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spartan
18th November 2008, 23:48
Russia (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/russia)'s deepening strategic partnership with Venezuela (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/venezuela) took a dramatic step forward today when it emerged that Moscow has agreed to build Venezuela's first ever nuclear reactor.

President Dmitry Medvedev is expected to sign a nuclear cooperation agreement with his Venezuelan counterpart, Hugo Chávez (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/hugo-chavez), during a visit to Latin America next week, part of a determined Russian push into the region.

The reactor is to be named after Humberto Fernandez Moran, a late Venezuelan research scientist and former science minister, Chávez has announced. It is one of many accords he hopes to sign while hosting Medvedev in Caracas next week.

The prospect of a nuclear deal between Moscow and Caracas, following a surge in Russian economic, military, political and intelligence activity in Latin America, is likely to alarm the US and present an early challenge to the Obama administration (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/obama-white-house).

"Hugo Chávez joins the nuclear club," Russian's Vedomosti newspaper trumpeted today.

Venezuela's socialist leader said the reactor may be based in the eastern state of Zulia. He stressed that the project would be for peaceful purposes. As if to underline that point, four Japanese survivors from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs visited Venezuela this week at the government's invitation.

The energy ministry, which is scouting locations, said the project was at a very early stage. A report which mooted a nuclear reactor long before Chávez came to power has been dusted off.

Despite abundant oil reserves, Venezuela's energy infrastructure is creaking and prone to blackouts. A nuclear reactor would enable the country to utilise its rich uranium deposits and allay criticism that the government has neglected energy investment.

More importantly for Moscow and Caracas, a nuclear deal will showcase a partnership which advocates creating new "poles" of power to check American hegemony.

Nick Day, a Latin American specialist, said the nuclear deal was deliberately timed to pile pressure on the US administration during a moment of transition and weakness.

"Russia is manoeuvring hard in the time between Obama's election and his inauguration. What the Russians are trying to do is to set up a chessboard that gives them greater mobility in negotiations when he [Obama] comes to power," Day said.

He added: "Russia's message is: 'We can exert influence in your backyard if you continue to exert influence in our backyard. If you don't take your missiles out of Poland and end Nato expansion we're going to increase our influence in Latin America and do things to provoke you.'"

According to Sergei Novikov, spokesman for Russia's federal nuclear agency, no reactor can be built until both countries have signed a preliminary agreement on nuclear cooperation. This will be signed next week, Novikov told Vedomosti.

Both presidents are also expected to firm up details of a Russian-Venezuelan energy consortium to jointly produce and sell oil and gas.

Russian companies which are already exploring oilfields in Venezuela could then extend their reach to fields in Ecuador and Bolivia.

Venezuela has bought $4bn of Russian arms, including Sukhoi fighter jets, making it one of Moscow's best clients. Chávez has spoken of also buying Project 636 diesel submarines, Mi-28 combat helicopters, T72 tanks and air-defence systems.

Despite the spending spree, Venezuela's military has not tipped the regional balance of power.

Chávez's armed forces lag behind that of Brazil, Chile and Colombia and analysts question Venezuelan effectiveness.

For Russia's president, however, Caracas is a valuable springboard into Latin America. In addition to Venezuela, Medvedev will visit Peru, Brazil and Cuba — the first trip by a Russian leader to Havana in eight years.

Moscow has spoken of reviving Soviet-era intelligence cooperation with the communist island and in a sign of dramatically improved ties, President Raul Castro last month attended the opening of a Russian Orthodox cathedral in Havana.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/18/medvedev-chavez-nuclear-russia-venezuela

Holden Caulfield
18th November 2008, 23:52
new cold war? you go into Georgia, we go into Venezuela

Revy
19th November 2008, 00:12
I would say, new World War, of course I believe it would be instigated by the U.S. against Russia. Russia is naturally seeking allies to help protect it. Biden said during the Convention that the new presidency would oppose the emergence of China, Russia, and India as superpowers. Obama has said on numerous occasions he would "prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons" and "curb Russian aggression". All this rhetoric makes me believe that the US ruling class is preparing for a world war, not a Cold War, and so there is so much more at stake.

Dr. Rosenpenis
19th November 2008, 00:19
Obama's aggressive stance in relation to Russia will hopefully put to rest the claims that he's not bellicose, interventionist and imperialist like his predecessor.

Yehuda Stern
19th November 2008, 07:02
Revolutionaries should support this move. Although we are of course hostile to the Chavez regime, the last few years have shown that having nuclear weapons is the best guarantee for a third world country that it would not be invaded by an imperialist country.

Holden Caulfield
19th November 2008, 18:01
Revolutionaries should support this move. Although we are of course hostile to the Chavez regime, the last few years have shown that having nuclear weapons is the best guarantee for a third world country that it would not be invaded by an imperialist country.

i agree, it goes against what i stand for; i support unilateral nuclear disarmament, but to not have nuclear weapons seems like free ticket to be a victim of direct imperialism.

mykittyhasaboner
19th November 2008, 20:13
Revolutionaries should support this move. Although we are of course hostile to the Chavez regime, the last few years have shown that having nuclear weapons is the best guarantee for a third world country that it would not be invaded by an imperialist country.

How has this been proven? Perhaps a country attaining nuclear weapons (especially a country who's government is hostile towards the US) might actually render an imperialist military intervention as a viable option? I mean, this was the case (supposedly) with Iraq, where there were claims of "WMD's". Maybe your right, in the sense that any imperialist state would have to think twice about invading a country armed with nukes, but it seems like Venezuela would just be asking for trouble if they recieved them.

Yehuda Stern
19th November 2008, 20:30
But Iraq just proves what I'm saying - the American imperialists knew very well that Iraq had no nuclear weapons, and therefore felt free to attack. However, when North Korea proved that it had nuclear weapons, the imperialists suddenly started adopting a much more moderate attitude towards it.

mykittyhasaboner
19th November 2008, 20:39
But Iraq just proves what I'm saying - the American imperialists knew very well that Iraq had no nuclear weapons, and therefore felt free to attack. However, when North Korea proved that it had nuclear weapons, the imperialists suddenly started adopting a much more moderate attitude towards it.

Hmm, it seems you are correct.

bcbm
19th November 2008, 21:21
I suppose somebody should point out that this is a nuclear reactor they're talking about, not a nuclear bomb. :rolleyes:

The Douche
19th November 2008, 21:45
I suppose somebody should point out that this is a nuclear reactor they're talking about, not a nuclear bomb. :rolleyes:

Nuclear programs are overlapping. Iran isn't trying to devlop a bomb either, just nuclear power...

Coggeh
19th November 2008, 21:45
Why is chavez so friendly with an imperialist capitalist crony nation ? ...... its fucking messed up for lack of a better description...

Revy
19th November 2008, 23:22
Why is chavez so friendly with an imperialist capitalist crony nation ? ...... its fucking messed up for lack of a better description...

Because they both have a common interest, defending themselves against the U.S. Russia feels threatened as does Venezuela. Russia is the stronger nation, so Venezuela of course would be very interested in having its protection. If Iraq had Russia behind it, it would not have been so easy to invade.

Yehuda Stern
19th November 2008, 23:27
Because Chavez is a bourgeois populist, and would have no qualms about cooperating with the US if it were more friendly towards him either.

PostAnarchy
19th November 2008, 23:29
Revolutionaries should support this move. Although we are of course hostile to the Chavez regime,country.

You are hopelessly sectarian and WRONG! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

bcbm
20th November 2008, 01:32
Nuclear programs are overlapping. Iran isn't trying to devlop a bomb either, just nuclear power...

Not entirely, a power plant doesn't just shit out bombs it requires a different use of nuclear resources.

The Douche
20th November 2008, 04:37
Not entirely, a power plant doesn't just shit out bombs it requires a different use of nuclear resources.

Of course, but nuclear power is related to nuclear weaponry, and the international community sees it that way. (not saying its right...but you know)

Yehuda Stern
20th November 2008, 06:27
Someone reset the Obamabot, he's acting up again.

PRC-UTE
20th November 2008, 06:29
Someone reset the Obamabot, he's acting up again.

:lol::laugh:

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th November 2008, 06:34
Yep, Yehuda's 10% correct on this one. Although we're of course for nuclear disarment across the board, as long as the imperialists and their partners continue to weild nuclear weapons communists support the right of imperialist-oppressed countries to build and maintain nuclear weapons as well as a deterrent to imperialist invasion. And more specific to the topic at hand here, we also support nuclear power, the best energy source in existence at the moment, and also one which allows imperialist-oppressed countries to produce their own energy without having to rely on the oil barrons.

The Douche
20th November 2008, 13:17
Someone reset the Obamabot, he's acting up again.

Haha are you referring to me?

How in the fuck, does stating that the international community sees nuclear power and nuclear weapons as being related (and justification for sanctions/inspections/military action) make me a fucking obamabot?

Did I say the US should invade Venezuela? Did I say no country other than the US has the right to nuclear power/weaponry? Did I refer to any country as a "rougue state"?

No, I simply pointed out, in response to the observation that Venezuela is not developing the bomb, that they don't need to develop the bomb to be treated like they're trying to develop the bomb.

bcbm
20th November 2008, 13:55
I think they meant "PostAnarchy"

KC
20th November 2008, 14:56
Nuclear programs are overlapping. Iran isn't trying to devlop a bomb either, just nuclear power...

There is no evidence that Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons.


Why is chavez so friendly with an imperialist capitalist crony nation ? ...... its fucking messed up for lack of a better description...

1. Socialist countries have to work within a capitalist system because of the fact that the world is capitalist (whether Venezuela is socialist is debatable, and not what I'm claiming here).
2. Chavez is a politician.


Of course, but nuclear power is related to nuclear weaponry, and the international community sees it that way. (not saying its right...but you know)

Well, yeah, considering how easy it is to enrich uranium for the development of nuclear weapons (laser isotope separation (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/16-10/sl_ferguson) is the latest development, and just about anyone with some uranium and easy to find equipment could make a nuclear weapon).


And more specific to the topic at hand here, we also support nuclear power, the best energy source in existence at the moment, and also one which allows imperialist-oppressed countries to produce their own energy without having to rely on the oil barrons.

This might be true, but solar cells have been recently developed that can reach near-100% efficiency, making it much more efficient than nuclear power. Of course they're probably not on the market yet.