definition?

[4th_horseman]

i see all these subcategories that define our beliefs. "Communist, Marxist, Neocon etc etc.
i am not sure which category i fall into. what defines you? is there a certain belief belief that you all follow that makes you a leftist? it may be that i don't fall into any of the categories and i may not even belong on this forum.

i see government as being a useless tool for the poor to believe in and a prop for the upper classes to maintain their way of life. they talk about how much they are helping people but i dont see an effect on my life from anything the gov. does.

i also see things going downhill from here. Nothing personal against Obama but i do not see how he can bring anything hopeful to us with his "change".

am i wrong?
the fact of the matter is that i feel like i am anti government but i am not sure that it is because i am so displaced from it or if i am just blind to all the good that it does. it's almost like religion to me. i see no sign of the presence of god so i do not have faith. the same way with gov. no sign of the good that it does.

[Algernon]

I for one refuse to be branded into any one ideology. A good idea is a good idea whether it comes from a communist, capitalist, or a marxist-leninist-maoist-hoxhaist-castroist-other-osbcure-communist-leader-ist.
That being said I think communists have some good ideas but I disagree with most, if not all of the theory and I certainly don't buy into this "revolution" stuff.

[Killfacer]

The problem is that when it comes down to it, there are some pretty large differences between the beliefs of different catogries.

It would obviously be difficult for alot of anarchists (my self included) to be able to work with hardline communists who support what happened during the spanish civil war and Kronstadt.

I have to point out however that i do agree with you in theory. I do not label myself as anything and agree that it is counter productive.

[revolution inaction]

You sound like you could be an anarchist, are you anti capitalist?

[Killfacer]

Yes, why do you ask?

[revolution inaction]

Yes, why do you ask?

oh i meant the op, i was trying to see if they could be an anarchist.
So killfacer you are an anarchist, but you don't use this to describe your politics?

[InsaneSociety]

I am staunchly Liberal, leaning to the centrist. The far left is clueless filled with freaks and anti-social losers, same with the far right. They are two sides of the same worthless coin. I respect Conservatives, more then far-left or far-right. We knocked these Nazi thugs down before, we can do it again! Same with these Communists.

[danyboy27]

I for one refuse to be branded into any one ideology. A good idea is a good idea whether it comes from a communist, capitalist, or a marxist-leninist-maoist-hoxhaist-castroist-other-osbcure-communist-leader-ist.
That being said I think communists have some good ideas but I disagree with most, if not all of the theory and I certainly don't buy into this "revolution" stuff.


welcome in the club man!

[revolution inaction]

I am staunchly Liberal, leaning to the centrist. The far left is clueless filled with freaks and anti-social losers, same with the far right. They are two sides of the same worthless coin. I respect Conservatives, more then far-left or far-right. We knocked these Nazi thugs down before, we can do it again! Same with these Communists.

Actually liberals and conservatives have tended to support fascists, while communists and anarchists have fought them.

[Anti Freedom]

Well, if you want a label, you are either some form of libertarian or anarchist. The issue of whether you like or hate capitalism is very important though.

If you like a currency mediated exchange system under a market economy with private accumulation and control of capital, then your ideology is possibly not in line with this forum, save on OI. However, if you oppose currency mediation, markets, private accumulation, or control of capital, then it is possible that you are more in line with the thoughts driving this forum.

[4th_horseman]

not capitalist at all. which is why i started lurking here to begin with. but i would not consider myself to be an anarchist either. and i am not realy looking for a label. i am really just looking for like minded people to share some views with.

[RGacky3]

I actually like to stay away from labels, I consider myself an Anarchist but I don't label myself as one, because people can twist and turn labels all they want. If you tell people you are "such and such" they start telling you what you are supposed to believe as such and such, so I stay away from that.

[Incendiarism]

Hm, not sure. I used to consider myself an anarchist, but now I just call myself a communist regardless of what others associate with it.

[Anti Freedom]

not capitalist at all. which is why i started lurking here to begin with. but i would not consider myself to be an anarchist either. and i am not realy looking for a label. i am really just looking for like minded people to share some views with.
Ah, I was confused because you were asking about labels:


i see all these subcategories that define our beliefs. "Communist, Marxist, Neocon etc etc.
i am not sure which category i fall into

Then proceeded to define yourself.


i see government as being a useless tool for the poor to believe in and a prop for the upper classes to maintain their way of life....

I took that as you asking to find a way to label yourself, as, after all, you have accepted the label of this forum, and part of your question seems to essentially be "am I the same as you?":


it may be that i don't fall into any of the categories and i may not even belong on this forum.


i am really just looking for like minded people to share some views with.

In any case, labels are an effective way categorizing people and things such that they may be efficiently brought together for a purpose, including sharing ideas. Apologies if that goes against what you desire.

[Anti Freedom]

I actually like to stay away from labels, I consider myself an Anarchist but I don't label myself as one, because people can twist and turn labels all they want. If you tell people you are "such and such" they start telling you what you are supposed to believe as such and such, so I stay away from that.
My stance on the matter is that labels are things people own, they do not own people. Thus it is good and beneficial to have and use labels, but bad to enforce them. In any case, regardless of whether or not you label yourself, you will likely be labeled anyway, simply to reduce the amount of data that must be dealt with. It is easier to handle 12 categories averaging 10 people per category than to manage 120 people.

[4th_horseman]

i have actually labeled myself as a realist because i do not seem to fit into any one category. i am not anti government nor am i looking for a revolution. i just try to see things as they are. as such i am looking for other people who are seeing things in the way i see them and trying to ascertain as their plans when and if certain things take place. as i stated i have been lurking here for several months so i see certin aspects in various groups here that pertain to my ideas but as a whole i do not fit into any one certain group. was more curious to find out if most people here felt the same way or if most has labeled themselves and pretty much felt their views were contained within that label.

[revolution inaction]

I actually like to stay away from labels, I consider myself an Anarchist but I don't label myself as one, because people can twist and turn labels all they want. If you tell people you are "such and such" they start telling you what you are supposed to believe as such and such, so I stay away from that.

Yes they do, then I tell them to go fuck themselves :D

Having a name for something makes it easier to talk about even if we some times have to define what we mean by that name.

Whether people who refuse to label there ideologue/politic theory like it or not there is a name for it, so they can pick it for them selves or other people will.

[revolution inaction]

i have actually labeled myself as a realist because i do not seem to fit into any one category. i am not anti government nor am i looking for a revolution. i just try to see things as they are. as such i am looking for other people who are seeing things in the way i see them and trying to ascertain as their plans when and if certain things take place. as i stated i have been lurking here for several months so i see certin aspects in various groups here that pertain to my ideas but as a whole i do not fit into any one certain group. was more curious to find out if most people here felt the same way or if most has labeled themselves and pretty much felt their views were contained within that label.

It sounded vary much like you where anti government in your first post, why is it you support something which does no good?
Realist is a stupid label, everyone likes to think they are realistic.

[Bud Struggle]

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

[Edit] The above quote was made in Patrick McGoohan TV series the Prisioner. :)

[RGacky3]

Yes they do, then I tell them to go fuck themselves

I hope to god your not an organizer.

[revolution inaction]

I hope to god your not an organizer.

I'm more polite to people who just have mistaken idea but if people think that they can tell me what i should believe because i am an anarchist/communist (not that i tell everyone first thing we meet) and won't listen to what i say i actually think then i get pissed off, i don't have to be nice to people who aren't interested in reality.
This mostly happens on the inter net, in really life most people are more reasonable.