Never Go Back!! - Bush Packing federal courts...

[RedCeltic]

Throughout his term, President Bush has been packing the federal courts with far right judges - all of whom will serve lifetime appointments. Women's rights, civil rights and pro-choice organizations have been fighting hard to protect the Circuit Courts of Appeals and key District Courts, but now there is a BIGGER fight looming. Up to 2 of the 9 SUPREME COURT Justices are expected to retire this summer. With many rights -
including the right to safe, legal abortion - currently hanging by a 5-4
balance, these Bush appointments have the potential to turn back the clock on a range of hard won rights.

http://www.nevergoback.org/courts_chat.asp

[Anonymous]

Well, I'm happy.

[RAM]

That could be bad if the issues were hard won!

[Umoja]

And that also gives the left thousands more potential allies. That's a very good thing.

[RAM]

Yes much better than the right hvaing the alliles

[Ghost Writer]

Here is an example of the mentally deranged thinking that fear-mongers who reside on the pro-choice side of the debate are guilty of:

"Redefining the legal status of the fetus: New Child Health Insurance Program regulations bypass women and give prenatal care to fetuses, redefined as children from the moment of conception. Right here in Oregon, your anti-choice legislators are working on a state version of the federal so-called "Unborn Victims of Violence Act." By charging an offender who harms a pregnant woman with a separate offense for harm to the fetus, these bills create separate personhood status for the fetus. When the fetus is elevated to a status above that of the woman, Roe is moot and women's bodies become mere vessels."

source: A link from Planned Parenthood's Website (http://www.behindeverychoice.com/030527_portland_speech.asp)

It appears that Planned Parenthood opposes insurance coverage for prenatal care. Not only that, but they advocate laws that fail to protect the life of a wanted child, such as the Peterson child, which was murdered in a heinous act.

You're right RedCeltic, I would much rather have the courts packed with those who subscribe to this inhumane mode of thinking. Those who deny the inevitable personhood of a human fetus are living a lie. I don't think there has ever been a case where a human as given birth to offspring that is not, in fact, human. There may be an exception when it comes to communist births, since they are less than human. In such cases, I would recommend abortion, for the safety of the parents and the entire world.

[CubanFox]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 11:29 am on June 10, 2003
There may be an exception when it comes to communist births, since they are less than human. In such cases, I would recommend abortion, for the safety of the parents and the entire world.

What the hell is your problem? Why do you think leftists are inferior? I don't think you or any other rightist is inferior, just misguided.

[Ghost Writer]

"Why do you think leftists are inferior?"

Because leftists exhibit symptoms of severe mental illness. If this mental disability is genetic, then you are born handicapped. Therefore, you are inferior. However, given the threat that the left wing poses to my way of life, I would not consider giving them their own handicap parking passes, but rather, locking them all away in insane asylums, where they truly belong.

[CubanFox]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 12:14 pm on June 10, 2003
"Why do you think leftists are inferior?"

Because leftists exhibit symptoms of severe mental illness. If this mental disability is genetic, then you are born handicapped. Therefore, you are inferior. However, given the threat that the left wing poses to my way of life, I would not consider giving them their own handicap parking passes, but rather, locking them all away in insane asylums, where they truly belong.

What symptoms are these, exactly?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Ghost Whiner, you are really not at all that bright, you should really stop posting.

Please provide some medical proof of your claim that leftist views are caused by a genetic mental inconsistancy or disability. I have a PhD and have never heard of any psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist ever say something so utterly absurd. Why you ask? Because these individuals are also smarter than you ya wee little fuck-stick.

In case you can't count past five GW old boy, PhD=eight years at University. (simply add three more fingers from the other hand and you will have it GW) Now go play with your action men.

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 3:25 pm on June 10, 2003
I have a PhD

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

Where'd you get it?! Texas A&M?

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 9:01 am on June 11, 2003)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

A fetus is a fetus, not a human.
A woman has to carry the fetus and nourish it. she has no choice in the matter.
the fetus is in her body. It is her body isn't it?
So therefore, it being her body, she does what she likes with it, no?
PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERTY!!
why should the law dictate what we do with our own bodies?
'for our own good'?
gimme a break. why should some idiot politician decide what happens to our own bodies? because his lies were more convincing than the opposition? please.

[synthesis]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 11:29 am on June 10, 2003
There may be an exception when it comes to communist births, since they are less than human. In such cases, I would recommend abortion, for the safety of the parents and the entire world.
Note to others: Don't feed the trolls.

[Ghost Writer]

"What symptoms are these, exactly?"

Mental health professionals label a behavior as psychologically disordered when it is judged to be atypical, disturbing, maladaptive, and unjustifiable.

Atypical behavior must be disturbing to others to be considered disordered. Considering the fact that very few people actually subscribe to the teachings of Marx; and those that do are actually a small minority of the population, which hold views and engage in acts that horrify the rest of society, communists definitely fit those two criteria. Their thinking, and the behavior that follows is not only atypical, but is judged, by most, to be disturbing. Thus, communism fits those two criteria of a psychological disorder.

Oh course, the standards vary from culture to culture, but seeing as how I live in the United States I will take an ethnocentric perspective, in this case. American culture is the datum I will use to gauge what people consider to be disturbing. In this case, my assertion still stands.

Next, we move onto what is considered to be maladaptive. This is behavior that consistently produces negative results for those who practice it. A good example would be a man who continually pounds his head into a wall, regardless of the pain he feels. Maladaptive behavior is key to labeling a mental disorder. It must be disabling or distressing and increase the risk of suffering. Considering the historical pattern of Marxist-Leninist ideology, its effect of the economy, the death toll it produces, and the overall suffering of the people living under its edicts, it most certainly qualifies. Anyone who would subscribe to this thinking, especially with knowledge of the historical scorecard, is a nervous wreck, as they suggest a political theory analogous to the beating of one's head against the wall.

Finally, we must determine whether or not communism is justifiable. Of course, any rational human being will acknowledge the basic human rights of all people. Marx's ten recommendations for the implementation of a socialist state are suspect since many of them counter the fundamental rights of human beings, such as property ownership, or the right to keep what one earns. Marx's views on property take us all back to a political perspective alive and well prior to the Magna Carta. Is communism justifiable? I think not. Again we can look to the human toll this ideology has caused throughout the 20th century to answer one of the criteria for a behavior to be labeled disordered. Were the abolition of property, and the forced equality of people worth the 100,000,000 people who died as a result? Again, any rational person would answer that question negatively.

Since, we have analyzed the merits of communism by the four major criteria to determine whether or not a behavior is disordered, and answered each of them positively, we can conclude that communists do, in fact, suffer from a mental disorder. I only fear that there is no cure for their particularly severe variety.

"I have a Ph.D. and have never heard of any psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist ever say something so utterly absurd."

As for the Comrade RAF, Ph.D's, statement. He is, not surprisingly, wrong. In fact, psychologists agree that all behaviors are caused by genetic, physiological, and environmental factors. I am sure that even the most uneducated among us will recognize this as the age-old nature vs. nurture debate. In the psychological profession most people concede that both nature and nurture play a role. The question has to do with the relative degree each one actually plays. As any 1st grade student could tell, I happen to take the view that the behavior of communists has more to do with a genetic defect than environmental factors. That being said; I do not rule out environmental factors altogether. I am sure the communist gene has skipped a generation, and had the child been given up for adoption it would have turned out normal. However, the environmental factors of having a demented parent overruled any chance of a normal life for the child. The child who looked to its major influence for guidance then mimicked the disturbing behavior of the parent, only to have its mind crippled. Whatever the cause of this mental disorder, it is an unfortunate disease that must be attacked more ferociously than we attack the AIDS virus.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:39 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

"A fetus is a fetus, not a human."

Correction; a human fetus is a human fetus, not a full grown human. It has all the genetic coding of a human. Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

[Ghost Writer]

By the way, for someone with a Ph.D, you certaintly aren't up to date on the psychological literature are you. It is well documented that anxiety disorders, mood disorders, schizophrenia, and personality disorders do exhibit signs of genetic predisposition. Please tell me were you received your Ph.D from, so I can remember to rule them out as an possibility for my graduate studies.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 11:18 am on June 11, 2003)

[RAM]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 10:40 am on June 11, 2003
"A fetus is a fetus, not a human."

Correction; a human fetus is a human fetus, not a full grown human. It has all the genetic coding of a human. Prove me wrong. I am waiting.



Some would say that from an ethical point of view the fetus is a human as you have to decide when life begins for abortion cases as some people take life to begine earlier at conception

But yes I would agree with you Ghost Writter

[Ghost Writer]

Yes, for abortion you must decide when it is acceptable to terminate a human fetus, and rule out its possibility for life on this planet as a human being. Those are the facts. To suggest that the fetus is anything other than human is absurd, and is not consistent with the scientific data. It is an argument used to justify the wholesale killing of human beings at any stage of development in the womb. Anything past the first trimester is inhumane in my view. There is no excuse for not hitting the abortion clinic within the first three months of pregnancy. Now days we have the capability of saving extreme cases of premature births from death. The fetus at that stage is sentient enough to grasp a human finger. Why should some, at that age, be saved and cared for, while others like them are thrown in a bloody trashheep?

[RAM]

I do not know! Although there is the tale of Beethoven birth and how if you hear what has happend to all the previous births then you may aborted beathoven on previous events!

Where are yuo from Ghost Writer as I wonder what your countries laws are?

[Ghost Writer]

The United States

[RAM]

Ok then!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So GW you are saying women should be punished for attempting to control what goes on with their own bodies?
and what about fetuses about to be born into poverty and malnutrition? is it better to terminate something that you cannot possibly afford to look after, or to have it born into a lifetime of misery?

and by your definition of 'insane' all the capitalists in the 18th century were mad?
Idiot.

[RAM]

I also find that some argument are on religous grounds rather than logical arguing!
There could be a problem with arborting fetuses that have a particular disease becuase we would then be clensing the population at a local level!