View Full Version : Landfill -- The case of the Stinky Diaper
Octobox
20th November 2008, 02:06
Many of you have probably read articles on how baby diapers are clogging up the landfills and destorying the ecosystem. Ignoring the logical fallacies, let's say that at the very least having plastic and poop buried forever underground just doesn't sound wholesome. Who's to blame?
How would a "true" Communist Country deal with the problem?
--- Who innovates the solutions?
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
--- Labor, how do you get them involved?
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
How would a "true" Free-Market Society deal with the problem?
--- Who innovates the solutions?
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
Two different countries one True Communist Society and one True Free-Market Society. By "true" I'm assuming "voluntary" and non-coercive. Both come to the realization of an identical problem (ceteris peribus).
Who solves the problem in the most ecologically, efficient, sound, and expedient manner?
RGacky3
20th November 2008, 20:10
--- Who innovates the solutions?
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
--- Labor, how do you get them involved?
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
Democratically, if enough people see it as a problem, people will collectively decide to do something about it. The motivation would be the motivation for anyone to do anything, in a communist society things are not "planned" for you, you can do waht you want, if it effects someone else drastically its done democratically, if a community or 2 sees these landfills as a problem, they'll get something done about it.
THey would probably assign experts in that field to deal with it, and then those poeple would figure out a solution.
apathy maybe
20th November 2008, 21:47
Ignoring the logical fallacy in talking about countries, I'll pretend you said "geographical area" or similar.
How would a "true" Communist Country deal with the problem?
--- Who innovates the solutions?
Scientists and thinkers working on the problem.
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
No capital, no ownership, no "buying". The society in the geographical area would presumably come the conclusion that something needed to be done, and would democratically decide (based on advice from scientists and other people with experience in the area) what to do.
--- Labor, how do you get them involved?
Say, hey folks, we need ten folks to do X, anyone want to help?
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
I'm talking about an anarchist communist system, of course there is voluntarism. I would suggest that it is plausible to have a non-anarchist communist system which could involve some coercion, but I do not personally think such systems are desirable. Under an anarchist communist system I would reject that "everything is planned for you". That's absurd.
How would a "true" Free-Market Society deal with the problem?
Quick couple of questions, is unlimited ownership of resources (including land) allowed in this "true" free market system? Is selling one's self into slavery possible?
I would suggest that if the answer to either of these questions is "yes", then a "true" free market system is not desirable. If the answer is no (and assuming a couple of other questions are similarly answered), then sure, why not if people want to go ahead. (Other people will disagree, but I'm a volunteerist, you do what you want.)
--- Who innovates the solutions?
The same answer.
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
Assuming an anarchist free market (use defines ownership) there is no capital.
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
I fail to see the reason for this question being duplicated.
Two different countries one True Communist Society and one True Free-Market Society. By "true" I'm assuming "voluntary" and non-coercive. Both come to the realization of an identical problem (ceteris peribus).
Who solves the problem in the most ecologically, efficient, sound, and expedient manner?
The one that involves the community the most.
Ele'ill
21st November 2008, 03:19
Many of you have probably read articles on how baby diapers are clogging up the landfills and destorying the ecosystem. Ignoring the logical fallacies, let's say that at the very least having plastic and poop buried forever underground just doesn't sound wholesome. Who's to blame?
How would a "true" Communist Country deal with the problem?
--- Who innovates the solutions?
Groups of mysterious and often bearded men and women in smokey run down industrial buldings. Also, everything is in black and white.
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
Not applicable. All done through the highly successful raising of the hand volunteerism method. Anyone that calls out gets immediately restricted to an opposing ideology housing district where they live normally.
--- Labor, how do you get them involved?
Several groups with specialized tasks work together to complete the mission (and win the game).
--- Does Communism require perfect voluntarism -- where is the motive to innovate or create "change" if everything is planned for you?
The same way entrepreneurialism (lol) works with capitalism.
How would a "true" Free-Market Society deal with the problem?
--- Who innovates the solutions?
A group of undemocratically elected white men meet anually on a barge off the coast of New Zealand.
--- Who buys/owns the capital to make it happen?
Impoverished natives and the land they once used to survive on as a thriving community now displaced by Nike and Gap and forced into shanty towns to work fervently toward their own eradication from the gene pool.
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