What does the CIA think of us? - what's in your dossier?

[commie kg]

I'm sure the CIA has knowledge of this forum, and probably has a dossier on each of the more active members.
My question: What do you think your file says? Are you a danger to the U$A?

[RAM]

Maybe it has posts out of context?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I would say I'm not a danger to the U$, except maybe for those molotov cocktails I've got out back that i'm planing to...oh, whoops! I wouldn't want to encriminate myself. just kidding. :biggrin:
If those pigs are are reading this, they can kiss my ass, hear that biotch, kiss my ass!
they can't encriminate me by using crap thay find online, this no proof, unless they take into account the Patriot act and all that shit. Even without reagrds to the patriot act, i don't trust those assholes to follow anything written on the constitution anyway.

[canikickit]

They have my full name and address and two pictures and sll sorts of information about my personal habits; where I shop, what I wear, where I drink, my age, my family, my friends. the fact that I take drugs, the fact that I'm a boring asshole, my red hair, my yellow eyes, everything.


Maybe it has posts out of context?

:biggrin:

[Vinny Rafarino]

The CIA thinks?? That's new to me.

[Anonymous]

Hey, If you guys are reading this, I just wanted to say that I've always really admired your work, and that I'm proud my taxpayer dollars are being used to fund your organization.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 9:37 pm on June 7, 2003)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

DC, your such an ass-kisser.

[Loknar]

CIA
Mossad
MI5

all superb intell agency's, continue kicking ass guys!!

[CubanFox]

Mossad and the CIA are vermin.

[Vinny Rafarino]

No shit VC.

I personally think the CIA CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES.

They're just a group of fucking monkees anyway.

DC don't you think your tax-dollars could be put to better use than monitoring a forum that's not even "hard-lined" leftist?

You know DC...Feed the fucking starving children in this country or (I know this must sound "crazy" to your capitalist ears) house the homeless...

[Anonymous]

It's not the government's job to house the homeless.

[CubanFox]

It should be, however.

[Loknar]

Cuban

What about people who dont want to work?

[Umoja]

It's the governments job to serve the interest of the people I thought.....

[El Barbudo]

By telling the CIA to go fuck around because they cant do anything against you proves that Communists are too stupid to do anything against USA. If there was one of us who could do anything, he wouldnt send post telling CIA to kiss his ass. DUDES. GO FIGHT IN THE STREETS AND STOP SENDING SHITY POSTS!
By the way, the cia can kiss my ass.
Just joking :D!

[Loknar]

But what about people who dont want to work?

[Hampton]

Isn't it the government's job to provide jobs to prevent homelessness?

[Loknar]

Ok, if they dont want to work then why should I spend my hard earned tax dollars on them?


I think some are having a hard time realizing that some people are just lazy and wont work.

[Pete]

I think some are having a hard time realizing that some people are just lazy and wont work.

Actually a lot of people do want to work and are unable to get a job. Of those who are left you have people who must take care of their children and don't have time, and those who are disabled, physically or mentally, and thus are unable to get jobs. Then there is an extremely thin minority of people who are able to work and refuse to do so, yet there is also a group of people who get other people to do work for them and gain massive profits. Ahem, capitalists, yet society accepts this form of not working over those who are disabled or taking care of their family.

[Loknar]

I have family who just refuse to work. My dad is homeless now and he did it to him self. Tell me, why should tax payer dollars go to people who are just lazy and wont work even if there was a job avilable?

(Edited by Loknar at 4:38 am on June 8, 2003)

[Pete]

And here is where the problem lies. In Canada, atleast, you need a permanent address to get a job, and to get a permanent address you usually need money, and thus already have a job. If you are homeless you are basically outside of the loop, whether by choice or not, and therefore fucked.

[Hampton]

Pete has it right, I think the people who are willing to work and can't find a job far outweighs the number of people who do not want to work. Why are you focusing on the people who refuse to work when the concentration of energy and concern should be on the people who need the job to support a family. Taxpayer money goes to lots of things that people don't agree with or have no control over. I pay taxes and didn't want the invasion of Iraq but it happened, what am I to do? Tax money could go to worse things than helping someone who has no job or home irregardless of whether he did it to himself or not, why should he be homeless? No one is going to build him a house it'll be more likely some program to try and get him a job that he might enjoy doing so that he might want to work.

[Loknar]

Hey, sounds great to me. I can live off of welfare and not have to work.

[Hampton]

Foolishness. How much do you think welfare is? Enough to pay rent and buy food? Most people on welfare are working two jobs anyway. You would just be taking money for people who really need it. What a noble thing for you to do. Take from the poor, good job.

[Loknar]

Look, I am talking about lazy asses who REFUSE to work and just want to sit around all day. IF yoy want the government to house everyone why not do it with some strings attached? Such as YOU HAVE TO WORK. I dont see why tax dollars need to go to people who refuse to work.

And that claim that 'most' people on welfare have 2 jobs is ridiculous. If they are then they must have 63 kids and make only $2 an hour.

[synthesis]

Loknar, statistics have shown that the majority (about two thirds) of those under the poverty line
(making a daily choice between food and shelter) are working approximately two jobs each.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 6:03 am on June 8, 2003)

[Hampton]

Help people find a job that they will enjoy doing, something suitable to their interests and they will most likely have no problem doing the job. Give them the training for the job if necessary and you may have solved the problem.

You can pick an "urban" area where a mom had to drop of high school because she had a child now has one more. She has a job that earns her minimum wage. The average welfare check for a mother with two children is $577 dollars a month. The state and local governments, already earmark a large portion of that money to pay for rent and utilities. The amount that's left for personal expenses can be as little as $20 a month. Like many parents, single mothers coming off welfare into a job often face high child-care costs but don't earn enough to pay for them, so they get a second job.

[Loknar]

You arent listening to me. People who WONT work no matter what. WHat should we do with them? And please answer me directly on this one.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

You arent listening to me. People who WONT work no matter what. WHat should we do with them? And please answer me directly on this one.

give them rehabilitation therapy, because most likely they are homeless heroin addicts who can't get off the smack.

[Vinny Rafarino]

What is also not taken into consideration Loknar is that Supplemental Security Income (welfare) represented only 3% of the national budget in 2001 during Clinton's administration so I'm sure that 3% has been hacked by Dubya. During the reagan and big bush years welfare was only one third of one percent..pricks......Retirement pensions for government employees account for almost 6% of the National budget. (Nancy's "just say no" programme was over 2%) In other words, individuals who actually ***** about welfare reform never bother to read the National Budget report every year. To put it mildly, these people are right-wing jack arses with nothing better to do but ***** and moan about the cost of a programme when they haven't even bothered to find out what said programme actually costs the government. I'm pretty sure we are all smart enough here to understand simple economics. In other words find something else to ***** about 'cos I'm sure dubya spends more scratch on belt buckles than he does on welfare.

Edit:
Perhaps we can have the government pay the homeless to allow Loknar to bench press them so he won't need to buy those new dumbells. It works out for everyone...They get jobs...Loknar gets "more mass dude!"

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 6:57 am on June 8, 2003)

[Loknar]

COMRAD


Do you know how easy it is for an alcholic to get on SS? If my uncle can it is really easy. I dont have a problem with temporary public aid but it shouldnt be a permnent thing. and people who will spend it foolishly shouldnt be on it.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I guess I should have said everyone bur Loknar understands simple economics. Stop whining Loknar. The welfare budget is so fucking small its considered economically meanigless

Please Loknar, pay attention!

[Loknar]

Comrad

BTW I dont think that people on welfare are bums thaty dont want to work. I think that if people will abuse the system they shouldnt benefit off of it.

[IHP]

But how, when upto 30% of America is under the povery line ( do you want my sources?), do you differentiate between who is abusing and who actually needs. The latter far outweigh the former. Therefore there is not reason to kep welfare so low for the few who 'benefit' from it.

--IHP

[Loknar]

According to the CIA world fact book it is at %13

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/us.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Loknar. Did you even bother to read my post on page 3?

Or oare you conveniently ignoring the post as you have no response.

Please clue us all in...I can assure you that IHP and Hampton read it.

[Anonymous]

The government's job is to uphold the three basic individual rights of man: Life, Liberty, and Property. Education, welfare, housing, and healthcare are not rights.

[CubanFox]

Actually, that's the pursuit of property. But whatever.

Personally I feel that healthcare, education and housing should be up there too. Everyone deserves to be educated; looked after healthwise and deserves to live in housing of some sort.

[mentalbunny]

CubanFox, yes!!!

Personally I don't get the whole "liberty" thing, what do people mean by that?! But that's a seperate issue.

May I also point out that COMRADE RAF may get better responses if he calms down a little and stops swearing. Also sources are great if you can use them.

I think benefits should be much better, currently they are little more than a farce! The system needs an overhaul, but currently it's far from top priority, damn SARS, Iraq and the rest of the world! It's the perfect excuse for world leaders to shift their attention away from domestic issues.

[IHP]

I have already duked out the CIA factbook witha guy called Mark the Slack on antoher message board.

But I'll post some of the stuff.

In a governemtal document by Heather Boushey. "Hardships in America"

37M, are in desperate - critical need.

In another governmental document: "The Working poor."

11.7% are in critical state,* and over 20% are in desperate - very poor state**

In "The needs of working America"

10.5% and 20% repectively.

The CIA factbook neglects a lot. Don't trust it.

Good post Jules.

--IHP

*Defined as having no housing facilities, no income etc.

**Defined as having terrible standard housing, with poor or no utilities Constant worry over food, and other necessities.

[Nick Yves]

Loknar, you are a dumbass...go play in the traffic.

[onepunchmachinegun]

I don't think that they consider us a threat. In my opinion they first get interested in you when you are active, making a public statement or is seen several times at demonstrations and such...

I know for sure that I am registrated in the danish intelligegence service...

[CubanFox]

Errr...isn't Denmark leftist?

[mentalbunny]

If you are interested in the conditions of the working poor in the UK I recommend Hard Work by Polly Toynbee. It's very good and not at all hard to read.

[Sandanista]

Just because denmark is leftist doesnt mean its not capitalist, just recently they lent their support to bush n blairs war on iraq

[Anonymous]

Quote: from i hate pinochet on 7:27 am on June 8, 2003
But how, when upto 30% of America is under the povery line ( do you want my sources?), do you differentiate between who is abusing and who actually needs. The latter far outweigh the former. Therefore there is not reason to kep welfare so low for the few who 'benefit' from it.

--IHP


Sure I'll be happy to review your sources.

[Loknar]

jetgrind

Please explan, how am I a dumb-ass?

[Anonymous]

Small favor in return:

Please review these, there is some conflict in reporting I am trying to juggle:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/0.../25/poverty.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/25/poverty.htm)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/30/...ain527453.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/30/national/main527453.shtml)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from i hate pinochet on 1:19 pm on June 8, 2003
I have already duked out the CIA factbook witha guy called Mark the Slack on antoher message board.

But I'll post some of the stuff.

In a governemtal document by Heather Boushey. "Hardships in America"

37M, are in desperate - critical need.

In another governmental document: "The Working poor."

11.7% are in critical state,* and over 20% are in desperate - very poor state**

In "The needs of working America"

10.5% and 20% repectively.

The CIA factbook neglects a lot. Don't trust it.

Good post Jules.

--IHP

*Defined as having no housing facilities, no income etc.

**Defined as having terrible standard housing, with poor or no utilities Constant worry over food, and other necessities.




Were does 30% come from? Yes CIA factbook leaves out a lot, but the breath of info it has to cover it enormous. Please explain further on how you conclude 30%.

[Loknar]

The US constitution stipulates that anything not covered in the constitution shall fall in the hands of the states. Healthcare, is not in the constitution./ If the state wants to provide healthcare then they by all means are allowed to. The government today goes to far as it is though.

Allot of money would sucked up from other needs in our economy if we instituted universal healthcare. If you are a poor person who doesn’t have insurance you can go to a government hospital (BTW they usually are top of the line). Look at Canada's healthcare system and compare it to America's.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:07 pm on June 8, 2003
The US constitution stipulates that anything not covered in the constitution shall fall in the hands of the states. Healthcare, is not in the constitution./ If the state wants to provide healthcare then they by all means are allowed to. The government today goes to far as it is though.

Allot of money would sucked up from other needs in our economy if we instituted universal healthcare. If you are a poor person who doesn’t have insurance you can go to a government hospital (BTW they usually are top of the line). Look at Canada's healthcare system and compare it to America's.

Are you saying that public healthcare is good, or that it's bad?

[Loknar]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 6:37 pm on June 8, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 12:07 pm on June 8, 2003
The US constitution stipulates that anything not covered in the constitution shall fall in the hands of the states. Healthcare, is not in the constitution./ If the state wants to provide healthcare then they by all means are allowed to. The government today goes to far as it is though.

Allot of money would sucked up from other needs in our economy if we instituted universal healthcare. If you are a poor person who doesn’t have insurance you can go to a government hospital (BTW they usually are top of the line). Look at Canada's healthcare system and compare it to America's.

Are you saying that public healthcare is good, or that it's bad?

I think government controling healthcare is a big mistake. I dont have a problerm with a state goverrnment pumping money into the private sector to provide healthcare to the less fortunate but if you can afford healthcare then I dont think you should benefit from government money. Canada's healthcare for instance is provided to everyone but the service is terrible. Here we pay but we get taken care of quickly.

(Edited by Loknar at 6:55 pm on June 8, 2003)

[canikickit]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 2:37 am on June 8, 2003
Hey, If you guys are reading this, I just wanted to say that I've always really admired your work, and that I'm proud my taxpayer dollars are being used to fund your organization.

(Edited by J. Edgar Hoover at 9:37 pm on June 7, 2003)



Don't listen to him. He said before he thought tthe Cia were too "rogue", he's just being sycophantic.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:54 pm on June 8, 2003

Quote: from Victorcommie on 6:37 pm on June 8, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 12:07 pm on June 8, 2003
The US constitution stipulates that anything not covered in the constitution shall fall in the hands of the states. Healthcare, is not in the constitution./ If the state wants to provide healthcare then they by all means are allowed to. The government today goes to far as it is though.

Allot of money would sucked up from other needs in our economy if we instituted universal healthcare. If you are a poor person who doesn’t have insurance you can go to a government hospital (BTW they usually are top of the line). Look at Canada's healthcare system and compare it to America's.

Are you saying that public healthcare is good, or that it's bad?

I think government controling healthcare is a big mistake. I dont have a problerm with a state goverrnment pumping money into the private sector to provide healthcare to the less fortunate but if you can afford healthcare then I dont think you should benefit from government money. Canada's healthcare for instance is provided to everyone but the service is terrible. Here we pay but we get taken care of quickly.

(Edited by Loknar at 6:55 pm on June 8, 2003)


yeah, we shouldn't have public healthcare, we should do away with public schooling too![/sarcasm]

[Anonymous]

Quote: from canikickit on 3:10 pm on June 8, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 2:37 am on June 8, 2003
Hey, If you guys are reading this, I just wanted to say that I've always really admired your work, and that I'm proud my taxpayer dollars are being used to fund your organization.

(Edited by J. Edgar Hoover at 9:37 pm on June 7, 2003)



Don't listen to him. He said before he thought tthe Cia were too "rogue", he's just being sycophantic.


Got me.

[Loknar]

yeah, we shouldn't have public healthcare, we should do away with public schooling too!

I think the government should pay private schools to school everyone. Centralized government is so inefficent.


[/quote]

[commie kg]

Quote: from Loknar on 2:23 pm on June 8, 2003

I think the government should pay private schools to school everyone. Centralized government is so inefficent.

Isn't that just a public school? A school payed for by the gov.?

[Loknar]

But it is government run

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Loknar on 6:01 pm on June 8, 2003
jetgrind

Please explan, how am I a dumb-ass?
3

For Starters Loknar..I wrote a post advising you how much money is actually spent on welfare. You did not respond. I reminded you of what page it was on (3)
Again no response.
You ***** and moan like a wee little girl all day and when facts are presented to you in a way that logically you cannot dispute the validity you coveniently ignore the post and continue on with the same inane posts. Do you have a problem with logic? If not please respond to my post. Otherwise do as Jetgrind says and go play in traffic mate!

IHP-Cheers mate. I appreciate your sentiments.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 6:01 pm on June 8, 2003
Small favor in return:

Please review these, there is some conflict in reporting I am trying to juggle:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/0.../25/poverty.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/25/poverty.htm)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/30/...ain527453.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/30/national/main527453.shtml)


"Overall, many analysts said the Census Bureau report released Tuesday offered a positive picture of the American economy — at least before the financial unrest from the terrorist attacks."

This is from your own links Kelvin90210. This information is from prior to September 11, 2001. What kind of fool posts this...Your own source cites since the attacks it's been shite. Isn't that odd that that's about the time that any economic package made by the dick...I mean Bush administration would have taken affect?
How odd?

You just get worse and worse kelvin90210

[Loknar]

COMRAD

You're getting worse and worse man. Have a drink, loosen up.

[IHP]

Kelvin, I concluded 30 % through reviewing three seperate governmental documents as listed, and further taking the average. Although they were all fairly similar anyway.

Can I just ask (this isn't anattack or anything), why the changeover from Kelvin9 to kelvin 9020 (etc) in the other thread?

--IHP

[Vinny Rafarino]

I see even after several reminders Loknar refuses to reply to my post. My only assumtion can br that he has absolutely no argument to defend his ideals. Once again the Capitalist pigs come up empty. It is obvious that these cappies simply have "blind faith" in their ideals and know absolutely nothing about the framework and aspirations of their own political party. Boy have you been duped. I truly feel sorry for you. I am done with you until you have something intelligent to say, so I can safely assume that I will never be speaking with you again.

IHP,
It's a reference to "beverly hills 90210" as kelvin90210 appears to be just like them. Silly little rich teenagers that will never truly aspire to anything great but looking flash in their new BMW's. Money and greed is all they will ever know. They will grow up to useless boils on the face of society constantly perpetuating their own stereotype without even having the intellect to understand how comical they are. Their lives will forever by juvenile and meaningless. Thier ideas of helping society will be to occasionaly throw a buck at a homeless person when their consciences begin to attack their sence of ignorant well being. Then they will scoff at this poor individual all the way home to their mansions in Beverly Hills that mum and dad bought them and watch MTV on their new flat screen tele.

To all you pathetic capitalists I close with a sincere and heartfelt fuck you.

-Julian

[Ghost Writer]

Don't kid yourselves. The CIA has better things to do than pay attention to a bunch of know-nothing communist children that are too busy playing on the internet to take time to do any real harm. If any of the algorythms the hypercomputers they have mining the internet for interesting information produces a profile match, then they might pay closer attention. Don't flatter yourselves, though. I doubt any of the insignificant tworps at this site are of any concern to such a competent organization. We didn't build one of the worlds greatest intelligence networks by wasting resources in the manner you suggest.

[Sabocat]

I have to laugh at arguments against welfare like Loknar's.

These are the same people that don't want all their citizens to be housed and fed and medically cared for, yet they have no problem with corporate welfare.

Hey Loknar, do you think it's okay that a company like Enron, went from paying 480 million dollars in tax one year, and then the next year by incorporating in Bermuda, ended up getting 14 million BACK from the government? That's a welfare that you really should be more concerned about. Not some poor bastard being given barely enough for food.

By the way, welfare doesn't last forever either. Our buddy Clinton, made sure that people were eliminated off the roles by making them get jobs after 3 months or so to augment it. The problem is, that these people end up getting jobs at minimum wage, which of course won't pay child care while they're out. In the long run, many end up worse off then they were.

And speaking of welfare, what ever happened to the "Peace Time Dividend"? That was supposed to be money taken from the defense budget and placed back into social programs. It didn't really happen, because the Defense contractors, couldn't give up THEIR welfare.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The CIA a great organisation? they only failed to kill castro like 100 times.
And don't forget the bay of pigs.

[Invader Zim]

Lonkar, the majority of those people you describe as being to lazy to work are more than likley to be alcaholics or Junkeys and I am also sure that they wish to be rehabilitated but cannot in that shitty system of capitalism.

[RAM]

I would consider it to be sad that they have these problems and go into these problems in the first place

[RedComrade]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 10:24 am on June 9, 2003
Don't kid yourselves. The CIA has better things to do than pay attention to a bunch of know-nothing communist children that are too busy playing on the internet to take time to do any real harm. If any of the algorythms the hypercomputers they have mining the internet for interesting information produces a profile match, then they might pay closer attention. Don't flatter yourselves, though. I doubt any of the insignificant tworps at this site are of any concern to such a competent organization. We didn't build one of the worlds greatest intelligence networks by wasting resources in the manner you suggest.


I tend to doub the CIA has any actual employees monitoring us but it wouldnt surprise me if the site has popped up more than a few times on filters scanning for certain phrases or words.

[Pete]

I think government controling healthcare is a big mistake. I dont have a problerm with a state goverrnment pumping money into the private sector to provide healthcare to the less fortunate but if you can afford healthcare then I dont think you should benefit from government money. Canada's healthcare for instance is provided to everyone but the service is terrible. Here we pay but we get taken care of quickly.


Have you ever been treated in a Canadian hospital?> If the service is terrible I can't imagine what the American service is like, we rank in the top 3 in the world for healthcare.

The US constitution stipulates that anything not covered in the constitution shall fall in the hands of the states.

I would like you to bring up the quote for that because I believe that the opposite is true. Anything that is not mentioned falls under the federal authority, but just to be sure can you supply me with the quote?

The government's job is to uphold the three basic individual rights of man: Life, Liberty, and Property. Education, welfare, housing, and healthcare are not rights

I would believe that educatoin would fall under gaurenteeing (sp) Liberty, welfare and health care under Life, and housing under property.

[RedComrade]

Comrade CR, I beleive it states in the 10th amendment to the constitution that all powers not given to the federal government by the constitution nor forbidden to the states by the constitution are reserved to the state government.

[RedComrade]

Here is the full text of the constitution go to the amendments part and it should be there:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/co...n.overview.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Does anyone here expect the CIA to follow through with the constitution and to repect our rights and privacy?

[Hayduke]

"Don't kid yourselves. The CIA has better things to do than pay attention to a bunch of know-nothing communist children that are too busy playing on the internet to take time to do any real harm."

And what do we consider harm ?

[RAM]

Questioning the US goverment in the CIA's case!

[Loknar]

The FBI I think monitors the internet, maybe the CIA does as well. They know everything thaty is said though.

[Loknar]

Have you ever been treated in a Canadian hospital?> If the service is terrible I can't imagine what the American service is like, we rank in the top 3 in the world for healthcare.

I posted a question on another forum to Canadian memebrs. All of them said the the emergency wait is extremely long and that it is hard to get a opperaton.

I would like you to bring up the quote for that because I believe that the opposite is true. Anything that is not mentioned falls under the federal authority, but just to be sure can you supply me with the quote?

50 STates make up America, not the other way around.

AMENDMENT X

(Right of States under Constitution)
The powers not delegated to the Unites States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I would believe that educatoin would fall under gaurenteeing (sp) Liberty, welfare and health care under Life, and housing under property.

Those arent guanteed rights (with the exception of Liberty) however the States may institute any of the above mentioned.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Loknar, if you think public health is so horrible, you should know that in the U$ many, many people go without proper treatment because tehy can't afford it. And you may think that medicare and medicaid cover everyone with no money, but you should know that there are many complex operations and surgeries and transplants and etc, that tehy will not do. Public health may take longer, but life is not given to those who have most money.

[Loknar]

I agree with you. I know that no system is absoutely perfect. Medicade covers everyone, hell I know someone who needs a transplant and has no money. He is on the organ doner list and will get an operation should one become avaiable. we spend allot on Medicare and Medicade

[Pete]

Well Healthcare has line ups because the governments have been cutting back. See the connection, lack of funding lack of seats = line ups. If the funding increases and more community health clinics are built = less line ups. Privatization means that some people will be assumed to be better than others which is not true.

Ok. I will look up where I got it from, but I think it was from the main text. Thanks for clearing it up, the Amendment would overrule the main text.

Those arent guanteed rights (with the exception of Liberty) however the States may institute any of the above mentioned

Now what are the three inalienable rights children??

[Vinny Rafarino]

Here are some facts about you're lovely health care system un the USA...We'll start with how the elderly get screwed after a lifetime of paying taxes.

Part A (Hospital Insurance)
Helps Pay For:
Care in hospitals as an inpatient, critical access hospitals (small facilities that give limited outpatient and inpatient services to people in rural areas), skilled nursing facilities, hospice care, and some home health care. Information about your coverage under Medicare Part A can be found in the Your Medicare Coverage database.

There are even random charges for this service and prescription drugs are not covered. But get this, the best you will ever see at the hospital is a nurse. If you need to see an actual doctor, you better hope you signed up for medicare part B and yes comrades you guessed it, it's not free, what a shocker.

Doctors' services, outpatient hospital care, and some other medical services that Part A does not cover, such as the services of physical and occupational therapists, and some home health care. Part B helps pay for these covered services and supplies when they are medically necessary. Information about your coverage under Medicare Part B can be found in the Your Medicare Coverage database.
Cost:
You pay the Medicare Part B premium of $58.70 per month in 2003. This amount may change January 1, 2003. In some cases this amount may be higher if you did not choose Part B when you first became eligible at age 65. The cost of Part B may go up 10% for each 12-month period that you could have had Part B but did not sign up for it, except in special cases. You will have to pay this extra 10% for the rest of your life.

Now lets total our tab, $58.70 per month, plus co-pays at each visit, plus the cost of prescription drugs. Now consider how much these costs will affect your life if you have to live on Social Security alone. I suppose that whole retirement at 65 concept just flew out the window.

Lets move on to Medicaid.

Medicaid is a medical assistance program funded by the Federal and state governments. It provides comprehensive coverage for medical, hospital, long-term care, dental, and prescription drug costs to people who are determined eligible for the program. Eligibility is based upon a person’s being under 21, disabled, blind, or sixty-five and older, and having assets below an amount set by the state a person lives in. For most Medicaid services the insured person does not have a co-pay.

So basically 90 percent of the population does not qualify for medicaid.....what a brilliant system.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:00 pm on June 9, 2003)

[Hayduke]

Questioning the US goverment in the CIA's case!

Sounds like a dictator ship to me.

[IHP]

RAF, your post about 90210 was a 'kin beauty.

--IHP

[Vinny Rafarino]

Thanks IHP. I can see kelvin90210 now, cruisin' Sunset old-school style in his dope-ass Mercedes "Kompressor"
bumpin' some slim shady admiring how "flizash" his new $900.00 Gucci shades make him look. I would imagine he even wears Italian loafers with no socks...how chic he is....For fuck's sake even his name drips "capitalist pig" Only "Biff" or "Chip" (affectionately called "the Chipper" by his frat-mates) would be more pretentious.

What a fucking wanker.

[CopperGoat]

Dark Capitalist - "It's not the government's job to house the homeless."

LOL. What a fucking bullshit statement.

Excuse me but the government has to serve the people or else it's just a piece of shit like the US government.

[Ghost Writer]

That's funny. I would have argued it the other way around. That it is the homeless that are pieces of shit.

[CubanFox]

Why do you think they're shit? Because they have had the misfortune of being poor?

[Ghost Writer]

I don't know where you are from, bub; but in the U.S. there is no excuse for homelessness. Homelessness is not the result of being poor. It is the result of being worthless, and giving up on life.

[CubanFox]

What about all the homeless people who are striving to get jobs so they can buy houses? Have THEY given up on life?

[Ghost Writer]

"What about all the homeless people who are striving to get jobs so they can buy houses?"

Show me just one homeless bum who would actually work for food rather than take a handout.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 4:31 pm on June 10, 2003
I don't know where you are from, bub; but in the U.S. there is no excuse for homelessness. Homelessness is not the result of being poor. It is the result of being worthless, and giving up on life.


If only that were true. If you really look into the homelessness situation, you'd find that a very large number of them were institutionalized mentally ill. When the federal government cut back on most of the funding for these programs, a lot of the mentally ill got dispersed out onto the street.

These people by their circumstances therefore, are usually quite unable to find work (next to impossible without an address), or a place to live.

This winter, 255 homeless people died in Boston, either from exposure or hunger or both. I'm pretty sure that most if not all of those people would gladly have worked and had a house or apartment if they had the chance.

[mentalbunny]

There are people who work and are homeless, they just don't earn enough to pay rent. other reasons for homelessness are problems at home, they left but didn't have enough money to live anywhere, so they're buggered. it's not their fault they are on the streets, it's not through laziness, it's through real hardship.

[Pete]

Show me just one homeless bum who would actually work for food rather than take a handout.

I suggest you go and ask a homeless person. Or a large number of homeless people. Than you will educate your self through experience.

[Hampton]

In America if you see a homeless person, chances are they they will be a veteran. There are 275,000 vets homeless on any given night and more than half-a million experience homelessness over the course of a year. Uncle Sam treats his boys and girls well.