Mugabe- Why is there no coalition against him?

[RAM]

I find this very hard to belive. Any ideas as to why there is not a coalition? I heard that Mugabe was running out of money so his cops and thugs might desert him when they stop getting paid!

[Unrelenting Steve]

As much as there werent free and fair elections, Mugabe does have the majority of the poeples support, as unbelievable as the BBC might make that seem, it is the truth. And Zimabawes neighbours arent affraid of Mugabe invading, there is then no threat of attack to use as an excuse for defiling Zimbabwes soverignty and dislodging this grotesque but legal ruler. If only the UN had more power and everyone signed into the ICC treaty. Would what has Mugabe done fall under whats in the ICC treaty? and is Zimbabwe in it?

[Dhul Fiqar]

I don't think Zimbabwe are members, but some charges could be cooked up quite easily under that system if it was widely supported (i.e. by the U.S.)

That is to say, it's not technically against the law to be a bad leader, but some of the actions of the security forces could possibly be traced back to the Zanu PF leadership.

--- G.

[Loknar]

Because people dont care enough. France supports the guy and that is not helping one bit, South Africa refuses to do anything even though their military can crush ZImbabwe (for historical reasons maybe it si beter that they didnt attack ZImbabwe). Futher more Mugabe doesnt want genetically modified food.

[Unrelenting Steve]

(Edited by Unrelenting Steve at 6:34 pm on June 17, 2003)

[Moskitto]

Mugabe lacks support in cities, he still has support in the countryside, most unions support the MDC.

[Totalitarian]

Because he's a Black guy persecuting Whites. If it was the other way around he probably would have had bombs dropped on his country by now.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The resistance is making short work of him . Plans for him to abandon the state have already been put into affect.

[Hampton]

Quote: from Totalitarian on 3:18 am on June 18, 2003
Because he's a Black guy persecuting Whites. If it was the other way around he probably would have had bombs dropped on his country by now.


Haha, yeahhhhh, there is a big conspiracy in the world to help blacks rule over whites.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Hampton on 4:44 am on June 18, 2003

Quote: from Totalitarian on 3:18 am on June 18, 2003
Because he's a Black guy persecuting Whites. If it was the other way around he probably would have had bombs dropped on his country by now.


Haha, yeahhhhh, there is a big conspiracy in the world to help blacks rule over whites.


I don't believe that, personally. You can if you want.

[Hampton]

Yes I do, all those stories of police brutality and racial profiling and espically that Diallo guy and Abner Louima are fabricated by the capitalist media.

[Moskitto]

I have heard people claim that you can only be racist against black people. As in, only against black people.

But I do know some rather stupid people

[RAM]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:13 am on June 18, 2003
I have heard people claim that you can only be racist against black people. As in, only against black people.

But I do know some rather stupid people

That is stupid!

[Totalitarian]

Blacks have a rather high crime rate in the US.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Blacks were over 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2000

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Totalitarian on 8:28 am on June 20, 2003
Blacks have a rather high crime rate in the US.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Blacks were over 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2000






Blacks were 6 times more likely than whites to be murdered in 2000


Your statistics from the DoJ really points to the fact that Blacks in the U$ live in much more desparate ways. Poor programs to support inner city families, poor chances of a good education and educational advancement, racism in the workplace etc. etc.

http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/africa...Article_ID=8835 (http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/african/Article_Detail.asp?Article_ID=8835)

If you take away the opportunity for advancement, and the chance at a better life (because of rasicm), then what's left? Crime is always the result of that desparation.

[Totalitarian]

A white person is statistically, under more threat from a black person than a fellow white because of their higher crime rate. So can all the "racism" really be blamed on the white?


It seems some amount of racial avoidance is a perfectly rational option for the caucasian...hence the "white flight" out of many cities. After all, they have a higher chance of getting beat up by blacks.

Is it reallly plausible to blame the extraordinary rate of black violence on the white man? There is after all, a wide array of pro-black discriminatory social programs run or paid for by the US government.





(Edited by Totalitarian at 2:10 pm on June 20, 2003)

[Hampton]

A white person is statistically, under more threat from a black person than a fellow white because of their higher crime rate. So can all the "racism" really be blamed on the white?

First off I don't know what that statement has to do with racism. Are you saying that there is no "racism"? Or is just not as bad as everyone makes it out to be and I was just being lied to. Just because they are more blacks in prison doesn’t mean they commit more crimes. Although studies such as the Health and Human Services National Household Survey show that the majority of people who use and sell drugs are white, African-Americans and Latinos comprise about 94% of the drug offenders in New York State prisons: African Americans,51.2%; Latinos, 42.5%; whites, 5.4%. Why because cops are racist, judges are racist and drug laws are racist.

It seems some amount of racial avoidance is a perfectly rational option for the caucasian...hence the "white flight" out of many cities. After all, they have a higher chance of getting beat up by blacks.

Sounds like someone's paranoid. I looked at the site and found this: Although slightly less true now than before,
most murders are interracial
From 1976 to 2000 --
86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks

From reading that, it seems that a white person should be on the lookout over his shoulder from his neighbor, which as you pointed out, would be a white guy. The majority of whites are killed by whites, even though blacks have a higher crime rate. The site even says in a nice little graph that for homicides committed by --

a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 1 in 10 is interracial
a stranger to the victim, 3 in 10 are interracial.

So 3 out of 10 would be what? A black guy killing a white guy because blacks are the murders right? Seems like you should pay more attention to your own race to look of someone who might kill you. If you want to look at stranger homicides by racial composition in 2000, white on white 780, black on white 328. It's not the black guy walking down the street I would be worried about. And the black on black was 663, 117 less that white on white, can't we all just get along?

Is it reallly plausible to blame the extraordinary rate of black violence on the white man? There is after all, a wide array of pro-black discriminatory social programs run or paid for by the US government.

How many of they actually work? Wow, so the government that keep us in chains for 400 years is tossing ME a bone and giving me some programs that are pro black, man I am lucky. Just to bad all those programs get cut when you gotta send billions on some useless war under the guise of protecting me. It isn’t Saddam I'm worried about, it's the cop who pulls me over or the judge who sentences me to 15 to life for selling 2 ounces or possessing 4 ounces of a narcotic substance.

Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for -- men (9%) than for women (1.1%)
-- blacks (16.2%) and Hispanics (9.4%) than for whites (2.5%)

Is that because blacks are so inclined to go around and kill each other and every white guy they see? No that's because circumstances in their poor lives cause they to make drastic mistakes at drastic times. Whites cause 56.8% of sex related crime, from your reasoning, watch out for the white guy, he's gonna rape you. I don't believe that. I'm sorry that the cop will let you off with a warning while he slams my head onto the hood of his car, whoops, then again, racism isn't that bad right?

(Edited by Hampton at 11:03 am on June 21, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

I retract my statement. I was talking about the leader of Liberia. Not Mugabe.

[Red Comrade]

I personally am "white" and I disagree with you totalitarian.

You know that all over Africa, whites persecute blacks? Ever here of APARTHEID?

The reason no one is doing anything against Mugabe is because the people of Zimbabwe love him. Anyway, kicking whites off the land of the blacks is not wrong in my opinion, since the whites are a minority, yet run practically all of the country because they are white. That is unfair. Although I don't agree with some of the killings.

(Edited by Red Comrade at 2:24 am on June 28, 2003)

[Totalitarian]

RedComrade:
"You know that all over Africa, whites persecute blacks? Ever here of APARTHEID?"


Apartheid's over, buddy. Where the whites persecuting Africans in Africa today?

[Unrelenting Steve]

Quote: from Red Comrade on 1:24 am on June 28, 2003
I personally am "white" and I disagree with you totalitarian.

You know that all over Africa, whites persecute blacks? Ever here of APARTHEID?

The reason no one is doing anything against Mugabe is because the people of Zimbabwe love him. Anyway, kicking whites off the land of the blacks is not wrong in my opinion, since the whites are a minority, yet run practically all of the country because they are white. That is unfair. Although I don't agree with some of the killings.

(Edited by Red Comrade at 2:24 am on June 28, 2003)


The poeple dont love him, 40% of the population hate him! And own party wants him out. And how can you say you only disagree with SOME of the killings. Yes I agree some affirmative action should and must be taken to rectify the situation of white farmers retaining all their immense land holdings from when Zimbabwe was Rhodesia, but that in no way justifies human rights violations. I wonder what Bush will try and impose on Mbeki when he comes over.