Communism is a Mental Disorder - In case Comrade RAF missed

[Ghost Writer]

Mental health professionals label a behavior as psychologically disordered when it is judged to be atypical, disturbing, maladaptive, and unjustifiable.

Atypical behavior must be disturbing to others to be considered disordered. Considering the fact that very few people actually subscribe to the teachings of Marx; and those that do are actually a small minority of the population, which hold views and engage in acts that horrify the rest of society, communists definitely fit those two criteria. Their thinking, and the behavior that follows is not only atypical, but is judged, by most, to be disturbing. Thus, communism fits those two criteria of a psychological disorder.

Oh course, the standards vary from culture to culture, but seeing as how I live in the United States I will take an ethnocentric perspective, in this case. American culture is the datum I will use to gauge what people consider to be disturbing. In this case, my assertion still stands.

Next, we move onto what is considered to be maladaptive. This is behavior that consistently produces negative results for those who practice it. A good example would be a man who continually pounds his head into a wall, regardless of the pain he feels. Maladaptive behavior is key to labeling a mental disorder. It must be disabling or distressing and increase the risk of suffering. Considering the historical pattern of Marxist-Leninist ideology, its effect of the economy, the death toll it produces, and the overall suffering of the people living under its edicts, it most certainly qualifies. Anyone who would subscribe to this thinking, especially with knowledge of the historical scorecard, is a nervous wreck, as they suggest a political theory analogous to the beating of one's head against the wall.

Finally, we must determine whether or not communism is justifiable. Of course, any rational human being will acknowledge the basic human rights of all people. Marx's ten recommendations for the implementation of a socialist state are suspect since many of them counter the fundamental rights of human beings, such as property ownership, or the right to keep what one earns. Marx's views on property take us all back to a political perspective alive and well prior to the Magna Carta. Is communism justifiable? I think not. Again we can look to the human toll this ideology has caused throughout the 20th century to answer one of the criteria for a behavior to be labeled disordered. Were the abolition of property, and the forced equality of people worth the 100,000,000 people who died as a result? Again, any rational person would answer that question negatively.

Since, we have analyzed the merits of communism by the four major criteria to determine whether or not a behavior is disordered, and answered each of them positively, we can conclude that communists do, in fact, suffer from a mental disorder. I only fear that there is no cure for their particularly severe variety.

"I have a Ph.D. and have never heard of any psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist ever say something so utterly absurd." -Comrade RAF

As for the Comrade RAF, Ph.D's, statement. He is, not surprisingly, wrong. In fact, psychologists agree that all behaviors are caused by genetic, physiological, and environmental factors. I am sure that even the most uneducated among us will recognize this as the age-old nature vs. nurture debate. In the psychological profession most people concede that both nature and nurture play a role. The question has to do with the relative degree each one actually plays. As any 1st grade student could tell, I happen to take the view that the behavior of communists has more to do with a genetic defect than environmental factors. That being said; I do not rule out environmental factors altogether. I am sure the communist gene has skipped a generation, and had the child been given up for adoption it would have turned out normal. However, the environmental factors of having a demented parent overruled any chance of a normal life for the child. The child who looked to its major influence for guidance then mimicked the disturbing behavior of the parent, only to have its mind crippled. Whatever the cause of this mental disorder, it is an unfortunate disease that must be attacked more ferociously than we attack the AIDS virus.

By the way, for someone with a Ph.D, you certainly aren't up to date on the psychological literature; are you? It is well documented that anxiety disorders, mood disorders, schizophrenia, and personality disorders do exhibit signs of genetic predisposition. Please tell me were you received your Ph.D from, so I can remember to rule them out as a possibility for my graduate studies.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:59 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Dhul Fiqar]

Bullshit, my neighbour's dog insist I am perfectly sane, and I trust him. He wrote the declaration of independance after all.

--- G.

[Pete]

This is dumber than what Millenium was preaching GW. Basically what you are talking about is a social science theory that says that instead of changing society as people change, we should change the people. Sociology, your best friend.

Your numbers have no support, and I would suggest that you stop using them.

As for the rest of your arguement, I don't care to reply to it as it is on the basis of what the left/right usually argue about and I don't want to waste my breathe.

[Bianconero]

Marx's ten recommendations for the implementation of a socialist state are suspect since many of them counter the fundamental rights of human beings, such as property ownership, or the right to keep what one earns.

Too true. That's why we should keep up the idea of private property concerning all means of production as exploitation, starvation and genozide are "fundamental rights of human beings"?

You are funny, that I have to admit.

Marx's views on property take us all back to a political perspective alive and well prior to the Magna Carta.

I guess you have never even read Marx. Sure, maybe you have read "views" on Marx, but I doubt you have read his works. You sound too ... how would you say in english ... pathetic.


Is communism justifiable? I think not.

Is it justifiable for uneducated, brainwashed instruments of the ruling class (that would be you, hypocrite) to give views on things that require education and knowledge? I think not.

Were the abolition of property, and the forced equality of people worth the 100,000,000 people who died as a result?

This number is highly questionable. Where did you get it from? Fox News? The Sun? The Bildzeitung?

Again, any rational person would answer that question negatively.

Stop this pseudo - intellectual stuff. You are just ridiculing yourself. Begin educating yourself instead. Your stupidity is just amazingly entertaining at the moment.


(Edited by Bianconero at 10:00 pm on June 11, 2003)

[El Che]

Its a masterpiece.

[Ghost Writer]

Why shucks, El Che. I always knew you were a fan.

[lostsoul]

I see it more as capitalists are weak souls that can't resist temptation and surrender to their greed.

Socialist are merly trying to correct capitialistic mistakes. So if its a mental disorder then slowly it seems to be effecting more and more people.

[Urban Rubble]

Ghost Writer, basically what you are saying is that people who think outside of the social norms are mentally disturbed. So any thought that goes against popular belief is the thought of a disturbed person ?

God you are fucking hopeless.

[Anonymous]

Ok then, lets look at Capitalism.


Is it atypical? Lets think of capitalism globally. With only North America, Western Europe and Japan really idolising capitalist ideals we can admit that globally capitalists are in the minority. And some of thier behaviour is sure as hell disturbing with the hostile corporation takeovers.

Now lets look at maladaptivity. Capitalism is a system where the few prosper at the expense of the many. People follow its ideals in the hope that they can become a member of the few. This means that the majority of capitalists fail to improve the life of others. Consider the people corporations fuck over to increase profits, consider historically those who have suffered becaues capitalists wanted more. Consider the social services who fail because money is diverted to business. Anyone who follows capitalism in the hope of prospering can clearly be seen as deluded and can be considered to be beating their head against a wall.

Finally we can look at justifiabillity. Do some people deserve to live in luxury whilst others live in squalor?
Do millions of worker's jobs being terminated balance well with giving a tycoon one more jet? Should 90% of the wealth beling to 4% of the people? I think any rational people would hasten to answer negatively.

So looking at the four categories we can deduce that capitalism is a mental disorder. Fortunately there is a known cure to this terrible affliction: suicide.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Atypical behavior must be disturbing to others to be considered disordered. Considering the fact that very few people actually subscribe to the teachings of Marx; and those that do are actually a small minority of the population, which hold views and engage in acts that horrify the rest of society, communists definitely fit those two criteria. Their thinking, and the behavior that follows is not only atypical, but is judged, by most, to be disturbing. Thus, communism fits those two criteria of a psychological disorder.

Finally, we must determine whether or not communism is justifiable. Of course, any rational human being will acknowledge the basic human rights of all people. Marx's ten recommendations for the implementation of a socialist state are suspect since many of them counter the fundamental rights of human beings, such as property ownership, or the right to keep what one earns.

American culture is the datum I will use to gauge what people consider to be disturbing. In this case, my assertion still stands.
[/i]

I'm curious to know how you alone detemined that property ownership is a fundamental right to every human being. I have trouble believing that you have any higher education whatsoever. I'm sure you simply went to a web site describing how phsychiatrists or psychologists create a model for mental disorder. Then you attempted to give your opinion "merit" by using this model for your argument. You cannot simply apply any theory into a psychological model and produce accurate results. your opinions are what we call philosophical and have nothing to do with psychiatry or psyhcology It is shocking to me that you would take so much time to write a post that makes you look like such a horses ass.

In addition, you have absolutely no idea what you are babbling about. By your own rational then, in a society such as China the reverse would be the case. Since capitalism is the minority and not "the norm" capitalism in turn would be a considered a genetic disorder. Your thinking is so infantile and flawed it's laughable. Go back to school and get an education you mindless drone. This is your opinion on what you think psychologist and psychiatrists would think. I personally know several psychiatrists and psychologists they think nothing of the sort you silly fool. They would however think your behaviour is odd enough to warrant evaluation. Would you like a consultation GW? I can arrange it at no cost for you. 'Cos son....you really need it. One more thing, you look really silly right now...please start including facts from other sources. Opinions from your warped sense of reality mean nothing in a debate.

I have a Ph.D. and have never heard of any psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist ever say something so utterly absurd." -Comrade RAF
As for the Comrade RAF, Ph.D's, statement. He is, not surprisingly, wrong. In fact, psychologists agree that all behaviors are caused by genetic, physiological, and environmental factors. I am sure that even the most uneducated among us will recognize this as the age-old nature vs. nurture debate. In the psychological profession most people concede that both nature and nurture play a role. The question has to do with the relative degree each one actually plays. As any 1st grade student could tell, I happen to take the view that the behavior of communists has more to do with a genetic defect than environmental factors. That being said; I do not rule out environmental factors altogether. I am sure the communist gene has skipped a generation, and had the child been given up for adoption it would have turned out normal. However, the environmental factors of having a demented parent overruled any chance of a normal life for the child. The child who looked to its major influence for guidance then mimicked the disturbing behavior of the parent, only to have its mind crippled. Whatever the cause of this mental disorder, it is an unfortunate disease that must be attacked more ferociously than we attack the AIDS virus.

First off political affliation is a belief and not a behaviour.
Second, much like all right-wingers they are afraid to quote an entire paragraph, the simply hack out tiny pieces that possible make their statements look factual in place of the moronic babble that it really is. The entire statement I made that this tosser here decided to hack (sounds awfully like members of the right-wing media diesn't it?) was completely accurate. My original statement stated that there are no psychiatrists, psychologists or neurologists that would say that political opinion that differs from capitalism is a form of genetic mental disorder as Ghost Wanker so adamantly believes. What I said is absolutely true. So now that everyone knows what I really said, I dare you to find any statements from any psychiatrist or psychologist that claim communistic political beliefs are a form of mental disorder. Good Luck you silly twit.

Is communism justifiable? I think not. Again we can look to the human toll this ideology has caused throughout the 20th century to answer one of the criteria for a behavior to be labeled disordered. Were the abolition of property, and the forced equality of people worth the 100,000,000 people who died as a result? Again, any rational person would answer that question negatively.

More factless opinion. Shall we generate a body count in the name of capitalism?

By the way, for someone with a Ph.D, you certainly aren't up to date on the psychological literature; are you? It is well documented that anxiety disorders, mood disorders, schizophrenia, and personality disorders do exhibit signs of genetic predisposition. Please tell me were you received your Ph.D from, so I can remember to rule them out as an possibility for my graduate studies

First you must prove that opposing Political beliefs are caused by genetic mental disorder. You have simply not done so. Your opinions are worthless.
I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My PhD in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education.

[Pete]

your opinions are what we call philosophical and have nothing to do with psychiatry or psyhcology

No this is not what is called philosophical. This is what we would calling eating ones own shit :) Philosophy atleast has logic to back it up. Sound logic, not flimsy falsified numbers and superfiscial beliefs.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Just 'cos you made me do it Petey ;)

The dictionary gives philosophy several acceptable definitions, four of which can be applied to this wind-bag GW;

1) The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.

2) A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.

3) A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.

4) Eating one's own shit.

As you see Ghost Wanker's inane post falls into all four, thus making it philosophical and not scientific.

[Felicia]

Communism is a Mental Disorder
if communism is a mental disorder than I'm crazy, sitting alone and singing really loudly....... oh :confused:

j/k :biggrin:

*hummms loudly*

[Ghost Writer]

"I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My Ph.D. in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education."

Political Science, ha! What, too dumb and lazy to earn a real degree? Unlike you, I choose to study the formal and physical sciences, and apply those principles toward creating pragmatic real world solutions to life's problems, through engineering. Political science, to me, is a hobby. Although I am intrigued by politics, as it has implications for almost all aspects of life, I would not choose to waste my years of schooling, like you have done. It is evident that your Ph.D. has not elevated you to a higher level of intellect. Most amazing, is your adherence to a failed political ideology. Had you actually learned anything, with respect to economic and political theory, you would undoubtedly ditch the worst political theory known to man. I do respect both Western Philosophy and many of the political theories that are closely aligned with them. However, I don't respect someone who has spent as many years as you studying these subjects, and chooses to cling to the worst combination imaginable. It's pretty sad that the only thing you gained in all of your years of school is severe mental disorder. This only demonstrates the sad state of affairs of our Liberal Arts Colleges. All graduates of these programs come away with these days remains indoctrination into Marxist ideology. I pity you for wasting the kind of money it takes to earn a degree, only to graduate with no skills, just rabies. I must also state that you do not impress me. Although you seem inclined to throw out all sorts of insults, you do seem rather devoid of any substantive ideas. You are the one who is out of your league, as I can think in directions you can not even fathom. My education only refines my natural ability, while yours seems to have left you with a serious handicap.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:55 pm on June 12, 2003)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

*Yaaaaaawn......*

Why don't you go with your 'real' degree and do some 'real' things with it instead of posting shit on this board?

There are no 'real' or 'fake' degrees, only pretentious assholes like you who say stuff like that to make themselves sound superior.

NoX.

[Pete]

Ghost writer take your "real degrees" and shove them up your ass. RAF is probaly doing more to help society than you will ever wish to.

[Ghost Writer]

Really? How many patents does he own? Which problems has he solved lately? How has he used technology to advance the outlook for all of humanity?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 1:01 pm on June 12, 2003
Really? How many patents does he own? Which problems has he solved lately? How has he used technology to advance the outlook for all of humanity?

Owning patents does not help anyone but the patent owners you stupid fuck.
Taxing ideas is no way of spreading them.

How many problems has he solved? don't ask pete. ask comrade RAF, he's sure to know.
How many problems have YOU solved GW?

"How has he used technology to advance the outlook for all of humanity?"
You mean has he written any propaganda articles on his computer?

[Invader Zim]

:sniffs air:

Do you smell something?

:sniffs air again:

Hmm what could that smell be?

:sniffs air yet again:

Still cant quite work it out....

:sniffs air yet again:

No still cant quite get it....

:sniffs air yet again:

Its bad what ever it is!

:sniffs air yet again:

Evil smell...

:sniffs air yet again:

Perhaps Im getting a sinus infection...

:sniffs air yet again:

Perhaps its because im insane like Norman says.

:sniffs air yet again:

No its definatly real!

:sniffs air yet again:

Comrades do you you know?

:sniffs air yet again:

Maybe im losing my sence of smell...

:sniffs air yet again:

Norm do you know?

:sniffs air yet again:

Ohh I know what it is!!! :) Its the foul odour of Normans BULLSHIT.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

heeheehee, snort.

[Ghost Writer]

AK47,

I can't believe you wasted all that bandwidth for such a pathetic retort.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 11:13 pm on June 12, 2003
AK47,

I can't believe you wasted all that bandwidth for such a pathetic retort.

I cant believe that you wasted all that web space with those 1,700 + posts as Stormin Norman, but thats what you get with hypocritical cappi's innit.

Why dont you find your old pal capitalist imperial, Im sure you could waste his time instead of mine.

[lostsoul]

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[Vinny Rafarino]

You're too prectable to be more intelligent than me. There is no direction that your average intellect can roam that I have not already been to. Years ago boy.
After reviewing this and other debates we have had I have concluded that never once have you actually been able to prove any of your babblings to any degree. Review this one for instance. I can still smell the odour of shite from your posts here a day later.

You, as with most capitalists are simply not adequately equipped with enough intellect to survive here boy.
The fool who invented the Flobee had a patent too.
Boy was that little adventure a mistake. Good luck with your "patents" boy, however I recommend you keep practising your skills with the fryer...I see a lot of "freedom Fry" making in your near future.

[Ghost Writer]

"There is no direction that your average intellect can roam that I have not already been to. Years ago boy."

Then indulge me by giving me a statistical description of the kinetic theory of gases. If you are not familiar with this theory, then explain chaos theory to me. Hell, if those are too hard, I will settle for a synopsis of simple harmonic motion. I would be surprised if you could even discuss Newton's Laws of Motion. To be honest, it would surprise me if you could discuss anything that does not involve attacking those who you pretend to be conversing with. You're pathetic, as your lack of ideas will attest. No wonder you are a communist, you lack a creative mind.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:51 am on June 13, 2003)

[notyetacommie]

I would be surprised if you spelled Newton's name correctly

[Ghost Writer]

Here I am discussing physics, and you chime in with semasiology. Come on, are we going to split hairs over a typo, or are you going to answer any one of the questions?

[notyetacommie]

Do you still remember your first post? You were not discussing physics then. What is it? Attention deficiency?

[Ghost Writer]

I'll take that as a no. And yes I remember my first post. If you have been following the conversation, you will know that I wasn't the one that changed the subject, nor was I the one who brought education into this argument. I was simply answering the distracting ad hominem attack dish out by comrade Ralph Malph.

[rumblefish86]

Thats just fucking insulting. I have a mental disorder for fucks sake but im not stupid, my illness has no effects on my belifes in communism and socialism.

Your a fucking ass Ghost Writer

[Vinny Rafarino]

You are a moron GW. Remember I finished grad school.

Kinetic theory of gasses-

Bernoulli's theory is what is considered the Kinetic theory of gasses. It states that in any given confined space molecules that are moving at different speeds and direction will crash into the walls of the confined space creating pressure. The more gas there is in the space the more pressure there is.

Next,
Chaos Theory-
I doubt you even understand this theory and probably only know about it from watching Jurrasic Park. In any case the actual theory is no where near what people think it is. I'm not a mathmetition or a theoretical physicist so I cannot add any equations. I can however describe the theory. Chaos theory simply is the study of unstable aperiodic behaviour in deterministic nonlinear dynamical systems. Since aperiodic behaviour
never repeats itself, any prediction of a future state in an aperiodic system is utterly impossible.
Not a brain buster GW.


Harmonic Motion-
This law simply states that since no object is absolutely rigid, once a force is applied and then released from the object The force against the original pressure will apply itself in the effort to restore the objects equilibrium creating a bounce or "harmonic" effect

That was the simplest explanation I can think of...It may be beyond GW however since he probably pulled these theories out of a dusty tome hoping I would not respond.

If you would like to discuss newton's laws of motion, the general and special theories of relativity or even quantum machanics...please create the thread boy and Iwill be there.

I doubt you will.

[Pete]

nor was I the one who brought education into this argument

Yes you did. In your first post. You singled RAF's education out.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 2:04 am on June 14, 2003
nor was I the one who brought education into this argument

Yes you did. In your first post. You singled RAF's education out.

Thanks for the back-up comrade. This poor fellow doesn't know who he is playing with...I don't false advertise like I'm sure he is doing right now. I'm actually back in undergrad again for my 3rd undergrad degree, this time in micro-biology...I then want to PhD in human genetic engineering....It's fascinating.

[Ghost Writer]

For somebody who claims to be such a highly acclaimed scholar, you certainly do have a short memory. This leads me to question just how well someone of your limited intellectual capacity will fair in a scientific field like microbiology. Here is the original conversation (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=2470&start=0) where you brought your supposed education into the discussion.

To see if you are honest, I will ask a simple qustion about the field you claim to be seeking an undergraduate degree in. Generation Time Determination can be determined graphically. Explain what this is and how this is done.

By the way, I am rather impressed with your ability to copy definitions of physical theories and mathematical principles. I will expound on your succinct versions, offering all the necessary information for you to have a working knowledge of the subject. This means I will include formulas and equations, and then see if you have the ability to apply them to a few simple questions, which someone who professes to have your level of intellect should undoubtedly be able to solve. See you soon, dumbshit.

[Ghost Writer]

Here is an excellent example of the type of person that led me to my conclusion about the mental stability of leftists.

Who else? (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=2520)

Fuck the only way he can get anyone to read one of his pointless posts is to mention my name. I thought I would help him out by providing a link. That way everyone can witness the long term effects of rabid liberalism. It does bad things to your mind, eventually you end up spewing incoherent garbage like peacenicked.

[suffianr]

Rabid liberalism?

Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Really, GW, you should take time to think about how utterly ludicrous your theory sounds...

[Vinny Rafarino]

That's a 100 level question mate. Generation time means the amount of time it takes for the number of cells in your culture to double. You can either do it mathematically or graphically. Graphically simply means using a graph. I hope you know what a graph is boy. A simple x and Y axis graph is used where the x axis is time and the y axis is the number of cells you are working with.

You are boring Sidney, boring.

[Ghost Writer]

"Graphically simply means using a graph. I hope you know what a graph is boy. A simple x and Y axis graph is used where the x axis is time and the y axis is the number of cells you are working with."

Just to split hairs. Since the function is exponential the y-axis is logarithmic, while the x-axis is even scaled. It is not a simple rectilinear graph, but a semi-log plot. Other than that I will give it to you. By the way, you forgot the phrase your answer in the form of a question.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 3:06 pm on June 15, 2003)

[Emmanual Goldstein]

If we want to talk about psychological disorders, Ghosty, look at yourself. You spend a decent percentage of your time posting on a message board named after someone you despise. Go make friends and leave us alone. Actually, RAF, I think I'll send GW a care package.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 3:04 pm on June 15, 2003
"Graphically simply means using a graph. I hope you know what a graph is boy. A simple x and Y axis graph is used where the x axis is time and the y axis is the number of cells you are working with."

Just to split hairs. Since the function is exponential the y-axis is logarithmic, while the x-axis is even scaled. It is not a simple rectilinear graph, but a semi-log plot. Other than that I will give it to you. By the way, you forgot the phrase your answer in the form of a question.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 3:06 pm on June 15, 2003)


Dude you crack me up. In your case I'm not laughing at you. Thanks for the laugh, or should I thank RAF too, since I am laughing at him.

RAF you do know the difference with people laughing with you and at you don't you?

(Edited by kelvin9 at 10:34 pm on June 15, 2003)

[Anonymous]

"I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My Ph.D. in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education."

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Duuude. Kelvin90210. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you. (not shocking) The best you can do is attempt to bust my balls just for the sake of doing it. Your last two posts for instance "dude". What are you on about? Do you not understand that your simple little slags are not going to get me angry? It's like listening to a 3 year old toddler. Would you get angry with them for calling you a pooh-pooh head? Of course not littleboykelvin. So please grab your woobie and take a nap. I can see that you are getting a little bit cranky.
Poor little guy...What a trooper, he's mummie's little man.

"I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My Ph.D. in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education."

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

"Dude" you obviously have never been to college because this statement is completely absurd. You Know it. I know it. Norman knows it.

Norman. The best you can do is tell me that the y axis is logarithmic and the x axis is even scaled huh. I left this information out because it is meaningless when defining generation time. Nit pick all you want boy, you will never be smarter than me. However you're at least a smarter than kelvin90210...He doesn't even know what he is commenting on the majority of the time. He sure is a funny little lad though.

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:38 am on June 16, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 11:38 pm on June 15, 2003
Duuude. Kelvin90210. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you. (not shocking) The best you can do is attempt to bust my balls just for the sake of doing it. Your last two posts for instance "dude". What are you on about? Do you not understand that your simple little slags are not going to get me angry? It's like listening to a 3 year old toddler. Would you get angry with them for calling you a pooh-pooh head? Of course not littleboykelvin. So please grab your woobie and take a nap. I can see that you are getting a little bit cranky.
Poor little guy...What a trooper, he's mummie's little man.

"I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My Ph.D. in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education."

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

"Dude" you obviously have never been to college because this statement is completely absurd. You Know it. I know it. Norman knows it.

Norman. The best you can do is tell me that the y axis is logarithmic and the x axis is even scaled huh. I left this information out because it is meaningless when defining generation time. Nit pick all you want boy, you will never be smarter than me. However you're at least a smarter than kelvin90210...He doesn't even know what he is commenting on the majority of the time. He sure is a funny little lad though.

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:38 am on June 16, 2003)


Dude how do you deal with the shame of Calstate? Not smart enough for the University of California?

Eveyone in Califonia knows that Calstate system is a second choice to UC system. Just check the sheer numbers and quality of researchers in both systems in all fields. While Calstate can not even pay their electric bill, UC is winning Nobel Prizes.

I conisdered one of the more softer majors one time. Luckly I was smart enough to survive the program.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 4:04 am on June 17, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 11:38 pm on June 15, 2003
Duuude. Kelvin90210. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you. (not shocking) The best you can do is attempt to bust my balls just for the sake of doing it. Your last two posts for instance "dude". What are you on about? Do you not understand that your simple little slags are not going to get me angry? It's like listening to a 3 year old toddler. Would you get angry with them for calling you a pooh-pooh head? Of course not littleboykelvin. So please grab your woobie and take a nap. I can see that you are getting a little bit cranky.
Poor little guy...What a trooper, he's mummie's little man.

"I received my BA in from CSUN My minor in Western Philosophy and Masters in Political Science are from University College London. My Ph.D. in Political Science is from The University of London. Please do not attend any of these institutions as you are not fit for higher education."

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

"Dude" you obviously have never been to college because this statement is completely absurd. You Know it. I know it. Norman knows it.

Norman. The best you can do is tell me that the y axis is logarithmic and the x axis is even scaled huh. I left this information out because it is meaningless when defining generation time. Nit pick all you want boy, you will never be smarter than me. However you're at least a smarter than kelvin90210...He doesn't even know what he is commenting on the majority of the time. He sure is a funny little lad though.

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:38 am on June 16, 2003)


Dude how do you deal with the shame of Calstate? Not smart enough for the University of California?

Eveyone in Califonia knows that Calstate system is a second choice to UC system. Just check the sheer numbers and quality of researchers in both systems in all fields. While Calstate can not even pay their electric bill, UC is winning Nobel Prizes.

I conisdered one of the more softer majors one time. Luckly I was smart enough to survive the program.

Dude. Really dude? I'm totally like agro now dude...like for real dude.

[canikickit]

Kelvin, I've always respected you, but did you actually read RAF's above post? It was like a self fulfilling prophesy. You should read it now. He practicaly predicted what you were going to say.

[Vinny Rafarino]

So true kickit, so true.

Kelvin90210. apparantly neither you nor boyNorman has bothered to pay attention. You skim over posts and start typing a retort straight away...You remind me of Pookie in New Jack City. Now back to the point Pookie. Is it not rather odd that you and boyNorman have quoted the educational portion of of my post from days ago many separate times and have never noticed I left out what my BA was in? Your last response;

I conisdered one of the more softer majors one time. Luckly I was smart enough to survive the program

and;

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

Your ultra-keen intellect has surmised that I have an undergraduate degree in Political Science, even though I never stated that. My BA from CSUN is in English and is hardly a "soft" major. You two obviously have no common sense and are here merely to attempt to get under our skin. Seems like an incredible waste of time for you.

Some advice for your future Pookie; put down the glass-dick. You are dumb enough already.

[Vinny Rafarino]

So true kickit, so true.

Kelvin90210. apparantly neither you nor boyNorman has bothered to pay attention. You skim over posts and start typing a retort straight away...You remind me of Pookie in New Jack City. Now back to the point Pookie. Is it not rather odd that you and boyNorman have quoted the educational portion of of my post from days ago many separate times and have never noticed I left out what my BA was in? Your last response;

I conisdered one of the more softer majors one time. Luckly I was smart enough to survive the program

and;

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

Your ultra-keen intellect has surmised that I have an undergraduate degree in Political Science, even though I never stated that. My BA from CSUN is in English and is hardly a "soft" major. You two obviously have no common sense and are here merely to attempt to get under our skin. Seems like an incredible waste of time for you.

Some advice for your future Pookie; put down the glass-dick. You are dumb enough already.

[abstractmentality]

kelvin: some people in california prefer the cal state schools over the UCs. i mean, when you go to a UC, you have a good professor every now and then, but most of the time you get shit professors that dont give a shit about teaching, and only care about doing their research. i should know, i go to a UC.

i was also chemical engineering for a while, and technically still am. however, i am no longer taking those classes. why? "because i cant take it?" no, because i dont want to do it. i can do it, no doubt in my mind on that whatsoever. the fact of the matter, is that i dont want to be stuck in a lab for the greater part of my life. maybe you do, but that is not my idea of having a good job, regardless of pay. oh yea, and chemical engineers have the shortest life span because of their line of work. i never enjoyed one day of lab, never got up in the morning and thought to myself "wow, im so glad to be going to chem lecture today, and im even more happy about going to calculus before that." people like you always assume that people that start engineering and stop do that because they cant handle the work. but, in actuality, many people stop engineering because they simply dont enjoy it, i did, so did my roommate. now im actually taking classes i like. now im actually happy, to a certan extent.

(Edited by abstractmentality at 12:34 am on June 17, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

So what are you doing now ABmentality?

By the way, I recently saw a picture of you when I accidentally clicked on it in the uploads directory (it was the one right underneath mine). Has anyone ever told you that you look like Zach de La Rochas bastard son?

[abstractmentality]

GW: not sure what im doing yet. trying to decide what type of double major i want to do. some professors are pulling me one way, some others another, some graduating friends another.

that picture is old now. the goat is shorter, the mustache is back, as well as some more facial hair and much longer hair on my head. i look kinda funny in that picture. i have been told i resemble: Zack, the lead singer of System of a Down, and before the goat, Bizzy Bone. i didnt know Zack had a son.

[Ghost Writer]

You are probably too old to be his son, but I am sure they have them, considering all of the groupies they bang. The problem is probably much more serious than the all of the NBA's illegitimate children.

I was only joking, no offense intended.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 6:16 am on June 17, 2003
So true kickit, so true.

Kelvin90210. apparantly neither you nor boyNorman has bothered to pay attention. You skim over posts and start typing a retort straight away...You remind me of Pookie in New Jack City. Now back to the point Pookie. Is it not rather odd that you and boyNorman have quoted the educational portion of of my post from days ago many separate times and have never noticed I left out what my BA was in? Your last response;

I conisdered one of the more softer majors one time. Luckly I was smart enough to survive the program

and;

Dude that is what students who can not cut physics or engineering take up when flunk out. Seen lots of people flunk out and take poly sci. Never seen someone flunk out of poly sci and take up physics.

Your ultra-keen intellect has surmised that I have an undergraduate degree in Political Science, even though I never stated that. My BA from CSUN is in English and is hardly a "soft" major. You two obviously have no common sense and are here merely to attempt to get under our skin. Seems like an incredible waste of time for you.

Some advice for your future Pookie; put down the glass-dick. You are dumb enough already.


What ever helps you deal with the shame. BTW last time I checked salaries your PhD is worth less than my B.S.

[Anonymous]

Dude I do have to admit that you are really talented in the bitterness department.

You know Marx had boils on his rump that made him a very bitter man. Maybe you should take care of those boils dude.

Did you ever take my advice with dancing lessons? Meeting women and getting some nokie should ease up with bitterness. The partner dancing is getting tired and probably not a good idea anymore. Lucky for me I rode the curve at just the right time, but women looove to dance no matter what music or style. Try it some time comrade.

[onepunchmachinegun]

hmm... when I read that piece of excellent BULLSHIt that ghostwriter wrote in his ghostly way I couldn't stop thinking of Brad Pitt playing Jeffrey Goines in Twelve Monkeys. On the net the other day I found a quote said by that character in the movie:

(Talking to Bruce Willis and suddenly points at the televison) There's the television. It's all right there - all right there. Look, listen, kneel, pray. Commercials! We're not productive anymore. We don't make things anymore. It's all automated. What are we for then? We're consumers, Jim. Yeah. Okay, okay. Buy a lot of stuff, you're a good citizen. But if you don't buy a lot of stuff, if you don't, what are you then, I ask you? What? Mentally ill! Fact, Jim, fact - if you don't buy things - toilet paper, new cars, computerized yo-yos, electrically-operated sexual devices, servo systems with brain-implanted headphones, screwdrivers with miniature built-in radar devices, voice-activated computers!

I don't know if that really proves my point. If you aren't like anyone else you are mentally ill! If anybody else gets sick, you also got to get sick... I still don't know if I have proven my point, but I've not changed my mind about the revolution...

[Ghost Writer]

Ghost Writer, basically what you are saying is that people who think outside of the social norms are mentally disturbed. So any thought that goes against popular belief is the thought of a disturbed person?

No, that is not what I said, at all. As I wrote, there are a number of other criteria that should be used to determine whether atypical behavior is disordered.


hmm... when I read that piece of excellent BULLSHIt that ghostwriter wrote in his ghostly way I couldn't stop thinking of Brad Pitt playing Jeffrey Goines in Twelve Monkeys. On the net the other day I found a quote said by that character in the movie:

(Talking to Bruce Willis and suddenly points at the televison) There's the television. It's all right there - all right there. Look, listen, kneel, pray. Commercials! We're not productive anymore. We don't make things anymore. It's all automated. What are we for then? We're consumers, Jim. Yeah. Okay, okay. Buy a lot of stuff, you're a good citizen. But if you don't buy a lot of stuff, if you don't, what are you then, I ask you? What? Mentally ill! Fact, Jim, fact - if you don't buy things - toilet paper, new cars, computerized yo-yos, electrically-operated sexual devices, servo systems with brain-implanted headphones, screwdrivers with miniature built-in radar devices, voice-activated computers!

I don't know if that really proves my point. If you aren't like anyone else you are mentally ill! If anybody else gets sick, you also got to get sick... I still don't know if I have proven my point, but I've not changed my mind about the revolution...

Great movie, by the way. However, I think you are suffering from the same lack of hearing as your friend, whose comments I addressed above. Both of you are ignoring the other criteria that I listed. Ssuggesting that someone is mentally disorder because they exhibit abnormal behavior is fallacious, since it does not consider other elements of the actions, factors that affect the subjects attitudes and perceptions, or the overall results of the behavior in question.

To suggest that somebody who is not manipulated by consumerism is crazy, should be weighed not only by the fact that it is different, but to the extent to which this attitude leads to behavior that harms that person or society at large. There are, in fact, differing degrees to which a person rejects commercialism. For instance, I may elect to buy generic brands in defiance of the commercials that insult my intelligence, I can choose to be a homeless bum, or I can choose to rape and pillage people who own more than me (communism). Which activities do you think should be labeled as disordered?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Your thoery has already been debunked G.Wanker. Give it up.

[Ghost Writer]

Please show me were it was debunked. As far as I am concerned, it is still a working hypothesis.

[rAW DEaL bILL]

so, ghost wank, what u are implying is that any belief that isnt the majority is a mental disorder?!?!?!?! ur saying anything different from the popular view is sick? what the fuck is wrong with you?! are you realy that much of a fucking conformist skinhead that u seriously believe anythign and everythign outside the majorities train of thought is a fucking disorder?! u disgust me man. just disgust me. at first i repected you as a human being and one with strong beliefs but thats all gone now with this totaly bullshit. u sound like a fucking totalitarianist dude! ur basically saying anything the state doesnt believe is wrong and sick! if thats not fascism what the fuck is??? fuck you man get the fuck off this site your far too brainwashed for salvaging.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 8:59 am on June 30, 2003
Please show me were it was debunked. As far as I am concerned, it is still a working hypothesis.


Simple. Read this thread.

[sc4r]

God what absolute bollox From Ghost Writer. Even by his standards this is 24 carat crap.

Giving a definition of mental disorder and then merely asserting that having a particular belief fits that definition is I would say indicative of a fairly well advanced mental disorder itself. Namely paranoid delusions.

[Vinny Rafarino]

We are all aware SC. Seriously Ghost Wanker, I know some good psychiatrists...Like I said, my flatmate in undergrad is quite successful now. I can easily have him cut you a deal on some meds.

[Ghost Writer]

Comrade RAF is a perfect example of the mentally disabled left. In fact, he continues to defend a system of government that is reprehensible, i.e. Stalinism. He continues to deny the damage done, like the Nazi holocaust deniers. Judge for yourselves who has the mental disorder.

[sc4r]

Fucking unbelievable. You come to a site about politics. Insult everyone intelligent on it; totally fail to justify the insult and then wonder why no one can be arsed to discuss bloody physics with you.

Piss off to a physics site asshole and give them the dubious benefit of your company.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I already gave Ghost Wanker some good physics questions. He guised his inability to answer my questions with attacks on my character.

We're all on to you ghost wanker.

[Ghost Writer]

Fact is, if you truly wanted me to answer your physics question, then you would give me the respect I deserve.

It seems as if I am still waiting for your apology, and for you to ask me nicely. Of course, you will never offer it because you do not wish for me to answer your question, as you would rather assume that you won.

Well, why don't you show me the derivation, and prove to me that you can answer your own question, before you declare your victory? Hell, why don't you answer the bran question I gave you? What's wrong, are you not even good enough for culinary school?

[rAW DEaL bILL]

id say that stalinists are WRONG but i realy wouldnt say that somebody with a politicol ideology has a mental disorder because of it. thats just bullshit. be reasonable ghost wank will ya?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 9:58 pm on July 10, 2003
Fact is, if you truly wanted me to answer your physics question, then you would give me the respect I deserve.

It seems as if I am still waiting for your apology, and for you to ask me nicely. Of course, you will never offer it because you do not wish for me to answer your question, as you would rather assume that you won.

Well, why don't you show me the derivation, and prove to me that you can answer your own question, before you declare your victory? Hell, why don't you answer the bran question I gave you? What's wrong, are you not even good enough for culinary school?


The only thing you "deserve" from me is is my foot in your arse.

You will use any excuse to try to avois that topic won't you? Pathetic.

You want me to say "I'm sorry" eh?

I'm sorry you are not as smart as I am.

I'm sorry to have read any of your posts.

I'm sorry you are a coward.

I'm sorry you have to go fuck yourself.


Victory.

[Xprewatik RED]

Comrade RAF will never say sorry

Ghost Writer will never be able to answer the equation, okay? Can this discussion end? Ghost Writer please for everyones sake shut up. If you are not going to answer his question, than just shut up. Argueing that you can means nothing.

I believe this post shows your ignorance Goat Wanker.
Are blacks during the rights movement mentally disabled?
Heres one for you, your so called American for-fathers they are also mentally Disabled(we can agree on that).
If the world was filled with people like you we would be under feudalism, still practicing slavery and serfdom.

In your opinion Free Thinkers are scum? Well, that kinda tells us who you are.
NOW PLEASE SHUT UP.

[Ghost Writer]

Are blacks during the rights movement mentally disabled?

It seems as if somebody has problems with reading comprehension. It was clearly stated (repeatedly for those nincompoops who share your lack of understanding of the English language) that holding a minority view is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition to meet the criteria for mentally disordered behavior. The difference between communists and the civil rights movement, is they work toward opposite goals. Communists work for the detriment of humanity, while the civil rights movement of the 1960's improved conditions for the citizens of America. As was clearly stated, a behavior must consistently produce a negative result to be considered mentally disordered. Therefore, anyone who uses logic should be able to discern the difference between the repeated brutality caused by communist movements, like the SWAPO party, the Bolshviks, the Viet Cong, the Kreimer Rouge, the Baathists, the communist party in the PRC, and the Democratic party in the United States, as opposed to the civil rights movement of the 1960's whose aim was to reduce political injustices, and better humanities outlook. It should be noted that those groups related to the civil rights movements have strayed from this goal and are moving closer to ideology shared with the communists.

[Sabocat]

If you want to talk about a mental disorder, supporting capitalism would surely qualify.

This picture was taken from my office window this morning...

All Hail Capitalism

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/Joys-of-Capitalism.jpg

[Elect Marx]

Ghost Writer, you are an ignorant bigot. Communism is an affirmation of human rights. If you knew anything about it, you would know that. Go to a forum about someting you know about.

[In It 4 The Money]

Communism is the sole retreat of those too weak to get what they want it the real world.
Cant acchieve success? Well just become a Communist and ***** about those you envy.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 11:07 am on July 15, 2003
Communism is the sole retreat of those too weak to get what they want it the real world.
Cant acchieve success? Well just become a Communist and ***** about those you envy.


Hmmm...did you post this in between shifts at Burger King?

It's dreadfully obvious that you know nothing about Communism.

I don't envy any capitalist. Nice try.

(Edited by Disgustapated at 11:27 am on July 15, 2003)

[In It 4 The Money]

Yes you keep telling yourself that, its much easier to talk about the fair distribution of wealth when it would benefit you. I just wonder how you would feel if you were better off.....

[Sabocat]

Actually, I own a buisness and I'm still very much in favor of distributed wealth. So you see, it wouldn't actually benefit me monitarily. It would benefit me ideologically however.

Oh, and the business is successful.

So again..... nice try.

[In It 4 The Money]

What do you sell, ethical t-shirts with your student slogans?

[Sabocat]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 12:56 pm on July 15, 2003
What do you sell, ethical t-shirts with your student slogans?


T-shirts? LOL. No, sorry to burst your bubble. A bit more high tech than that..Student slogans? Jeez, haven't been in college for almost 20 years...Almost hard to remember any slogans now.

[Elect Marx]

FYI, communism is composed of workers, capitalism is used by a lazy ruling class.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 4:07 pm on July 15, 2003
Communism is the sole retreat of those too weak to get what they want it the real world.
Cant acchieve success? Well just become a Communist and ***** about those you envy.


So speaks the uneducated.

So do you think that one of the richest industrialists of all time could not get what he wanted, and enveyed anybody? I guess you are to much of a fool to know who that is, so I will tell you his name was Robert Owen, he ended up giving all of his vast fortune in the attempt to improve the lot of his fellow man.

How about one of the greatest scientists of all time Einstein? I am pritty sure that he enveyed few people, yet he was a socialist.

I can think of many other examples. I conclude that you really dont have a clue what the hell you are talking about, go read a few history books and I may actualy take you seriously.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 6:42 pm on July 15, 2003

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 12:56 pm on July 15, 2003
What do you sell, ethical t-shirts with your student slogans?


T-shirts? LOL. No, sorry to burst your bubble. A bit more high tech than that..Student slogans? Jeez, haven't been in college for almost 20 years...Almost hard to remember any slogans now.


HAHAHAHAHA

"In It 4 The Money", you really are making your self look more dumb... if possible. I suggest you go and troll on a different web site where people appriciate your pathetic ideology.

[In It 4 The Money]

Oh dear, slated by a little Englishman who lists his interests as Evil and The Devil. Yes, i can see how my ideology can seem pathetic next to yours.


So Einstein was a Socialist. Did i mention Socialism? perhaps if you learn to read......


Robert Owen, sounds like an ego-maniac to me, desire for power? Establishing a community with his money, giving up all of his money so he could sire the leader of apthetic little group?

Face it, Communism is for the cooks and the imbeciles.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 11:12 pm on July 15, 2003
Oh dear, slated by a little Englishman who lists his interests as Evil and The Devil. Yes, i can see how my ideology can seem pathetic next to yours.


So Einstein was a Socialist. Did i mention Socialism? perhaps if you learn to read......


Robert Owen, sounds like an ego-maniac to me, desire for power? Establishing a community with his money, giving up all of his money so he could sire the leader of apthetic little group?

Face it, Communism is for the cooks and the imbeciles.

Oh dear, slated by a little Englishman

Do you have a problem with the English?

As it happens I just live here I am actually a cross between Welsh and Manx (you are probably to ignorant to know what the latter is).

Yes, i can see how my ideology can seem pathetic next to yours.

Ohh dear the ignorant cappie thinks he's witty... carry on man you must be at least as sharp as cotton wool.

So Einstein was a Socialist. Did i mention Socialism? perhaps if you learn to read......


Communism is a type of Socialism you fool, if you insult communism you are insulting socialism because you like most cappie’s don’t actually know the difference, also when looking at your sig you claim that they are the same without the firing squad: -

"Socialism is communism without the firing squad."

So surely by your own logic-insulting communism is the same as insulting socialism.

I suggest you piss off before you make your self-look even more of a fool.

Robert Owen, sounds like an ego-maniac to me, desire for power? Establishing a community with his money, giving up all of his money so he could sire the leader of apthetic little group?

They tell me that ignorance is bliss... so you must be the happiest person on earth, then.

Read fool, that is if you can read documents with words larger than two syllables. (http://robert-owen.midwales.com/rowen/index.html)

Face it, Communism is for the cooks and the imbeciles.

Well so far it seams that you are the only imbecile posting.

[In It 4 The Money]

So his creation of a community at New Harmony wasnt motivated by a sense of power?

Im live in England you cretin, about 20 miles from Manchester....

You say that Socialism is a form of Coomunism? Are you crazy, i know many Socialists who are eager to dismiss the idea of Communism, the Labour party is a 'Scoialist Party' for Fucks sake! They are two different ideologies of the left.

The quote is something rather pert which i found on the internet once.

[Xvall]

Oh I see. So if someone follows a minority belief or activity, it's a disorder. Ah; yes. Buddhism, Wiccan, and Centipede Wrangling are all disorders. Thank you for clarifying this, Dr. Pepper.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 11:57 pm on July 15, 2003
So his creation of a community at New Harmony wasnt motivated by a sense of power?

Im live in England you cretin, about 20 miles from Manchester....

You say that Socialism is a form of Coomunism? Are you crazy, i know many Socialists who are eager to dismiss the idea of Communism, the Labour party is a 'Scoialist Party' for Fucks sake! They are two different ideologies of the left.

The quote is something rather pert which i found on the internet once.


You say that Socialism is a form of Coomunism? Are you crazy, i know many Socialists who are eager to dismiss the idea of Communism, the Labour party is a 'Scoialist Party' for Fucks sake! They are two different ideologies of the left.


No communism is a type of socialism not the other way round, dumbass. And the fact remanis that your own signiture contradicted your post.

As for your misguided opinion of the labour party, they are in no way shape or form socialist. They used to be socialist, however they are now further right wing than the tories on many issues. So get it out of you head that Labour is even remotly left wing. Hitler was in the National socialist party, would you call him left wing?

So his creation of a community at New Harmony wasnt motivated by a sense of power?

Well done, you have managed to grasp a very simple consept, who knows what will be next, maybe even elementary politics.

Im live in England you cretin, about 20 miles from Manchester....

Ohh yes nice place?

(Edited by AK47 at 12:23 am on July 16, 2003)

[In It 4 The Money]

Damn right gutted, Manchester is a dump.


Your naivity amuses me.
Hitler subverted the Nationalist Socialist Party after he joined (shortly after attending a meeting as a 'representative' of the weimar government?)

The majority of Labour Party members are still socialist hence i describe it as a Socailist party. I suppose you rate Blair somewhere to the Right of Thatcher? I do believe you are seriously misguided.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 12:26 am on July 16, 2003
Damn right gutted, Manchester is a dump.


Your naivity amuses me.
Hitler subverted the Nationalist Socialist Party after he joined (shortly after attending a meeting as a 'representative' of the weimar government?)

The majority of Labour Party members are still socialist hence i describe it as a Socailist party. I suppose you rate Blair somewhere to the Right of Thatcher? I do believe you are seriously misguided.

Damn right gutted, Manchester is a dump.

I changed my mind on that, Manchester is a dump but you said you dont actualy live there. So where you do live is it nice?

Your naivity amuses me.
Hitler subverted the Nationalist Socialist Party after he joined (shortly after attending a meeting as a 'representative' of the weimar government?)

I am aware of the rise of Hitler, and the Munich Pushte and started with only 12 members etc. However Modern Fascists also join National Socialist partys, you would hardly call them lefties could you. Now its you who is being naive.

The majority of Labour Party members are still socialist hence i describe it as a Socailist party. I suppose you rate Blair somewhere to the Right of Thatcher? I do believe you are seriously misguided.

The labour party does not even claim to be socialist, they clame to be social democrats (which I hasten to add they are not) which is not socialist. Socialism is the belief that all property should be distributed among the people. Can you find that in the labour manifesto?

I suppose you rate Blair somewhere to the Right of Thatcher?

No, but I do rate him further right than John Major for example.

[In It 4 The Money]

Blair is not further right thatn major, more Authoritarian perhaps but not more right wing. Some facist parties do bare more than a passing resemblance to the left wing, they believe that their racist tactics are justified due to their intention to improve society.


I dislike Manchester becasue as it is the nearest large city i am obliged to go their to shop at times and to go to gigs and other entertainments. I on the outskirts of one of the largest towns in Europe, i tell you what, since you are so close see if you can guess where it is?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 12:46 am on July 16, 2003
Blair is not further right thatn major, more Authoritarian perhaps but not more right wing. Some facist parties do bare more than a passing resemblance to the left wing, they believe that their racist tactics are justified due to their intention to improve society.


I dislike Manchester becasue as it is the nearest large city i am obliged to go their to shop at times and to go to gigs and other entertainments. I on the outskirts of one of the largest towns in Europe, i tell you what, since you are so close see if you can guess where it is?

Some facist parties do bare more than a passing resemblance to the left wing, they believe that their racist tactics are justified due to their intention to improve society.

That is an oxymoron, a fascist party cannot be ever remotley leftwing or it would not be a fascist party and vise versa.

A fascist party believes in economically highly right wing principals, where as a socialist party the oppersit. Also a true left wing party can never be rascist, if they were they would be authoritarian and no leftwinger is a authoritarian. Do not confuse Stalinism with socialism, I do not call all capitalists Nazi's just as you should not confuse socialism with Stalinism. Of course some people on this site would disagree but I consider Stalin to be no different from Hitler. In my opinion he was a fascist wearing the cloaths of a socialist, a wolf dressed as a lamb.

I on the outskirts of one of the largest towns in Europe, i tell you what, since you are so close see if you can guess where it is?

A lot of places are close to Manchester, Chester? Bolton? Wigan? Hell even Liverpool is really close.

[Ghost Writer]

Oh I see. So if someone follows a minority belief or activity, it's a disorder. Ah; yes. Buddhism, Wiccan, and Centipede Wrangling are all disorders. Thank you for clarifying this, Dr. Pepper.

Are you people fucking retarded. This is about the 10th time I have addressed this sort of stupidity. I suggest you go back and reread the original thread, so you can find out that I named four criteria that determines whether a behavior is disordered. Some of you lack the logic thinking skills to properly follow an argument.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Ghost Whiner is like sooooo totally fucking retarded. Like I fucking totally told you people that Ghost Whiner's fucking pathetic theory had been like....like totally debunked pages ago...Like totally dude...What planet are you from,

Dude.

[Ghost Writer]

That's funny, I don't remember it being debunked. I don't suppose you could give me a page number, assuming that you recognize the symbolset we humans use to denote quantities. I know it may take time, so I'll wait.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:48 am on July 17, 2003)

[In It 4 The Money]

Well im from Bolton, so there you are.

Do you see everything black and white? A leftist party can never be racist, are you mad?
The Right wind left wing spectrum is primarily economic, attitude towards ethnic minorities have nothing to do with it. The BNP advocates racism because it believes that a better society will be achieved through this.

Do you assign left wing status to just those who you like?

[Elect Marx]

True, racism can be independant of the political spectrum. Although the far right, especialy fascism, tends to use racism and other forms of bigotry, like xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc.

[In It 4 The Money]

They are political tools and need not be associated with any particular faction of the political spectrum. Stalin was left wing and murdered a huge faction of his population.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 8:52 pm on July 17, 2003
They are political tools and need not be associated with any particular faction of the political spectrum. Stalin was left wing and murdered a huge faction of his population.

I am going to get a slating from the Stalinists now, but Stalin was not remotly left wing. He was what we call a state capitalist. True the government did collect all the wealth and property but they just never got around to distributing it. So those in favour got rich and the poor got poor. That is not socialism, it is further even than capitalism it is fascism.

In short Stalin was not even remotly left wing.

[In It 4 The Money]

Sorry, i absolutely love this, disowning everyone who gives the left wing ideology a bad name. You begin to narrow the margins of left wing until it encompasses a simple perfect definition.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 10:08 pm on July 17, 2003
Sorry, i absolutely love this, disowning everyone who gives the left wing ideology a bad name. You begin to narrow the margins of left wing until it encompasses a simple perfect definition.

You name me one policy of Stalins that is remotly left wing and I will accept that he is left wing.

Lets look at his right wing/fascist policys though.

Strict socio-economic controls,
Institutionalised racism,
Creation of a dictatorship based on fear,
Mass censorship and propaganda.

All attributes of Stalins regime, now lets look at the The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition definition of fascism.: -

Fascism
1) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2) A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Lets now have a look at Stalins regime to see if it is socialist or not. The Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. describes socialism as: -

So"cial*ism, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.

Well Stalin certainly collected the property, but he just failed to distribute it. Those who were in power prospered and gaimed many benifits and capital where as the poorest classes suffered. Sounds like capitalism to me. Capitalism: -

n : an economic system based on private ownership of capital

from the WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

With that I conclude that Stalin's ideology was not even remotly like socialism, but a mixture of capitalism and fascism. I am not disowning all those who give the left a bad name, but stating the obvious and binding truth.

Again I challange you to find a leftwing principal which Stalin actually put into practise.

[Funkier Monk]

That definition of facism lends itself to neither right wing or left wing. Authoritiarian central governments can belong to either political wing

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Funkier Monk on 12:56 am on July 18, 2003
That definition of facism lends itself to neither right wing or left wing. Authoritiarian central governments can belong to either political wing

Hense the reason why I said, and I quote: - "a mixture of capitalism and fascism".

[In It 4 The Money]

That is an oxymoron, a fascist party cannot be ever remotley leftwing or it would not be a fascist party and vise versa.


I think he was refering to this, fool. It is possible for left wing facism which you dismissed.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 9:43 am on July 18, 2003



That is an oxymoron, a fascist party cannot be ever remotley leftwing or it would not be a fascist party and vise versa.


I think he was refering to this, fool. It is possible for left wing facism which you dismissed.


No because fascism is the political oppersit of socialism you fool. You can get authoritarian leftists they are called Marxist Leninists, but fascism is the complete economic/political oppersit ideology.

[In It 4 The Money]

You are digging yourself a deepr hole you idiot.

Your quote quite clearly states that left wing facism is impossible and yet you are just admitting it there!#

Fascism
1) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2) A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.


Show me how this opposes all left wing philospohy

[Felicia]

NO. You cannot combine the words of socialism and fascism, they are complete opposites, THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING TO YOU!

What you are referring to as "left-fascism" is authoritarianism leftism. There is authoitarian fascism aswell, notice that it is't "fascist fascism" or "communist fascism", it can't be said in that way. There is authoritarian socialism and there is authoritarian fascism, the tendency towards authoritarianism is similar in both ideologies and that's what you are mistaking for fascism when referring to authoritarianism leftism.

Comprende? Is that easily understood? I'm just trying to explain it :)

Why use personal insults (i.e. fool and idiot) when trying to state your argument? It's completely unnecessary. You're new so I'll go easy on you this time :biggrin: ;)



(Edited by felicia at 9:51 am on July 18, 2003)

[In It 4 The Money]

Some facist parties do bare more than a passing resemblance to the left wing, they believe that their racist tactics are justified due to their intention to improve society.

That is an oxymoron, a fascist party cannot be ever remotley leftwing or it would not be a fascist party and vise versa.

A fascist party believes in economically highly right wing principals, where as a socialist party the oppersit. Also a true left wing party can never be rascist, if they were they would be authoritarian and no leftwinger is a authoritarian. Do not confuse Stalinism with socialism, I do not call all capitalists Nazi's just as you should not confuse socialism with Stalinism. Of course some people on this site would disagree but I consider Stalin to be no different from Hitler. In my opinion he was a fascist wearing the cloaths of a socialist, a wolf dressed as a lamb.


Well Felicai, This is the argument that started this. You can quite clearly see that i make no mention of Socialism and merely link the left with facism. I dont accuse Stalin of Socialism i accuse him of being a leftist. And AK47 makes a point that no left wing is authoritarian, anyonhe agree?

[Felicia]

there is authoritarian leftism ...... this arguement isn't making any sense anymore :confused:

but either way, there is no such thing as fascist socialism.

[In It 4 The Money]

I do apologise if i have confused anyone but AK47's earlier definition of facism did not distance itself from either political ideal and thus was perfectly open to both left and right

[Felicia]

but that's just it, fascism is the right, pure and simple, therefore it cannot be the left. :)

see? :cheesy:

[In It 4 The Money]

Fascism
1) A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2) A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.


This is Ak47's definition. Tell me where it specifies right wing

[Felicia]

right here, look......

" and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. "

Communism isn't racist, that supposedly a given you know ;) . Most leftists perfer internationalism over nationalism. That's where he shows that he isn't talking about Socialism :)

But any statement can be defined and redefined to make it mean anything that one so desires.

But plainly put, I am right, I am always right, I am Felicia, how can I not be right? :biggrin:

[In It 4 The Money]

It is quite esay for a leftist to be racist or nationalist. See militant tendancy in the UK

[Felicia]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 7:53 pm on July 18, 2003
It is quite esay for a leftist to be racist or nationalist. See militant tendancy in the UK

That guy in your avatar looks a bit like Danny Bonaduce :biggrin:

I hardly think of Blair as a leftist. When I speak of leftists I'm mainly talking about the far left, not those little labour party men in major political parties in the first world that want only to be elected. Pish posh. I'm talking socialists, communists, not that liberal-esque racist, nationalist, pro-american crap around nowadays.... hmm. Labour party men in the third world are excellent though, really in it for the struggle and the long haul, but because of the economic differences, it doesn't mean much in Britain (to me anyway).

[sc4r]

I cant resist this one. It is one of my may hobby horses.

The debate appears to go nowhere; everyone seems intuitively to be right. Now I'll tell you why this is.

It is because Left and Right dont mean anything. It is these two things that dont have any real objectified meaning or properties of their own. Both are defined not by what they are, but by what other things people happen to put in them at any particuar time. They are 'container classes', but they are unusual even by this standard because each person has their own different instance of the class.

And they are so vague that they serve to communicate anything only if you already know what a particular person puts in their class (for instance If I say 'the right' people who know me know I'm talking really only about conservatives and very occasionally fascists. On the other hand Redstar means 'Conservatives, Fascists, and Capitalists and also I suspect some others.

You cant meaningfully talk about 'left Fascism' or 'right Fascism' because the ideas dont have remotely the same class of meaning, at best they can look like clumsy attempts to indicate a very vague connection in some way between Fascism and one of what could be almost any number of other ideas. Its so vague as to be useless even if you do know what the person saying it included in their personal container. If you dont know then you either assume its the same as yours (which can be wildly wrong of course) or see it as being either an oxymoron or a tautology.

This whole argument illustrates how little attention we all pay from time to time to communication. We say things which because they mean something to us we assume will mean the same thing to others, and when argument develop instead of saying 'OK lets find out what you mean by that' we get into 'OH NO IT doesn't it means....' arguments which are as often as not about nothing but Dogma.

Some things do help to make this even worse by trying to shovel something inappropriate into what is a reasonably well understood class based on superficial similarity (A favourite one of ultra conservatives from the US is to insist that 'National Socialism' is a form of socialism'). When this happens and is not stopped what results is that the original class becomes almost impossible to use as a communication tool because the things that are now in it are so disparate and different that using it in normal conversation conveys nothing general. It has then become an abitrarily defined container class like left and right are.

Think about what would happen if someone decided to say that a catfish was a cat because of the name. Now I cant say that 'cats are mammals' and so tell anyone who knows what a mammal is but not a cat that it has no gills and so not to immerse it in water. I cant say ' cats are good ratters' in case my other friend thinks it means catfish too and goes and buys one, and a 100 other things.

Some people probably think this is ridiculous but it is almost exactly what has happened in all sorts of ways to political labels and ideas. Its why there is such a prfusion of names and so much misunderstanding. Go and look in the 'what is a liberal' thread if you doubt it. Here we have a political term which is in daily use and yet in a political forum the impression martianwould get is that it is an obscure term which people barely grasp the meaning of and must be used in many different contexts.

He would look at sentences containing the word and say 'but surely this tells no-one anything' and he would be right.

In use it could mean almost anything from Capitalist to Communist to hippy depending on the user.

rant mode off

I have no idea how to resolve the problem and make people more aware that words are there to aid communication not to be the subject of it. Al too often they almost impede communciation.


(Edited by sc4r at 2:12 am on July 19, 2003)

[Felicia]

hmm, I'd take the time to read that but there is a really annoying voice that keeps yelling and she won't fucking SHUT UP, that *****, I don't care if she gave birth to me, she can go fuck herself!!!

I'll read your response later, I promise, I just can't concentrate on anything right now :)

[In It 4 The Money]

My avatar is the fabulous Brian Blessed

[Felicia]

Who's Brian Blessed?

[In It 4 The Money]

ARE YOU CRAZY?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?


He is like the god of acting!!!!!!


Notable appearences include : I Claudius, Blackadder (1st Series) and Flash Gordan and innumerable stae performances. Surely you are not oblivious?

I really hope i am not the only poster to understand his glory

[Felicia]

Flash Gordon....... the cartoon? I've seen that a few times when I was younger.....

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from In It 4 The Money on 11:00 pm on July 19, 2003
ARE YOU CRAZY?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?


He is like the god of acting!!!!!!


Notable appearences include : I Claudius, Blackadder (1st Series) and Flash Gordan and innumerable stae performances. Surely you are not oblivious?

I really hope i am not the only poster to understand his glory


He was also in that film about descovering the treasures of some ancient civiliation... but it turned out to be knowlade in the end... Cant remeber waht its called...

He was also in an episode of Blakes 7.

[Funkier Monk]

Yeh, it was some sort of film about Atlantis, starrred a treasure seeking American.

[sc4r]

(Edited by sc4r at 12:24 am on July 21, 2003)

[redstar2000]

If I say 'the right' people who know me know I'm talking really only about conservatives and very occasionally fascists. On the other hand Redstar means 'Conservatives, Fascists, and Capitalists and also I suspect some others.

The "right" is not a word I use much at all; the "left" is a word I use...reluctantly.

I have attempted precise definitions of "communism" and "socialism" in two threads in theory.

Since I don't consider the political differences between pro-capitalists to have much significance for us, I don't worry much about precision in terminology...their practice melts together sufficiently that I think it usually enough to just say "ruling class" and be done with it.

They are all our enemies.

:cool:

[marx loves you]

you are a mental disorder