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PRC-UTE
16th November 2008, 22:03
A cairde

We are friends of Noel Maguire presently being held in HMP Whitemoor; He has
informed us that his latest attempt to be repatriated has been denied.

Noel was one of 6 men convicted of three bomb attacks in the U.K on 8th April 2003.
All his co accused have been repatriated back to Ireland.

Noel has been refused repatriation on a number of occasions. The Irish authorities
claim wrongly that Noel has closer ties to the United Kingdom than to an
Irish jurisdiction despite Noels, having a wife, and a son and daughter, living in
County Carlow. This is Noels immediate kith and kin. Although Noel and his
wife are separated she has put in writing she is willing to visit Noel should he be
repatriated with the children.


Below is a copy of the letter received form Dermot Aherns office



This is Noels response;

Dear Mr Ahern

Thank you for your letter dated October 23 in reply to my application for repatriation.
I am aware the Council of Europe Convention on the Transfer of Sentenced Prisoners
does not confer an automatic right to be transferred - nor an obligation on any
state to
comply with a transfer request.

However what concerns me is the reason you have given to refuse my application.
You state that on balance you believe I have closer ties to the United Kingdom than
to an Irish jurisdiction. I would dispute this. How can that be?

I have a wife, and a son and daughter, living in County Carlow in the Irish republic.
They are my immediate kith and kin. Although my wife and I are separated she has
put in writing she is willing to visit me should I be repatriated to Portlaoise
Prison. A
copy of her letter is in your possession as I write this. If it has been mislaid I
can forward a copy.

I have not seen my son and daughter for over nine years. My wife - rightly - isn't
happy to bring
them over to this country and put them through the ordeal of visiting me in prison -
not to mention
the cost involved traveling and staying overnight in another country.

I have no family in Britain and my sole visitor is a non-relative.

Can you please explain why my wife, son and daughter are not considered to be my
next of kin?

Also can you explain how you reached the conclusion I have closer ties to the United
Kingdom than to
an Irish jurisdiction - bearing in mind I have no relatives living in the UK
whatsoever - and am the
bearer of an Irish republic passport which is still valid.

I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely

NOEL MAGUIRE

11.10.2008

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We are approaching every we believe can help Noel in the hope that we can get a
concerted writing and lobbying campaign going to bring this man home. Noel lived in
Co Fermanagh and holds a valid Irish Passport which expires in 2010 it is without
doubt a case where he is being denied recognition as an Irish Citizen and any rights
he had have been stripped of him, the words that scream out at you from Noels Letter
are I have not seen my son and daughter for over nine years This is so wrong as
are the reasons for his being refused repatriation




We are asking for your help on Noels behalf.

We feel that if enough people write to or lobby Dermot Aherns office using the
information provided in Noels letter and we can get at least a hundred letters then
they will realize that Noel is not going away and in fact has become a focal point
in which all Republicans are uniting in a common fight against the authorities and
their corrupt system then they may be tempted to allow him home.

We do not represent any group but are a few friends who are in direct contact with
Noel weekly and would like every right minded Republican to take Noels case and act
immediately asking members and friends of organisations we belong to and the
leadership to fight for the rights of one of our own,

The authorities believe we cannot come together for anything and will continue to do
their best to ensure that this never happens.

Please take the information within Noels letter which makes our point that Noel
should be eligible for Repatriation closer to his immediate family.



Thank You

Friends of Noel Maguire


Contact Information for Dermot Ahern

Constituency Office Dermot Ahern TD28 Francis StreetDundalkCo. Louth042 9329023

Dáil OfficeDermot Ahern TD Dáil Éireann Leinster House Kildare Street Dublin 2 01
618 3000
Alternately you can email me at [email protected] (http://emailmg.ipower.com/sqmail/src/compose.php?send_to=dermot%40dermotahern.ie)


Some fact on Noel;

Noel Maguire

Another Miscarriage of Justice by Corrupt British System


At Noels Trial the Evidence against him


The prosecution declared today that there was no direct evidence that any of the
three defendants had planted a bomb

Cell site information showed Maguires phone had been in the area of a yard in north
London where the taxi used in the BBC bomb was bought.

His thumbprints were subsequently discovered on one of the bank notes handed over
for the cab.

Result

Noel Maguire was sentenced to 22 years on the flimsiest of evidence

A knife attack on Noel in 2006 by 2 inmates who have since been charged with
attempted murder is an indication of the seriousness of the situation
Noel Maguire is the last remaining Irish political prisoner still incarcerated in an
English jail. All his co accused have been repatriated as was their
rights as Irish Citizens


Repatriation

The right to be repatriated to the country of your citizenship to serve a prison
sentence on humanitarian grounds as lay down by the European Directive.

A report by British Irish Rights Watch Committee on the Administration of Justice
Irish Commission for Prisoners Overseas concluded: Prisoners denied a transfer is
deprived of contact with their families and their home communities, lessening their
chances of successful reintegration on
their release. However, the people who suffer most from the failure to transfer
prisoners are their families, who are prevented by the long distances involved,
the cost of the journey,
And in some cases poor health, from visiting their relatives. Families visiting
republican prisoners in England have sometimes arrived to find that their relative
has been moved to another prison many miles away without their having been
informed, a practice known as ghosting. Relatives have also been subjected to
strip searches and been held under emergency laws when visiting their loved ones.
The UK government has consistently put its own political agenda before any
humanitarian consideration or any notion of respect for fundamental human rights
where the transfer of prisoners is concerned but it is the Irish Government who are

refusing Noel Repatriation on grounds which do not hold any validity whatsoever.


Reasons Noel should be repatriated: He is an Irish citizen and holds a current
Irish passport, issued in Dublin He easily qualifies for repatriation under the
European directive, which allows prisoners to be moved back to their own country to
serve their sentence closer to their family for purely humanitarian reasons. He has
not seen his children in 6 Years. There was an attempt to murder Noel in 2006 in
which he received serious knife wounds. If left alone and isolated his life would be
constantly under threat!
His physical and mental well being is in jeopardy if the Irish Government refuses
him the right to be brought home to serve his sentence in an Irish Jail

He has not seen his children in 9 Years

wigsa
23rd November 2008, 14:59
Although I do not agree with the fact that a man guilty of acts of terrorism is pleading with the Irish government on humane grounds,I feel the fact that the other men involved in the bombings have been repatriated is reason enough for the man to be brought back to Ireland and see his children.

However I do not pity the man,he is a terrorist who attempted to murder innocent people.And that is simply unacceptable.

DĂłchas
23rd November 2008, 20:14
on what grounds is he being refused repatriation?

PRC-UTE
23rd November 2008, 22:10
Although I do not agree with the fact that a man guilty of acts of terrorism is pleading with the Irish government on humane grounds,I feel the fact that the other men involved in the bombings have been repatriated is reason enough for the man to be brought back to Ireland and see his children.

However I do not pity the man,he is a terrorist who attempted to murder innocent people.And that is simply unacceptable.

where's the proof? he was convicted on purely circumstantial evidence of his fingerprints being on a taxi it's a farce.€

besides, even if he was a member, the RIRA ASU in England wasn't out to kill civilians at all, they bombed the BBC (at night) and carried out a rocket attack on the mi5 building on the thames.

PRC-UTE
23rd November 2008, 22:11
on what grounds is he being refused repatriation?

they said he didn't prove he had family in the area.

wigsa
23rd November 2008, 22:56
where's the proof? he was convicted on purely circumstantial evidence of his fingerprints being on a taxi it's a farce.€

besides, even if he was a member, the RIRA ASU in England wasn't out to kill civilians at all, they bombed the BBC (at night) and carried out a rocket attack on the mi5 building on the thames.


According to the news article I read about the issue,the police had just finished evacuating staff from the building,and the police/army bomb disposal squad were trying to carry out a controlled explosion when it went off.There were multiple injuries as a result.

Fuck that 'they didn't try and kill civilians' bollocks.It mightn't have been the objective,but don't try and deny that they were aware a bit of collateral damage was a large possibility.

freakazoid
24th November 2008, 07:28
Oh noes, terrorism. pff

I hope the stupid government lets him go back.

DĂłchas
24th November 2008, 18:39
they said he didn't prove he had family in the area.

thats complte bullshit why is he being singled out against all the other IRA members?

im surprised this wasnt in the news or something it seems pretty big

PRC-UTE
24th November 2008, 20:54
Fuck that 'they didn't try and kill civilians' bollocks.It mightn't have been the objective,but don't try and deny that they were aware a bit of collateral damage was a large possibility.

you realise that in a revolution, or even in a heightened period of class struggle, innocent people will die?

the unintentional (and even the intentional) casualties and deaths inflicted by republicans are all sad to me. but what about the death squads operating in Ireland? what about the loyalist murder gangs that still murder innocent nationalists? should we not fight back??

wigsa
27th November 2008, 13:26
Of course we should.In our country.Not in a foreign land which.Doing this only turns people against our cause.2001 was not a time of revolution.The troubles were past their peak and things were beginning to settle.Perhaps it would have been acceptable in the 60s and 70s,but not in the 21st century.As a nationalist living in the ROI,I cannot accept what you are saying.

'Fighting back' is not going across the sea and killing innocent people who have nothing to do with what is happening.Fighting back is searching out these loyalist scumbags and doing to them what they do to nationalists and catholics.IN THE NORTH.

Killfacer
27th November 2008, 20:21
you realise that in a revolution, or even in a heightened period of class struggle, innocent people will die?

the unintentional (and even the intentional) casualties and deaths inflicted by republicans are all sad to me. but what about the death squads operating in Ireland? what about the loyalist murder gangs that still murder innocent nationalists? should we not fight back??

Don't be so stupid. The "troubles" were not a revolution and any one who attempts to take innocent life without good reason deserves to be in jail.

Anyway, why can't his children come and see him in jail?

PRC-UTE
28th November 2008, 07:22
Don't be so stupid. The "troubles" were not a revolution and any one who attempts to take innocent life without good reason deserves to be in jail.

Anyway, why can't his children come and see him in jail?

this is called losing the plot.

Killfacer
28th November 2008, 14:15
this is called losing the plot.

This is called an inadequate answer.

PRC-UTE
29th November 2008, 01:50
This is called an inadequate answer.

Your responses are ill thought out, lazy and full of errors. Why doesn't his family come and see him? I doubt they've got the funds to make that trip and would you let your family travel through a country that views you as a terrorist? wise up.

Where's the proof that he wanted to take innocent life? This man wasn't trying to take innocent life. he was convicted on the basis of fingerprints on a feckin taxi.

The Brits and Loyalists still repress and even kill Irish people but I don't see the Left in Britain too upset. You don't care when it's just paddies.

Trying to overthrow the state and replace it with a more democratic state that achieves social justice is revolutionary. all republicans share those goals to some extent.

I should also mention that Noel Maguire has been badly injured in the past in prison by British criminals.

Killfacer
30th November 2008, 20:58
Your responses are ill thought out, lazy and full of errors. Why doesn't his family come and see him? I doubt they've got the funds to make that trip and would you let your family travel through a country that views you as a terrorist? wise up.

Where's the proof that he wanted to take innocent life? This man wasn't trying to take innocent life. he was convicted on the basis of fingerprints on a feckin taxi.

The Brits and Loyalists still repress and even kill Irish people but I don't see the Left in Britain too upset. You don't care when it's just paddies.

Trying to overthrow the state and replace it with a more democratic state that achieves social justice is revolutionary. all republicans share those goals to some extent.

I should also mention that Noel Maguire has been badly injured in the past in prison by British criminals.

Thats just fucking ridiculous. You genuinly think that they could, after 9 years, not afford the short trip to England? This is the 21st century, nearly everyone can afford to make a short inexpensive trip from Ireland to England. After 9 years, even if his childrens carers were on the dole, they would be able to afford it after 9 FUCKING years. Its blatantly obvious that this children not being able to see him angle is just a pathetic attempt to stir up some sympthathy for a morally bankrupt cretin.

Next you seem to think that the father wouldn't want his kids to travel through a country which considers him a murderer. Right, thats just about the most pathetic lame excuse i have ever heard. Do you think people are gonna attack his kids and shout "YOUR DADS A MURDERER" at them? Most people in the UK outside this forum have probably not even heard of him. Thats just a shit excuse aswell.

"You dont care when it's just paddies". Shut up you fucking twat. Stop pretending to be some kind of victim.

Noel Maguire has been injured in prison? Oh what a fucking shame. I'm pretty sure most people's stay in prison are not perfectly without some violence. Get over it.

Jorge Miguel
2nd December 2008, 00:00
Is there not a liberal forum on which you can spill your venomous outrage?

This political prisoner is just that, a political prisoner. His 'crimes' were politically motivated to further a noble cause. In my opinion, the methods were wrong all along, not just in 2001 but this does not distract from the fact this man is a political prisoner held in a hellhole prison system which murdered Terrence McSweeney, Roger Casement, Michael Gaughan and Frank Stagg, amongst others.

The issue is a human rights issue. This man should be repatriated to Ireland.

Killfacer
2nd December 2008, 14:26
Is there not a liberal forum on which you can spill your venomous outrage?

This political prisoner is just that, a political prisoner. His 'crimes' were politically motivated to further a noble cause. In my opinion, the methods were wrong all along, not just in 2001 but this does not distract from the fact this man is a political prisoner held in a hellhole prison system which murdered Terrence McSweeney, Roger Casement, Michael Gaughan and Frank Stagg, amongst others.

The issue is a human rights issue. This man should be repatriated to Ireland.

Blowing up people is wrong. Killing innocents is never okay and only in certain circumstances can it be justified. Why did he comit this act in the first place if he cares so much about human fucking rights?

It may have been a noble cause to begin with, but it was shattered by thugs like this man. There is nothing "noble" about the indiscriminet killing of innocents.

You just blindly support any former IRA because you beleive in their cause. Can you explain why i should feel any sympathy for a man who would happily of blown me up?

Jorge Miguel
2nd December 2008, 17:51
Blowing up people is wrong. He didn't.


Why did he comit this act in the first place if he cares so much about human fucking rights?Ah yes, because throwing flowers at an aggressor is a sure way to secure national independence. :D


There is nothing "noble" about the indiscriminet killing of innocents. He didn't. The national liberation forces here didn't.


You just blindly support any former IRA because you beleive in their cause.False.


Can you explain why i should feel any sympathy for a man who would happily of blown me up?Again, false and entirely subjective.

Coggeh
2nd December 2008, 22:29
Thats just fucking ridiculous. You genuinly think that they could, after 9 years, not afford the short trip to England? This is the 21st century, nearly everyone can afford to make a short inexpensive trip from Ireland to England. After 9 years, even if his childrens carers were on the dole, they would be able to afford it after 9 FUCKING years. Its blatantly obvious that this children not being able to see him angle is just a pathetic attempt to stir up some sympthathy for a morally bankrupt cretin.

Firstly if your going to post on this board please stop the flaming , nothing personnel I'm sure you don't do it usually but the board tends to come down hard on it .

Anyway, come on how can you seriously think you have any idea what situation his family is in ?
He has an irish passport which is still valid therefore he is an Irish citizen and his family lives in Ireland , whats the problem with maybe sending him to an Irish jail ? at least until his sentence is up ?


On another note the evidence in this trial was completely circumstantial , I am Irish but I have little or no sympathy with the IRA and its tactics but in a lot of cases the British government have acted on complete false evidence and this seems to be another case of it.

PRC-UTE
3rd December 2008, 01:10
Thats just fucking ridiculous. You genuinly think that they could, after 9 years, not afford the short trip to England? This is the 21st century, nearly everyone can afford to make a short inexpensive trip from Ireland to England. After 9 years, even if his childrens carers were on the dole, they would be able to afford it after 9 FUCKING years. Its blatantly obvious that this children not being able to see him angle is just a pathetic attempt to stir up some sympthathy for a morally bankrupt cretin.

they couldn't possibly be:

afflicted with a chronic illness;
afraid for their safety;
tied up struggling to survive;

the contempt you have for working class people is impressive.



Next you seem to think that the father wouldn't want his kids to travel through a country which considers him a murderer. Right, thats just about the most pathetic lame excuse i have ever heard. Do you think people are gonna attack his kids and shout "YOUR DADS A MURDERER" at them? Most people in the UK outside this forum have probably not even heard of him. Thats just a shit excuse aswell.

it's well know that most screws are loyalist or pro loyalist and pass on info all the time. you're instructed when you write to pows to keep in mind that all info you send will be read and could likely be sent onto loyalist paras. most republicans I know have been harassed when travelling to Britain.



"You dont care when it's just paddies". Shut up you fucking twat. Stop pretending to be some kind of victim.

I'm not claiming to be a victim, it's not even about me. this is misplaced and your constant flames and attempts to make this personal show the weakness of your thinking regarding this.

fact is, lots of my friends and family were driven from their homes by loyalists, often backed up by the RUC and British Army. And I never see this brought into discussions about the Troubles by British "Leftists". Not once have I seen the British Left admit that basically republicans were motivated by defence. so all of your critiques that follow this ignorance are based in idealist, pie in the sky understandings of the Troubles. You don't know or even care about the basic facts involved, so you fall back on the ruling class lie that republicans are criminals or bigots. your petit bourgeois hysteria confirms this.



Noel Maguire has been injured in prison? Oh what a fucking shame. I'm pretty sure most people's stay in prison are not perfectly without some violence. Get over it.

speaks for itself. you're no Marxist.

Killfacer
3rd December 2008, 19:00
Contempt for working class people? Stop bullshitting.

The idea that his entire family in ireland have some kind of chronic illness is just fucking ridiculous. Listen to yourself. Is there any evidence that they are "too ill" to go to England? No.

Afraid for their safety? Thats nearly as lame an excuse as the first one. Nobody will fucking know who they. I know loads of repuclican people who live in England (one to be exact), in fact i go to the pub with one regularly, but he certainly isn't harrased. Nobody knows, nobody cares. Your making it out as though his children are going to be harrased when they clearly wont.

"Tied up, struggling to survive". Sorry mate, this stupid sop story just lacks any weight. This is even more circumstantial than the evidence used to convict the bloke in the first place. You have basically made up a load of frankly poor excuses and then told me that i'm some evil capitalist anti irish pig.

You misunderstand me, i have bucket loads of sympthathy for those who were driven out of their homes. Its disgraceful and i would never support this. However, when a cause is hijacked by thugs and people happy to kill people, then they loose my sympathy.

No i am not a marxist and have never claimed to be one. He said a lot of good things but i certainly would not call myself a marxist, so stop with your petty "YOU AINT A MARXIST" crap.

As for you Tupolli, the answer "thats just completely subjective" just isn't an asnwer. Can someone pleade explain to me why i should have sympathy for someone who would have happily killed me or anyone in my family?

Jorge Miguel
3rd December 2008, 19:49
why i should have sympathy for someone who would have happily killed me or anyone in my family?How do you know this?


However, when a cause is hijacked by thugs and people happy to kill people, then they loose my sympathy.So when did this happen?

Killfacer
3rd December 2008, 20:40
So are you saying that during the preperations for an IRA bombing, they would have said: "OH NO! Killfacer is going to be their, lets not blow it up anymore" ?

Jorge Miguel
3rd December 2008, 20:45
So are you saying that during the preperations for an IRA bombing, they would have said: "OH NO! Killfacer is going to be their, lets not blow it up anymore" ?Can you answer the question?

Killfacer
3rd December 2008, 21:01
Which one, you seem to answer most of my questions by asking questions yourself?

Killfacer
3rd December 2008, 21:02
(edit- oops) I just repeated myself so ignore this .

Jorge Miguel
4th December 2008, 08:04
Can you answer the question?

DĂłchas
6th December 2008, 12:00
this thread is going the same way as this one


http://www.revleft.com/vb/50-irish-republicans-t94696/index.html

Killfacer
6th December 2008, 18:34
Hence why i stopped posting.

DĂłchas
6th December 2008, 18:38
ye i just gave up in the end its not worth it