View Full Version : Do you ever feel ashamed of your countries actions?
Yes I do. Although a problem is that you can get an increasing circle of responserbilty though and were does your guilt end. I.e is it your fault for possible voting in a goverment that has done evil acts. E.g. could UK labour voters be blamed for allowing a goverment to allow B-52 bombers to take off from UK soil and to them bomb Iraq?
Yes. Although we do not 'support' the war on Iraq we supplied America with a lot of weapons. And whenver they do something stupid they deserve to be told. If you believe you should support your country right or wrong you also deserve to be shot for being a dumbass.
Loknar
7th June 2003, 05:00
I do at times.
Vinny Rafarino
8th June 2003, 01:42
You Canucks Petey....closet ass-kickers...They pretend to be so blue-blooded....(I am not including you in this generalisation Petey) They want you to think the worst they could do was storm your country supplied with only Moosehead and hockey sticks...Sneaky fuckin' bastards they are...They always have their hands in some war...For fuck sake wansn't it a canuck who shot down Manfred Von Richthofen??
Sneaky sneaky sneaky
My country? No,
Its not my country, i just happen to live here.
Governments and countries are just so silly sometimes.
Loknar
8th June 2003, 01:48
yep, I wouldnt want to mess with a nation loaded with drunk hockey fans.
RAF
It isnt known exactly how the Red Barons plane was shot down, some say it was a bullet from the trenches he flew over or it was that Canuk.
It was Bobby somebody...bobby fuck I forget his name. He was the best ace of the War after teh baron I believe. Our troops are also, historically, some of the best in the world. We have repulsed the Americans tens of times!! Those bastards don't stand a chance :)
CubanFox
8th June 2003, 01:55
It was the Australian machine gunners below him. The shots ripped through the fuselage and one hit his head.
Dr. Rosenpenis
8th June 2003, 02:48
There is no country of mine
Vinny Rafarino
8th June 2003, 04:12
I just read the compiled evidence on Richthofen's death...It was an Aussie on the ground that fired the fatal shot....But not in the head...here's the info...just in case you would like to know. (yes I'm aware it's of no consequence to the thread)
"All accounts agree that the entry wound was in the right side of Richthofen's chest so that this new evidence is further proof that Captain Brown could never have inflicted the fatal wound on von Richthofen."
"All accounts agree that the entry wound was in the right side of Richthofen's chest so that this new evidence is further proof that Captain Brown [our canadian] could never have inflicted the fatal wound on von Richthofen."
Sorry Pete. You're still a bunch of sneaky bastards though.
YOU WILL NEVER LEARN OF CAMP X-urk... man that place creeps me out. The spy head quaters of the "allies" in my backyard. Damn bastards.
Guardia Bolivariano
8th June 2003, 06:06
Countries are not to blame, their goverment are.
Kapitan Andrey
8th June 2003, 09:50
Well said, Genaro!!!
Xvall
8th June 2003, 20:55
I'm on the same level as Som. This isn't my country. That isn't my president. I believe Malcolm X said it best. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us.
Loknar
8th June 2003, 21:12
Drake
If you're not a black man or decendant of a slave that statement doesnt apply.
Hampton
8th June 2003, 21:14
I think it applies to any oppressed peoples.
Loknar
8th June 2003, 21:16
I suppose so, but I dont think that statement applies anymore today.
Hampton
8th June 2003, 21:29
Why not? The rock can be symbolic of any oppressive force that is putting its weight on top of you. The Bush administration is oppressive, the people did not elect Bush, we were here before Bush got elected, thus he becomes the rock that has landed on the American people.
And it still applies because the problems that the landing of the rock caused are still around today.
Loknar
8th June 2003, 22:16
Actually the vote was so close that we'll never know for sure who was elected. However elections dont go by popular vote but by electorial college.
How is Bush being opresive? How is sending familes $400 per child opressive? Even 6 million poor famlies will get a $400 check.
The type of opression I was thinking about is the "You wont hire my because I'm black/Hispanic" (or anyother minority). People like Jessey Jackson are around to remain in the business of extorting hundreds of millions of dollars (and at the same time gaining contracts for him own family members) from companies. He is a damned crook and I wish people like him would disappear.
Actually the vote was so close that we'll never know for sure who was elected. However elections dont go by popular vote but by electorial college.
It was close in florida, but nationally, Gore got about 300,000 more votes than Bush.
Hampton
9th June 2003, 02:52
Why didn't you mention that along with Bush's tax plan the lowest 60 percent of households on the income scale would only share 12.7 percent of the tax relief created by Bush's plan while the wealthiest echelon of society, or the top 10 percent, would benefit 60.3 percent? Slipped your mind?
The Patriot Act isn't oppressive to civil liberties? Thousands of Arabs being rounded up after 9/11 and held without being charged of anything is not oppressive? Wars on Iraq and Afghanistan aren't oppressing people overseas?
What does Jesse Jackson have to do with not being able to get a job because someone's name isn't white enough? What's the diffrence between Jesse giving contracts to his family and Bush giving military contracts to Haliburton?
Loknar
9th June 2003, 04:56
Why didn't you mention that along with Bush's tax plan the lowest 60 percent of households on the income scale would only share 12.7 percent of the tax relief created by Bush's plan while the wealthiest echelon of society, or the top 10 percent, would benefit 60.3 percent? Slipped your mind?
The top %1 along pay 1/3 of this nations taxes. It is impossible to not cut taxes with out them benefiting because we all pat toward a certain tax. What about Bush's 550 Billion tax cut that was slashed down?
The Patriot Act isn't oppressive to civil liberties? Thousands of Arabs being rounded up after 9/11 and held without being charged of anything is not oppressive?
Show me some numbers.
Wars on Iraq and Afghanistan aren't oppressing people overseas?
Afghanistan had a chance to hand Osama over to us but they didnt take it. How were we wrong for going to get him? You dont care about the Iraqi people of the Afghani people, you just want to oppose Bush .
What does Jesse Jackson have to do with not being able to get a job because someone's name isn't white enough?
I am useing him as an example of who racial discrmination still existing in this country is BS. Sure it exists but not like tjhey make it out to be.
What's the diffrence between Jesse giving contracts to his family and Bush giving military contracts to Haliburton?
Big difference. Haliburton is a company with intent to make money. Jackson is supposedly a civil rights leader with intent to perserve the rights of minorities, however both are money hungry and make lots of it. Jackson is by all means a crook.
(Edited by Loknar at 5:01 am on June 9, 2003)
Hampton
9th June 2003, 05:41
Maybe the top 1% should pay the most taxes because they control most of the wealth.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...03/MN214165.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/06/03/MN214165.DTL)
http://www.redding.com/news/national/past/...212nat023.shtml (http://www.redding.com/news/national/past/20021212nat023.shtml)
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/...rdetainees.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/03terdetainees.html)
Why was Afghanistan bombed anyway? Didn't the papers say that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11? Weren't most of the hijackers from Saudi Arabia? Didn't the USA give money to the Taliban?
I am useing him as an example of who racial discrmination still existing in this country is BS. Sure it exists but not like tjhey make it out to be.
Do me a favor: be black for one day and say that racism isn't as bad as people say it is. Cops break the door down of a black woman and throw a flash grenade in the room and find that there are no drugs and guns like they though, meanwhile she dies of a heart attack. Why doesn’t this happen in a white neighborhood?
You dont care about the Iraqi people of the Afghani people, you just want to oppose Bush.
Sure, I'm going to waste my time protesting because I have this personal grudge against Bush and I don't want to see the end of suffering and murder. All the good Germans cry when 3,000 die on 9/11 but don't blink when double that die in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Whatever personal attacks you want to make about Jesse, I could care less, the guy has done a lot of good for his people and a lot of people around the world.
Loknar
9th June 2003, 06:11
Maybe the top 1% should pay the most taxes because they control most of the wealth.
They do!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...03/MN214165.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/06/03/MN214165.DTL)
http://www.redding.com/news/national/past/...212nat023.shtml (http://www.redding.com/news/national/past/20021212nat023.shtml)
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/...rdetainees.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/03terdetainees.html)
I see little here in the way of a human rights violation. These people will be charged or released.
Why was Afghanistan bombed anyway? Didn't the papers say that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11?
Osama authorized the plan. though. We bombed Afghanistan because we were denied access to Osama Bin Laden.
Weren't most of the hijackers from Saudi Arabia? Didn't the USA give money to the Taliban?
Yes Saudi's, I wish we would dump those scum bags (i am speaking of the Royal Family).
Do me a favor: be black for one day and say that racism isn't as bad as people say it is. Cops break the door down of a black woman and throw a flash grenade in the room and find that there are no drugs and guns like they though, meanwhile she dies of a heart attack. Why doesn’t this happen in a white neighborhood?
What makes you think that this doesnt happen? Some people will be racist no matter what (including Black cops) or perhaps the Cops had probabal cause
Sure, I'm going to waste my time protesting because I have this personal grudge against Bush and I don't want to see the end of suffering and murder. All the good Germans cry when 3,000 die on 9/11 but don't blink when double that die in Iraq or Afghanistan.
If it was a Commie doing what Bush is doing you would go along with it.
I hear everyone yelling about the deaths in Iraq and Afghinastan, what would you do if you had to deal with these terrorists?
Whatever personal attacks you want to make about Jesse, I could care less, the guy has done a lot of good for his people and a lot of people around the world.
Yes, go to a company and complain about how there isnt enough minority employees. Are you aware Motorolla gave him millions? Funny how he shuts up after the cash rolls in.
(Edited by Loknar at 6:12 am on June 9, 2003)
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