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gorillafuck
13th November 2008, 18:32
I am an undecided communist (I am a sympathizer with various movements). I would like to know what the Luxembourgist idea of democracy is? Sorry if that's a silly question.
Tower of Bebel
14th November 2008, 09:43
Luxemburguista posted this in the RM forum: Luxemburg's concept of democracy (http://www.revleft.com/vb/rosa-luxemburg-s-t80555/index.html).
gorillafuck
14th November 2008, 21:36
The english link does not work for me
Tower of Bebel
14th November 2008, 22:02
The english link does not work for me
But it does for me :(.
Bilan
15th November 2008, 02:56
The english link is a pdf...
anyway,
there's a whole bunch of stuff here. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/)
I'm pretty sure she discusses it in The Russian Revolution or The Socialisation of Society.
though, not sure.
Devrim
15th November 2008, 05:34
I am an undecided communist (I am a sympathizer with various movements). I would like to know what the Luxembourgist idea of democracy is? Sorry if that's a silly question.
I don't think that Luxemburgism really exists as a political current. Parts of the communist left are Luxemburgist in their economic analysis, but not Luxemburgist as such. There is a new group calling themselves Luxemburgist here: http://luxemburgism.forumr.net/index.htm?sid=7c80757fc80766958434747309cf303c
You could ask them.
Devrim
gorillafuck
15th November 2008, 20:33
It is in the Russian Revolution, thanks.
So what I gather is that it is democracy for the middle class regardless of party, and not for the bourgeois?
Edit: Haha I'm reading back on this thread and I totally said middle class. I meant working class.
Tower of Bebel
24th November 2008, 00:16
It is in the Russian Revolution, thanks.
So what I gather is that it is democracy for the middle class regardless of party, and not for the bourgeois?
What middle class?
In the Russian Revolution Rosa argues for the class dictatorship of the proletariat as the fullest and most complete form of democracy. Dictatorship of the proletariat actually means a democratic class rule of the working class as a whole; not the dictatorship of a party, even if it were a vanguard party.
That doesn't mean that the party dictatorship that had developed in the USSR proves that the concept of a centralized vanguard party is the antithesis of the idea that the working class must democratically and collectively own the means of production to rule. No, Rosa sees the reason for this party dictatorship as something else: the isolation and repression of the proletarian revolution because of the betrayal of the former Second International (the SPD in Germany). They had blood on their hands and were for a huge part responsible for the conditions that forced the Bolsheviks to have blood on their own hands.
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