Entire BNP membership list goes online.

[Sean]

Indymedia link. (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/11/413120.html) Just wondering if anyone has seen it online? Obviously it would be completely stupid to post it here, but post a link to a site or PM me if you have. Look at them panic! Clicky. (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32095749&postID=300681785381908982)

[Patchd]

There's one who lives somewhat near me.

[disobey]

Anywhere it can be sourced still?

[IAmLeviathan]

bnpmemberlist.blogspot dot com

i cant post full links yet - not enough posts (need 25)

you're welcome!

:lol:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/

[Holden Caulfield]

Today is a bad day to be a member of the BNP (http://nation-of-duncan.blogspot.com/2008/11/today-is-bad-day-to-be-member-of-bnp.html)


And this is why (http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/).

It's nothing to do with me, just passing on the link to stop people emailing me asking for the list now that the link has been posted elsewhere.

It's not this years list as has been reported elsewhere (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/18/bnp_loses_list/) as the information in it is about a year old, some of the addresses in it are out of date such as Voice of Freedom editor Martin Wingfield's who reported on his blog that he'd moved to Wigton.

I wouldn't want to speculate too much about the source of the list but if the list is around a year old that co-incidentaly places it at the same time as several prominent BNP members, who would have access to this sort of stuff, were expelled including Sadie 'shady' Graham.

The best bit from the entire document is this though:

Report from Mike Howson 2/8/07: member describes himself as a witch: potential embarrassment if active

Helpful hints for the BNP in future (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4287844.html?nav=rss20).

N.B this aint my article btw

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Iv been searching round for teachers take this guy for example. All we need is for some internet warriors to find out his school and there goes his job!

Mr
Barry
Streater
27 Ridgeway
Berkhamstead
Hertfordshire
HP4 3LB
01442 866898
07966 141301
[email protected]
Ex-serviceman. Chartered engineer. Part-time teacher and freelance technical author/graphic designer. Qualified as a fully skilled fitter and turner. BA Computing. Cert Ed. Member of Institution of Electrical Engineers & Institution of Engineering Designers/Enginnering Technology. French speaker. Hobbies: computer-aided manufacturing/design/photography/lithographic printing.

[Patchd]

Mr
Mark
Walker
7 Rievaulx Court
Spennymoor
Co Durham
DL16 6XR
01388 813834
[email protected] ([email protected])
Technology teacher. BA (Hons) with Qualified Teacher status. Ex-serviceman (RAF). Gulf War I veteran. Pet-shop owner. Hobbies: fitness, fantail doves, koi carp, gardening

Mr
Andrew J.
Slade
41 Crows Road
Epping
Essex
CM16 5DE
01992 572807
[email protected]
Retired historian, teacher & tutor. BA (Hons) History. Hobbies: occasional speaker (nationalist views); writing poetry

Ms
Donna
Sims
24A Silver Street
Dursley
Gloucestershire
GL11 4ND
01453 549829
simsdcoolersfsbusiness.co.uk
Former teacher. BA (Hons). Company owner
^ Yer really working class

Mr
Julian
Singer
12 Ravenscroft Avenue
London
NW11 0RY
0208 209 1309
Teacher. MSc Ecomonics, Politics & Sociology

Mr
Richard
Ryder
2 Dudley Road
South Harrow
Middlesex
HA2 0PR
0208 864 4223
[email protected]
Teacher (English). Advanced plumber

There are quite a few teachers.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

My,my we have quite alot of work to do.

Anyone feel like setting up a closed invite only group so we can discuss information on these bastards.
Atchuly the first one gave away his school adress in his email adress. Il go and sent an email to the school tommrow.

[bcbm]

Anonymous said...Fuck me, the reds have the list now.


heh heh heh...

[Pogue]

Is that blog safe Joe? I want to know before I do anything with it, incase of viruses. Was it set up by our side?

And also, what are the chances of that blog being taken down? Can I be sure someone has saved this onto their hardrive?

[Dóchas]

thats fuckin hilarious!! how did this happen??:lol:

[Patchd]

My,my we have quite alot of work to do.

Anyone feel like setting up a closed invite only group so we can discuss information on these bastards.
Atchuly the first one gave away his school adress in his email adress. Il go and sent an email to the school tommrow.
It'll be quite risky if we were to be planning militant actions against them on an internet board though, you can always be traced by the authorities.

[wasteman]

What happens now??

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

It'll be quite risky if we were to be planning militant actions against them on an internet board though, you can always be traced by the authorities.


Nah Its a crime for a teacher to be in the BNP as it is for pigs. Also we can fuck up some peoples crediblity if they have other jobs.

This is legal.

Oh and yeah its a virus free blog.

[Patchd]

Oh no, I know that, what I meant was other activities...you know, involving bricks and stuff, not that I condone the throwing of bricks on peoples windows of course

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Nah that shit dont get discussed here.

Anyone here up for a group which works to get them sacked?

[revolution inaction]

It's not this years list as has been reported elsewhere (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/18/bnp_loses_list/) as the information in it is about a year old, some of the addresses in it are out of date such as Voice of Freedom editor Martin Wingfield's who reported on his blog that he'd moved to Wigton.

I wouldn't want to speculate too much about the source of the list but if the list is around a year old that co-incidentaly places it at the same time as several prominent BNP members, who would have access to this sort of stuff, were expelled including Sadie 'shady' Graham.



Actually some of the dates of things that have happened are from 2008, the most recent is from august 2008

[Patchd]

Nah that shit dont get discussed here.

Anyone here up for a group which works to get them sacked?
Yer I'll be up for that, but I'm going offline for a bit to finish my essay.

[redguard2009]

Oh, I wish I lived in England right about now. I'd have some fuuunnnn.

[Dr Mindbender]

Hmmm... this one is interesting, wonder what is implied by the bold italisised text, perhaps the BNP are more violent than they want us to believe?

:confused: :rolleyes:




I don't know what everyone is crying about. We/most of us stand as BNP candidates anyway. Name and address is freely there for everyone to see FROM THE COUNCIL.

Everyone put your Y fronts back on and wipe your arse before you do it. All you moaners out there make sure you are not standing by me when the real fight begins, I want someone who can stand up for themselves without blubbering.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Alright cool if somone starts one let me know (i would make one but theres already a load of groups made by me).

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Oh, I wish I lived in England right about now. I'd have some fuuunnnn.

Although it sounds sad you can still get involved in the internet warriorism

People in some jobs such as teachers , pigs , the army , health care etc are not allowed to be in the BNP. So you can still get them sacked by emailing there workplace.

[Fidel Follower]

I'm up for legal sacking.

It's a big list but we can all do our bit,
if there is any leftist students out there look to see if you can find any teachers.
I'm trying that now.

[Dr Mindbender]

Alright cool if somone starts one let me know (i would make one but theres already a load of groups made by me).

Its a good idea. I think we should have a general anti-BNP forum anyway, anti fascism seems a bit swamped these days by them.

[wasteman]

lets do some crazy shit a bunch of these lot will get sacked:laugh: :castro:

[Fidel Follower]

Turns out a couple near me are both on the list, and his son is at school with me......

[wasteman]

snipped ~ Holden

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

any volunteers to start a group?

[Fidel Follower]

Wasteman, wasn't that a still from the programe about Stalin showing on the BBC? / just what you imagine we should do with the people on the list?

[revolution inaction]

Turns out a couple near me are both on the list, and his son is at school with me......

There's some near me, one family and some individual members, some vary close.

[Bear MacMillan]

The list is full of lulz



Capt. Hon.
Roy D.
Needler
161 Tolcarne Drive
Pinner
Middlesex
HA5 2DL
07769 583986
[email protected]
Former policeman. >Lecturer in human rights/data protection

[wasteman]

Wasteman, wasn't that a still from the programe about Stalin showing on the BBC? / just what you imagine we should do with the people on the list?

Yeah I watched the documentary very interesting, just thought some of it was entertaining.

Personally I am not much of an activist just an observer, also I wouldnt want to involve myself in someones life for no reason.

[spartan]

The story has made it to BBC news!

Griffin says he will take those responsible for this (according to him a disaffected former member of the party) to court irrespective of the court costs (hopefully they will get themselves massively into debt).

If I were you I would write down as many of the addresses (or at east those in your area) as possible as they could be taken down soon by the authorities or something soon.

[Dr Mindbender]

The story has made it to BBC news!

Griffin says he will take those responsible for this to court irrespective of the court costs (hopefully they will get themselves into debt).

If I were you I would write down as many of the addresses as possible as they could be taken down soon by the authorities.


damn beat me to it.

Yep this is big, theres just been an article on national telly.

[Dr Mindbender]

any volunteers to start a group?
alright' give us 2 mins


EDIT

Okay group started.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=74

[Andy Bowden]

http://www.filefactory.com/file/0ea85b/n/bnp_zip

An easy to search format here.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

you can download it on pirate bay.

[welshboy]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_full_membership_list,_2007-2008

[Sean]

It'll be quite risky if we were to be planning militant actions against them on an internet board though, you can always be traced by the authorities.

Anonymous have already started appearantly.

[Patchd]

Anonymous have already started appearantly.
lol /b/tards :p

[Kid A]

Although it sounds sad you can still get involved in the internet warriorism

People in some jobs such as teachers , pigs , the army , health care etc are not allowed to be in the BNP. So you can still get them sacked by emailing there workplace.

Not true. You can be in the BNP and be a teacher, squaddie, health care worker etc. It will however be frowned upon and if you were sacked for being in the BNP, well, even as a lefty, I have to say that is pretty unfair. It's the ugly face of democracy and for one I'd hate to lose my job because I am red and black.

However you are correct in saying that it is illegal for the police to be in the BNP, that came into effect in 2004. An effort by the police force to try and convince people that they're not a racist organisation.

Opened a right can of worms this has. By publishing it online it has blunted the sharp weapon that it was. I'd have sat on it. I'd make use of it and make sure those who could use it got hold of it.

[bcbm]

lol /b/tards :p

The racists whining on /b/ is fucking hilarious. "Waaa you're being anti-democratic!"

[Kid A]

How about calling a national day of phoning - not threatening stuff but trying convince those 10,000 people they are wrong in looking towards the BNP. Fuck, we need loads of patronising middle-class student socialists - that will be worst than torture! :D

[Holden Caulfield]

I'd hate to lose my job because I am red and black.

your not tho are you?

[Kid A]

I would argue I am not but it is what I have been called more than once. What I am does not matter anyway, that is not the point. The point is it's embarrassing seeing all the keyboard heroes in action. But even if the threats do get followed up on, what good will it do? It'll only make the BNP look virtuous. It just shows that the current left cannot defeat the BNP politically. Meanwhile, they've played this like a violin, three perfectly pitched updates on their site since the story broke, and a load of publicity.

I am starting to suspect that is "leak" was engineered.

I noticed you deleted my post about middle-class swappie students, did I hit a nerve? :D

[Holden Caulfield]

no ive just been reading stormfront and, shock horror, you sound just like them, i thought ild let you stick around for a bit for my own amusement, fuck it ill even restore your post

[Holden Caulfield]

can i guess which one you are?

[Kid A]

Am not stormfront, f'ck, mate, that's low! Oh and am not redwatch or any of the rest :laugh:

Seriously though, look at it this way: as someone who was 'identified and outed' by the far right and faced all the threats these people will recieve (alluded to by some in the left, not just here but on other forums), i feel pretty uncomfortable with this gadarene rush to name names without considering the consequences.

Many people may lose jobs over this, homes will be attacked, children bullied in school, ok you say, but one day, it may be the left who are the victims of such leaks and 'identified'.

It is also incredible how many of those who bleat constantly about intrusion of privacy, personal data, are so quick to abandon principles. However, now it is out it will undoubtedly be a useful tool for anti-facists and strategy such as it is. I also think this will lead to a split in the BNP with a move to a more euro-nationalist approach which in terms of acheiving their goals may be more effective: eg, look at the situation in Rome with a former MSI mayor, etc, Fini in the Gov't, the anti-immigrant agenda now pushed by the People' Parties in Scandanavia,

That doesnn't mean that i wouldn't have welcomed the info, just maybe not done it this way.

Cheers for restoring my post.

[wasteman]

Am not stormfront, f'ck, mate, that's low! Oh and am not redwatch or any of the rest :laugh:

Seriously though, look at it this way: as someone who was 'identified and outed' by the far right and faced all the threats these people will recieve (alluded to by some in the left, not just here but on other forums), i feel pretty uncomfortable with this gadarene rush to name names without considering the consequences.

Many people may lose jobs over this, homes will be attacked, children bullied in school, ok you say, but one day, it may be the left who are the victims of such leaks and 'identified'.

It is also incredible how many of those who bleat constantly about intrusion of privacy, personal data, are so quick to abandon principles. However, now it is out it will undoubtedly be a useful tool for anti-facists and strategy such as it is. I also think this will lead to a split in the BNP with a move to a more euro-nationalist approach which in terms of acheiving their goals may be more effective: eg, look at the situation in Rome with a former MSI mayor, etc, Fini in the Gov't, the anti-immigrant agenda now pushed by the People' Parties in Scandanavia,

That doesnn't mean that i wouldn't have welcomed the info, just maybe not done it this way.

Cheers for restoring my post.

:laugh:

I am sure all those people knew the risk when they gave their details to a far right party, they were literally asking for it.

[Holden Caulfield]

if you had read my posts i do not advocate merely attacking everybody who supports the BNP, a lot of their supporters are decent working class people who have been manipulated into the defence of an opressive states by fascists (or W/N or NS or whatever the fuck they want called). and they do defend the state, look at the NF in the 1970's for a fine example of workers being manipulated into voting for that witch Thatcher!

and i am equally disgusted by comments on indymedia calling for people to be raped, rape is a terrible crime and i dont think any real leftist would make such a claim. i dont think children should have to suffer for having manipulated individuals or tossers as parents, its not their fault anymore than it is the fault of kids brought up in religious houses from believing all that shite.

however i do not think that people who are prejudiced should be allowed to teach our children, people who think that whites are better or should be given priority in this country should be allowed to indoctrinate the next generations, and help perpetuate this outdated imperialist residual rascism and statism.

the BNP will do whatever gets them more publicity as we have well seen, they are opportunists and pull stunts for media coverage, funny how euro skeptic Griffin wants to be an MEP, surely he doesnt need to get on the gravy train he is rich enuf, the one eyed tosser.

anti-fascism is not the same as fascism in regards to how we wish to see others treated, you/they want to divide the people and to defend your state or race, we want brotherhood and cooperation of all men for the common good of all men, we only exist because fascists or the right wingers think that their state is on their side, which is shite, and they seek to set up hierarchy and erode the rights of all. Our states opress us (the working class) more than anything else and use immigrants as a scapegoat so that the masses do not attack the ruling class, but instead put their energies into attacking minorities.

[rednordman]

Fuck, we need loads of patronising middle-class student socialists - that will be worst than torture! :D
lol, because we really are all middle-class+students:laugh:

[Kid A]

If you read my post you would see that I never said you advocated anything like that, where did you get the idea from that I said you had, if you could quote it for me that would be great as I can't see it from here. :p

You basically have said what I was saying all along with some extra points here and there. Which I agree with. But I'd go one step further and say I'd rather everyone kept their nose out my business and I kept my nose of theirs so long as no one gets harmed anyway.

Fuck it! You and I don't have the answers but the wankers calling for lynchings, rape and harrassing people's employers are doing the left no favours but playing straight into the BNP's hands. I had a look at comrade joe's profile and as I expected he's still a child. He does come across extremely immature and infantile. Even if it was a joke it's attitudes like that which have turned the left into a bit of a joke for most.

[Holden Caulfield]

if i was middle class i wouldnt waste my time here, ild be off spending all my moneys:laugh:

[bcbm]

Yeah, if we place nice with these fuckers when they get handed to us on a platter, they will do the same for us.:glare:

[Sam_b]

There are two members from my home town, a small place in rural Aberdeenshire. This pisses me off no end.

[Kid A]

lol, because we really are all middle-class+students:laugh:

You'll be surprised, when I was living in squats most of the anarchists, crusties and swappies were white middle class kids "roughing" it for a bit before getting sick and going back to mummy and daddy in surrey.

I don't know what sleeping in a cold damp derelict pub appealed to them, I certainly wouldn't have been there if I could have helped it :D

[RedAnarchist]

There's about 4 or 5 in my local area, none of whom I know though. I think we should warn people who live nearby about these people.

[Kid A]

Yeah, if we place nice with these fuckers when they get handed to us on a platter, they will do the same for us.:glare:

They probably wouldn't do anything because they know we're not a threat anymore, 20 years ago they'd have done something but not now. Apathy has kicked in. I blame the internet :D

[Holden Caulfield]

@Kid A, im talking for me im talking for sensible well rounded leftists, and yeah we have some jokes but jokes are funny, this isnt serious business its an internet forum ffs.

if we do the left no favours then what the fuck are the people going on about ZOGs, and all leftists being gay jewish sucm doing for the right?

people should be fired if they are positions of power or influence and are inherently prejudice, i dont care about that,

nobody has called for lynchings, but i do think that any BNPer/fascist who tries 'big man' posturing should be met with the same thing, we dont need a pretence of a moral high ground,

my nose is in the business of the far right, as a communist and somebody who isnt homphobic etc i would be up against the wall facing the firing squad if they ever got in power, and yes of course the BNP are just a liberal centre right party, thats why their members are on Stromfront talking about jews and ZOGs as you read this, not to mention the BPP seem to like them,

[Kid A]

I don't think some of the comments I have read on urban75, indymedia etc from keyboard warriors are jokes - OK they might be said with a tongue in the cheek but that idea permeates into their real world politics.

Christ, I can't beleive I am saying this... I got arrested in Fratton, Portsmouth a few years ago for errr, doing something to someone's property because they had a BNP poster in the window! :huh:

[Holden Caulfield]

Christ, I can't beleive I am saying this... I got arrested in Fratton, Portsmouth a few years ago for errr, doing something to someone's property because they had a BNP poster in the window!
can you get nicked for seil heiling to a window?

i dont care what other people are saying, this is the internet, any muppet with fingers can type all types of shit, we realise this, this is why we have democratically elected mods, your point is pointless

[Patchd]

You'll be surprised, when I was living in squats most of the anarchists, crusties and swappies were white middle class kids "roughing" it for a bit before getting sick and going back to mummy and daddy in surrey.
Oi, I was born near Surrey and lived there for most of my life, it wasn't a middle class town at all, if ya knows of Mitcham anyways :p

[wasteman]

I got arrested in Fratton, Portsmouth a few years ago for errr, doing something to someone's property because they had a BNP poster in the window! :huh:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Madrid_may_day375.jpg/800px-Madrid_may_day375.jpg

[Kid A]

i dont care what other people are saying, this is the internet,

Then you contradict your earlier statement where you siad something along the lines of being concearned about some of the comments made on indymedia. Also coupled with the fact that this entire leak is centred on information on the internet proves that it does actually have real world consequences.


Oi, I was born near Surrey and lived there for most of my life, it wasn't a middle class town at all, if ya knows of Mitcham anyways :p

I knows of Mitcham :D

I lived in Carshalton for a bit, near Morden. Worst place I ever lived :crying:

[RedAnarchist]

I think one of them that lives near me is on Facebook, and hes got six mutual friends with me (none of whom are BNP members, by the way). He looks a bit stereotypical, though (shaved head and wearing Lonsdale clothing).

[Kid A]

There's a facebook group if anyone cares, I wonder how long that will last for?

[Patchd]

Yer mate, Carshalton aint too good, I got a mate living round there, near Benhill, its not extremely bad though.

[Kid A]

Yer mate, Carshalton aint too good, I got a mate living round there, near Benhill, its not extremely bad though.

Nothing there but pound shops and rabbit warrens of housing estate. Thank fuck I moved to Brixton!

[Holden Caulfield]

Then you contradict your earlier statement where you siad something along the lines of being concearned about some of the comments made on indymedia. Also coupled with the fact that this entire leak is centred on information on the internet proves that it does actually have real world consequences.
i cannot control what ppl say, but i can have opinions on it, i think i am well placed to speak for a decent amount of other leftists. ive already said good, real world consequences, fine with me, as long as people use their heads and do go attacking people at randon i dont mind if some bigot loses his job so he or she cannot indoctrinate children,



I think one of them that lives near me is on Facebook, and hes got six mutual friends with me (none of whom are BNP members, by the way). He looks a bit stereotypical, though (shaved head and wearing Lonsdale clothing).
not all people with skinheads are fash! i know you know but i just wanted to have it on record,


There's a facebook group if anyone cares, I wonder how long that will last for?give them our details back? i suppose its only fair...

[Kid A]

Filed under: BNP, anti-fascist — Andy Newman @ 9:10 pm

Many of you will be aware that the entire BNP membership list has been pasted on-line. This gives names, and addresses, telephone numbers and e-mail addresses, and even lists hobbies. Activists are clearly marked to distinguish them from paper members. Unfortunately it also includes the ages of young members under eighteen years old. For several reasons, I will not be permitting any comments on this blog that give a link to this data, nor that quote from it. Firstly, this information can only be in the public domain through a breach of the data protection act, and I need to protect this web-site from any legal complications.

But more importantly, I have myself had my name and address published on the Stormfront Nazi web-page, and it is an intimidating and disturbing experience. My sympathy for BNP members is very limited, but the left should not stoop to personal intimidation of those we oppose politically.

There is also a very real political problem with any temptation towards vigilante action against BNP supporters. The list shows that BNP members are pretty much ordinary people, many of them living in working class communities; they may have wrong and even dangerous political ideas, but they are still people not monsters. Any attempt to intimidate or harass them will only increase sympathy for them and their ideals among their friends, work-colleagues and neighbours. The sad truth is that some BNP policies are broadly popular with large numbers of working class people, we have to combat those ideas, while accepting that many otherwise decent people currently give half an ear to the BNP.

As it stands, the leak of this information is a devastating blow to the BNP. Many members will be furious, in some cases their work may be jeopardised, in other cases they may feel that they, or their children, have been Put at risk. the left needs to take a responsible stand - let the BNP fight among themselves, but we should in no way encourage any intimidation or harassment of BNP members.from the Socialist Unity website.

I rest my case.


So holden, do you still dismiss what I was saying as being "one of them" from SF? Is Andy Newman a SF member? And please don't ever speak for broadly for the left, I certainly wouldn't want you to ;)

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Anyone who has the list will have seen the tagline "proof of entitlement seen" under a few members, particularly activists... anyone any idea what that means?

Searching "CLLR" brings up their councillors, obviously Police, Teacher bring up some worrying results... Anybody find it a bit dubious that a "political party" takes down the names of their members children?

[Holden Caulfield]

keep on topic or a delete your posts

[Holden Caulfield]

BNP members are pretty much ordinary people, many of them living in working class communities; they may have wrong and even dangerous political ideas,
i said this too, i dont see your point

and i dont care if Andy is Karl Marx reincarnitaded i still hold my views, and they dont even contradict what you posted anyhoo

[Kid A]

I don't care if you said one line of what he said, Jesus, are you drunk, stoned or dumb? :D

Of course you don't see my point, that's what is so funny about your statement of, " i think i am well placed to speak for a decent amount of other leftists." You're clearly not are you? You're not even sure what your view point is and you're jumping from one foot to the next.

Rather than damning the idiots that advocate exactly what Andy Newman is talking about you're more or less saying, "fuck it! It's only the internet."

If it is only the internet then why do we give a shit about the information that has been leaked onto the internet? You're cutting your nose off to save face.

[Kid A]

If the reaction on Stormfront is anything to go by, there's absolutely no indication that there will be a mass desertion of BNP numbers. There, the reaction is staunch, happy to accept the publicity and pleased that BNP members are being portrayed as ordinary folk. Griffin's quite right, there's no grounds for anyone losing their job outside of the police and the prison service. Anyone who does will have their case magnified and turned into political capital for the BNP, ditto any acts of violence.

You really can't see that can you?

I have a plate with your arse on it. Good night.

[Sam_b]

Anyone who has the list will have seen the tagline "proof of entitlement seen" under a few members, particularly activists... anyone any idea what that means?

I think this means reduced subs for pensioners, students etc.

[Holden Caulfield]

right to make myself clear...

i think a decent amount of people would agree with me, that is fair enough, that isnt really an issue tho if im wrong at worse im a narcassist. No Issue Here.

im saying that i cannot stop people from saying things on the internet outside this forum, im not gonna stop people making 'crass' jokes about things. i think it is good that this infomation has been released but i do not think that attacking every BNP supporter will achieve anything and i do not condone it, they are manipulated working class people for the most part, we should win them over with our political line. However of some members have been a 'physical' presance of the BNP, we have all seen them at their own stalls, the boneheads they have to make sure nobody gives them abuse, then if anything should happen to these types i could live with it, i believe in brotherhood of all man and i think violence in itself should be avoided, but i will not extend the hand of brotherhood or the branch of pacifism to those who would not do the same to me.

i dont think this directly contradicts Andy Newman, as i said, he would disagree with the latter part but this extract doesnt contradict my view, so i dont see why you pulled it out your arse.

i dont get your criticism, try to make yourself clear now darling because you clearly do not "have a plate with [my] arse on it"

the BNP are opportunists and lairs, they will make political capital out of anything they can, such as having a Jewish guy or an Irish guy in the party, such as having a member killed in a dispute between neighbours, such as using children as a human shield on their protests, such as playing on anti-Islamic sentiment to win support, such as running for the european parliment, etc etc etc.

[Connolly]

Regarding teachers...

This site here I think lists tens of thousands of teachers, and they are searchable, and it may be possible to find the school.

http://uk.ratemyteachers.com/

[wasteman]

right to make myself clear...

i think a decent amount of people would agree with me, that is fair enough, that isnt really an issue tho if im wrong at worse im a narcassist. No Issue Here.

im saying that i cannot stop people from saying things on the internet outside this forum, im not gonna stop people making 'crass' jokes about things. i think it is good that this infomation has been released but i do not think that attacking every BNP supporter will achieve anything and i do not condone it, they are manipulated working class people for the most part, we should win them over with our political line. However of some members have been a 'physical' presance of the BNP, we have all seen them at their own stalls, the boneheads they have to make sure nobody gives them abuse, then if anything should happen to these types i could live with it, i believe in brotherhood of all man and i think violence in itself should be avoided, but i will not extend the hand of brotherhood or the branch of pacifism to those who would not do the same to me.

i dont think this directly contradicts Andy Newman, as i said, he would disagree with the latter part but this extract doesnt contradict my view, so i dont see why you pulled it out your arse.

i dont get your criticism, try to make yourself clear now darling because you clearly do not "have a plate with [my] arse on it"

the BNP are opportunists and lairs, they will make political capital out of anything they can, such as having a Jewish guy or an Irish guy in the party, such as having a member killed in a dispute between neighbours, such as using children as a human shield on their protests, such as playing on anti-Islamic sentiment to win support, such as running for the european parliment, etc etc etc.

I agree

[Die Neue Zeit]

Um, I think the blog has deleted the list. :confused:

[Sean]

Um, I think the blog has deleted the list. :confused:

Yes, but whoever made it has accomplished what they set out to do. The information is on thousands of hard drives now and wikileaks have it too, as well as a few rapidshares and other places. It'll exist online in some corner. Getting it offline and into the public eye is the bit that requires attention.

[politics student]

Police and teachers on BNP list


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45219000/jpg/_45219142_griffin_pa226b.jpg Nick Griffin said the leak put party members at risk of violence


Serving and former police officers, teachers and soldiers are listed as members of the British National Party in a leaked document published online.
The list, which dates from 2007, has the names, addresses, jobs and phone numbers of more than 10,000 people.
Since 2004, police officers have been banned from being members of the BNP.
The party's leader, Nick Griffin, said the leak was "a disgraceful act of treachery" by former members and called for a police investigation.
In a statement on the BNP website, Mr Griffin said he had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the publication breached human rights and data protection laws.
'Discretion required'
Occupations ascribed to the listed names include teachers, a doctor, nurse, vicar and members of the armed forces.
While there is no ban on many of those professions joining the BNP, its right-wing political stance and whites-only membership policy are seen by many as incompatible with frontline public service.
Police officers, on the other hand, are formally banned from joining, a policy which is recognised in the list.
Alongside the name of a serving officer, the document states that there is "Discretion required re. employment concerns". http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif Such membership would be incompatible with our duty to promote equality http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Peter Fahy
Association of Chief Police Officers


Peter Fahy, chief constable of Greater Manchester Police and spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "Membership or promotion of the BNP by any member of the police service, whether police officer or police staff, is prohibited.
"This is because such membership would be incompatible with our duty to promote equality under the Race Relations Amendment Act and would damage the confidence of minority communities."
The BNP said the publication could lead to identity theft and endanger children named in the list.
Some as young as 14 are included where their families have party memberships.
The publication prompted fear among BNP members using internet chatrooms.
One person wrote: "I'm also on the list, what is going on? I could lose my job."
Another said: "God help anyone who is in the Army, the prison service, healthcare, a police officer or a teacher."
Earlier this year, the BNP obtained an injunction at the High Court in Manchester banning any publication of the list.
Elections
Mr Griffin said the list was "essentially genuine", but a number of names of people who were not or are not party members had been added.
He claimed the leak was linked to next year's elections to the European Parliament and that those responsible were former members who had subsequently been sacked.
"Just six months before the proportional representation European Parliamentary elections give us the chance for a gigantic leap into the mainstream big-time, we get another leak intended to frighten the faint-hearted," he said. The anti-immigration party has won council seats in recent years, and took a London Assembly seat in May. Labour MPs are pushing for trade unions to be given the right to expel members who belong to the BNP without penalty.


Excellent I hope many lose their jobs.

[which doctor]

Anybody find it a bit dubious that a "political party" takes down the names of their members children?

Not entirely, in this age political parties are just as much businesses as they are political parties. They'll get as much information as they possibly can about their members, for marketing purposes and to tailor their campaigns to their supporters and potential supporters.

[which doctor]

Can you lose a job for simply being a member of a political party?

[politics student]

Can you lose a job for simply being a member of a political party?

Yes if you are a member of a racist party.

[Patchd]

Is it possible to find it anywhere else online now that blogspot has taken it down? PM me about it if you know. :) cheers.

[revolution inaction]

It's on http://wikileaks.org/ and on the pirate bay

[Jazzratt]

I love how the BNP has gone apeshit about this. The fact that they're scared to admit who they are gives me the warm fuzzies.

[wasteman]

snip snip

[Sean]

A friend was working on something similar: http://www.bnpnearme.co.uk/ handy.

[Melbourne Lefty]

What happens now??

everyone runs around in circles for a while talking about how they are going to 'bash the fash' someone throws a brick and then nothing else.

Sorry to be a cynic, but this shite wont make a jot of difference. All it shows is that the BNP, even with the members they are about to lose, still has a bigger membership than most revolutionary left groups around the world and 10 times bigger membership than the biggest revolutionary left groups in the UK.

The list may majke some fash unemployed, but aside from that its quite depressing.

[cleef]

Capt. Hon.
Roy D.
Needler
161 Tolcarne Drive
Pinner
Middlesex
HA5 2DL
07769 583986
[email protected]
Former policeman. Lecturer in human rights/data protection

lol this one made me laugh, kinda ironic huh?

Still do you not think this kind of exposure may deter some new supporters?

[Sean]

everyone runs around in circles for a while talking about how they are going to 'bash the fash' someone throws a brick and then nothing else.

Sorry to be a cynic, but this shite wont make a jot of difference. All it shows is that the BNP, even with the members they are about to lose, still has a bigger membership than most revolutionary left groups around the world and 10 times bigger membership than the biggest revolutionary left groups in the UK.

The list may majke some fash unemployed, but aside from that its quite depressing.

Having a list of names and addresses doesn't mean that you must go door to door and beat the shit out of people. It doesn't mean prank phonecalls and keyed cars either.
The unions will get the list and BNP members will be ousted or monitored by them, if not employers themselves. If they feel like joining their own union or working for their own people then we'll also know which businesses to boycott and employment to avoid. It's a logistical tool for monitoring fash, not an asskicking wishlist. That would be simply make them look like victims in all of this.
I know its easy to laugh at basement dwellers for not firebombing everything but the main use of the list is in outing the village racist and throwing bricks isnt going to convey the threat that these people pose themselves. On the subject of which, I notice that in the map I linked above, the Northern Irish ones are removed (possibly for fear of 'Dissident Republicans').

[Fidel Follower]

everyone runs around in circles for a while talking about how they are going to 'bash the fash' someone throws a brick and then nothing else.

Sorry to be a cynic, but this shite wont make a jot of difference. All it shows is that the BNP, even with the members they are about to lose, still has a bigger membership than most revolutionary left groups around the world and 10 times bigger membership than the biggest revolutionary left groups in the UK.

The list may majke some fash unemployed, but aside from that its quite depressing.

That's not true, many of the names are ex-party members and they are still on there to make the party seem larger than it actually is.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Not true. You can be in the BNP and be a teacher, squaddie, health care worker etc. It will however be frowned upon and if you were sacked for being in the BNP, well, even as a lefty, I have to say that is pretty unfair. It's the ugly face of democracy and for one I'd hate to lose my job because I am red and black.


Sorry i dont to the "do unto others as others would do unto to you " shit. I like it when my enemies are cold hungry and jobless. I dont want a fair fight.

[Vanguard1917]

Excellent I hope many lose their jobs.

So you think it's OK for employers to sack workers because of their political beliefs?

As much as i despise the BNP and everything it stands for, calling on employers to decide which political opinions are and aren't acceptable for the workforce is totally unacceptable and reactionary. Anyone who calls upon employers to sack workers based on their beliefs is no friend of working class people or the cause of working class political independence.

[Dr Mindbender]

Group created. Sorry for delay, don't get out of work till 5pm. Hope we're not too late to get this shit up.

[Holden Caulfield]

So you think it's OK for employers to sack workers because of their political beliefs?
in a sense no i dont, but then again i think people who are actively rascist/prejudiced and members of a white nationalist party should not be allowed to be police officers, teachers even civil servants, for obvious reasons,

[Holden Caulfield]

MORE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS AHEAD FOR BNP MEMBERS (http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=114)

As dawn broke today, Wednesday 19th November, we imagine there are an awful lot of bleary-eyed BNP activists, lacking sleep for worrying about precisely what will happen to them next.

After Antifa obtained the BNP’’Security Manual’ (see issue 1 of the Antifa newsletter No Pasaran!) we warned BNP members: “If you are relying on the BNP’security apparatus to protect you from antifascists, you have backed a loser.” After the entire BNP membership list was published online - including the names, addresses, phone numbers, and personal details of party members - we imagine there are some who wished they’d listened, and many more who curse the day they’d ever heard of Nick Griffin.

The BNP membership list was placed on the internet last weekend, and as word got out, panic quickly began to spread in BNP circles, with near hysterical postings on fascist internet blogs and forums. As usual, feuding fascists also began to post up each others names and addresses.

While Searchlight-affiliated antifascist groups reported the story, they failed to divulge the list or disclose the internet link allowing access to it. It was left to militant antifascists to openly publicise the material, despite the belated efforts of the BNP leadership to prevent this (somewhat like trying to close the stable gate after the horse, or in this case around 10,000 of them, has long since bolted we think.)

Antifascists are already having a field day with the information obtained, and look set to do so for the foreseeable future. It not only contains the personal details of the BNP rank and file (the Nazi Next Door so to speak), but those of leading BNP activists, the BNP ‘security’ team, and even those of Nick Griffin himself.

Incorporated in the list are the employment details of many members, including a number of cops, teachers, screws, social workers, and members of the armed forces, who could very well now be sacked for being members of this discriminatory racist party. According to the list, a Mrs Yvette Bettley of Prenton, Merseyside, has “employment concerns” as she is a serving copper. We imagine you’re considerably more concerned today Yvette.

Other personal information is also given. We are, for example, told that Mr Ian Underwood of Gillingham will not be renewing his membership because he objects to being told he can no longer wear a bomber jacket! As well as that Mr Paul Shaddick of Glastonbury may be a potential embarrassment to the party as he is a practicing witch! Antifa imagines that the BNP are considerably more embarrassed after being so careless with their entire membership list.

If Nick Griffin is to stop his members resigning in droves he’ll certainly have a lot of work to do over the coming months. Nothing however, compared to the amount of work BT are going to have to do changing the phone numbers of angry BNP members. Nor compared to the work that glaziers, painters and decorators, and car re-sprayers may well be called upon to do around the country.

It will be a long time before the fascists of the British National Party sleep soundly in their beds again.

www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

[Holden Caulfield]

MORE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS AHEAD FOR BNP MEMBERS (http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=114)

As dawn broke today, Wednesday 19th November, we imagine there are an awful lot of bleary-eyed BNP activists, lacking sleep for worrying about precisely what will happen to them next.

After Antifa obtained the BNP’’Security Manual’ (see issue 1 of the Antifa newsletter No Pasaran!) we warned BNP members: “If you are relying on the BNP’security apparatus to protect you from antifascists, you have backed a loser.” After the entire BNP membership list was published online - including the names, addresses, phone numbers, and personal details of party members - we imagine there are some who wished they’d listened, and many more who curse the day they’d ever heard of Nick Griffin.

The BNP membership list was placed on the internet last weekend, and as word got out, panic quickly began to spread in BNP circles, with near hysterical postings on fascist internet blogs and forums. As usual, feuding fascists also began to post up each others names and addresses.

While Searchlight-affiliated antifascist groups reported the story, they failed to divulge the list or disclose the internet link allowing access to it. It was left to militant antifascists to openly publicise the material, despite the belated efforts of the BNP leadership to prevent this (somewhat like trying to close the stable gate after the horse, or in this case around 10,000 of them, has long since bolted we think.)

Antifascists are already having a field day with the information obtained, and look set to do so for the foreseeable future. It not only contains the personal details of the BNP rank and file (the Nazi Next Door so to speak), but those of leading BNP activists, the BNP ‘security’ team, and even those of Nick Griffin himself.

Incorporated in the list are the employment details of many members, including a number of cops, teachers, screws, social workers, and members of the armed forces, who could very well now be sacked for being members of this discriminatory racist party. According to the list, a Mrs Yvette Bettley of Prenton, Merseyside, has “employment concerns” as she is a serving copper. We imagine you’re considerably more concerned today Yvette.

Other personal information is also given. We are, for example, told that Mr Ian Underwood of Gillingham will not be renewing his membership because he objects to being told he can no longer wear a bomber jacket! As well as that Mr Paul Shaddick of Glastonbury may be a potential embarrassment to the party as he is a practicing witch! Antifa imagines that the BNP are considerably more embarrassed after being so careless with their entire membership list.

If Nick Griffin is to stop his members resigning in droves he’ll certainly have a lot of work to do over the coming months. Nothing however, compared to the amount of work BT are going to have to do changing the phone numbers of angry BNP members. Nor compared to the work that glaziers, painters and decorators, and car re-sprayers may well be called upon to do around the country.

It will be a long time before the fascists of the British National Party sleep soundly in their beds again.

www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

[Holden Caulfield]

i strongly suggest you read this one

The surprise release of the entire BNP membership online continues to dominate the news today.

Since the release, Nick Griffin has confirmed that the list is a genuine one and the BNP is already sending out warnings trying to stop it being distributed:

We have already sent formal demands to the web hosts to remove the list, pointing out to them that the fact that the publication of this year-old list constitutes Contempt of Court.

Simon Darby, BNP number two, goes a bit further (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5183833.ece):

"If we find out the name of the person who published this list, it will turn out to be one of the most foolish things they have done in their life. I wouldn’t want to have done that — I wouldn’t be sleeping very well tonight."

They're wasting their breath.

Despite the threats and bluster from the BNP it's too late, the entire list is out in the open and anyone who wants a copy can easily find it on Google.

The repercussions are already starting. Yesterday was marked by the sound of thousands of racists screaming themselves silly, today has seen the first direct consequences of the list leaking out with a Liverpool copper facing the sack (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5187551.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1) and a Green Party member and former candidate who is probably answering some awkward questions from Green Party HQ (http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/11/18/black-shirt-brown-shirt-green-shirt/).

The speed of developments raises the obvious question of strategy and what to do with the list for anti-fascists.

Firstly, I've you not already done so have a scan through the list and have a good laugh. There are some real gems on there in the comments next to members names. Highlights include:



A self-proclaimed witch.
The suggestion that a mental health nurse take a look at BNP legal 'expert' Lee Barnes.
One guy who loves England so much he emigrated to Poland.
A resident of Cable Street
Someone with suits of medieval armour offering to joust for rallies.
Several requests for 'discretion' because of their employment.
Secondly, it's very important to note that the list probably isn't that accurate. Since it includes the membership details of people like Councillors' Sadie Graham and Colin Auty it must date from before December 2007 as there is no reason why the BNP would keep the membership details of people they've expelled as 'traitors'.

Despite lots of claims online that it must be this years membership list since there are references to events in 2008 I doubt this is the case. There are only a few possible references to 2008, in a year that has been a very active one for the BNP and one where they have surely recruited hundreds, but dozens referring to 2007.

The above means there are lots of people on the list who are not members of the BNP. The latest minutes of the BNP's advisory council reports that membership renewal rates remain very low, 24% in July and 29% in August.
This list does not represents only a snapshot of the BNP not it's current strength and definitely not a list of legitimate targets, for anti-fascists or, more likely, employers.

As the sackings have already started socialists should make one thing clear: we are not in the business of trying to get employers to sack people.

There is a long and disgraceful history of working-class militants, generally communists, getting the sack and being black-listed by companies, particularly in the building trade, because of their political beliefs. This should be enough to persuade leftists not to get involved in any campaign to sack members of the BNP.

BNP members in positions of power over others, like social workers, coppers and prison officers, should be confronted politically. This does not mean we should seek to out fascists at work and aim to then persuade employers to sack them.

This goes hand in hand with the strategy of appealing to the state to take action against the BNP and wanting an expansion of state to power to do so. This is strategy of expecting someone else to take on the role of anti-fascists, it is an admission of weakness on our part. Not a good idea. In addition to this, greater state and employer powers to sack people will quickly be turned on working-class militants fighting pay cuts, redundancies and privatisation in the current economic climate.

Tactics like this can easily back-fire as it looks like anti-fascists are joining hands with employers to 'victimise' fascists. Any campaign aimed at removing fascists from certain jobs must have the support of other people who work in the same place, a lot more hard work is needed than ringing up the management and demanding they sack all Nazis.

Ian Bone goes further than this in a good post and argues (http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/dont-sack-the-bnp-teachers):

"Does anyone seriously believe that sacking a BNP teacher in Dagenham at present would be a blow against fascism? Will the predictable parachuting in of chanting SWP ‘ANTI-NAZI’ lollipops outside the local school to get a teacher sacked do anything to advance the cause of anti-fascism?"

As I said in the comments, I disagree here. Teachers will be sacked not because of their political affiliation but because they are racist. Being a racist is incompatible
with being a teacher in the same way that being a paedophile should prevent someone becoming a teacher. That should be obvious.

The list might seem like Christmas come early for anti-fascists but it's not as straightforward as it seems and it raises a lot of difficult questions about how the information is already being used.

N.B also not my article,

[Vendetta]

Good 2 articles, HC.

Anyone still actually have the list, or a working link to it?

[Dr Mindbender]

If anyone has details, join this group and post here, i didnt set it up for the good of my health y'know...
:rolleyes:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/bnp-watch-f213/index.html

[Jazzratt]

Well if some of that lot are sacked it will be putting a stop to useless anti-immigrant racists taking jobs from honest folk. :)

[Vanguard1917]

The second article posted by Holden Caulfieldis is absolutely right that socialists should not be in the business of trying to get workers sacked for their political beliefs. Employers should not be granted powers to act as arbiters of the political views of the workforce. It is simply shameful that some on the left, people who should know better, are appealing for employers to be granted such powers.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

It is also downloadable in the torrent website 'the pirate bay', just search 'BNP'.

lets hope they are removed from any public positions they hold.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Its actually quite funny searching places you have lived in the past. i have seen one person i went to school with so far from my home town.

[K.Bullstreet]

I think the Antifa article is tops :thumbup1:. Good stuff.

May I suggest comrades, whatever you decide to do or take part in, keep your heads on and stay safe. :rolleyes:

Lets make the most of it! :lol:

[Sean]

The second article posted by Holden Caulfieldis is absolutely right that socialists should not be in the business of trying to get workers sacked for their political beliefs. Employers should not be granted powers to act as arbiters of the political views of the workforce. It is simply shameful that some on the left, people who should know better, are appealing for employers to be granted such powers.

This is true to a degree, however in the same way sex attackers can't be trusted with children, people with confirmed racist beliefs cannot be expected to be employed anywhere where equality is an issue. Its a cheap shot, I know, but in vocasions like teaching or medical work, you're in a position where you have to be completely impartial. Someone who declares their political stance as getting skinheads out of the country shouldnt be put into a position like that either.

[Module]

One of the member's notes:
" Report from Mike Howson 2/8/07: member describes himself as a witch: potential embarrassment if active"
:lol:

[Holden Caulfield]

The second article posted by Holden Caulfieldis is absolutely right that socialists should not be in the business of trying to get workers sacked for their political beliefs. Employers should not be granted powers to act as arbiters of the political views of the workforce. It is simply shameful that some on the left, people who should know better, are appealing for employers to be granted such powers.


it is important to remember that it says pressure from the workers should force the changes, rather then relying on bosses. Rascists should not be allowed to be teachers, police officers, civil servants etc.

[Dr Mindbender]

Im just glad the BNP werent successful in getting the list out of our hands.


Phew! :thumbup1:

[Dóchas]

were can you view the actual list of memebers of the BNP?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/0ea85b/b/4/h/ac3d0a620a3de4b2eee855280d1fd2d22975d29a/e/ac3d0a620a3de4b2eee855280d1fd2d22975d29a/j/0/n/bnp_zip

[Kami]

I find the news coverage on the BBC of this hilarious. One BNP member commented it was like living in a fascist society, and another said it would lead to victimization. My Ironyometer exploded

[Dóchas]

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/0ea85b/b/4/h/ac3d0a620a3de4b2eee855280d1fd2d22975d29a/e/ac3d0a620a3de4b2eee855280d1fd2d22975d29a/j/0/n/bnp_zip

is there any sources that one isnt working for me? :confused:

[revolution inaction]

is there any sources that one isnt working for me? :confused:

Now the blog page has been taken down, and wikileaks.org/ is overloaded but you can still get the list at

http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/

in a txt file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4517770/British_National_Party_(BNP)_membership_list_Nov_2 008

in an excel file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519176/BNP_Membership_list_nov_2008_excel_.xls

and in a sql file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519007/British_National_Party_(BNP)_membership_list_Nov_2 008_(SQL_VERSI

i have not checked the torrents against the original copy but the first web sight looks like the original list but in a different order

[Holden Caulfield]

a map that shows how many in each region
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2008/nov/19/bnp

[Dr Mindbender]

apparently Morley and Rothell is the most fascist place in the country.

Come on Morley and Rothell antifa, pull your socks up! :blink:

[RosaParks21]

I am glad this list has become public becos now I know that people who pretend to be nice to my face are really racists. I want to do something about this now and I thought it would be a good start to come here after finding this site on google.

[Holden Caulfield]

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[Sean]

Heads up, Redwatch will be posting up anyone found "persecuting nationalists" very shortly. http://www.redwatch.org/

Keep a watch on that site. Lets see if they can get a list of 12,793 'Reds'. :D

[Holden Caulfield]

LONDON - BNP AWARD NOMINATIONS

http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/images/2008/11/19/bnpt_245436c.jpg



You may have heard about the leaking of a comprehensive list (http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/) of all the BNP's members on Tuesday. Well all those guys are really pissed off about the whole thing and all the members are fretting about losing their jobs or having hoards of swan eating (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-521710/Swan-bake-carcasses-piles-feathers-cooking-pots-migrants-camp.html) mafia immigrants burn their houses down. But everyone has overlooked the really amazing thing about the list, and that is the fascinating notes about the hobbies and activities of BNP members. They sure are an ecclectic lot. Sort of. Our friend Tony went through the list of and pulled the best ones out for special mention. Here are his BNP award nominations.


"THE MIND BOGGLES" AWARD:
Mr Darren Charles. Activist. Membership suspended 20.9.05 (inappropriate tattoo). Suspension lifted 27.09.05 (WHAT WAS IT? A Dr. DRE TATTOO?)

BEST EMAIL ADDRESS:
Mr Tim Rudge. [email protected]

BEST EMAIL ADDRESS (Runner up):
Mr Doug Thwaites. [email protected]

USEFUL SKILLS AWARD (1):
Mr Vernon Atkinson. Activist - Makes kites with BNP logos.

USEFUL SKILLS AWARD (2):
Mr Ronald Anthony Frankland. Activist - Qualified firefighter, farrier, equine dentist. Semi-retired.

BEST ALL ALL ROUNDER AWARD: Mr Rod Chapman. Window cleaner. Former pig farmer. Pagan prison chaplain. Hobbies: growing mistletoe, rune making (wood).


THEY'LL LET ANYONE IN THESE DAYS AWARD: Paul Shaddick. Report from Mike Howson 2/8/07: member describes himself as a witch: potential embarrassment if active.
THE ARISTOCRACY IS ALIVE & WELL AWARD: Lord Adam Murray. [email protected] Activist - Business owner (antiquities). Pubic speaker. Has two suits of medieval 14th & 15th century armour and can joust for rallies.

this is from vice magazine, which i both love and hate (http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/2008/11/london---bnp-aw.html)

[Sean]

Some runners up ex-members:

Mr Anthony R*****: Will not be renewing 07 ("Jehova God only real hope for mankind") Company director
Mrs Molly D****: Will not be renewing 07 - took exception to being asked to contact another similarly aged lady member!Ok, that's the sillyness out of my system, theres work to be done. On the subject of people leaving the party, there are 112 people who were not renewing in 2007 and yet they keep their data?

[Dóchas]

Now the blog page has been taken down, and wikileaks.org/ is overloaded but you can still get the list at

http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/

in a txt file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4517770/British_National_Party_(BNP)_membership_list_Nov_2 008

in an excel file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519176/BNP_Membership_list_nov_2008_excel_.xls

and in a sql file

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519007/British_National_Party_(BNP)_membership_list_Nov_2 008_(SQL_VERSI

i have not checked the torrents against the original copy but the first web sight looks like the original list but in a different order

thanks that one worked:)

[PRC-UTE]

The second article posted by Holden Caulfieldis is absolutely right that socialists should not be in the business of trying to get workers sacked for their political beliefs. Employers should not be granted powers to act as arbiters of the political views of the workforce. It is simply shameful that some on the left, people who should know better, are appealing for employers to be granted such powers.

have to agree here.

[PostAnarchy]

As a Yank I only have a vague familarity with the BNP - British National Party.

Question - Is there any movement to try to ban them outright if they are openly racist and white supremacist??

[spartan]

As a Yank I only have a vague familarity with the BNP - British National Party.

Question - Is there any movement to try to ban them outright if they are openly racist and white supremacist??

Mainstream politicians seemed to be in favour of prohibiting membership of the BNP and Islamist groups when it comes to the police, health service and teaching profession, well at least that was what I deduced on a political talk show which I have been watching.

I guess one guy summed it up best when he said "at the end of the day would you want your impressionable young child taught by a BNP member? Because I know I wouldn't!".

[PostAnarchy]

Thanks! :)

[Vanguard1917]

Mainstream politicians seemed to be in favour of prohibiting membership of the BNP and Islamist groups on a political talk show which I have been watching.

I guess one guy summed it up best when he said "at the end of the day would you want your impressionable young child taught by a BNP member? Because I know I wouldn't!".

A friend of mine's niece apparently came home one day from school talking about how she learnt that the world is overpopulated and that this is causing food shortages and starvation, clearly by a teacher echoing the dominant, immensely reactionary neo-Malthusian ideology of mainstream ruling class politics. Apparently, such things are on the official school curriculum now.

So those 'mainstream politicians' should worry about their own politics and what they're teaching our children, rather than obsessing about the effects of one or two teachers with BNP membership.

And i'd much rather my children be taught by a BNP member who keeps his or her personal opinions outside of the classroom, than by someone who brainwashes kids with reactionary nonsense and passing it off as fact with official government sanction.

[PostAnarchy]

http://www.redwatch.org/

Keep a watch on that site. Lets see if they can get a list of 12,793 'Reds'. :D


Doubt it - thinking no here.

[Holden Caulfield]

red watch is a fucking joke, i wouldnt worry just because the fascists might have a picture of you, doesnt mean you shouldnt try to be safe as possible

[Sean]

Doubt it - thinking no here.


red watch is a fucking joke, i wouldnt worry just because the fascists might have a picture of you, doesnt mean you shouldnt try to be safe as possible
Well thats just what I was told. With so many non-activists now wanting a piece of the BNP, I hear a lot of this stuff. Not a lot the BNP could attempt in this country, I'm just spreading my tinfoil hattery around. Besides, they're still looking for Mike Reid of Triq Luigi Billion :D

[redguard2009]

If i were a religious man I'd say that god's shining down upon us for giving us this list. Fortunately, I'm not a religious man. However, this kind of oppurtunity does not come very often. This list has given British Antifa the first real possibility of shattering the fascist movement in England once and for all.

I would suggest to every British reader to print two copies of this list. First, wipe your ass with a copy. Second, look up your BNP neighbours and pay them a friendly visit.

[Melbourne Lefty]

This list has given British Antifa the first real possibility of shattering the fascist movement in England once and for all.


I disagree.

Go around beating up people for being BNP members privately [hehe!] then it will allow them to put themselves out there as the oppressed party.

Unless you are going to bomb them in their homes or something it really is not worth it, you probably wont even get a real believing nazi.

I suggest maildrops in areas surrounding their houses identifying them to the people who live near them.

Much nicer, and hopefully someone else will smack em and you wont have to get your hands dirty.

[Melbourne Lefty]

So you think it's OK for employers to sack workers because of their political beliefs?

As much as i despise the BNP and everything it stands for, calling on employers to decide which political opinions are and aren't acceptable for the workforce is totally unacceptable and reactionary. Anyone who calls upon employers to sack workers based on their beliefs is no friend of working class people or the cause of working class political independence.


scuffs feet...

yeah I guess you are right...

It does spoil the fun but I wouldnt want employers to have the power to sack people for their political beliefs, it would be the most dangerous precedent ever set when you think about it.

I WANT to see fash being thrown out on their arses, but a little voice in the back of my head says 'them today, us tomorrow'..

[redguard2009]

I disagree.

Go around beating up people for being BNP members privately [hehe!] then it will allow them to put themselves out there as the oppressed party.

Unless you are going to bomb them in their homes or something it really is not worth it, you probably wont even get a real believing nazi.

I suggest maildrops in areas surrounding their houses identifying them to the people who live near them.

Much nicer, and hopefully someone else will smack em and you wont have to get your hands dirty.

If your opposition to pro-actively defeating the BNP is that you don't want to get your hands dirty, then by all means, sit on the sidelines and when the time comes make sure you're ready to join up with the winner.


It does spoil the fun but I wouldnt want employers to have the power to sack people for their political beliefs, it would be the most dangerous precedent ever set when you think about it.

I WANT to see fash being thrown out on their arses, but a little voice in the back of my head says 'them today, us tomorrow'..

Of course we can't rely on the ruling classes and their infastructure to recognize the difference between an ideology of hatred, discrimination, genocide and imperialism, and one which directly threatens their way of life. But affording fascists some kind of arbitrary "defense" against scrutiny and persecution sets its own dangerous precedence. If we're going to sit by and throw our arms up and give fascists the freedom to build and mobilize and campaign then we might as well just grab a pistol with a single bullet in the chamber and end it now. Because I'm willing to bet my life that if the time ever comes when this fascist movement gains enough support and popularity to make a move for national control, idiots like us will be sitting around wishing that we had done something to stop them back when we had the chance.

Wait... wait a minute. That situation seems to ring a bell.. I believe... I believe I've heard that sentiment before, coming from German communists during the 1930s as the Nazis took over. Hell, I even remember ol' Adolf himself saying as much, when he noted that the German Nazi Party only exists because its opponents failed to crush it early on when they had the chance.

But hey, if repeating history is a goal of yours, thank hell I live on the other side of the pond, where our history lessons actually seem to do some good.

[Holden Caulfield]

by the way the blog i took the articles is this one (http://nation-of-duncan.blogspot.com/)

[redguard2009]

Well, I figured I'd do my part for internet warriorism so I contacted some employers of people on the list. Not many, just a few, but...

Just wanted to let everyone know that Barry Streater of 27 Ridgeway Berkhamstead, Hertfordshire, is no longer employed at Bushey Hall School in Watford. I'd like to take the credit, but he hasn't been working there for some years, apparently. Thanks to Sue from Bushey Hall for replying back to me to let me know! So no need to harass 'em!

[Holden Caulfield]

internet warriorism
i herd that the Red Army had a keyboard division.

omfg Stormfront viewing has killed my ability to use things such as fact, i have an urge to pull 'facts' out my arse and present them as truth

[Holden Caulfield]

This little gem is unusually from The Times Online but an absolute classic we're sure you'll agree!

"About four fifths of the members on the leaked BNP list are men and the most common names are John, David and Paul. Those three names accounted for just over 1,000 of the 12,801 names on the list. Susan was the most popular female name.

The postcode with the highest number of party members was NG16 – in northwest Nottingham – with 57. Among the more common professions listed by members are electrician, security consultant, former serviceman and IT specialist.

The data on the list was scrutinised by The Times, revealing a clear picture of the geographical spread. Two hotspots of membership emerged, around Leicester and Birmingham. The list was divided initially into postal districts, of which there are more than 2,000. About a quarter of the 2,166 postal districts in which registered BNP members say that they live had only one member. Only 20 had 30 or more.

Cross-referencing the list with socioeconomic data proved even more fruitful. According to analysis of the list by the Dr Foster health consultancy, which used social deprivation data from the Office for National Statistics, only 5 per cent of the party’s members live in areas with high Asian populations and only 2 per cent in areas with larger Afro-Caribbean communities. Eighteen per cent are from white working-class areas.

The analysis also shows that BNP membership is higher in areas that have average or above-average deprivation. As opposed to the 22 per cent of BNP members who live in areas with above-average deprivation, only 16 per cent live in the least-deprived areas.

About 1,000 BNP members described themselves as “activists”, including one who noted that he or she made “kites with BNP logos etc” and another who specified “discretion requested”.

After John, David and Paul, the next most popular names are Michael (330), Robert (262) and Peter (261). Susan was 51st on the list. "

Click here for The Times map of Geographical spread of the species known as the 'BNP member'. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5191424.ece)

www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

[politics student]

Edit removed:

Dr
Kenneth
Sullivan

Caught my eye.

In region and found little on him.

Lots of young people on there in my neck of the woods

[redSHARP]

i think our antifacist friends at /b/ would really love that list!:laugh::laugh:

[bcbm]

i think our antifacist friends at /b/ would really love that list!:laugh::laugh:

There are no antifa on /b/ and they got ahold of it ages ago.

[gorillafuck]

These responses are hilarious

Edit: That happened on my birthday, apparently

Best birthday ever.

[Sean]

Call me mad here, but I still don't know the legalities of posting these peoples names on a public board. If its illegal (and its not too late), I'd suggest removing all names and addresses from the threads, lest the owners get into shit about it.

[bcbm]

Or just forward the info to non-UK users and have them post it. The forum is German and a number of us are from non-UK countries. Good luck getting me extradited from the US for that shit. :lol:

[benhur]

Despite all this, the bnp has more members than any leftist party. They win elections, their popularity is steadily increasing among working class:(, whereas in our case, there's too much infighting, sectarianism, and our reluctance to participate in the democratic process (at least initially to gain some strength) makes people lose faith in us, and instead look upon bnp (or any other fascist party) as the workers party.

Similar to what happened in Germany. Socialists failed to capitalize on the circumstances, but the nazis projected themsevles as the champion of the working class:crying:, and got everyone on their side.

Point is, we tend to be too inflexible, too idealistic, and all this makes us look like impractical dreamers in front of people. Which is why, we're not even taken seriously by the govts., they'd rather view the fash as the threat, because they feel we're too insignificant to be a threat in any event.:(

[Melbourne Lefty]

Despite all this, the bnp has more members than any leftist party. They win elections, their popularity is steadily increasing among working class:(, whereas in our case, there's too much infighting, sectarianism, and our reluctance to participate in the democratic process (at least initially to gain some strength) makes people lose faith in us, and instead look upon bnp (or any other fascist party) as the workers party.

yup, this is what scares me.


Similar to what happened in Germany. Socialists failed to capitalize on the circumstances, but the nazis projected themsevles as the champion of the working class:crying:, and got everyone on their side.

In this case its more a matter of the BNP spending all their time doorknocking instead of marching, perhaps someone should look into that...:rolleyes:


Point is, we tend to be too inflexible, too idealistic, and all this makes us look like impractical dreamers in front of people. Which is why, we're not even taken seriously by the govts., they'd rather view the fash as the threat, because they feel we're too insignificant to be a threat in any event.:(

Not really, if the revolutionary left was to follow the tactics of the BNP I think in places like Britain our groups would quickly overtake theirs.

[Holden Caulfield]

LONDON - THE BNP GOES FROM STRENGTH TO STRENGTH:blink:
http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/images/2008/11/28/bnp2.jpg (http://vice.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/28/bnp2.jpg)

Remember these handsome guys? They are members of the BNP and they were shot a couple of years ago at some rally to protest against all the muslims in Christian churches. They did such a good job that today, in 2008, the Koran is STILL not being taught by any vicars, priests or nuns or in any way being connected with God and the baby Jesus.

Despite their amazing work, some critics said that their look was a little dated and that maybe the BNP should have a look at updating their style and general something something about public image. So we were delighted to receive a new photo of some BNP members who were snapped by one of our friends shortly after putting one of their totally brilliant leaflets with hardly any spelling mistakes in through his front letter box.

Click through to see the new faces of reasonable hate.
http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/images/2008/11/28/bnp3_2.jpg (http://vice.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/28/bnp3_2.jpg)

Check it out Mr. Brown and Mr. Cameron. The BNP are shaping up. With fresh young members and cunning use of fake tan and hair dye, the new face of the BNP is one we're very excited about and one we're destined to see grinning from the steps of Downing Street soon.

If we looked this good we wouldn't be moaning about having our phone numbers and emails released on the internet. (http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/2008/11/london---bnp-aw.html)

Look at that photo and imagine listening to Starship's 'Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PP1HEFlkdY). The future's bright, the future's white.

from vice magazine, i dont like the article much but i'll post it anyhoo (http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/2008/11/london---the-bn.html)

[Killfacer]

Tragic ugliness.

[Holden Caulfield]

true story, some clever sort sent a Christmas card to there local list memeber with some flour in it, and 'anthrax' and a few swastikas written on it, he was admitted to hospital as a precaution.

[Dóchas]

true story, some clever sort sent a Christmas card to there local list memebr with some flour in it and 'anthrax' and a few swastikas written on it, he was admitted to hospital as a precaution.

thats fuckin hilarious!! :lol: what was the "anthrax" really?

[Dr Mindbender]

Despite all this, the bnp has more members than any leftist party. They win elections, their popularity is steadily increasing among working class:(, whereas in our case, there's too much infighting, sectarianism, and our reluctance to participate in the democratic process (at least initially to gain some strength) makes people lose faith in us, and instead look upon bnp (or any other fascist party) as the workers party.


I dont think that necessarilly proves the BNP are 'stronger' per se, what i think its symptomic of as you rightly said, a comparitive lack of sectarianism within the far right. I think the BNP is viewed as the paragon of pseudo-fascism while fringe fash parties like the BPP are viewed as a joke. Heck, leftist parties could probably be taking these seats if they got their fingers out of their arses but as it stands (bar the SWP perhaps but that gave up on the electoral road a long time ago) there is no clear leftist vehicle and instead we have all these stupid reformist coalitions besides which; we have far too much idealogical handbag fighting. I was involved in the now dead Socialist alliance when it first started up (what was probably viewed in some respects as the forerunner to Respect) many of us viewed it as a travesty that we didnt contest the same seats as the BNP.

I think in many spheres of leftist activity there is a fear of competing against the fash in elections for fear of 'splitting the vote' -I think this is a comfort zone we need to get out of.

[jaffe]

So you think voting wil solve anything?

[Dr Mindbender]

So you think voting wil solve anything?

I think voting can serve as a means merely to keeping out the fascists, and partly it can be used to highlight the prescence of a leftist alternative but beyond that no, we're never going to 'elect' communism. The masses will decide when it is time for that, not the beourgioise electoral machine.

[jaffe]

so why pressing on voting then?
I think one of the main reasons people vote for right wing populist partys is because of their dissapointment in 'regular' partys.

[Dr Mindbender]

so why pressing on voting then?
I think one of the main reasons people vote for right wing populist partys is because of their dissapointment in 'regular' partys.

also because of the absence of a lefttist alternative. The average bnp voter doesnt do so out of racism but because they`re genuinely angered at the 3 stooges performance of the central parties.

I think its also worth remembering that had the soviet union allowed the german left of 1928 to form a united coalition they could have defeated the nazis via democratic means instead of splitting the vote. Now while i`m not saying germany would necessarilly have become communist can you imagine what might have been if this had happened? :)

[Socialist Scum]

Only 2 live in my town, and they are husband and wife. Not a far walk either. How short this list is... well it's surprising. I expected far more.

[jaffe]

also because of the absence of a lefttist alternative. The average bnp voter doesnt do so out of racism but because they`re genuinely angered at the 3 stooges performance of the central parties.
But I thought there was a leftwing alternative in Brittain (respect). Did it work?


I think its also worth remembering that had the soviet union allowed the german left of 1928 to form a united coalition they could have defeated the nazis via democratic means instead of splitting the vote. Now while i`m not saying germany would necessarilly have become communist can you imagine what might have been if this had happened? :)
The reason that the Weimar republic turned into nazi germany has more reasons. The nazis weren't even voten in!
And esspecialy in the Weimar republic where the social democrats were responsible for the death of 2 important revolutionarys it's really hard to imagine that a united coalition could ever exist.

[Holden Caulfield]

But I thought there was a leftwing alternative in Brittain (respect). Did it work? RESPECT (SWP) didnt work, they didnt connect with the people, pigeon holed themselves as an pro-islamic party and their line was "we wont do anything to stop the BNP but vote for us and then we can stop them, oh and btw join UAF"


And esspecialy in the Weimar republic where the social democrats were responsible for bla bla bla... Ulster, the SPD at this time had already show it was not the party of the workers, it had since the first world war, they were becoming the epoch equivilant of British Labour, the left could have united to violently over throw the state with the aid of strike action but the SPD had shown in its support for WW1 that it was willing to sacrifice workers in defence of the state. The SPD under Ebert comissioned the Freikorps violence and used the army to crush dissent, they allowed and encourages the judiciaries massive bias against the left and much more.

voting SPD wasnt really the best idea, the 'real' left could have united, those revolutionaries in Berlin, Munich, the Ruhr, Keil etc could have overthrown the state it properly organised and led, however they were not.



The average bnp voter doesnt do so out of racism
really? because when i said this i think you called them scum a few times posted a pic out Auschwitz and then threw even more bullshit remarks around.

[Dr Mindbender]

really? because when i said this i think you called them scum a few times posted a pic out Auschwitz and then threw even more bullshit remarks around.

well you thought incorrectly, you said we should contemplate debating with fringe BNP members , I called BNP members scum, not their voters per se, but you insisted on confusing the 2 which is what led to that silly argument.

[Sam_b]

RESPECT (SWP) didnt work, they didnt connect with the people, pigeon holed themselves as an pro-islamic party and their line was "we wont do anything to stop the BNP but vote for us and then we can stop them, oh and btw join UAF"

Its a shame I have to de-rail and make this point yet again to you Holden: but you have never been able to give any proof as to how RESPECT is some sort of SWP front.

So until you do, which I doubt, please refrain from associating ourselves solely with this organisation, as you've done so many times in an attempt to slander our party. Thanks.

[anti-authoritarian]

30-odd living near me... (should I be pleased or worried? :laugh:)

[GeezAF]

30-odd living near me... (should I be pleased or worried? :laugh:)

Depends how much you enjoy starting fires :laugh:

But seriously though, I can't believe there's none where I live. I mean, it's a tory safeseat (last time a different party held a council, it was Lloyd George's Liberal Party back in the 1920's) and there's even BNP graffitti on the walls.

Nearest members are cambridge and peterborough. :glare: long

[Dr Mindbender]

there was about 4 or 5 living in my town, all from the same family. Scary. :blink:

[Killfacer]

Couple near me in bedminster. Not many though.

[Chapter 24]

I know this is a fairly old thread but Jazzratt's post about cowardice of BNP members who feel threatened by the list's publication really does show in this situation. At least the leftist crowd for the most part has the "balls" to show up at demonstations, stand in solidarity with striking workers, go to rallies, give speeches, etc. The membership of the political right may be more united than the left, but ultimately they need that kind of unity so that they aren't as weak as they really would be if they were seperated. Not that I'm apologizing for petty sectarianism, but honestly - it really doesn't seem like the people who post here who are on Redwatch and related sites, really give a shit.

[welshred]

I agree with lightning, a lot of them are really shitting themselves about the list. One one of the discussion sites about the list there was one quote that made me laugh, "shit, now the reds have the list"

[OneNamedNameLess]

Has anyone reacted to this yet?

You know, has there been harassment of the members on the list at all? :D

[welshred]

yes, there was some stuff one the news about a few windows on houses having bricks thrown through them and cars set on fire. I think it has died down now tho..

[OneNamedNameLess]

yes, there was some stuff one the news about a few windows on houses having bricks thrown through them and cars set on fire. I think it has died down now tho..

Atrocious behaviour :rolleyes:

[Holden Caulfield]

To witness his behaviour on the racialist internet forum Stormfront, you might not guess that moderator 'Jock Oldham' was in fact a convicted soccer hooligan. I thought the British National Party, of which he is a member, had "modernised". 'Jock Oldham' is in fact Mr John Shearer of 11 Norwood Crescent, Royston, Oldham, Lancashire, OL2 6AT. Telephone: 07780 524780 E-mail: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/img/maillink.gif [email protected]

[OneNamedNameLess]

Bet you he was getting stuck in at the race riots there a few years back.