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spice756
16th November 2008, 10:22
Here are the conservative propaganda I keep hearing over and over.

Conservative talk NAFTA investment by US corporations in facilities in Mexico.

Not true they never did.

Conservative talk.NAFTA helps Mexico.

No it does not it does the opposite.

Conservative talk NAFTA helps Canada and is good to Canada .

No it does not.

Conservative talk Influx of capital to Mexico or Canada

No it does not.

Conservative talk Mexico's Oil exports to the US .

But the US does not give the proper money for the Oil exports .

Conservative talk offshoring and outsourcing like US business that move to China or India

Not part of NAFTA or globalization .

Conservative talk stiff import dutie

There is none.

Conservative talk.NAFTA investment in Canada

Not that much.

Conservative talk protectionism is bad and has not worked .

Where are you getting that info it is bad and not worked.

Conservative talk NAFTA gives people jobs in Canada and Mexico

It takes jobs away and the US controls stuff.

Conservative talk NAFTA gives people more pay in Canada and Mexico

It exploits them.

Conservative talk NAFTA takes people out of poverty.

It does the opposite

Conservative talk NAFTA gives people jobs in Canada and Mexico

It does not and if any you work for low pay.



Print this FAQ you will need it , the Conservative talk is driving me mad.

Anti Freedom
16th November 2008, 23:53
Where is the FAQ? I don't see any statistics, links, or anything like that provided. I mean, I guess saying "no" a lot answers a question, but it is hardly a constructive answer.

Ele'ill
17th November 2008, 02:33
Hey this reminds me, anyone hear any recent news regarding the WTO? (links to updated sites with current issues/violations/action would be nice) and does anyone have an opinion on the IMF's newest quota reform proposal?

danyboy27
17th November 2008, 05:09
Here are the conservative propaganda I keep hearing over and over.

Conservative talk NAFTA investment by US corporations in facilities in Mexico.

Not true they never did.


Maquiladoras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquiladora) (Mexican factories which take in imported raw materials and produce goods for export) have become the landmark of trade in Mexico. These are plants that moved to this region from the United States, hence the debate over the loss of American jobs. Hufbauer's (2005) book shows that income in the maquiladora sector has increased 15.5% since the implementation of NAFTA in 1994.
source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA#Trade



Here are the conservative propaganda I keep hearing over and over.

Conservative talk.NAFTA helps Mexico.

No it does not it does the opposite.



Other sectors now benefit from the free trade agreement, and the share of exports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export) from non-border states has increased in the last five years while the share of exports from maquiladora-border states has decreased. This phenomenon has allowed for the rapid growth of non-border metropolitan areas, such as Toluca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca), León (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3n,_Guanajuato) and Puebla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puebla,_Puebla); all three larger in population than Tijuana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana), Ciudad Juárez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez), and Reynosa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynosa). The main non-maquiladora industry that has benefited from NAFTA is the automobile industry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA#Trade

their economy is getting better and our economy is dying, so its basicly help mexico.





Conservative talk NAFTA helps Canada and is good to Canada .

No it does not.


yes and no...it does take our job away, but allow us to get cheaper good.




Conservative talk Influx of capital to Mexico or Canada

No it does not.
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its does give more money to the mexican industries, and at the same time it does help our industry to get cheaper good, so we can make profit out of it.





Conservative talk Mexico's Oil exports to the US .

But the US does not give the proper money for the Oil exports .

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i seen nowhere that nafta have something to do with oil, anyway i am pretty sure most of the oil mexico get come from Venezuela, i am not sure tho.







Conservative talk offshoring and outsourcing like US business that move to China or India

Not part of NAFTA or globalization .


what are you talking about, i dont understand that sentence.




Conservative talk stiff import dutie

There is none.
.
then again i am not sure what you are trying to say, its badly written.





Conservative talk.NAFTA investment in Canada

Not that much.

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NAFTA have been implented to facilitate Commercial relations between canada and america, and by looking how much us industries have created job in my city, i pretty much disagree about that.




Conservative talk protectionism is bad and has not worked .

Where are you getting that info it is bad and not worked.

.
i am getting that info in my city, where we, the taxpayer pay a naval yard to stay open for already 20 year while they cant build any ship beccause they dont have any contracts. Protectionism is okay...sometimes.




Conservative talk NAFTA gives people jobs in Canada and Mexico

It takes jobs away and the US controls stuff.


agree with that, but i am not the one who think the us really control stuff, regarding the current financial crisis.





Conservative talk NAFTA takes people out of poverty.

It does the opposite

Depends, in my province, we got a shitload of mexican coming picking up the strawberry beccause nobody want to do that, and from what they told, they make enough money to last a full year in 3 month.

Seriously, take your time to make more detailled explanation and add sources, it would greatly help. watch how you type too.

i understand why you are hangry, but there is no need to do a Uber post beccause of that.
its not like we where not aware of that.

TheCultofAbeLincoln
17th November 2008, 05:25
God fucking dammit.

I quoted the OP and was about to enter a long post debating every point. Spetznaz already did....fucker

danyboy27
17th November 2008, 05:28
God fucking dammit.

I quoted the OP and was about to enter a long post debating every point. Spetznaz already did....fucker

lol spetznaz are the best man

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2007/06/spetznaz.jpg

spice756
29th November 2008, 01:23
sorry for delay .I have been very busy of late.




NAFTA have been implented to facilitate Commercial relations between canada and america, and by looking how much us industries have created job in my city, i pretty much disagree about that.


Yes MAFTA may invest in Canada and Mexico but does it help the people.And what type of investment is the problem too.


Maquiladoras (Mexican factories which take in imported raw materials and produce goods for export) have become the landmark of trade in Mexico.

But it takes jobs away that factory B or C can make that raw material in Mexico.Now they have to import it.




These are plants that moved to this region from the United States, hence the debate over the loss of American jobs. Hufbauer's (2005) book shows that income in the maquiladora sector has increased 15.5% since the implementation of NAFTA in 1994.
source:




But those factories moving to Mexico thanks to NAFTA exploits them low pay and long work hours.



its does give more money to the mexican industries, and at the same time it does help our industry to get cheaper good, so we can make profit out of it.


But it is the capitalists who do well not the workers.



Conservative talk NAFTA helps Canada and is good to Canada .
No it does not.

yes and no...it does take our job away, but allow us to get cheaper good
.

But NAFTA allows US companies to move to Canada and exploit the workers and environment .And the Canadian government cannot do any thing part of the trade agreement.

Also it allows US companies to buy out Canadian companies .This is bad because we are losing Canadian companies .And the profit goes back to the US .They than the exploit workers and environment .

I hate it when a US companies buy out Canadian companies .