why does antifa...?

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Nvm, I don't agree with this anymore.

[Dr Mindbender]

because for the most part 'non-white racism' is a non-phenomenon and a symptom of white privilege and the general crap attitude of the white ruling class against non-white people.

Anti-non white racism will always be a far more pressing concern from a leftist perspective because it is the form of racism being pushed the most by a long way by the beourgiose.

We arent polite towards 'white nationalists' because they arent welcome here. Their ideas are anti science and they have nothing redeeming to offer from a intellectual, materialist or humanist perspective.

[Pogue]

Uh oh. I suspect another troll.

[Dr Mindbender]

Uh oh. I suspect another troll.

Indeed. The restricta-conda is on standby. :lol:

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

because for the most part 'non-white racism' is a non-phenomenon and a symptom of white privilege and the general crap attitude of the white ruling class against non-white people.

Anti-non white racism will always be a far more pressing concern from a leftist perspective because it is the form of racism being pushed the most by a long way by the beourgiose.

We arent polite towards 'white nationalists' because they arent welcome here. Their ideas are anti science and they have nothing redeeming to offer from a intellectual, materialist or humanist perspective.

There is a Mexican nationalist group known as Aztlan, and they are extremely racist. Talking with Aztlan supporters was the same as arguing with a nazi, exept that they were nicer to me...
My friend, as a white nationalist only wants to preserve his culture and believes all races should do the same, he doesn't hate anyone. But I agree about the extreme ones, like nazis, being close-minded.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Uh oh. I suspect another troll.

I think you just say that because you know I'm somehow right.
I should have known your kind would have been disrespectful.

[Dr Mindbender]

There is a Mexican nationalist group known as Aztlan, and they are extremely racist.
I don't doubt that, but from what i've heard racism in the american context is mainly a symptom of your gang culture.

Blacks are seperated from latinos, who are both seperated from whites. Throw poverty and guns into the equation obviously you are going to get suspicion and cross community paranoia.

Believe me, i come from northern ireland so i know this better than most.

If you go anywhere else in the world racism from whites will be far far more visible than racism against whites. You only need to look to Australia, Russia and Eastern Europe to see this where neo-nazis are on the rise.



Talking with Aztlan supporters was the same as arguing with a nazi, exept that they were nicer to me...
My friend, as a white nationalist only wants to preserve his culture
Really? Most nazis i've heard say they want to deport all non-whites to create a white only state. What they fail to see, is that this is impossible without ethnic cleansing. You cant deport half castes and the children of mixed race relationships? So what do you do, shoot them? This is what happened in Nazi Germany, it happened in Yugoslavia and it will happen in America if your friends' political allies ever gain power.

[Bud Struggle]

White nationalism does not always imply racism,

Yes it does. :(

[Dr Mindbender]

I think you just say that because you know I'm somehow right.
I should have known your kind would have been disrespectful.

What do you mean 'his kind'?

I'm doing my best to be polite to you, but to be fair we've seen this sort of opening post 100 times in the past and more often than not it's esculated into a flame war about how ignorant we are for not respecting the vocal pedestal of racists.

[Dóchas]

I should have known your kind would have been disrespectful.

your kind?wtf that meant to mean that sounds like the most common rascisit term ever!!:mad:

[Killfacer]

The main reason i beleive for this is the fact that in the countries most anti-fa members come from are predominantly white and therefor most of the high profile racism comes from the majority ethnicity.

This is not a reason to not support anti-fa, it is a reason to support anti-fa/anti-racist movements abroad.

[bcbm]

My friend, as a white nationalist only wants to preserve his culture and believes all races should do the same

There's no such thing as racial culture.

Also, to the original question, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that organized white racists have a habit of murdering non-white people and leftists when they are not actively opposed, while non-white racists don't. Or that white racists are currently in power in much of the government and corporate sectors?

[Jazzratt]

I think you just say that because you know I'm somehow right.

You set too much store by the veracity of your opinions. Stop that. They are bollocks.


I should have known your kind would have been disrespectful.

It's nothing to do with him being of any sort of "kind". It's because you've stormed in here with the usual gambit of idiotic trolls. We're treating you with all the respect that you have evidenced toward us, with the exception of Ulster Socialist who is, comparatively, being inhumanly polite.

Personal racism, as practised by nonwhites is, while distasteful, not actually all that important. Not when compared to institutional racism and personal racism that is backed up by a worldwide white power structure.

Frankly I am, as always, mildly surprised by this. It's a lot like reading an opinion piece by a Daily Mail columnist. I'm familiar with the concept ("reverse racism") but have never seen it actually occur anywhere, either to myself or anyone in my presence - at least not to any great effect.

[Sankofa]

There is a Mexican nationalist group known as Aztlan, and they are extremely racist. Talking with Aztlan supporters was the same as arguing with a nazi

Not true.

What part of Aztlan makes them even close to the same level as Nazis?

[RGacky3]

your kind?wtf that meant to mean that sounds like the most common rascisit term ever!!:mad:

How, she does'nt even know what race he or she is. THats rediculous, she's talking about leftists stupid.

[Black Sheep]

White nationalism does not always imply racism, I have a friend who is a white nationalist and I'm only around 25% white.
Okay, i m convinced now.

[Bud Struggle]

I'm familiar with the concept ("reverse racism") but have never seen it actually occur anywhere, either to myself or anyone in my presence - at least not to any great effect.

I once saw a Mexican refuse to give a Gringo a haircut--but that's about it. Racism is 99.9% Whites againsts "others."

[danyboy27]

racism is i think not only a withe phenomenon, its something that is destroying the world.

tutsi vs utu, they are both black, but the utu extremist killed thousand of rwandan on a physical/racial carasteristic.

Personally, i think the way the antifascist proceede only increase racists crimes. I fully support protests, reunions and other things like that, god i even support peoples who would set up defense groups, but that juvenile and immature technique of taking 1 lonely guy and bashing him until bleed come out of his head is just stupid. i have seen some antifascist video, and nothing really impressed me in all that, 3 people beating up 1 bald head kiddo in the bus, wow, that just stupid.

[Dr Mindbender]

^ @ spetsnaz

in hindsight, if someone had kicked the shit out of young hitler till he bled his brains through his nose i don't think anyone in their right mind would say thats a bad thing.

[Sankofa]

^ @ spetsnaz

in hindsight, if someone had kicked the shit out of young hitler till he bled his brains through his nose i don't think anyone in their right mind would say thats a bad thing.

I would. What would the contemporary art world do with out the contribution of his paintings?

[InsaneSociety]

^ @ spetsnaz

in hindsight, if someone had kicked the shit out of young hitler till he bled his brains through his nose i don't think anyone in their right mind would say thats a bad thing.

Only if it happened to your young Stalin swell.

EDIT: Neither left or right radicals are good, you are both extremist and violent. Only liberals and such will ever hold the power, people don't want nut jobs leading them.

[bcbm]

Only liberals and such will ever hold the power, people don't want nut jobs leading them.

This sentence contradicts itself.

[Plagueround]

EDIT: Neither left or right radicals are good, you are both extremist and violent. Only liberals and such will ever hold the power, people don't want nut jobs leading them.

I've never dropped an atomic bomb on another country, taken out democratically elected leaders over bananas, played countries against each other while supplying them both, or invaded a country and killed millions of its civilians while pretending the reason was securing weapons that did not exist. "Liberals and such" have. Take that blindfold off.

[#FF0000]

Only if it happened to your young Stalin swell.

EDIT: Neither left or right radicals are good, you are both extremist and violent. Only liberals and such will ever hold the power, people don't want nut jobs leading them.

Yeah, I mean Liberals never went around butchering political opponents before.

http://z.about.com/d/civilliberty/1/0/G/1/-/-/beheading500.jpg

Oh wait.

[Bud Struggle]

I've never dropped an atomic bomb on another country, taken out democratically elected leaders over bananas, played countries against each other while supplying them both, or invaded a country and killed millions of its civilians while pretending the reason was securing weapons that did not exist. "Liberals and such" have. Take that blindfold off.

Hey have you ever killed anyone that has glasses because they look Borgeoise? Did you ever put speakers in all of your citizens homes that don't turn off so they could here the daily news of your glorious leadership? Ever dope all your unknowing Olympic athletes so they could win at all cost just to prop up your failing government?

Socialists have.

[Jazzratt]

I would. What would the contemporary art world do with out the contribution of his paintings?

Hm I don't know. On the one hand it's a brilliant illustration of how to paint landscapes and buildings with amazing accuracy but on the other it's also an example of how easily an uninspiring scene really fucks up any artistic merit that can be found in a painting. Plus his people were famously awful.

[InsaneSociety]

Hey have you ever killed anyone that has glasses because they look Borgeoise? Did you ever put speakers in all of your citizens homes that don't turn off so they could here the daily news of your glorious leadership? Ever dope all your unknowing Olympic athletes so they could win at all cost just to prop up your failing government?

Socialists have.

Yeah these Socialist weirdos are finished. Only Liberals will control the future. ;)

[bcbm]

Hey have you ever killed anyone that has glasses because they look Borgeoise? Did you ever put speakers in all of your citizens homes that don't turn off so they could here the daily news of your glorious leadership? Ever dope all your unknowing Olympic athletes so they could win at all cost just to prop up your failing government?

Socialists have.

Do we really want to go down this road? All this proves is that people, when given power, abuse it.

But if you do want to take this route you should keep in mind that "Liberals, etc" have controlled more of the world for much longer than any "socialists," and would therefore have a much greater laundry list.

[revolution inaction]

Hey have you ever killed anyone that has glasses because they look Borgeoise? Did you ever put speakers in all of your citizens homes that don't turn off so they could here the daily news of your glorious leadership? Ever dope all your unknowing Olympic athletes so they could win at all cost just to prop up your failing government?

Socialists have.

No they haven't

[Bud Struggle]

Do we really want to go down this road? All this proves is that people, when given power, abuse it.

But if you do want to take this route you should keep in mind that "Liberals, etc" have controlled more of the world for much longer than any "socialists," and would therefore have a much greater laundry list.

I agree!!!!!

But NONE OF US should go down that road. Really, truly, deeply--it's all about making tomorrow a better place. We all fucked up a bit, and the reason--too tightly held political philosophy.

It's about time we Capitalists and you Communists let go of our "IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY!" attitudes and work together to figure out a realistic future for all society.

Capitalism is a failure--so is Communism, agreed? Time for a better plan.

[bcbm]

Capitalism is a failure--so is Communism, agreed? Time for a better plan.

Why do you think I'm an anarchist, Tom?;)

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

What do you mean 'his kind'?


Communists.
I've talked to many who were rude to me.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

There's no such thing as racial culture.

Also, to the original question, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that organized white racists have a habit of murdering non-white people and leftists when they are not actively opposed, while non-white racists don't. Or that white racists are currently in power in much of the government and corporate sectors?

Black and hispanic gang fights are mostly race related, they don't like each others ethnicity.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Not true.

What part of Aztlan makes them even close to the same level as Nazis?


No! It is very true! Aztlan is racist. They believe all non-browns should be sent back to wherever they came from (Europe, Africa, Asia...etc) and they blame white people and jews for all the problems they have.

[bcbm]

Black and hispanic gang fights are mostly race related, they don't like each others ethnicity.

Two gangs fighting is a bit different than racist thugs attacking people randomly due to their race. I'm sure it happens in other communities, but generally those people don't organize and goto other areas to flaunt the fact that they're racists, like white racists do.

Regardless, the ARA network in the US is now focusing more on institutional racism, specifically ICE, then boneheads.

[InsaneSociety]

Two gangs fighting is a bit different than racist thugs attacking people randomly due to their race. I'm sure it happens in other communities, but generally those people don't organize and goto other areas to flaunt the fact that they're racists, like white racists do.

Regardless, the ARA network in the US is now focusing more on institutional racism, specifically ICE, then boneheads.

You are clueless.

[danyboy27]

^ @ spetsnaz

in hindsight, if someone had kicked the shit out of young hitler till he bled his brains through his nose i don't think anyone in their right mind would say thats a bad thing.

seriously, if the guy actually provoke someone or voluntarly intimidate someone, he do deserve it, but i would think that for everyone that make the people pissed, black, withe , goth,communists or fascists.

just beccause the person is suited like a fucktard dont give me enough reason to actually beat him, or see him beat.

if i would be able to beat up all the people who dress like fucktard, man how life would be violent.

[Plagueround]

Hey have you ever killed anyone that has glasses because they look Borgeoise? Did you ever put speakers in all of your citizens homes that don't turn off so they could here the daily news of your glorious leadership? Ever dope all your unknowing Olympic athletes so they could win at all cost just to prop up your failing government?

Socialists have.

But I'm not pretending anyone who calls themselves socialists were innocent, unlike our new friend here who thinks liberals have a clean record. I don't associate myself with those people anymore than you'd like to be lumped in with the liberals or neo-liberals that did those things, and that was my point.

[bcbm]

You are clueless.

Care to elaborate?

[Bud Struggle]

But I'm not pretending anyone who calls themselves socialists were innocent, unlike our new friend here who thinks liberals have a clean record. I don't associate myself with those people anymore than you'd like to be lumped in with the liberals or neo-liberals that did those things, and that was my point.

The excellent point it was.

The Soviet Union wasn't real Socialism any more than the United States is real Capitalism.

On the other hand Pinochet, or the Central America Juntas or the North Koreans or Pol Pot or whatever dictators that call themselves "Capitalist" or "Communist" to bolster their blood thirsty regimes don't represent anything other than themselves.

Best we leave those people aside in our discussions of a better world.

[IcarusAngel]

Did you mock the concept and belief that the "free-market" doesn't exist? Or were you mocking the idea that it existed. I.e., smurking at statement "Capitalism is protected by the government."

I agree, though, at the USSR not being socialism and the US not being "real capitalism," at least theoretical capitalism.

However, I would not use lies that the USSR killed any 20 million in one "purge," or that the US killed 100 million people in its imperialist wars.

I've read a lot of history and these are lies that have been refuted even in American academia; and it's offensive I think to talk of the number died in soviet prisons versus those in the holocaust.

It's not that hard to have an honest debate about issues without using lies.

[RGacky3]

Two gangs fighting is a bit different than racist thugs attacking people randomly due to their race. I'm sure it happens in other communities, but generally those people don't organize and goto other areas to flaunt the fact that they're racists, like white racists do.

Yes they do, near where I live, Hispanic gangs shooting blacks who are non affiliated, or looked affiliated, just for being black.


The Soviet Union wasn't real Socialism any more than the United States is real Capitalism.


Yeah, because real Capitalism would be hell on earth.

Real communism on the other hand history has seen, and it worked out quite well, untill big armies with guns and bombs broke it up.

[Bud Struggle]

Did you mock the concept and belief that the "free-market" doesn't exist? Or were you mocking the idea that it existed. I.e., smurking at statement "Capitalism is protected by the government."

I think the free market did exist in the 1900s--that for the biger corporations is rather gone. The free market does exist for smaller or medium sized companies.

One thing I've noticed from hanging around RevLeft is that there is a BIG difference between multinationals and normal medium sized corporations--the multis are vast machines that have no owners (just pension funds, mutual funds) that exist to pay some interest, but really have nothing to do with the real world other than to churn product into dividends. The government sponsors them with tax breaks and contracts.

I'm no fan of them.

For the most part small and medium companies exist without any government grants, contracts, whatever. Their relationship to the government is as Ronald Reagan said: they fear and hide from the government. Government is no friend of business.

[Sankofa]

No! It is very true! Aztlan is racist. They believe all non-browns should be sent back to wherever they came from (Europe, Africa, Asia...etc) and they blame white people and jews for all the problems they have.

How can a Mestiza say something so ignorant?

You of all people, being of Indigenous decent yourself, should know that in the midst of controversy in the United States over a supposed invasion of "illegal immigrants"; it is, in fact, the so called "non-brown" people, like the racist Minutemen Project with the arrogance to hold up anti-immigration signs, who are the descendants of European colonialists, the real immigrants to the land.

It is not racism or nazi-like to point out the historical facts of oppression, theft and genocide caused to them at the hands of Europeans. Furthermore, I've neither seen, nor heard of any rhetoric they have towards Africans or Asians, for that matter.

Aztlan opposes and often criticizes the Zionist policies of the Israeli government and are hollowly accused of being "anti-semitic" which, these days, has become a baseless smear word.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

How can a Mestiza say something so ignorant?

You of all people, being of Indigenous decent yourself, should know that in the midst of controversy in the United States over a supposed invasion of "illegal immigrants"; it is, in fact, the so called "non-brown" people, like the racist Minutemen Project with the arrogance to hold up anti-immigration signs, who are the descendants of European colonialists, the real immigrants to the land.

It is not racism or nazi-like to point out the historical facts of oppression, theft and genocide caused to them at the hands of Europeans. Furthermore, I've neither seen, nor heard of any rhetoric they have towards Africans or Asians, for that matter.

Aztlan opposes and often criticizes the Zionist policies of the Israeli government and are hollowly accused of being "anti-semitic" which, these days, has become a baseless smear word.

I agree with what you're saying, but Aztlan supporters are usually racist! Just like in Europe, the nazis who are speaking out against muslim immigrants are right about them, but guess what, they are hateful!

And I don't like Zionists. Zionism is the biggest threat in the world today.

[#FF0000]

I agree with what you're saying, but Aztlan supporters are usually racist! Just like in Europe, the nazis speaking out against muslim immigrants are right about them, but guess what, they are hateful!

Wait wait wait. What do you mean that the Nazis in Europe are right about them (Muslim immigrants)? Don't mean to call you out but that sounds pretty dodgy.

Also: why should we give special attention to racism against white people? Racism is racism, isn't it?

[Sankofa]

I agree with what you're saying, but Aztlan supporters are usually racist! Just like in Europe, the nazis who are speaking out against muslim immigrants are right about them, but guess what, they are hateful!

You don't know every Aztlan supporter; you can't make the wild generalization that they are "usually" racist. That's ignorant.

And what are nazis in the Europe "right" about exactly?

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Wait wait wait. What do you mean that the Nazis in Europe are right about them (Muslim immigrants)? Don't mean to call you out but that sounds pretty dodgy.

Also: why should we give special attention to racism against white people? Racism is racism, isn't it?

Islam, that religion thats violent and treats their women like sh*t...:mad:
I've heard negative things about them being in Europe. I talk to a guy from England, he's not a right winger or a leftist but he doesn't like them or any other religion.

No, it seems like most leftists are the ones giving special attention to only one type of racism. You shouldn't give special attention to any type of racism. All racism is wrong.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

You don't know every Aztlan supporter; you can't make the wild generalization that they are "usually" racist. That's ignorant.

And what are nazis in the Europe "right" about exactly?

You don't think that non-whites can be racist? If no, then you're the one being ignorant.
Radical muslim men believe that any women who isn't wearing burqa and hejab is asking to be raped, and is it common in Europe to wear that?

[#FF0000]

Islam, that religion thats violent and treats their women like sh*t...:mad:
I've heard negative things about them being in Europe. I talk to a guy from England, he's not a right winger or a leftist but he doesn't like them or any other religion.

I really don't think you know anything at all about the history of Islam.

Also, what negative things have you heard about "them" being in Europe?

Do you believe that what you hear justifies the way Arab and Persian immigrants are treated by racists?


No, it seems like most leftists are the ones giving special attention to only one type of racism. You shouldn't give special attention to any type of racism. All racism is wrong.

Uh, I don't often hear leftists ever make the distinction between white and non-white racism.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

I really don't think you know anything at all about the history of Islam.

Also, what negative things have you heard about "them" being in Europe?



This is radical muslims I'm talking about, extremley religious. Why are you defending them?!

[Sankofa]

You don't think that non-whites can be racist? If no, then you're the one being ignorant.


No where in my post did I ever even come close to saying this.

I won't even acknowledge your lack of reading comprehension by correcting you. Please read my post again.


Radical muslim men believe that any women who isn't wearing burqa and hejab is asking to be raped, and is it common in Europe to wear that?

What exactly are you getting at here? Yes, religion is dumb, but what does this have to do with your support of Nazis in Europe?

[#FF0000]

This is radical muslims I'm talking about, extremley religious. Why are you defending them?!

I'm not. Tell me, how many radical Muslims immigrate to Europe a year? How does one tell if one is a "radical" Muslim?

EDIT: Also, why are you defending white supremacists?

[534634634265]

I would. What would the contemporary art world do with out the contribution of his paintings?
surely wither due to a lack of new growth and development.
troll thread is a troll, thread.

[Black Dagger]

Islam, that religion thats violent and treats their women like sh*t...

But all religions have histories of violence and treating women like shit? So how is it justified to just attack muslims on this basis?


I've heard negative things about them being in Europe.

Like what?


No, it seems like most leftists are the ones giving special attention to only one type of racism. You shouldn't give special attention to any type of racism. All racism is wrong.

The reason why leftists give special attention to white racism is because white racism is because in western countries there are more white racists than there are any other kind of racists, and because historically white racists are responsible for the most vile and oppressive racism - both in terms of structural discrimination/oppression as well as inter-personal race-hate violence.

In order to fight racism effectively we need to tackle the most significant form of racism in our society - in the US this is white racism - so to criticise leftists for not focusing their efforts on a comparatively small and much less significant problem (anti-white racism) is incredibly unfair.


You shouldn't give special attention to any type of racism.

Why not? Some kinds of racism are more common, and have more serious effects on peoples lives than others. Why shouldn't we focus on the most significant manifestations of racism? We can't do everything, so we focus on the most significant issues. Anti-white racism is much less common and in practice has much less of an impact on white people than white racism does on other people.



All racism is wrong.

Of course - and no one in this thread has disagreed with you there. However you seem to have come to this board with some preconceived notions about what leftists think and do, and about racism etc. I've tried to explain the leftist position briefly above, hopefully now you understand us a bit better.


Radical muslim men believe that any women who isn't wearing burqa and hejab is asking to be raped, and is it common in Europe to wear that?

Fundamentalist christians say very much the same thing - they also violently oppose the right of women to get an abortion - and in the US have killed people who work at abortion clinics, and bombed clinics to make this point. But yet you single out muslims as if they are an exception? All religious radicals are reactionary and have sexist views, not just muslims.

[Sankofa]

surely wither due to a lack of new growth and development.
troll thread is a troll, thread.

:lol: I actually laughed out loud at that pic.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

I'm not. Tell me, how many radical Muslims immigrate to Europe a year? How does one tell if one is a "radical" Muslim?

EDIT: Also, why are you defending white supremacists?

My friend is nationalist, not supremacist, he's the only one I talk to and we don't agree on everything, we usually put aside our differences when we talk.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

I thought this would be different since I'm not "pure white" but people are still calling me a nazi! :laugh:

[#FF0000]

My friend is nationalist, not supremacist, he's the only one I talk to and we don't agree on everything, we usually put aside our differences when we talk.

I fail to see the difference between a white nationalist and a white supremacist, to be quite honest. Even if they are different, they would both have a basis in the same baseless, pseudo-scientific garbage.

[Sankofa]

My friend is nationalist, not supremacist, he's the only one I talk to and we don't agree on everything, we usually put aside our differences when we talk.

Could you please enlighten us with your views on the differences between a white nationalist and a white supremacist?

I'm interested.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Could you please enlighten us with your views on the differences between a white nationalist and a white supremacist?

I'm interested.

I may not know much, but I know that not all white nationalists are nationalist socialists or believe they are superior to others. If one is simply just White Nationalist wants to preserve their race, is proud of his/her heritage and is not doing so from hate, some even have non-white friends.
White supremacists obviously believe whites are superior to others and they are racist.

This is just what I observed from when I posted on Stormfront's opposing views forum.

[Mindtoaster]

Non-white racism consists of calling a white guy a "cracker" or maybe beating him up in high school for bumping into him. And thats really mostly a phenomenon amongst young minority youth. After age 30 it pretty much dies away.

White racism consists of mass genocide, deportations, slavery and lynchings.

So yes, white racism is a much bigger deal, though I do strongly condone non-white racism having seen my share of it, though in the long run its mostly harmless.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Non-white racism is not always towards whites either...
My mom doesn't like black people.

[bcbm]

I thought this would be different since I'm not "pure white" but people are still calling me a nazi! :laugh:

1. No one called you a Nazi.
2. Your entire point is that non-whites can be racist, but you being non-white makes you immune to that criticism?

[Plagueround]

I may not know much, but I know that not all white nationalists are nationalist socialists or believe they are superior to others. If one is simply just White Nationalist wants to preserve their race, is proud of his/her heritage and is not doing so from hate, some even have non-white friends.


There is no such thing as race. Race is a social construct.

But, given that they don't know that...how do these people intend on "preserving their race". What is their culture and heritage threatened by?

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

1. No one called you a Nazi.
2. Your entire point is that non-whites can be racist, but you being non-white makes you immune to that criticism?

1. It's just that when whites complain about how unfair it is that non-white racism is ignored, they get labeled as nazis.
2. I can't be nazi, that's impossible.

[Black Dagger]

I thought this would be different since I'm not "pure white" but people are still calling me a nazi! :laugh:

I never called you a nazi - but you've still ignored my posts completely? Why?


1. It's just that when whites complain about how unfair it is that non-white racism is ignored, they get labeled as nazis.


No they don't. You make it sound like every single time a white person complains about anti-white racism they get labelled a nazi - that just isn't true, to argue anything different would just be silly. Though yes - sometimes such people do get labelled 'nazis' (usually incorrectly) - but sometimes this is actually true, and sometimes it may not be true strictly speaking -but that person may nevertheless be akin to a nazi - in that they are in fact racist themselves.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

I never called you a nazi - but you've still ignored my posts completely? Why?

Because I replied to most of it seperatley.

I don't like religions and I never paid more special attention to any type of racism when I was a leftist, but others did. Does that answer your posts a little bit more?

[Mindtoaster]

I don't think anyone, at least on this board, gets labeled a fascist for complaining about non-white racism.

They may get somewhat non-serious responses as its really a menial issue.

However, like you I do worry about the treatment Islam seems to encourage towards its women. But its something all religions go through and it varies in intensity. All religions are sexist to some degree, islam is just in the media's spotlight right now, for obvious reasons.

[Black Dagger]

Because I replied to most of it seperatley.

Ok but my post was saying different things to what other people said, and in more detail - so i would appreciate if you would write a reply.



I don't like religions and I never paid more special attention to any type of racism when I was a leftist, but others did. Does that answer your posts a little bit more?

Not really. I made a point about how islam is not really any more violent or sexist than say christianity - you might not like all religions (neither do i)- but you certainly haven't expressed the same views about christians as you have about muslims - or even hinted that you hold such views.

As far as the racism part is concerned, i explained in my post why attention is given to white racism - you need to address that before you can simply repeat what you said before, i.e. 'you shouldn't give special attention to one kind of racism' - i disagree, whilst agreeing with you that ALL racism is bad- and explained why, so i would appreciate if you would respond to what i said - i already know what your position is but i have challenged it so instead of repeating yourself, could you please address this challenge?

[Black Dagger]

Enough with the e-joke images please, yes i know this user is probably a troll but there's also a slim possibility she is not. In either case she hasn't been that hostile, so i don't have a problem conversing with her.

[534634634265]

sorry.
you gotta admit though, that image addressed both the issues of racism and irrational debate.:D

[black magick hustla]

someone should trash this thread. this is clearly a troll. go away troll

[bcbm]

1. It's just that when whites complain about how unfair it is that non-white racism is ignored, they get labeled as nazis.

Generally white people complaining about non-white racism are pushing some sort of agenda. Not always the case, but its rare they recognize that white racism is a more real threat- this thread being a case in point it seems. All racism is bad, but not all racism is equal. Antifascists tend to focus on the most prevalent and destructive forms of racism- the threat coming from WN/Neo-Nazi types, and the organized racism of the government against certain populations.


2. I can't be nazi, that's impossible.

Not really.

[Killfacer]

1. It's just that when whites complain about how unfair it is that non-white racism is ignored, they get labeled as nazis.
2. I can't be nazi, that's impossible.


I hate this kind of thing, its blatantly over exaggerated. Most sensible leftist these days do not deny that there is non white racism they simply and rightfully concentrate on racism which happens in their community.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

Ok but my post was saying different things to what other people said, and in more detail - so i would appreciate if you would write a reply.



Not really. I made a point about how islam is not really any more violent or sexist than say christianity - you might not like all religions (neither do i)- but you certainly haven't expressed the same views about christians as you have about muslims - or even hinted that you hold such views.

As far as the racism part is concerned, i explained in my post why attention is given to white racism - you need to address that before you can simply repeat what you said before, i.e. 'you shouldn't give special attention to one kind of racism' - i disagree, whilst agreeing with you that ALL racism is bad- and explained why, so i would appreciate if you would respond to what i said - i already know what your position is but i have challenged it so instead of repeating yourself, could you please address this challenge?

I haven't talked about christians because they haven't been mentioned. Well I don't like christianity, I hate their rules.

Okay well maybe I'm starting to understand why white racists are given more attention by other people as well and not just leftists, it's going on in the media too. You barely hear the news say anything about non-white racists.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

someone should trash this thread. this is clearly a troll. go away troll

I came here and tried to be as polite as I could, but all I'm getting from you people is that you believe that I'm only here to annoy. I could say what I actually think of communists and I got some insults for your type I just decided not to say them on here although your posts makes me want to say them.

[bcbm]

You barely hear the news say anything about non-white racists.

Probably because they don't goto white neighborhoods with signs that say "Die Crackers" and try to incite riots, whereas white racists do. Think about what sells.

[apathy maybe]

Meh, see it's like this.

Anti-fa are fighting fascists of all sorts. Mostly they are "white" nazi scum, in which case, mostly they fight "white" nazi scum.

Of course racism from "non-whites" exists ("black" against "brown" against "yellow" against "red" whatever). Except, well, the problem isn't nearly as big in the places where most anti-fa are. The biggest problem where most anti-fa are is "white" racism.

So that's what gets fought. But don't worry you're pretty little head about us crazy leftists not caring about "black" racism. We do. It just isn't anywhere near as big a problem as "white" racism in the places most of us live.

Now fuck off unless you have something else to talk about.

[#FF0000]

I came here and tried to be as polite as I could, but all I'm getting from you people is that you believe that I'm only here to annoy. I could say what I actually think of communists and I got some insults for your type I just decided not to say them on here although your posts makes me want to say them.

You came here with preconcieved notions that you refuse to reconsider. NO ONE here said that we think racism against white people is "okay". NO ONE called you a Nazi. NO ONE defended "radical muslims". No one did any of that, and still you carry on with the persecution complex, as if you're surprised that we'd take issue with rhetoric we've heard from Stormfront. Get off of your cross and stop making these huge leaps to distant conclusions, and you'll be easier to talk to.

You need to understand that this garbage you're hearing/spouting is shit one hears from people with a racist agenda.

[black magick hustla]

hey i am trying to be as polite as possible but i always thought black people were dumber. just see africa. why are there more black people doing crimes? please, this a very serious question.

*sneers behind the monitor while everyone riles up*

heheh

[black magick hustla]

arent mexicans taking our jobs. i mean, i dont hate mexicans but arent american jobs for american people. wouldnt that mean that the white nationalists were correct because after all, they have to defend what is theirs?

[Junius]

Mexicans are undermining America's right to self-determination.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

How pathetic. I have never come across such an ignorant bunch of people.

[apathy maybe]

How pathetic. I have never come across such an ignorant bunch of people.

How funny, I have. They were a bunch of racist fucks who thought that "white" was some how better, that there was a "white" culture that could be distinguished from the broader culture, and other bullshit.

So, none of us (that I have noticed) has argued that racism in any form is acceptable, either from "white" people, or against "white" people (from "black" or other "coloured" people).

All of the revolutionary leftists that have posted in this thread are very much anti-racism. Isn't that want you wanted to know?

Now, I repeat, fuck off unless you have something else to talk about.

[bcbm]

arent mexicans taking our jobs. i mean, i dont hate mexicans but arent american jobs for american people. wouldnt that mean that the white nationalists were correct because after all, they have to defend what is theirs?

cool story bro

[Junius]

Well, to actually address your point: yes, there are non-white racists. In Japan, Mexico, Korea, China, Africa...why doesn't antifa address these racists? Presumably because they are next to non-existent in predominantly white countries, where the main racism comes from whites. I am opposed to all forms of nationalism, so I think its all garbage. What is your view?

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

How funny, I have. They were a bunch of racist fucks who thought that "white" was some how better, that there was a "white" culture that could be distinguished from the broader culture, and other bullshit.

So, none of us (that I have noticed) has argued that racism in any form is acceptable, either from "white" people, or against "white" people (from "black" or other "coloured" people).

All of the revolutionary leftists that have posted in this thread are very much anti-racism. Isn't that want you wanted to know?

Now, I repeat, fuck off unless you have something else to talk about.

All extemists are pathetic weather they are right wing or left wing.
I'm starting to get it now, white racism is more talked about because it's what the anti-racists have seen more of.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

What is your view?

My view on what?

[bcbm]

I'm starting to get it now, white racism is more talked about because it's what the anti-racists have seen more of.

Didn't someone say that like four pages ago?

[Junius]

My view on what?

On nationalism.

Why are you restricted, by the way?

[RGacky3]

BTW what the hell is white culture? I have doubts that it exists.

[bcbm]

Why are you restricted, by the way?

Because she isn't a revolutionary leftist by any stretch.

[vomit_from_your_mouth]

On nationalism.

Why are you restricted, by the way?

I think pride in ones country or ethnic heritage is okay, as long as they don't take it way too seriously. I hate the american nationalists who think that anyone who is mexican is illegal and the mexican La Raza nationalists.

[apathy maybe]

I'm starting to get it now, white racism is more talked about because it's what the anti-racists have seen more of.

Great, I apologise for telling you to fuck off.

[synthesis]

There's no such thing as a "White Nationalist" because there has never been any such thing as a "white nation." The only reason supremacists use that term is because they think it's justified by the existence of "black nationalists", except white people were never deliberately stripped of their individual ethnic identities and forced to act "as a race" rather than on a different basis.

[534634634265]

this thread is so incredibly convoluted and cyclical.
seriously, if you sit down and read this from start to finish, it reads like a seizure.
:sleep: