Take Us, or Leave Us

[Loknar]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88593,00.html


You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.

(Edited by Loknar at 7:47 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

don't worry, I'll be leaving soon enough, thank god

[Loknar]

If you're moving away vic I wish you the best of luck.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I mean when I'm done with my education, that'll be in like three to ten years. then i'll choose where to live. As of now, i don't think you should dissmiss me from America just because I don't like it. Yes, it may be true, I don't like the government, I don't like the mentality, I don't like well...anything. So I'll probably leave when I'm old enough to do so.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'd also like to make clear that dissagreement with the governmet is no reason to be unwelcomed from a country. One may hate the government, or the current administration, but like the system, the people, the virtues, etc.

My personal hatred lies deeper than simply the government, so I suppose th logical choice would be to leave. Unless of course I have plans to dramaticaly change things. And it is my right to do that, but i choose not to. Either way, it is not FOX's business to determine who is welcome into the US and who isn't, especialy on a basis of who agrees with Bush and his cronies. The love it or leave it thing is amazingly reserved for conservative administartions. When Clinton was president and all the republicans were saying how he's not their president, I don't remember the leftists saying how tehy should all leave America, or love it. Probably beacuse the leftists have a tendency to criticize right-wing actions that are closely tied to the conservative qualities of America's government. This just goes to show how narrow-minded the people are.

(Edited by Victorcommie at 3:41 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Loknar]

Liberals and Conservatives just critisize eachother because that is the kind of business they are in. Both sides do it religously (I am a conservative and I know people like Rush and Ann Coulter are arrogant). The Fox writter is just making a point in the foreign affairs spectrum, people who may have a different opinion are welcomed by all means. other countries hate us but have no problem useing our money.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Loknar on 7:45 pm on June 8, 2003
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88593,00.html


You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.

(Edited by Loknar at 7:47 pm on June 8, 2003)



1. You get this from foxnews the most propaganda laced biased news empire on earth

2. You have to survive under the system you live in

I live in America, I can't very well starve to death because I dissagree with capitalism.


If you lived in a city with a socialsit mayor would you move away because he was a socialist?

I'd bet not you'd just disagree with him and get on with your life

[Loknar]

Ok Lard

The article is absoutely correct.

Copy every point in the article and debunk it,

(Edited by Loknar at 10:40 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Don't bother LL. I read it...it's the same right-wing propoganda you would get from that fat fucker Limbaugh. Is this the best you got Loknar? You capitalist schweinhunt, you can't even provide credible
sources for your subversionist efforts. Just the same Wally Georg archtype imbeciles. This source here is about as cool as Tina Turner in "Beyond Thunderdome"

Who runs Barter Town?

It sure is fuck isn't Masterblaster....I say it's now Dubya.

[Loknar]

OK RAF

Adress every point in the article. Which I am inviting everyone to do.

[James]

Indonesia, you have no problem with Usama bin Laden? Then give him a call after the next terrorist attack in your country, courtesy of Usama bin Laden.

I assume you want us to address this?

Its pointless doing so because anyone with half a brain cell can figure out why such a country may appear to support an attack on America.


Germany, you don't flip over our troops in your country? Then you protect your own damn country.

I can't see that happening... The US wants basses in Europe. As they want one in Cuba, and in the middle east.
God this is so narrow minded.

Also, who's attacking Germany?

France, you think we're too heavy-handed? Well, don't look to us the next time you need a hand

Is this refering to the 2 war's in which completly destroyed France's country men, property and land? Or something else?
Wait till you have a war in your country before you judge others who are reluctant to sort out differences with physical force.
Is it the Patriot "point" that the US "saved" france?
Well firstly it was collective, if it hadn't been for the UK then the war may have ended before the US got involved. If the USSR hadn't been involved then all of Europe would have been destroyed. lar die dar
Secondly, don't be so fucking arrogant. Which country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for many FRENCH IDEAS, and more importantly; FRENCH MONEY, ARMS and SOLDIERS?

NATO friends don't like our NATO influence? Then try doing without our NATO money.

I don't understand this point. Can someone explain it?
Well i mean, Loknar; please explain what the "point" is here.

Arab friends don't think much of our going after a despot threatening the world? Let's see what you do the next time a despot threatens you.
despot?

Is this Saddam or Bin Laden? Either way, both have the same connection with the US. Maybe your arab friends don't think much of you hypocracy, rape, oppression and arrogance?
Just a thought...

You say we're too focused on terror? Well, see what you would do if terrorists were focused on flying planes into your buildings and killing your people and scaring your kids.

Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.

You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.

Country?
Did you mean to say government and/or foreign policy?

Most countries need money badly. They will take any they can.
Grow up please.

I'm not saying you have to like us. But consider very seriously what some of your own ungrateful lives would be like, without us.

gee... here's one example.
Iraq could be more democratic, have an improved infer-structure, be healthy and educated, have low crime rates, be rich and developed, expanding, etc etc etc etc

Gee; was this really a point to make?

I like it how this guy
A) doesn't give a contact address; so obviously can't defend this tripe
B) has a show?
Called common sense!
BWA HA HA HA HA


(Edited by James at 11:19 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Loknar on 10:39 pm on June 8, 2003
Ok Lard

The article is absoutely correct.

Copy every point in the article and debunk it,

(Edited by Loknar at 10:40 pm on June 8, 2003)


opinion on this article depends on the person who is reading it.

I have a leftist biased, obviously I would develop whatever arguement i could to debunk it.

However the fact of the matter is that even if I did so I doubt I would convince you of anything.

but sure why not I'll post when I'm done reading



(Edited by Lardlad95 at 11:21 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Lardlad95]

Wait....what fucking points?


That was total opinion. There is nuthing to debunk.

Not to mention do I represent the nations of INdonesia,France, and Germany?


Hell no. I just find it funny that there are US bases all over hte world but no othre nation has bases here.

But whatever, I could give less than a fuck.

those people in their nations have a right to their opinion, but this article has nothing to debunk.



Do you want me to debunk the fact that there is a US base in Germany?

Or that Indonesians don't like Americans?

This article is niether totally fact or totally opinion.


It's just a guy talking about how other countries dislike the US.

what exactley is there to argue?

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 11:23 pm on June 8, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

You asked for it schweinhunt, so here it is.

It goes from contempt in Jordan, where only one percent of those surveyed expressed a favorable opinion of the United States, to mild hatred in Indonesia and Turkey -- where 15 percent felt the same way -- to general distrust in Germany and France.

This one's accurate...I would imagine because these beople have been very vocal lately about their dislike for the terrorist regime of the USA. To say otherwise would have made the author look like a fool. But don't worry comrades...he does a splendid job of it later.

Big surprise. But here's the kicker: In Indonesia, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority, more people had confidence in Usama bin Laden to "do the right thing in world affairs."
You've got to be kidding me!

Get used to it terrorist pid-dog. Everyone sees your regime's folly but you and your right-wing propaganda spouting, bud lite drinking, chicken wing eating obese yanquee arses.

Majorities in NATO countries want less dependence on the U.S.
They don't like us. Call it the war. Call it Bush's cowboy style. Call it whatever you want, they want to see and hear less of us.
I say, have it your way. You don't like us, you won't have to put up with us.

A bit totalitarian of this pigdog isn't it?

Indonesia, you have no problem with Usama bin Laden? Then give him a call after the next terrorist attack in your country, courtesy of Usama bin Laden.

I'm pretty sure Osama is concentrating his efforts on disrupting Dubya's facist regime. Hopefully he will fly a plane into your house next.

Germany, you don't flip over our troops in your country? Then you protect your own damn country.
France, you think we're too heavy-handed? Well, don't look to us the next time you need a hand.

Both countries mentioned here are nuclear powers and do not need "help" from the US terrorists. Fool.


NATO friends don't like our NATO influence? Then try doing without our NATO money.

Your NATO money? How mighty white of you think NATO belongs to the USA. Their headquarters are in Belgium fool. What a piss-poor excuse for a journalist this scumbag is.


Arab friends don't think much of our going after a despot threatening the world? Let's see what you do the next time a despot threatens you.

He already is threatening the world. His name is George W. Bush

You say we're too focused on terror? Well, see what you would do if terrorists were focused on flying planes into your buildings and killing your people and scaring your kids

Focused on terror? More like focused on oil under the guise of defending against "terror". Go ask an Iraqi mother who just lost her baby to "smart" bombs how "terrified" she is. I'm sure her answer isn't going to be "because of Osama Bin Laden". You're simply a jackass.

You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.
I'm not saying you have to like us. But consider very seriously what some of your own ungrateful lives would be like, without us.

Fruitful and happy you arrogant capitalist pig.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from James on 11:14 pm on June 8, 2003
Indonesia, you have no problem with Usama bin Laden? Then give him a call after the next terrorist attack in your country, courtesy of Usama bin Laden.

I assume you want us to address this?

Its pointless doing so because anyone with half a brain cell can figure out why such a country may appear to support an attack on America.


Germany, you don't flip over our troops in your country? Then you protect your own damn country.

I can't see that happening... The US wants basses in Europe. As they want one in Cuba, and in the middle east.
God this is so narrow minded.

Also, who's attacking Germany?

France, you think we're too heavy-handed? Well, don't look to us the next time you need a hand

Is this refering to the 2 war's in which completly destroyed France's country men, property and land? Or something else?
Wait till you have a war in your country before you judge others who are reluctant to sort out differences with physical force.
Is it the Patriot "point" that the US "saved" france?
Well firstly it was collective, if it hadn't been for the UK then the war may have ended before the US got involved. If the USSR hadn't been involved then all of Europe would have been destroyed. lar die dar
Secondly, don't be so fucking arrogant. Which country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for many FRENCH IDEAS, and more importantly; FRENCH MONEY, ARMS and SOLDIERS?

NATO friends don't like our NATO influence? Then try doing without our NATO money.

I don't understand this point. Can someone explain it?
Well i mean, Loknar; please explain what the "point" is here.

Arab friends don't think much of our going after a despot threatening the world? Let's see what you do the next time a despot threatens you.
despot?

Is this Saddam or Bin Laden? Either way, both have the same connection with the US. Maybe your arab friends don't think much of you hypocracy, rape, oppression and arrogance?
Just a thought...

You say we're too focused on terror? Well, see what you would do if terrorists were focused on flying planes into your buildings and killing your people and scaring your kids.

Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.

You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.

Country?
Did you mean to say government and/or foreign policy?

Most countries need money badly. They will take any they can.
Grow up please.

I'm not saying you have to like us. But consider very seriously what some of your own ungrateful lives would be like, without us.

gee... here's one example.
Iraq could be more democratic, have an improved infer-structure, be healthy and educated, have low crime rates, be rich and developed, expanding, etc etc etc etc

Gee; was this really a point to make?

I like it how this guy
A) doesn't give a contact address; so obviously can't defend this tripe
B) has a show?
Called common sense!
BWA HA HA HA HA


(Edited by James at 11:19 pm on June 8, 2003)


James...let this shit go man. Htis guy didn't even really form an arguement, in fact it sounded like more of a response to an initial arguement.

where exactley did he bring up a debatable point

[James]

i've sent him/her an email

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from James on 11:31 pm on June 8, 2003
i've sent him/her an email

don't expect a reply..I sent bill orielly an e,ail and he hasn' replied or put it on his show

[James]

ah don't worry LL
I'm waiting to get tired so i can sleep, so don't mind really

Plus i know Loknar won't be able to defend any "points"; this is just going to provide me with an excuse and reason for not reading his posts in the future.

[James]

lol LL, i know

Its more for me... for my inner self etc etc

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from James on 11:34 pm on June 8, 2003
ah don't worry LL
I'm waiting to get tired so i can sleep, so don't mind really

Plus i know Loknar won't be able to defend any "points"; this is just going to provide me with an excuse and reason for not reading his posts in the future.

but there weren't any points to begin with

"Germany, yo don't like our troops there, then defend your own nation"(paraphrased)

isn't a point, it's a statement, and barely that.

[James]

thus i said;
"points"

[Loknar]

Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.


Actually 3 attacks in 1 day. 3 buildings had a plane flown into them and we have 3,000 dead people. Which attack has bee worse then 9-11? Please name something. How many Brits have died from a terror attack? Blowing up tea factories is allot different from destroying a sky scrapper and when we are bombed we dont sit around and moan like a whore, we go out and kick some ass. Destroying the enemy from its nest is the best way to disorganize them, it worked against the Barbary pirates and it worked against Al-Queda.

(Edited by Loknar at 12:16 am on June 9, 2003)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:15 am on June 9, 2003

Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.


Actually 3 attacks in 1 day. 3 buildings had a plane flown into them and we have 3,000 dead people. Which attack has bee worse then 9-11? Please name something. How many Brits have died from a terror attack? Blowing up tea factories is allot different from destroying a sky scrapper and when we are bombed we dont sit around and moan like a whore, we go out and kick some ass. Destroying the enemy from its nest is the best way to disorganize them, it worked against the Barbary pirates and it worked against Al-Queda.

(Edited by Loknar at 12:16 am on June 9, 2003)


going out and kicking some ass...my how mature you sound

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:15 am on June 9, 2003

Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.


Actually 3 attacks in 1 day. 3 buildings had a plane flown into them and we have 3,000 dead people. Which attack has bee worse then 9-11? Please name something. How many Brits have died from a terror attack? Blowing up tea factories is allot different from destroying a sky scrapper and when we are bombed we dont sit around and moan like a whore, we go out and kick some ass. Destroying the enemy from its nest is the best way to disorganize them, it worked against the Barbary pirates and it worked against Al-Queda.

(Edited by Loknar at 12:16 am on June 9, 2003)


I think I heard Rumsfield use the "nest" excuse...Loknar believes everthing he sees on the tele.

Yenquee and little yanquee (uk) polititians all sound the same...We will conduct a "regime change" due to iraq possessing "weapons of mass destruction" on the premise of saving the world from "terrorist networks."
We will do this by directly attacking their "nest"....

Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric.

[Pete]

Lonkar get off your fucking horse and step into the real world. America had one day with 2400 people dead. More people starve every day then that. If you need more tissues get off your computer and use them, quit your *****ing that your nation has it bad. Think of Bosnia. Think of Serbia. Think of Iraq for fucks sake. You blood thirsty warmonger.

[Loknar]

COMRADE RAF

I use a historical example at least on the 'nest excuse'.

CrazyPete

Oh I see, so this is Canadian/European mentality. "Well we cant actually hit the terrorists back, it was only 1 attack." You guys can can moap around all you want, but dont complain about us for actually doing something aboiut these attacks.




(Edited by Loknar at 2:27 am on June 9, 2003)

[Pete]

No Loknar. We see the American Army and Government as the true terrorists in the world.

[Loknar]

CrazyPete

So what would you have us do? Grab our ankles and take it? You can sure call America a terrorist country for acting but what would you do?

[Pete]

I would have America pull all of its bases out of the world. I would have America abolish all of its chains within its electorial system. I would have America completely reform how it is governed. I would have public health care and educatoin (post secondary) free for all Americans. I would have free public transit for all Americans, inside cities that have a population which can make use of these services. I would have America stop lying to its people and the world. I would have America stop oppressing the people of the world. I would have every American leader down on their knees begging for forgiveness as an armed revolutionary points a gun to their head, because they are responsible for more rape murder and destruction than any other individuals in thsi world. I would have your way of life completely destroyed for one that truly promotes equality and freedom.

In one sentence: I would save America from itself.

[Urban Rubble]

Hey Loknar, let me ask you this. If America is SO fucking concerned with terrorists, why do they continue to harbor people who ADMIT that they have commited terrorist acts on Cuban soil ?

Orlando Bosch, a man who has admitted to blowing up a Cuban airliner lives comfortably in Miami with full knowledge of our government, how are you going to justify this one ?

Also, how old are you ? You seriously sound like you're about 12.

[Loknar]

Crazy
Basically destroy our traditions and violate our constitution. And are you operating from the BS that 'America deserved it'? All you have said is how you would change America. How would you combat terrorism?


Urban Rubble

We have troops from the Philipines to Georgia fighting terrorists. I dont know about the terrorist blowing up a Cuban airliner I heard nothing about it. if it did happen it is wrong and I am disappointed.

[Pete]

Loknar, if you thought you would see that I told you exactly how to stop terrorism.

[commie kg]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 6:37 pm on June 8, 2003
I would have America pull all of its bases out of the world. I would have America abolish all of its chains within its electorial system. I would have America completely reform how it is governed. I would have public health care and educatoin (post secondary) free for all Americans. I would have free public transit for all Americans, inside cities that have a population which can make use of these services. I would have America stop lying to its people and the world. I would have America stop oppressing the people of the world. I would have every American leader down on their knees begging for forgiveness as an armed revolutionary points a gun to their head, because they are responsible for more rape murder and destruction than any other individuals in thsi world. I would have your way of life completely destroyed for one that truly promotes equality and freedom.

In one sentence: I would save America from itself.


CrazyPete, that reply got me pumped for revolution! :D

That's one of the best replies I've seen in awhile.

[Loknar]

Pete.


I asked you what you would do to stop terrorism yes. What will you do if a terrorist flys a plane into your buildings and kills your people? Dont tell me how you would stop it from happening. Tell me how you would deal with it.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Yes indeed Petey, that was one brilliant post. The boy didn't even get it. Fuck all, he sure is dim. Your post actually gave me a euphoric feeling thinking about what a marvelous feeling it would be to clip some of these "world leaders".

Ahhhhhh, to be free and armed.

[James]

Lonar as i took the time and effort to read that poor piece of propaganda, and make rather detailed replies; the least you can do is reply to all my points properly in the correct context.

In reply to;

You say we're too focused on terror? Well, see what you would do if terrorists were focused on flying planes into your buildings and killing your people and scaring your kids.

I said;
Okay so one attack?
NEWS!!!
Many countries are affected by terrorists. Incldugin my own (UK); but most have it far worse.
When you consider how the US is in some way usually connected with the Terrorism... well i'll let you figure out that rest.



Actually 3 attacks in 1 day.

Its one attack. Please don't be a retard.

3 buildings had a plane flown into them and we have 3,000 dead people.

Now now, "we" ?
Your arrogance and utter stupidity is showing through boy. DO NOT ASSUME THAT YOU WERE THE ONLY COUNTRY TO LOOSE CITIZENS.

Which attack has bee worse then 9-11? Please name something.

You really are a retard.
Worse?
Your country has been in a state since sep 11th that most have been in for many many years.

How many Brits have died from a terror attack?

I'm not sure how many have died over the centuries from terrorism.

Blowing up tea factories is allot different from destroying a sky scrapper
Okay one example and 2 words; knee caping. Go ask a grown up what this is.

and when we are bombed we dont sit around and moan like a whore,
Of course, Fox isn't moaning like a whore is it! You arn't moaning like a whore now are you? Your proving us all wrong with you superior interlect.

Listen, we have been bombed for many centuries; we have done the whole imperialistic response, thus we can tell you from experiance it just makes thing worse.

If someone doesn't know a thing about fishing, does he have the right to go tell a fisherman, who has been a fisherman all his life, "how" to fish?

we go out and kick some ass.

You "go out and kick some ass"... hmm.. now loknar hunny; read what you just said.

Destroying the enemy from its nest is the best way to disorganize them, it worked against the Barbary pirates and it worked against Al-Queda.

Yes, the nest is the reason for terrorists. The nest isn't just where a few hang out. This is something you seem to be incapable of understanding. Terrorists can only succeed when there is a group of people who feel oppressed and will provide support and shelter, and a reason in the first place for some middle class guys to go do something heroric.
If you remove poverty then you will find terrorism relating to it shall go too.

For example Northern Ireland; (over simplified), if it was never invaded by the UK then the IRA would never have existed.

Palestine; if the people had a state and land of their own, nice homes, food and employment then they would never envisage supporting people attacking innocents.

You are either too retarded to see this, or choose not to because you just want to go "kick some ass".

Now loknar, i want you to go here and READ it all;
http://www.globalministries.org/lac/la071002.htm

Plus, i want you to reply to all the points made by me and others.

[Sabocat]

Loknar

The U$ has been one of the biggest exporters of terror on the planet. All you have to do is a little digging to find out about all the CIA "interventions" around the world to realize that 9/11 was about getting even.

Look up the U$ actions in Panama, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Phillipines, Grenada, Haiti, Chile, etc. etc.

What would you call the killing of a legally and popularly elected leader of a sovereign nation if not terrorism?

Allende and Lumumba were eliminated for no other reason than being left oriented to drag their populations out of poverty and desperation.

That, my friend...is terrorism.

Try getting your information from sources other than Fox news.

I would suggest you read "Killing Hope" by William Blum. This will give you a brief look at all the U$ interventions around the globe from 1947 to present.

[Pete]

Quote: from Loknar on 11:34 pm on June 8, 2003
Pete.


I asked you what you would do to stop terrorism yes. What will you do if a terrorist flys a plane into your buildings and kills your people? Dont tell me how you would stop it from happening. Tell me how you would deal with it.


That is how to deal with it, which is also how to stop it from happening. Punish those in charge, aka the American warmongers and corperations who are stirring up the world with hate against your precioussss.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

It's useless to tell an American thet the terrorism is being perpetrated by oppressed peoples who are trying to free themselves and their nation from imperialism and destructive western influence. They will accept no other reason than The damn terrorists are jelous of our freedoms, so they want to take them away! Americans cannot comprehend that the world community hate U$'s imperialism and its agressive tendencies. The world is not going to tolerate being dictated to by the U$ for much longer, Loknar. You ask, why does the world enjoy American electronics, and American fast food and etc, yet show so much hatred against our opportunistic diplomatic tendencies? Well, that's why, loknar. All these things come at the price of the strenuous labour of the working class and the security of the availability fo this labor is what the government seeks to achieve, because the function of the U$ government is to appease corporate america.

(Edited by Victorcommie at 12:40 pm on June 9, 2003)

[Loknar]

Disgustapated

Dont even throw the CIA BS at me. It was a damn Cold War and the RUssians are just as guilty. Look at the CUban interventions alll around Africa.

TO all

MAybe the US should stop sending money for AIDS tereatements and food aid. After all we're just opressers right? If this is th world attitude then I say fuck all of them, lets cut off all of our economic aid and lets see how cruel America can be.

[Loknar]

That is how to deal with it, which is also how to stop it from happening. Punish those in charge, aka the American warmongers and corperations who are stirring up the world with hate against your precioussss.


Day 1: Attack
Day 2: Your impeachment

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Loknar on 1:31 pm on June 9, 2003
Disgustapated

Dont even throw the CIA BS at me. It was a damn Cold War and the RUssians are just as guilty. Look at the CUban interventions alll around Africa.

TO all

MAybe the US should stop sending money for AIDS tereatements and food aid. After all we're just opressers right? If this is th world attitude then I say fuck all of them, lets cut off all of our economic aid and lets see how cruel America can be.


The U$ government gives little aid to the third world. The US Red Cross, which is a private non-profit organization, gives millions in aid. The government, like I metioned earlier, is not interested in helping anyone. the only humanitarian orgazation aided by the U$ gov. is the UN,a nd just because the U$ has complete influence over the UN.

[Loknar]

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ields/2062.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2062.html)

Also this year we have donated 15 billion to help people in Africa with AIDS I think we should save that 15 billion and buy a few more tanks and buy some 3rd world countries.

[Felicia]

Quote: from Loknar on 3:45 pm on June 8, 2003
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88593,00.html


You have problems with our country, but you seem to have no problem with our money.

(Edited by Loknar at 7:47 pm on June 8, 2003)

You have a problem with our country, but you don't seem to have a problem with our beer..... :biggrin:

(and no, this isn't an invite to tell me that you only drink bud, I don't care)

[Pete]

Day 1: Attack
Day 2: Your impeachment

Bush was never impeached (either).
Regan was never impeached.
Carter was never impeached.
Washington was never impeached.
Madison was never impeached.

You see my point?

Also this year we have donated 15 billion to help people in Africa with AIDS I think we should save that 15 billion and buy a few more tanks and buy some 3rd world countries.

You... Just don't come back. We have little tolerance for such statements here. If you are so gungho about war then join your army and do us a favour, get shot. Wishing death is wrong, sorry. I hope your brain develops away from the capitalist piece of shit that it is. Perhaps you will realize what you just said. At most other forums you would be banned. Actually I think we have a pretty good case here. Take this as a public warning that action can and will be taken if you continue proliferating such opinions. If you cannot help it then fuck off and never return.

(Edited by CrazyPete at 5:08 pm on June 9, 2003)

[RAM]

Quote: from Loknar on 8:00 pm on June 9, 2003
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ields/2062.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2062.html)

Also this year we have donated 15 billion to help people in Africa with AIDS I think we should save that 15 billion and buy a few more tanks and buy some 3rd world countries.


HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!

YOU JUST WANT WARS WITH SYRIA, IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND OTHER COUNTIRES WHICH DON'T LIKE YOU!!!

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:31 am on June 10, 2003
Disgustapated

Dont even throw the CIA BS at me. It was a damn Cold War and the RUssians are just as guilty. Look at the CUban interventions alll around Africa.

TO all

MAybe the US should stop sending money for AIDS tereatements and food aid. After all we're just opressers right? If this is th world attitude then I say fuck all of them, lets cut off all of our economic aid and lets see how cruel America can be.


The Cubans went into Africa to try to help bring the poor and starving a better way of life. What we gave them was killing of their leaders and more atrocious living conditions and exploitation. Read some goddamn history.

Give me a break with the "Cold War" crap and "stopping the spread of Communism" crap.


As far as stopping the Aids medicines etc., the U$ won't allow generic drugs to be made cheaply even on drugs whose patents have run out. The UN has declared these medicines Weapons of Mass Salvation. This action alone is responsible for countless deaths, so spare me the self righteous rhetoric.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I suppose Loknar is one of those moronic right-wingers that thinks AIDS only affects gays and black..."Because no self respecting white Republican American would ever be a fag or fuck monkees like them Africans do"
You have the intellectual capacity of a flea you little fuck.

I will also bring attention to the link you provided BoyLoknar. Did you bother to review it yourself prior to posting it? Here what is stated about US foreign aid:

United States ODA, $6.9 billion (1997) (1997)

This information is from 1997, 6 years ago little boy.
What relevance does it have on a forum in 2003?

Where exactly in this publication does it mention 15 billion in Aid to Africa? Will you please pull your head from your arse long enough to back up your claims....Or will you choose to ignore this post like the last one of mine you could not defend against.

Comrades,
I know I said in another thread that I would not bother responding to this talking cesspool until he had something intelligent to post but I do so much enjoy kicking these worms when they are down. I will not deny myself the pleasure.

-Julian

[Loknar]

You see my point?

No.
Take this as a public warning that action can and will be taken if you continue proliferating such opinions. If you cannot help it then fuck off and never return.

Oh I see, is this how true Communism is?

[Loknar]

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!

YOU JUST WANT WARS WITH SYRIA, IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND OTHER COUNTIRES WHICH DON'T LIKE YOU!!!


Well if we did all these things our image wouldnt chage 1 bit because we are hated so much. So why shouldnt we?

[Ghost Writer]

"One may hate the government, or the current administration, but like the system, the people, the virtues, etc."-from Victorcommiepuke

Ask yourself which country made that possible for many people throughout the rest of the world. I suggest you leave now, you whining sniffling little dirtbag.

[Loknar]

How do you think Cuba could do that? Oh I know, they were the Soviets road warriors. They were there i the name of Communism and Castro needed other economic ventures because of a US embargo.

Give me a break with the "Cold War" crap and "stopping the spread of Communism" crap.

No, it was US and Russia both spreading their influence. Both are just as guilty. Hell look at Afghinastan. 1 million died overthere, dont blame just the US.

As far as stopping the Aids medicines etc., the U$ won't allow generic drugs to be made cheaply even on drugs whose patents have run out.

That is BS, my grandfather uses cheap medication.

[Pete]

Bush -> Iraq war of aggression
Regan -> Used drug money to over throw the Sandinista's, over threw the Allende government in Chile to install the most brutal dictator the world has ever seen (General Pinochet)
Carter -> supported the Shah of Iran (as did his predecessors), and after his deposition one Saddam Hussien.
Washington -> Instigated the 7 years war in North America.
Madison -> invaded Canada and got his ass kicked.

Well if we did all these things our image wouldnt chage 1 bit because we are hated so much. So why shouldnt we?

You are hated for that very mentality you just showed. You are hated because you do. You are hated because you see it as your right. You are hated because you think as you do. You are hated because your people are seen as pompous jackasses bent on destroying all who stand in your way to global hegemony.

Oh I see, is this how true Communism is?

No this is a message board. This is not a state and you are not welcome here. We put up with you, but some opinions are not allowed. No Nazi trash is one of them. No racism. No being a dumbfuck. You are too brainwashed, too much a product of your society, to believe anything we can tell you. You think about your "rights" and your "freedoms to" as if they are all that matters. I ask you to grow up and try to think independantly from your media for atleast one time in your life. That or join your military and go fight in these places you talk about. You are strong enough, if you are to be believed.

How do you think Cuba could do that?

Cuba is very very self sufficent. They are the example of what America does not want. People like Ernesto Guevara and just the willpower of the Cuban nation are why they could do these things. Today they send their doctors where America sends her bombs.

That is BS, my grandfather uses cheap medication.

Where is your grandfather? America bombed a pharmecutical (sp) plant in Sudan which was producing cheap medication for its people. Now thousands die from curable diseases.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 4:56 pm on June 9, 2003
"One may hate the government, or the current administration, but like the system, the people, the virtues, etc."-from Victorcommiepuke

Ask yourself which country made that possible for many people throughout the rest of the world. I suggest you leave now, you whining sniffling little dirtbag.


The United States most certainly did not give freedom of speech and of expression to anyone other than themselves. The United Staes, in fact has muffled many, many leftist and socialist movements around the world and supported right-wing dictatorships. Don't believe me, look it up.

No need to start with all the insults, Ghost, what's the matter, capie can't handle a little national criticism?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Once again the BoyLoknar ingnores a call for substantial evidence....You remind me of this enormous Great Dane I had about 20 years ago....he would stick his head behind the seti with his entire body in view yet think he was invisible because he could not see me. (I feel perhaps my dog was just a hair smarter that boyLoknar here) Just because you ignore logic boyLoknar does not make the posts magically vanish. I would say again for you to please go away however I am now quite enjoying this. It makes the work day so much more pleasurable.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Now let me touch on GW's (ironic ghost writers ititials are GW innit?) worthless opinion.

Ask yourself which country made that possible for many people throughout the rest of the world. I suggest you leave now, you whining sniffling littledirtbag.

Please back up your pedomorphic opinion of what the USA has done to improve the rest of the world with actual facts. I reckon you're really going to have a tough time with this one since I'm sure you have difficulty counting past 10 without taking your shoes off. Please spare us your meaningless dribble you silly little fuck. I have mind to take you over my knee boy and give you a stern paddling for being so completely obtuse.

-Julian

[Urban Rubble]

I think we should all just be quiet and let these guys respond to Pete's post.

Great post Pete. I can't wait to hear them respond. Although they will probably respond as most of them do, by skipping over most of the points and commenting on the one or two they think they have some frame of refernce on.

I dare you cappies to address every point in that post.

[Pete]

Ask yourself which country made that possible for many people throughout the rest of the world. I suggest you leave now, you whining sniffling little dirtbag.

France. Ever hear of the Tennis Court Oath?

[Loknar]

Iraq war of aggression
Regan -> Used drug money to over throw the Sandinista's, over threw the Allende government in Chile to install the most brutal dictator the world has ever seen (General Pinochet)
Carter -> supported the Shah of Iran (as did his predecessors), and after his deposition one Saddam Hussien.
Washington -> Instigated the 7 years war in North America.
Madison -> invaded Canada and got his ass kicked.

So what? I dont see the big deal here. You Canaians arent exactly innocent your selves.

You are hated for that very mentality you just showed. You are hated because you do. You are hated because you see it as your right. You are hated because you think as you do. You are hated because your people are seen as pompous jackasses bent on destroying all who stand in your way to global hegemony.

Well hell I dont want things like that to happen but if everyone hates us I dont see why we shouldnt just flip everyone off.

No this is a message board. This is not a state and you are not welcome here. We put up with you, but some opinions are not allowed. No Nazi trash is one of them. No racism. No being a dumbfuck. You are too brainwashed, too much a product of your society, to believe anything we can tell you. You think about your "rights" and your "freedoms to" as if they are all that matters. I ask you to grow up and try to think independantly from your media for atleast one time in your life. That or join your military and go fight in these places you talk about. You are strong enough, if you are to be believed.

This particular forum is made for 'mis-guided' people. So I dont see how your 'warning' applies.

Cuba is very very self sufficent. They are the example of what America does not want. People like Ernesto Guevara and just the willpower of the Cuban nation are why they could do these things. Today they send their doctors where America sends her bombs.

How can Cuba sustain 150,.000 troops thousands of miles away? That is a large logistical project, Cubs couldnt do it by them selves.

Where is your grandfather? America bombed a pharmecutical (sp) plant in Sudan which was producing cheap medication for its people. Now thousands die from curable diseases.

America. Doctors are assholes and perscribe expensive stuff. You have to britch to them that you want cheaper stuff and you'll get it. That was CLinton's fault if I recall correctly, he refused to appologize I believe.

[Pete]

So what?

None where impeached for commiting their crimes against foriegn nations, or for supporting brutal dictators.

I dont see the big deal here

Step back and get a different persepctive, you may be in for a learning experience if you but try.

You Canaians arent exactly innocent your selves.

I don't support my government, nor any of the major parties.

This particular forum is made for 'mis-guided' people

Of which you are the currently most 'misguided,' unable to even provide the standard that GW or DC do in debates. You are unable to prove a thing.

So I dont see how your 'warning' applies

You can be banned from the forums.

That had barely anything to do with what I said in the part that you quoted you know. You don't just quote something and let it hang there. Address the rest.

How can Cuba sustain 150,.000 troops thousands of miles away?

Most of the time the Cubans went over and helped organize, and a majority of the troops where locals.

That is a large logistical project

Are you calling the Cuban's stupid? When they are able to exist in a bubble with the worlds strongest and angriest power pushing down on them? That takes a lot of intelligence, shooting guns and pushing buttons takes a lot less.

Cubs couldnt do it by them selves.

They, like North Korea (but to a lesser extent of course), are almost completely self-sufficent. They traded sugar for oil ect to the USSR, but now that the Soviets have collapsed she is standing strong and free.

America

My comrade was not refering to Americans.

Doctors are assholes and perscribe expensive stuff

Because companies often refuse to make them as cheap as they could.

That was CLinton's fault if I recall correctly, he refused to appologize I believe.

Bush is not helping this either. He is making it worse.


So Lonkar, you quoted everything but you replied to very very little. Reply to the rest.

[Loknar]

OK I never said Cubans were stupid. Do you think Cuba has the troops transport capacity to transport 150,000 soliders and sustain them with out help?

Why cant Russia and Cuba be guilty of trying to expand their influence?

I dont mind adressing some opsts but ALL? I am locked up in 6 different forums now. Look how many posts I have and i've only been here about 1 week.

[Pete]

I mean reply to everything you quoted dumb ass. You don't quote my entire post to address less than half of it. If you are in 6 forums you should know this...

And it seems you did not read my last post either. I told you about the "cuban" troops.

Cuba was trying to exist, Russia was building a buffer.

[Urban Rubble]

"Why cant Russia and Cuba be guilty of trying to expand their influence? "

I don't justify Russia's Imperiaism, that's Kapitan Andrey. As for Cuba, when did they try to expand their influence ? They sent troops to help out people who were having a hard time not being murdered, they weren't trying to take over a country in the name of Cuba.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Loknar on 3:58 am on June 10, 2003
How do you think Cuba could do that? Oh I know, they were the Soviets road warriors. They were there i the name of Communism and Castro needed other economic ventures because of a US embargo.

Give me a break with the "Cold War" crap and "stopping the spread of Communism" crap.

No, it was US and Russia both spreading their influence. Both are just as guilty. Hell look at Afghinastan. 1 million died overthere, dont blame just the US.

As far as stopping the Aids medicines etc., the U$ won't allow generic drugs to be made cheaply even on drugs whose patents have run out.

That is BS, my grandfather uses cheap medication.




Does your grandfather live in Africa you stupid little shit?

In Africa, the U$ drug companies will not allow them to produce generic drugs to make the health care affordable to save the population. This goes for drugs whose patents have run out. The U$ drug companies are fighting it in court and stalling the distribution of much needed medicines. Medicines for things like Malaria, Aids, etc.

Try reading something about the history of the war in Afghanistan. That war was propagated by the U$ in retaliation for Russian & Chinese support in Vietnam (which by the way was righteous). It was protracted to bankrupt the Soviet economy and stir up dissent. In the process, we funded and supplied Osama Bin Laden and the Mujadeen, who of course now, we are running around calling evil.

[James]

loknar i'm waiting for your reply

[RAM]

Quote: from Loknar on 10:54 pm on June 9, 2003

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!

YOU JUST WANT WARS WITH SYRIA, IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND OTHER COUNTIRES WHICH DON'T LIKE YOU!!!


Well if we did all these things our image wouldnt chage 1 bit because we are hated so much. So why shouldnt we?


Why shouden't we weel errr becuase Wars kill people and cause human suffering and death! It is fine you watching your fox properganda with its logo etc and eating chhezy poofs!! I liked Al Jazzera TV in a way because they showes the reality of war e.g. bodies with no heads, a head with no brain, an arm with all of the ligermants and blood vesels showing, a man carrying his intestine around before he dies, a burnt face, a burnt body etc that it the reality of war not you victory parade and film of tanks moving about!