How Education Prepetutates the Class System

[Nobody]

Think with me comrades. CEO's go to top unversities, right. And to get into those unversities you must go to a fancy prep school were top unversities decide wheather or not you're a "Yaleman" or a "Harvardman" right. But, the only people who can afford to go to those prep schools are the children of CEO's! That means every non-prep school kid who gets accepted into those types of unversities is a carrot for the working class. These ruling class fellows really think of everything.

[Urban Rubble]

First off, you don't have to go to prep school to be accepted to an Ivy league school although I'm sure it helps.

Second, you don't have to neccesarily be rich, there is at least the possibility of scholarship.

What is the solution ? Shut down all the good schools ?

[RAM]

I agree with Urban Rubble!

If you are good enough then you can get a scholarship.

Although LevTrosky does have a partial point though!

[Pete]

If you are good enough then you can get a scholarship.

If you have the time to excell in school, excell in community work, and excell in extra curriculars you are usually from the upper-middle or just plain upper class. You usually need to excell in these three things inorder to be considered for most awards. Frankly, there are 3 rich kids getting their entire schooling paid for through scholarships, when their parents are able to pay for it all. Those who have to excell in school and need a job often can only do community work or extra curriculars and are cut out of the major scholarships. Everything is a trap. A 90% average got me 2000$ and the rest rejections for lack of other activities. Although in 4 years I have been on 9 school teams, and 5 other 'commitee's and have put in HUNDREDS of communtiy service hours for a wide range of activities. Unfortuanately I was not balanced enough...if you get my picture.

In most cases the better off parents (mid-middle class and up) either go to private institutions (smaller classes) or enroll in the university stream, the poorer students usually go into the college stream. Those in the University stream will end up getting these 'better' jobs, and those in the college stream will get what is left. Then there are the kids who have to drop out to work for either their family or personal survival...the education system is slanted in favour of the ruling elite.

[Nobody]

And what about Alumni. Your daddy was smart and balanced, so you get in becasue of him. Yep, that makes sense.

[Pete]

How do you think that Bush got in where he did lev?

[Lardlad95]

Lev right concept wrong theory

Education is pub in AMerica is set up in way so that not everyone can excell.

Schools are over crowded, under funded and mismanaged.

only those who would have excelled anyway are going to.

Capitalism needs a perpetual education, they can't very well make it so that everyone lives up to their full potential.


i've attended some of the poorest schools in AMerica.

7th graders who struggled to read 1st grade books.

TH eonly reaosn it didn't affect me was because I was more than likely going to suceeded anyway.


Schools just don't have th proper resources to help children.

I'm sure in a better school some of those children would have done better

but public schooling is horrendous.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Having been through 5 years of under-grad and 4 yaers of graduate school, I can say that rubble, lev and petey all have valid ponts. I will start with comrade Lev.

Yes comrade, Ivy league Universtities are very tough to get into unless you are from a wealthy family and prep school does help. If you are not wealthy, dont have amazing SAT scores AND a 4.0- forgetaboutit. No one really wastes their time applying for undergrad studies at Harvard as it would not make sense. No one (and I truly mean no one) cares where your undergraduate degree came from if you hold a draduate degree of any sort. An MBA from a state University is just a marketable as an MBA from Yale. Undergraduate degrees from Ivy League schools are in all reality "resume fluff" for rich kids who were destined to run daddy's company or ride his/her coattails into public office. Their degrees are simply formalities so the parents don't get scoffed at during their cocktail parties. So in essence you are correct but it really does not matter anyway.

Petey,
You are correct in your description but like I said the idea of going to an Ivy League school for your undergraduate work is meaningless. Any High School Counselor that plants this seed in the minds of their students should be sacked straight away. I suggest for you to apply at any State University. With a resume like yours you can get into any of the top schools that reside just under Ivy League and as far as I'm concerned are much more reputable do to their massive exposure.

Rubble,
Agreed, you can't shut down these schools simply for being pretentious. Like I said before, once you get your graduate degree, no one of circumstance really cares where you got it from. The ones that do care are elitists organisations that you would not have gotten into anyway.

Edit:
Grammar and spelling

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 1:12 am on June 11, 2003)

[Nobody]

I agree its all fluff, and would not waste my time trying to get. But it seems to me that all the CEO go to these schools, and that is how they preputuate the class system, just sharing an observation and wanted to see were it went.

[Lardlad95]

um instead of trying to knock the people on top off the pedastal

why not bring the people below up to the pedastal.

SO we don't need to close these pretentious schools like RAF said

Instead we need to fix public education

[Vinny Rafarino]

Lev,

These CEO's would have taken over daddy's company regardless....they simply had the luxury of being wealthy and have plenty of time on their hands...Can you blame them? Can't you see it now...Chip, Preston and Biff sitting in the "commom" room of the county club sipping Louis the 13th and smoking Cohiba Robustos........(in my best Thurston Howell impersonation) "I made Preston Jr. go to Haaaarvard before he got my company just so I could show my face at the club" ......"Ha Ha Ha Preston! I know exactly what you mean...without our money our boys would barely make minimum wage!! Ha Ha Ha!!!"

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 2:29 am on June 11, 2003
Lev,

These CEO's would have taken over daddy's company regardless....they simply had the luxury of being wealthy and have plenty of time on their hands...Can you blame them? Can't you see it now...Chip, Preston and Biff sitting in the "commom" room of the county club sipping Louis the 13th and smoking Cohiba Robustos........(in my best Thurston Howell impersonation) "I made Preston Jr. go to Haaaarvard before he got my company just so I could show my face at the club" ......"Ha Ha Ha Preston! I know exactly what you mean...without our money our boys would barely make minimum wage!! Ha Ha Ha!!!"

ok am I the only one who sees the fact that under normal circumstances those boys would have made minimum wage is a problem?

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:45 pm on June 10, 2003
First off, you don't have to go to prep school to be accepted to an Ivy league school although I'm sure it helps.

Second, you don't have to neccesarily be rich, there is at least the possibility of scholarship.

What is the solution ? Shut down all the good schools ?
OK, so I know this guy, he's Mexican-American. He went to this private Catholic school. He got a perfect score on both his ACT and SAT. He told me that he applied and got accepted to Harvard, but that "they don't give scholarships." That's a fucking waste. Why bother?

[Vinny Rafarino]

ok am I the only one who sees the fact that under normal circumstances those boys would have made minimum wage is a problem?


Not at all LL...That's why I posted it.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 5:11 am on June 11, 2003
ok am I the only one who sees the fact that under normal circumstances those boys would have made minimum wage is a problem?


Not at all LL...That's why I posted it.


No i mean everyone is so focused on the advantages these guys have

When we should be focused on the disadvantages the average man has