america and china - what is their relationship?

[lostsoul]

china and america have had many conflicts in the past(from korea war, to vietnam).

But i am wondering what is their current relationship?

What does everyone think?

[Anonymous]

They're our enemy.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)

[ComradeRiley]

couldnt have said it better myself comrade :-)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 9:12 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)




Awfully belligerent today, aren't we comrade? That hangover must be getting the best of you.

Now about China, just because they happen to possess one of the largest armies in the world doesn't necessarily mean they would win a ground war with the U.S. Big armies really can't do much if they're undersupplied and underequiped. How do you think the chinese are going to feed an army of 250 million if they can barely even feed their own people? And in the case of technology, the U.S. military is obviously far superior.

NOTE: The total military manpower of China, according to the CIA world fact book, is actually 370,087,489.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 9:44 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 2:12 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)



Are there any UN laws governing warefare that you must fight your enemy where they are thier strongest? If you haven't noticed recent developments on CNN the last 10 years, total numbers in your standing army is no guarantee for winning a battle.

And what are you talking about?

Sea? Your kidding. China has no aircraft carriers.
Subsurface sea? They are using old Soviet boats that are sitting ducks.
Tanks? The same ones that the Iraq use? They were all sitting ducks from aircraft and US tanks.
Land based aircraft? Good modern Soviet types. The Russians sell as the same equipment to evaluate strengths and weakness for future conflicts around the world.

[ComradeRiley]

DC you are talking as though the US troops are any good, in England they are regarded as a bunch of cowboys.

They didnt do too well in Somalia did they now.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 8:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 9:12 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)




Awfully belligerent today, aren't we comrade? That hangover must be getting the best of you.

Now about China, just because they happen to possess one of the largest armies in the world doesn't necessarily mean they would win a ground war with the U.S. Big armies really can't do much if they're undersupplied and underequiped. How do you think the chinese are going to feed an army of 250 million if they can barely even feed their own people? And in the case of technology, the U.S. military is obviously far superior.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 9:37 pm on June 11, 2003)

Ten bucks says Dark Capitalist came up with this argument off the top of his head just now.

[ComradeRiley]

If they Iraq war was anything to go by then the US are more danger to themselves LOL

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 8:39 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 2:12 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)



Are there any UN laws governing warefare that you must fight your enemy where they are thier strongest? If you haven't noticed recent developments on CNN the last 10 years, total numbers in your standing army is no guarantee for winning a battle.

And what are you talking about?

Sea? Your kidding. China has no aircraft carriers.
Subsurface sea? They are using old Soviet boats that are sitting ducks.
Tanks? The same ones that the Iraq use? They were all sitting ducks from aircraft and US tanks.
Land based aircraft? Good modern Soviet types. The Russians sell as the same equipment to evaluate strengths and weakness for future conflicts around the world.

Before you went and took the time to type up this post, perhaps you should have spent some time researching and figuring out that China is America's fuckbuddy, and that only complete morons like yourself and the majority of this message board would actually take a comment like that seriously.

[Nobody]

China hardly better then the U$. Fuck 'em both.

[Vinny Rafarino]

For Fuck's ake I feel like Johnny Wishbone psychic extraordinairre.....You silly cappies fell in line right on cue!

From the oh-so brilliant DC. What a twat.

Awfully belligerent today, aren't we comrade? That hangover must be getting the best of you.
Now about China, just because they happen to possess one of the largest armies in the world doesn't necessarily mean they would win a ground war with the U.S. Big armies really can't do much if they're undersupplied and underequiped. How do you think the chinese are going to feed an army of 250 million if they can barely even feed their own people? And in the case of technology, the U.S. military is obviously far superior.

Now from Kelvin90210...I knew this kid was from Pluto.

Are there any UN laws governing warefare that you must fight your enemy where they are thier strongest? If you haven't noticed recent developments on CNN the last 10 years, total numbers in your standing army is no guarantee for winning a battle.

And what are you talking about?

Sea? Your kidding. China has no aircraft carriers.
Subsurface sea? They are using old Soviet boats that are sitting ducks.
Tanks? The same ones that the Iraq use? They were all sitting ducks from aircraft and US tanks.
Land based aircraft? Good modern Soviet types. The Russians sell as the same equipment to evaluate strengths and weakness for future conflicts around the world.

I even told them I was baiting them...they are absolute imbeciles! I though it was certain they would ignore me. I gave them way too much credit

Michael De Panama,

I agree with everything you posted, your brilliance is noted.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 3:45 am on June 12, 2003)

[ComradeRiley]

(dont piss COMRADE RAF off, he gets angry)

suprised I didnt get a slaging

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 2:46 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 8:39 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 2:12 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:01 am on June 12, 2003
They're our enemy.

These silly mindless cappies will be the first ones to claim China as their enemy but would never actually confront them. Why? In a conventional war China would ***** slap you back to the McCarthy era where you belong.

(that one should get this useless fucker to start throwing all sorts of useless military propaganda at us...I can't wait for his moronic responses.)



Are there any UN laws governing warefare that you must fight your enemy where they are thier strongest? If you haven't noticed recent developments on CNN the last 10 years, total numbers in your standing army is no guarantee for winning a battle.

And what are you talking about?

Sea? Your kidding. China has no aircraft carriers.
Subsurface sea? They are using old Soviet boats that are sitting ducks.
Tanks? The same ones that the Iraq use? They were all sitting ducks from aircraft and US tanks.
Land based aircraft? Good modern Soviet types. The Russians sell as the same equipment to evaluate strengths and weakness for future conflicts around the world.

Before you went and took the time to type up this post, perhaps you should have spent some time researching and figuring out that China is America's fuckbuddy, and that only complete morons like yourself and the majority of this message board would actually take a comment like that seriously.


Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.
I'm assuming you're still a virgin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...?term=fuckbuddy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckbuddy)

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from ComradeRiley on 2:14 am on June 12, 2003
couldnt have said it better myself comrade :-)


Cheers comrade! There's no way you would get a slagging from me. Unless of course you are that silly Boris somethingorother....What a knob he turned out to be.


Edit:

Michael De Panama....This is hilarious! I have to make note of the phonetic version from your link...brilliant humour!

"FUK-buh-dee"

Brilliant!

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 4:01 am on June 12, 2003)

[IHP]

Economically I think China is the second fastest growing nation in the world, while Americas somewhere in the red.

Anyway, it would take serious, I mean serious trouble to go down for something as collossal as those two duking it out. I think the end of the world could be the spoils for the victor.

--IHP

[IHP]

Check out this (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock) for America's debt. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Thanks to Peaccenicked for the link.

--IHP

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:39 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.
I'm assuming you're still a virgin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...?term=fuckbuddy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckbuddy)

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)


Sorry I'm not an expert in profanity.

Profanity is a result of a simple mind trying to express complex thoughts.

[Dirty Commie]

Quote: from i hate pinochet on 12:54 am on June 12, 2003


Check out this (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock) for America's debt. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Thanks to Peaccenicked for the link.

--IHP


I can watch amerikkka go to hell in a hand basket with the click of a button...I might be there while.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 1:05 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:39 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.
I'm assuming you're still a virgin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...?term=fuckbuddy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckbuddy)

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)


Sorry I'm not an expert in profanity.

Profanity is a result of a simple mind trying to express complex thoughts.
Yep. You're definitely still a virgin.

You're apparently not an expert in American foreign policy either.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I don't think Kelvin90210 is an expert on anything besides looking flash for the ladies in his Kompressor and wankin' off.

A man's gotta be good at somthing I reckon. Stick to these boyKelvin 'cos politics simply isn't yer stick.

[Silent Eye]

China has only man power. As stated earlier, China is ineffeciant and they have little technology compared with the US. But they have more people in their army than the US population in total.

[RAM]

The US probbaly wants to get at more of the Chinese markets for goods!

[Anonymous]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 10:04 pm on June 12, 2003
I don't think Kelvin90210 is an expert on anything besides looking flash for the ladies in his Kompressor and wankin' off.

A man's gotta be good at somthing I reckon. Stick to these boyKelvin 'cos politics simply isn't yer stick.




It is an Accura. My girlfriend loves to wear a mini-skirt because the leather feels good in nylons.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from RAM on 10:17 pm on June 12, 2003
The US probbaly wants to get at more of the Chinese markets for goods!


Probably? It is no secret. Yes US business wants to expand into China.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 3:03 am on June 13, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 10:04 pm on June 12, 2003
I don't think Kelvin90210 is an expert on anything besides looking flash for the ladies in his Kompressor and wankin' off.

A man's gotta be good at somthing I reckon. Stick to these boyKelvin 'cos politics simply isn't yer stick.




It is an Accura. My girlfriend loves to wear a mini-skirt because the leather feels good in nylons.



C'mon don't fib kelvin90210. Those dolls don't really have feelings, no matter how life-like they are.

[notyetacommie]

Could you tell me one thing, kelvin. If the US army is so invincible, why did you make Saddam destroy his missiles before you dared to mess up with him? Your "Patriot" systems are a joke, really. What would happen if one of the missiles that landed on Kuwait were charged with a nuclear or chemical trigger? Oh, sorry, I forgot, you knew for sure Saddam didn't have them.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from notyetacommie on 9:40 am on June 13, 2003
Could you tell me one thing, kelvin. If the US army is so invincible, why did you make Saddam destroy his missiles before you dared to mess up with him? Your "Patriot" systems are a joke, really. What would happen if one of the missiles that landed on Kuwait were charged with a nuclear or chemical trigger? Oh, sorry, I forgot, you knew for sure Saddam didn't have them.

Again, why does the US military have to play fair in combat? Does warefare require anyone not exploit every advantage you have ane every weakness in an enemy.

Patriot? You have access to classified information that we do not have regarding effectiveness? Please provide link with info so I can make a similiar judgement.

Nuclear weapons:

"Iraq also faced initial difficulties in machining precision components and sought assistance from suppliers in Germany, Yugoslavia, and Switzerland. By 1990, Iraq had produced its first carbon fiber magnetic centrifuge. "

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iraq_N_overview.html

The expertise to build weapons grade nuclear material never left Iraq or has it been destroyed by the UN. A plutonium separator can fit in my kitchen. Every kitchen in Iraq has yet to be inspected. Do you trust Saddam? Do you trust that he does not want to obtain a nuclear bomb? After 9/11 do you trust him not give one away to a "friend"? Do you hate the US so much that you would rather trust a dictator? Why do you trust Saddam?

(Edited by kelvin9 at 3:24 pm on June 13, 2003)

[lostsoul]

So what do you guys think of the current relationship? Are the two nations friendly(like us and canada) or hostile(like us and cuba)? Or do you think they are trying to be nice while plotting to destory the other?






kelvin9 - using your logic on war not having any real rules, then basically Al-quada didn't do anything wrong. It was a miltiary offensive.

[atlanticche]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 9:21 pm on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 1:05 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:39 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.
I'm assuming you're still a virgin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...?term=fuckbuddy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckbuddy)

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)


Sorry I'm not an expert in profanity.

Profanity is a result of a simple mind trying to express complex thoughts.
Yep. You're definitely still a virgin.

You're apparently not an expert in American foreign policy either.

i wanted to show the stupidity in quoting a quote

[atlanticche]

theyre trying to be kind while plotting to destroy each other
they both probably have defensive plans and plans for counterattacks for every possible attack
though america probably wont bother to much about defencive pland

[ComradeRiley]

I though the Canadian people hated the yanks

www.boycottusa.com (set up by canadians)


am I wrong?

[lostsoul]

Quote: from ComradeRiley on 6:00 pm on June 13, 2003
I though the Canadian people hated the yanks

www.boycottusa.com (set up by canadians)


am I wrong?

wasn't this about china and america?

[Anonymous]

Quote: from atlanticche on 12:42 pm on June 13, 2003

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 9:21 pm on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 1:05 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:39 am on June 12, 2003

Quote: from kelvin9 on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2003

Trade does not equate friendship if that is what you mean by fuckbuddy.
I'm assuming you're still a virgin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...?term=fuckbuddy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckbuddy)

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)


Sorry I'm not an expert in profanity.

Profanity is a result of a simple mind trying to express complex thoughts.
Yep. You're definitely still a virgin.

You're apparently not an expert in American foreign policy either.

i wanted to show the stupidity in quoting a quote


It's not stupid.

[canikickit]

It is really (humour notwithstanding).

[Zombie]

yeah i agree with AC and Cani, it can get very frustrating, this whole quoting quotes...

[Loknar]

I'll say CHina is our competition for now. The are upcomming however they haver a very critical weakness, %20 of their exports are purchased by the US. A war between us is very likely and will not likely happen anytime soon. IN the case of a Korean war China would simply wait until the North Koreans start to gasp for air then occupy as much of the North as possible.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Loknar on 8:31 am on June 17, 2003
I'll say CHina is our competition for now. The are upcomming however they haver a very critical weakness, %20 of their exports are purchased by the US. A war between us is very likely and will not likely happen anytime soon. IN the case of a Korean war China would simply wait until the North Koreans start to gasp for air then occupy as much of the North as possible.

what makes you think china wants north korea? They have had so many chances in the past.

[Loknar]

Quote: from lostsoul on 3:43 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 8:31 am on June 17, 2003
I'll say CHina is our competition for now. The are upcomming however they haver a very critical weakness, %20 of their exports are purchased by the US. A war between us is very likely and will not likely happen anytime soon. IN the case of a Korean war China would simply wait until the North Koreans start to gasp for air then occupy as much of the North as possible.

what makes you think china wants north korea? They have had so many chances in the past.

It is not about wanting North Korea. They dont want an American army sitting across the Yalu River, and they dont want to fight us.

(Edited by Loknar at 5:57 pm on June 24, 2003)

[RAM]

Quote: from Loknar on 5:56 pm on June 24, 2003

Quote: from lostsoul on 3:43 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 8:31 am on June 17, 2003
I'll say CHina is our competition for now. The are upcomming however they haver a very critical weakness, %20 of their exports are purchased by the US. A war between us is very likely and will not likely happen anytime soon. IN the case of a Korean war China would simply wait until the North Koreans start to gasp for air then occupy as much of the North as possible.

what makes you think china wants north korea? They have had so many chances in the past.

It is not about wanting North Korea. They dont want an American army sitting across the Yalu River, and they dont want to fight us.

(Edited by Loknar at 5:57 pm on June 24, 2003)


Err George Bush wants a war becuase of his Pre-Millenalism Good and Evil crap!

[Vinny Rafarino]

Well RAM. That's a bit simplistic don't you think. I understand dubya did look silly with all the "evil doer" nonsense he spouted about the Taliban but to assume he subscribes to some sort of 2000 year old dogma is simply absurd RAM. Dubya has no intentions of invading North Korea. Why would he? We all know at the time he was using the old WMD excuse to invade Iraq. It was simple publicity in NK. Get the public thinking about Nukes and the "grave dangers" to be faced by the American public from there enemies of freedom and perhaps to possible create some sort of media tie with DPRK and Iraq. Guilt by association. Why would China as a capitalist country want to have any ties with the DPRK? They would much prefer to bed up with Uncle Sham. The love the beard.

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 6:42 pm on June 24, 2003)