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ev
20th November 2008, 11:36
For those of you who don't know a new party is being formed called the Australian Sex Party, there is information regarding them on their site http://www.sexparty.org.au/ and news articles below, what are your thoughts about this?

Oz sex trade to spank parliamentary prudes

By John Ozimek (http://forms.theregister.co.uk/mail_author/?story_url=/2008/11/19/new_oz_party/)

Posted in Government (http://www.theregister.co.uk/public_sector/government/), 19th November 2008 12:13 GMT
Australians are having a Sex Party (http://www.sexparty.org.au/) – and before you all start sniggering at the back, this time they could be serious. Because depending on your point of view, this is either a cynical use of politics by an industry worried about its bottom line or the beginning of a fightback against government that has lost touch with ordinary voters.
From afar, Australia can seem to be a very repressed society. Over the last few years, headline-catching stories have included (http://blogs.theage.com.au/screenplay/archives/010998.html) the government’s refusal to countenance an equivalent of the UK R-18 certificate for games, a host of niggling rules about art and porn and, most recently, the proposal for mandatory filtering (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/05/aussie_internet/) of all internet content and the blocking of any material considered to be "unsuitable".
The odd thing, according to Fiona Patten, CEO of the Eros Association (http://www.eros.org.au/) and Convenor of the Australian Sex Party is that Australians have never been more comfortable with their sexuality – or happier to pursue a policy of live and let live.
Talking to The Register, she said: "It is as though the politicians inhabit a parallel universe. Individual Australians are pretty laid back about sex. Research shows at least a quarter of adult Australians regularly purchase pornographic material. Yet the main interest of government appears to be in interfering with people’s lives.
"The real problem is that in many of our legislatures, both state and national, government is dependent on the vote of one or two independents – and over the last few years, the independents who have been getting elected have been increasingly reactionary and religious."
As an example, she named Steve Fielding (http://www.stevefielding.com.au/html/bio.htm), a right-wing Christian senator, elected under the Family First banner. Fiona Patten added: "He holds the balance of power and government is continually trying to keep him happy. They do this by sacrificing sex and gender issues: if it were not for senator Fielding, the government would not care less about building some grandiose internet firewall."
There probably is some self-interest involved. The Eros Association has been lobbying on issues of sexuality over the last couple of decades: it now appears to have taken the view that more can be achieved from within parliament. On Thursday, the Australian Sex Party will be launched officially at the annual Sexpo (http://www.sexpo.com.au/) exhibition in Melbourne, where it expects to gain the 500 members required to register and contest state Upper House and Senate seats.
Is a party based on sex a serious proposition? Mainstream politicians will suggest that it is not. However, as the party’s website suggests, there are a wealth of issues that fall under their banner, and many of these are likely to resonate with the Australian public.
These include not just the obvious questions around censorship and pornography, but also a range of economic and social welfare issues as well. Further details will be available when their manifesto is published on Thursday.
There are parallels here with Ilona Staller, better known outside Italy as porn star "la Cicciolina", who was elected as a Radical Member of the Italian Parliament in 1987. Subsequently she set up and failed to win a seat for il Partito del’Amore, whose programme included legalisation of brothels and better sex education in schools.
The nearest equivalent to the Sex Party in the UK to date has been the Corrective Party, set up by "Miss Whiplash", Lindi St Clair, although that might be better described as a one-woman protest against perceived government hypocrisy. More obvious parallels are to be found in organisations such as Consenting Adult Action Network (http://www.caan.org.uk/) which is seeking to create a national coalition around issues which mainstream politicians are too embarrassed to tackle.
Or as one MP, who prefers to remain nameless, divulged to us recently: "There really is nothing I would object to in their principles. But when it comes to this sort of issue, those who are worried about keeping their jobs have always to think about what the Daily Mail reaction would be.
"That is why a great deal more serious debate on sex and sexual issues takes place in the Lords."
One advantage that the Sex Party has over any similar UK initiative is that Australian Senate elections take place under a proportional representation system of voting. A candidate for the Sex Party would need just 300,000 votes to be elected, and they already have a ready-made campaigning network in place, in the form of 1,000 sex shops nationwide and four million customers.
A number of Australian newspapers are regarding the future fortunes of the Sex Party as being an effective referendum on the government’s proposals on internet censorship. Whether it will have any usefulness beyond that single issue remains to be seen.


Australian Christian Lobby says Sex Party 'supports exploitation of women'




November 20, 2008

Article from: Australian Associated Press (http://aap.com.au/)
THE nation's newest political party has come under fire from Christian groups even before its official launch.
The Australian Sex Party supports the exploitation and degradation of women through pornography and prostitution, the groups say.

The Australian Christian Lobby wants all other political parties to preference the party last on how-to-vote cards to prevent it taking seats in state and federal parliaments

"Pauline Hanson was rightly put last on how-to-vote cards because of her inappropriate views on race," lobby director Jim Wallace said.

"The Australian Sex Party should be treated in the same way for its inappropriate views about women.''

The party will launch itself at the national Sexpo event in Melbourne today.

The party's platform includes opposition to the national internet filter, supporting gay marriage and adoption of a national sex education curriculum.

Party convenor Fiona Patten says the party acknowledges the importance and scope of sexual issues in the lives of Australians.

"I doubt we can be all things to all people,'' she told ABC Television.

Sexuality and gender were important issues not being dealt with properly, she said.


What are your thoughts on this?

ÑóẊîöʼn
20th November 2008, 12:57
The Christian Lobby has some damn nerve to talk about the exploitation of women!

Catbus
20th November 2008, 13:13
So what's the deal with an Austrailian firewall? Are they seriously going to stop you from watching porn because it's "degrading?"

Rascolnikova
20th November 2008, 15:47
The Christian Lobby has some damn nerve to talk about the exploitation of women!

Do they?

Is there something I don't know about the Christian lobby? Australian politics aren't my forte. .


Most porn and most prostitution--as far as I can tell--is not "degrading," but, in fact, Degrading, to women. I'm certainly not against the free choice to engage in these activities--but until the vast gender inequality in society at large has been addressed, the fact that they exist as an exploitative industry is a very reasonable thing to complain about, even if assholes are doing the complaining.

Catbus
21st November 2008, 01:09
Most porn and most prostitution--as far as I can tell--is not "degrading," but, in fact, Degrading, to women. I'm certainly not against the free choice to engage in these activities--but until the vast gender inequality in society at large has been addressed, the fact that they exist as an exploitative industry is a very reasonable thing to complain about, even if assholes are doing the complaining.

I don't know much about the porn industry, so I guess I can't really say whether it's degrading or not, though I would think it would be a stretch to say that the entire industry is degrading (and I wasn't addressing prostitution at all). But the main reason I quoted degrading was because the Christian lobby aren't complaining because they find it degrading towards women, it's because they're socially conservative and want society to be socially conservative as well.

PostAnarchy
21st November 2008, 01:34
The Christian Lobby has some damn nerve to talk about the exploitation of women!

:lol::lol: nice

Rascolnikova
21st November 2008, 08:27
But the main reason I quoted degrading was because the Christian lobby aren't complaining because they find it degrading towards women, it's because they're socially conservative and want society to be socially conservative as well.

I don't know why you think people choose to be conservative. I am sure that if I asked any of my conservative (described by our local factory owner in OI as fundamentalist) friends and family why they are against porn, they would tell me that they find it degrading to women.

Similarly, if you ask them why they want society to be socially conservative, they won't say it's because they want everyone to be like them; they'll say the same thing a communist would say when asked why they want society at to be communist--it's because they think it's better for people over all.

chebol
21st November 2008, 09:03
View from Australia:

Waste of fecking time, up there with "What Women Want", "Climate Change Coalition", "Permaculture People's Party", "Fishers' Party", etc. Another distraction, and another excuse for people to waste their vote and to avoid politics entirely...

Bilan
21st November 2008, 10:54
This is not-news. it's just tripe.
There are ridiculous minority parties all over the place.

Catbus
21st November 2008, 12:52
Similarly, if you ask them why they want society to be socially conservative, they won't say it's because they want everyone to be like them; they'll say the same thing a communist would say when asked why they want society at to be communist--it's because they think it's better for people over all.


Yeah, I guess it really is the same thing, kind of.

Rascolnikova
24th November 2008, 04:13
Yeah, I guess it really is the same thing, kind of.

You guess what exactly is the same thing?

Revy
24th November 2008, 04:29
Single-issue parties like this exist everywhere, for example, there is an animal rights party in the Netherlands called the Party for the Animals which actually has seats in Parliament. Somehow I don't see them becoming a majority party :D. I happen to be a vegan, but I think the idea for a party is silly...

We have a few unusual parties in the state of Florida in the USA, like the British Reformed Sectarian Party, the Real Food Party, and the Surfers Party. They don't run any candidates though, because they're so small.

Rascolnikova
24th November 2008, 04:48
When I first started realizing I was a socialist, I thought it would be awesome to start The Christmas Party--organized dually around class war and environmentalism. :)

Herman
24th November 2008, 09:51
Do they?

The point is that Christians, or people adhering to a Christian party (thus agreeing with Christian ideological beliefs), are in no position to dictate what's "exploitative" to women, since the whole history of christianity has been about repressing women in every known way.

Rascolnikova
24th November 2008, 10:43
The point is that Christians, or people adhering to a Christian party (thus agreeing with Christian ideological beliefs), are in no position to dictate what's "exploitative" to women, since the whole history of christianity has been about repressing women in every known way.


Hardly.

Before Paul of Tarsus came along women held major leadership roles in Christianity; this, along with strong implications of cannibalism and political radicalism, was a main reason Christianity was so disruptive to the ancient world. Perhaps you've heard of the central ritual of Christianity, usually called Eucharist or communion. Since it is based upon a meal, and, in the early church, often was a meal, authority over it often was passed to the people who had dominion over meals. . . namely, in the tradition of the Greeks, women.

By some accounts, it took Paul (or rather, the movement he so forcefully started) nearly three hundred years to destroy this pesky habit--part of a crusade to standardize Christianity and make it more palatable to the culture that surrounded it.

Even if we leave this aside, the repression and exploitation of women that Christianity took over when it became a dominant belief had already been around for quite a long time, and Christianity was, arguably, not nearly the most brutal expression of it. While some pre-Christian belief/social systems were relatively egalitarian, most of the largest ones--like the Romans--do not compare exceptionally well. For example, Christian convents became many different things, not all of them even slightly good. However, at their best they seem to have offered women the finest education that had been available to them anywhere in the world up to that time, with the exception of an privileged handful in ancient Greece and possibly those who took (native) religious orders in South America or Egypt. Compare this, not only to Rome's education system, but to it's disproportionately small female population due to infanticide and childhood neglect (not an issue in dark age Christianity, as far as I'm aware.)

Am I saying Christianity doesn't oppress women? Absolutely not--nor am I saying this is anything like a complete analysis. I am only suggesting you might consider learning something about the history of the religion most practiced by the proletariat of the western hemisphere, before continuing to make unqualified blanket statements about it.


Also-


(this) is a very reasonable thing to complain about, even if assholes are doing the complaining.

Catbus
24th November 2008, 13:07
You guess what exactly is the same thing?

Actually I take that back. Originally I thought that them wanting a christian society and me wanting an anarchist society was essentially the same, both of us wanting changes in society. But my idea of what society should be and theirs are so radically different I don't think that you can equate both of us wanting change to being the same thing.