Modern-Day Pirates!

[PostAnarchy]

Arghhh




Somali pirates seize ninth vessel in 12 days

The battle with pirates operating off the coast of Somalia grew yesterday when raiders seized two more ships but lost one of their own in an uneven firefight with the Indian Navy. The International Maritime Bureau (IMB) described the situation yesterday as “out of control”.
The surge in hijackings came as Saudi Arabia confirmed that a ransom demand had been made for the freeing of the Sirius Star supertanker, seized at the weekend with her crew of 25 and a cargo of oil worth $100 million (£65 million).
Two more vessels – a Thai fishing boat with a crew of 16, and a bulk carrier, believed to be Greek, with an unknown number of people aboard – were seized by pirates in the Gulf of Aden yesterday, bringing the total to nine vessels in 12 days.
Late on Tuesday night the Indian frigate Tabar destroyed the raiders’ “mother ship” after coming under attack from pirates firing rocket-propelled grenades, the Indian Navy said. The confrontation was the first involving one of the vessels used by the pirates to extend their range. Shipping groups said that the loss of a vessel did not mean that the pirates’ activities would be curtailed. “The situation is already out of control,” said Noel Choong, head of the piracy reporting centre at the IMB in Kuala Lumpur. “With no strong deterrent, low risk to the pirates and high returns, the attacks will continue.”
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said yesterday that the Royal Navy was coordinating the European response to the supertanker’s seizure from its warship in the region, HMS Cumberland. Saudi Arabia has also pledged to join the international task force operating under a UN mandate, along with new pledges of ships from Sweden and South Korea.
Two British crewmen held hostage aboard theSirius Starwere named yesterday as chief engineer Peter French and second officer James Grady. Of the remaining crew, 19 are Filipino, 2 Polish, 1 Croatian and 1 Saudi.
The international furore over the hijack of the supertanker, the largest ship yet taken by pirates, may lead its captors to seek a swift resolution for fear of other intervention. However, the value of both vessel and cargo may also lead to drawn-out bargaining, as it has in the case of the Ukrainian arms ship seized in September. The Qatar-based Arabic TV channel al-Jazeera aired video yesterday of a purported middleman saying that negotiations had begun on board the tanker and on shore.
The Saudi Foreign Minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, said the ship’s owners, Vela International, had opened negotiations over a sum, although the company itself remained tight-lipped, citing the safety of the crew. The ship is moored off the Somali coast, close to the well-defended pirate haven of Eyl.
“I know that the owners of the tanker are negotiating on the issue,” the prince said. “We do not like to negotiate with either terrorists or hijackers, but the owners of the tankers are the final arbiters of what happens there.”
“We are going to join the task force that will try to eradicate this threat to international trade.”
The violence of the Indian confrontation on Tuesday night has raised alarm over the pirates’ growing audacity. An Indian Navy statement said the confrontation began when the Tabar approached the boat and spotted groups of men armed with rocket-propelled grenades and Kalashnikovs.
“The INS Tabar closed in on the mother vessel and asked her to stop for investigation,” the statement said. “But on repeated calls, the vessel’s threatening response was that she would blow up the naval warship if it approached.”
An exchange of fire ensued and the navy ship opened up with heavy guns. “From what we see in photographs the pirate vessel is completely destroyed,” a senior naval officer said.
British Royal Navy Commodore Keith Winstanley, deputy commander of the Combined Maritime Forces in the Middle East, said he feared no amount of coalition forces would be sufficient to secure the 2.5 million sq nautical miles of the Gulf of Aden, let alone the Indian Ocean waters where the supertanker was seized. “The pirates will go somewhere we are not,” he said. “If we patrol the Gulf of Aden then they will go to Mogadishu. If we go to Mogadishu, they will go to the Gulf of Aden.”

[JazzRemington]

Apparently Blackwater and other private security forces are trying to obtain contracts to deal with Somalian pirates.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I heard something about these pirates being mostly unemployed fishermen because the fishing industry in Somalia collapsed.

The fishing industry has been drying up in Alaska for some time, so who knows...if you see me on the news brandishing an AK47 and holding a Tahitian cruise ship hostage, don't be suprised.

[Bud Struggle]

I heard that the Pirates had a Anarcho-syndicalist organization and often quote Marx and Mao.

I also heard that they give all their booty to the poor and only rob only the rich. Oft times thet are heard singing the Internationale as they board captured vessels.

:rolleyes::lol:

[danyboy27]

still, the indian navy kicked their ass yesterday.

[PostAnarchy]

I heard that the Pirates had a Anarcho-syndicalist organization and often quote Marx and Mao.

I also heard that they give all their booty to the poor and only rob only the rich. Oft times thet are heard singing the Internationale as they board captured vessels.

:rolleyes::lol:


I heard they eat babies too

[Bud Struggle]

The fishing industry has been drying up in Alaska for some time, so who knows...if you see me on the news brandishing an AK47 and holding a Tahitian cruise ship hostage, don't be suprised.

A lot of the Alaskan fish problem is just like the fishing off the coast of Long Island--just bad practices for a LONG time. (not on your case, of course.)

You can't by fresh halibut or cod--all frozen and caught in a tinly little window. I fish myself (recreationally) and you have to protect the fishing grounds.

[Bud Struggle]

I heard they eat babies too

That's the Commie Club.

[PostAnarchy]

That's the Commie Club.

:lol::lol:

[freakazoid]

.if you see me on the news brandishing an AK47 and holding a Tahitian cruise ship hostage, don't be suprised.

:lol:

These pirates are rolling in the money.

Interesting thing is that during the "Golden Age" of piracy many pirates where very democratic, even voted for the ships captain. http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Pirates-Surprising-Caribbean-Brought/dp/0151013020 To quote from one of the comments;

Some fascinating tidbits related to this thesis: pirates shared their spoils relatively equally; rank-and-file pirates elected and deposed ships' captains; decisions were often made in what Woodard calls "open councils"; runaway slaves sometimes came aboard as pirates and were often treated as equals by their fellow pirates.

Also, a ninja could so kick a pirates ass, :D

[Os Cangaceiros]

A lot of the Alaskan fish problem is just like the fishing off the coast of Long Island--just bad practices for a LONG time. (not on your case, of course.)

You can't by fresh halibut or cod--all frozen and caught in a tinly little window. I fish myself (recreationally) and you have to protect the fishing grounds.

Eh. That's only true to a certain extent; the Bristol Bay and Kodiak Island districts are two of the most well managed fisheries in the world. Certain practices can be destructive in some cases (trawling, for example), but ultimately there's no shortage of fish here, and I don't see any shortage in the foreseeable future.

Most of why coastal communities are drying up and declining here is rationalization (specifically of the crab industry, but it's coming for salmon) coupled with the fact that processing companies have us in a stranglehold, along with the cost of living and fuel costs.

[Phalanx]

How long have you been at it? I've worked on a commercial boat out of Kenai (copper river dock) and the past two seasons have been really shitty. Fuel costs and competition with farmed salmon seemed to be the biggest problem.

[Os Cangaceiros]

How long have you been at it? I've worked on a commercial boat out of Kenai (copper river dock) and the past two seasons have been really shitty. Fuel costs and competition with farmed salmon seemed to be the biggest problem.

My whole life, basically. :lol: I'm a seventh generation fisherman.

I used to think that farmed salmon would be our downfall (especially back in 2002, when sockeye prices were around fifty cents a pound :rolleyes:), but I think that there has been a significant backlash against it, and the "Wild Salmon" label is something that a significant amount of consumers want, and recognize as a quality product. That's Pacific Seafoods' (my processing company) deal, anyway; they sell the wild brand through Costco and other stores.

[Jazzratt]

Apparently Blackwater and other private security forces are trying to obtain contracts to deal with Somalian pirates.

I heard this. It's worrying. A bunch of ruthless mercenary bastards versus a bunch of ruthless pirate bastards with innocent people doing a days work getting caught in the crossfire. On balance, considering the individuals employed by Blackwater, I feel sorry for pirate bastards.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Well the large increase in piracy is an effect of corporate wankers taking all the fish.

[Killfacer]

I think now is a good time for the pirates to leg it. Carry on any longer and they're fucked.

[PostAnarchy]

Yes I agree that this recent increase in piracy is a net reaction to corporatist policies and increasing monopolization.

[RGacky3]

Yes I agree that this recent increase in piracy is a net reaction to corporatist policies and increasing monopolization.


No its not, its a net reaction to the amount of money they can make, you think pirates care who they rob from?

[danyboy27]

its interresting to see how somalia is doing without a governement.
with all that time you could think people would go help eachother and form a peaceful community.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Drace]

Some fascinating tidbits related to this thesis: pirates shared their spoils relatively equally; rank-and-file pirates elected and deposed ships' captains; decisions were often made in what Woodard calls "open councils"; runaway slaves sometimes came aboard as pirates and were often treated as equals by their fellow pirates.

You know...pirates would look good in red.

[Mr. Conservative]

its interresting to see how somalia is doing without a governement.
with all that time you could think people would go help eachother and form a peaceful community.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

A lot of the country is controlled by the Islamic Courts, actually.

[wigsa]

Anyone who even attempts to defend the actions of these terrorist,robbing bastards is crazy,and not crazy as in hardcore,crazy as in there is something seriously wrong with you.

Pirates are not hijacking ships because they feel they have no other alternative due to the evils of capitalism in their world today:rolleyes:

They do so because it's easy,it's almost risk free for them,and they're good at it.Get the fuck over it.They are terrorists and deserved to be locked the fuck up.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Risk free?

Theres a good chance of you getting killed and many die of sickness on the way to a ship.

[wigsa]

Risk free?

Theres a good chance of you getting killed and many die of sickness on the way to a ship.


Eh,diseases like skurvy aren't really that common anymore I'm afraid...

And regarding the risk factor,I've read a number of articles on various news websites lately which stated that it is virtually risk free,as people are so willing to pay ransom for the cargo that is being kept on board.These pirates don't just randomly hijack ships,they're smart people.They know exactly what they're doing and it tends to be a fairly straightforward operation from their point of view.Why do you think it's happening so much?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I think the people killed by the indain navy disagree about it been risk free.

Also the gaurdain talks to a pirate who talks about sickness.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Anyone who even attempts to defend the actions of these terrorist,robbing bastards is crazy,and not crazy as in hardcore,crazy as in there is something seriously wrong with you.

How are they terrorists? They're doing it for the money, not as some kind of political statement. Also, killing their hostages would not exactly endear them to whatever country the victim happens to be a national of. And besides, nobody'll pay you for a corpse. The pirates are better off taking their prisoners alive and they know it.


Pirates are not hijacking ships because they feel they have no other alternative due to the evils of capitalism in their world today:rolleyes:

They obviously find it easier than whatever they were doing before. Also, the various companies and whatnot seem willing to pay money rather than risk damaging their ship/cargo or killing/injuring the hostages through aggressive rescue.


They do so because it's easy,it's almost risk free for them,and they're good at it.Get the fuck over it.They are terrorists and deserved to be locked the fuck up.

Again, if they're doing it for the money, how can they be terrorists? Not everyone who engages in organised criminal activities is a terrorist, you know. Despite what the chickenhawks tell you.

The only real losers in this situation are the companies paying out the ransom, so cry me a fucking river.

[wigsa]

They obviously find it easier than whatever they were doing before.

I apologise,I was using terrorists in the wrong context.I mean to say terrorising,robbing bastards,but anyway...

So what if it's easier?It'd be easier for my dad(a business owner)to go out and rob banks instead of working 14 hours a day,7 days a fucking week.Does that mean it'd be acceptable if he did it?Of course not.You can't justify people breaking the law and terrorising people because the end result is it's easier for them to make money.If that was the attitude of the masses,there'd be even mroe murders and robbery in countries like Ireland,where the rates are high enough,than there is at the moment.It'd be common place.

People need to realise that any society cannot exist without order,and those who break the law,particularly in the way these pirates are doing,are not in the right.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

So what if it's easier?It'd be easier for my dad(a business owner)to go out and rob banks instead of working 14 hours a day,7 days a fucking week.Does that mean it'd be acceptable if he did it?Of course not.

Yes it would. I really dont give a toss about the banks.


You can't justify people breaking the law and terrorising people because the end result is it's easier for them to make money.

You aplogise for calling them terrorists yet bring it up again.Also the law can be used to justify jack shit.


If that was the attitude of the masses,there'd be even mroe murders and robbery in countries like Ireland,where the rates are high enough,than there is at the moment.It'd be common place.

It was high in Ireland due to the political conflicts of various armed groups.



People need to realise that any society cannot exist without order,and those who break the law,particularly in the way these pirates are doing,are not in the right.

Sorry this is a revolutionary forum

"they break the law" does not make them wrong.

[wigsa]

It was high in Ireland due to the political conflicts of various armed groups.


That's bullshit.I'm talking about the republic of ireland,where I live.90% of the murders in the republic are gang/drug related.I couldn't tell you the last time there's been a political murder in the republic,that's how long ago it was.



Sorry this is a revolutionary forum

"they break the law" does not make them wrong.

That's fair enough.But I do take issue to people justifying these pirates,who kidnap the crews of these ships(working people like those on this forum) and hold their lives and the cargo of the ships at ransom.

[danyboy27]

A lot of the country is controlled by the Islamic Courts, actually.

now they are controlling, its not been like that for 18 year in a row tho.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

That's bullshit.I'm talking about the republic of ireland,where I live.90% of the murders in the republic are gang/drug related.I couldn't tell you the last time there's been a political murder in the republic,that's how long ago it was.

Well soz about presumeing your were talking about the northern Ireland "troubles".

But

the pirates arnt starting gang wars are they?






That's fair enough.But I do take issue to people justifying these pirates,who kidnap the crews of these ships(working people like those on this forum) and hold their lives and the cargo of the ships at ransom.

They keep the crew alive and safe because its better publicity and because a alive crew is worth more.Anyways its not like the cargo belongs to the crew. Its not like their floating fucking collectives.

[Robespierre2.0]

We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.

We extort, we pilfer, we filch and sack.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!
Maraud and embezzle and even hijack.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.

We kindle and char, inflame and ignite.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!
We burn up the city, we're really a fright.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.

We're rascals, scoundrels, villans and knaves.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!
We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs!
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.

We're beggars and blighters and ne'er-do-well cads.
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!
Aye! But we're loved by our mommies and dads!
Drink up me 'earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate's life for me.

[wigsa]

Anyways its not like the cargo belongs to the crew. Its not like their floating fucking collectives.

Haha fair enough.

[RGacky3]

now they are controlling, its not been like that for 18 year in a row tho.

Them and warlords, saying they have no government only means they have no FORMAL government, which is meaningless, because we are not formally at war either :P.

[Bud Struggle]

Them and warlords, saying they have no government only means they have no FORMAL government, which is meaningless, because we are not formally at war either :P.

So you're saying ANARCHISM here, aren't you?:)

[Jazzratt]

So what if it's easier?It'd be easier for my dad(a business owner)to go out and rob banks instead of working 14 hours a day,7 days a fucking week.

No it wouldn't. Robbing banks is one of those things that is notoriously fucking difficult, especially when compared to stealing from workers (owning a business).


You can't justify people breaking the law and terrorising people because the end result is it's easier for them to make money.

Yes you can. When crime becomes easier than working it's because shit is messed up. People are turning to piracy because they're completely fucked otherwise. The fishermen can't fish, the whole place is a chaotic mess. It's not like they can go on welfare until they find a job or something.


People need to realise that any society cannot exist without order,and those who break the law,particularly in the way these pirates are doing,are not in the right.

It's not that they're "in the right" for fuck's sake. Try to think in something other than monochrome for fifteen seconds. Showing that it is understandable and not outright evil for some Somalians to engage in piracy is just being honest.

[hajduk]

i ask myself what will hapened when those pirates get idea to kidnaped touristic cruisers:huh:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

i ask myself what will hapened when those pirates get idea to kidnaped touristic cruisers:huh:

I don't imagine there are many cruise ships operating off the Somali coast.

[hajduk]

I don't imagine there are many cruise ships operating off the Somali coast.well you dont know where those pirates can make an ambush

[Sendo]

reminds me of generic history books (Sold in series) I read in grade school libraries that mentioned pirates throughout the Indian Ocean with no explanation for why there were pirates (free trade, corporate takeover of fishing areas for fishing and for tourism). The only explanation that could form was "maybe people in that part of the world.....something something...I don't know".

The same thing repeats. We are perpetually in Year Zero, turn on any TV and it's the same: 3rd world, especially colored and non-Christian pirates, are a simple fact of life.

[Bud Struggle]

colored

:);):lol:

[Anarchist Freedom]

especially when compared to stealing from workers (owning a business).


jazzratt your out of your mind. So what your saying is that any common man who starts a business is nothing more then an everyday thief. I'm actually kind of appalled. Sure large corporations rape and pillage, but you cant mean to tell me that my family who just opened a business, Just a year ago we've opened and you mean to tell me we are thieves? Your head is so far up your ass you'll never understand the amount of pressure on someone who owns a business. 50 to 60 hour weeks full of bullshit. ohh its just peaches n fuckin creme when you own a business. Cut Your hair get a job:rolleyes:

[synthesis]

So you're saying ANARCHISM here, aren't you?:)

The farthest thing from it.

When someone says there is "no government" in places like Somalia and the Afghanistan of the 90's, they mean that there is no universally recognized government that holds sway over the entirety of the country.

What this translates to in practice is not the absence of a state (anarchism) but rather the conflicted co-existence of multiple state-like entities with opposing doctrines and/or objectives.

This makes our hypothetical anarchist's job that much harder, for reasons that should be very obvious.

[Annie K.]

I don't imagine there are many cruise ships operating off the Somali coast.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ponant

[Qwerty Dvorak]

A lot of the country is controlled by the Islamic Courts, actually.

In 2006 piracy all but disappeared when a group known as the Islamic Courts Union controlled most of southern and central Somalia for six months, bringing in law and order for the first time since the early 90s.

But after the Islamists were ousted by invading Ethiopian forces piracy began to flourish once more. The Transitional Federal government headed by President Abdullahi Yusuf exercises no authority on the ground or at sea and claims, with some justification, that it can do little to rein in the pirates.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/19/somalia-pirates

[Killfacer]

jazzratt your out of your mind. So what your saying is that any common man who starts a business is nothing more then an everyday thief. I'm actually kind of appalled. Sure large corporations rape and pillage, but you cant mean to tell me that my family who just opened a business, Just a year ago we've opened and you mean to tell me we are thieves? Your head is so far up your ass you'll never understand the amount of pressure on someone who owns a business. 50 to 60 hour weeks full of bullshit. ohh its just peaches n fuckin creme when you own a business. Cut Your hair get a job:rolleyes:


If you hate owning a business so much, then why do you own one? Just get a normal job like me and be part of the wonderful walmart corperation.

[danyboy27]

If you hate owning a business so much, then why do you own one? Just get a normal job like me and be part of the wonderful walmart corperation.


LOLLLLLL i love the last line you wrote.

small folks starting buisness usually do that in order to feed their families and give education to their child, not necessarly to be rich or anything.Sometimes they are doibng it beccause they love it, but even if you like cooking so much, after 12 hour of making steak you get pissed.

i might start something one day, but so far, i dont quite know what, and i am not sure to be ready to gave away my leazure time to work yet.

i love working, but seriously, i love watching tv and do other stuff too.

[Jazzratt]

jazzratt your out of your mind. So what your saying is that any common man who starts a business is nothing more then an everyday thief.

Pretty much. Anyone that hires a worker and pays them less than the full value of their work (i.e turns a profit off their labour) is stealing from them.


Sure large corporations rape and pillage, but you cant mean to tell me that my family who just opened a business, Just a year ago we've opened and you mean to tell me we are thieves?

'fraid so.


Your head is so far up your ass you'll never understand the amount of pressure on someone who owns a business. 50 to 60 hour weeks full of bullshit. ohh its just peaches n fuckin creme when you own a business.

I said it was theft. I didn't say it was easy. The mob have to work pretty goddamn hard too, it doesn't stop them being criminal bastards does it?


Cut Your hair

No. I like my hair.


get a job:rolleyes:

Got one, thanks.