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cleef
18th November 2008, 13:26
I was just wondering how would one acquire items which might be considered a luxury in a communist society?
(Such as a television, radio, games console, computer, artwork materials etc.)
Would this be forbade by a communist society as they would not be seen as a necessity?
If not then how would items of such expense be paid for?

ZeroNowhere
18th November 2008, 13:32
Communist government? I think you're confusing communism with state capitalism here.

cleef
18th November 2008, 13:37
Communist government? I think you're confusing communism with state capitalism here.

sorry yes that was the wrong turn of phrase
in a communist society i mean...

Tower of Bebel
18th November 2008, 13:46
What makes something considered luxury is the stage of development we live in. Capitalism operates in such a way that some products are luxury while other products are cheap or ordinary. Some products cost much and other products cost less. A communist production relation is totally different because capital and wage slavery are abolished. The standards for luxury will be totally different, so I can't really answer your question because I don't know what could be considered luxurious in a society without capital.

ZeroNowhere
18th November 2008, 13:47
Well, I seriously doubt it would be forbidden. We are not a primmo.
Otherwise, it depends on what system one supports, labour credits or 'free access'. Of course, generally there may be variations, such as, say, in a system of labour credits one may still attempt to give everybody access to a computer and the internet, if they want it, as it's a pretty important tool to spread ideas and of immeasurable help to a democratic society (yes, even 4chan. Maybe.) Computers are pretty important in modern times, I wouldn't consider them merely a 'luxury'. The same for television. I wouldn't get one, but it can be pretty useful, and perhaps if we actually get some programs put up for more than profits like most of the crap on today, it would be worth getting, as well as for news and such (and a Playstation or whatever, if you're into that). The same for a lot of stuff currently considered a 'luxury', actually.

gorillafuck
18th November 2008, 22:56
I was just wondering how would one acquire items which might be considered a luxury in a communist society?
(Such as a television, radio, games console, computer, artwork materials etc.)
Would this be forbade by a communist society as they would not be seen as a necessity?
If not then how would items of such expense be paid for?
Entertainment is required to live a happy life. We aren't primitivists, here. We just don't need insane amounts of luxury.

Poison
19th November 2008, 19:08
Well...it would make sense to have less of things like excercise machines, gaming consoles, TVs, etc. Such things would probably be shared by the community instead of one per person. For example, I'm working on an anarcho-communist commune in Iowa with a few others I'll probably post on later...being middle class I've got quite a few TVs, a PS3, and some other things to bring over, which we'll all be sharing.

But yes, no reason they should be "banned", hehe. As gopher pointed out...entertainment is vital. Just as musicians, artists, thinkers, dancers, performers, actors, game designers, etc, should be considered vital workers as long as people actually value them. We need these things to stay happy.

PostAnarchy
21st November 2008, 19:16
Communist government? I think you're confusing communism with state capitalism here.

QFT. When there is a state there can be no freedom. :)