New Texan Pledge of Alliegance Law - American Indoctrination

[Pete]

The Legislature passed, and Gov. Rick Perry last week signed into law, a bill ordering all school districts to require students to pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags once during each school day, starting in the fall.

If you do not find anything with the above statement then I ask you, why not? It is obviously an affront to the Civil rights of many individuals, and illegal based on United States Supreme Court rulings in the last 60 years. I know some people will try to support this new law, I want to know why.

More Info (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=35&ItemID=3732)

[Anonymous]

I really see nothing wrong with a little government backed patriotism once and a while.

They even require us to say the pledge every monday at my school.

[Bianconero]

Where's the big deal? It's simply an effort of the ruling class to brainwash the working class. Sadly, it worked out in the past and it will this time. Anyway, I'm neither surprised nor impressed. It's actually what the ruling class is supposed to do. Brainwash people. This is in their class interest. Nothing spectacular, usual business.

[Anonymous]

Are you kidding? That's nothing. Way back in third grade our teacher would not only make us say the pledge every day, but she would also have us kneel down and pray to God for a good day at school.

I'm an atheist now though.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 3:59 pm on June 5, 2003)

[Bianconero]

So what exactly do you want me to understand now !?

[Dirty Commie]

Mad Cowboy Disease...it got to bush, now the rest of Texas.

The symptoms include:
Urge to war with middle east
Ties to oil corporations
Tricky accounting
Evangelical christian worship
Low IQ
and protecting offspring from being arrested for use of fake ID's

[Soul Rebel]

Dirty Commie- You forgot:
Urge to control womyn's bodies
Doesnt care for the poor
Punishes single parent households
Ethnocentrism

[Dirty Commie]

Yeah, those are some of the biggest ones.

[truthaddict11]

and executing people

i did not read the article but i am sure the ACLU of texas will follow on this

[Anonymous]

Who the hell cares? Kids don't even pay attention when the pledge is read anyway. Most just stand there with there hands over their chests repeating the words while there minds are off somewhere else.

In fact, some don't even say the pledge, they just stand.

[Bianconero]

But then, most of them end up as pathetic individuals keen on dying for their country in one of those imperialistic wars.

[YKTMX]

Quote: from Bianconero on 9:02 pm on June 5, 2003
So what exactly do you want me to understand now !?


Interesting. Would you consider owning a house "private property" as that now applies to 60 or 70 percent in most industrialized countries.

[Bianconero]

"Owning" something means possessing private property.

(Edited by Bianconero at 10:07 pm on June 5, 2003)

[Loknar]

I find this intereasting that they have to also pledge alliegance to Texan. I am glad and a little worried at the same time.

[Zombie]

glad and little worried? how come?

[Loknar]

Well people dont see states as having any power over the federal government. This may actually work to help people realize that States do have rights.

On the other hand the people may see their state as only deserving of their alliegance. ALso I think it could in 50 years be easier for a civil war to break out. I know what I am saying may be far fetched but it it a valid concern.

[Pete]

I wouldn't mind seeing a civil war in the USA for this one simple reason: They would realize what war is and not be so hot to go off around the world and cause hell.

[truthaddict11]

i dont think state pride is any different than national pride i have no sympathy for either, lets say a civil war would break out , highly unlikely in my opinion but, what do you think it would be about? i think it will be about Capitalist endeavours

[Loknar]

i think the 2nd amendment would start one off.

See, i think America's downfall wont happen externally but internally much like rome.

[afreesociety]

i thought that law was already in effect. i live in texas and we already have to pledge to the flag every morning. i was yelled out once for not standing up. she asked me if i was from america. and i said yes. and she said i should be ashamed. i said ashamed of what. and she said of being anti-american.does not standing make me less of a patriot? im not saying i am a patriot. im just asking?...

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Loknar on 7:36 pm on June 5, 2003
i think the 2nd amendment would start one off.

See, i think America's downfall wont happen externally but internally much like rome.


I support gun ownership but not the assualt rifles the NRA wants, not yet at least :biggrin:

freesociety you can legaly not say the pledge it is currently constitutionally protected so shrug off the texas law

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

i thought that law was already in effect. i live in texas and we already have to pledge to the flag every morning. i was yelled out once for not standing up. she asked me if i was from america. and i said yes. and she said i should be ashamed. i said ashamed of what. and she said of being anti-american.does not standing make me less of a patriot? im not saying i am a patriot. im just asking?...

the supreme court ruked that it's okay for studenst to refuse to pledge, but i dunno if Texas law over rules a sumpre court decision. Tell you teachers to take her head out of her ass, or you can tell her that patriotism is counter revolutionary, it's an enemy of the worker, it works against the unification of the proletariat, and furthers the rise of a working classes' emancipation.

I never pledged anyway. I always stood up so i wouldn't call too much attention to myself, because evryone else is extremely patriotic, so they stand up or they are intimidated to not stand up. I never pledged my alleigance or placed my hand over my heart for the flag of fascism,a nd I'm proud of never doing it.

[187]

It should be the right of everyone to not have to pledge alliegance to anything or anyone.

It's almost comical that people don't see the irony in forcing people to recite a pledge about liberty.

[Ymir]

"It's almost comical that people don't see the irony in forcing people to recite a pledge about liberty."

That made me smile.


I hope that things become more unpleasant in the USA. The tighter the regime grabs onto the population, more will slip out.

(Edited by Ymir at 3:08 am on June 6, 2003)

[Loknar]

We say the pledge by default. If someone wisdhes to be excluded then they cant be forced.

I have to tell you that at first I didnt even know what I was saying :)

[Dirty Commie]

I haven't pledged since fourth grade, my teaches don't normallly give a crap, they just ignore everything I say though.

187, good point.

[atlanticche]

just by interest what is the pledge

[Dirty Commie]

I honestly can't remember.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from atlanticche on 11:13 am on June 6, 2003
just by interest what is the pledge


in the U$A, every student, every morning stands up, places his hand over his heart and pledges alleigance to the flag and all the crap that its stands for...blablabla...under god...blablabla...with justice for all.

[Loknar]

Victorcommie

What country do you follow? You may not like your country but it is your country. DOnt ally your self to the governmment but ally you self to your home and land.

[Dirty Commie]

Loknar, that is the exact logic used by the confederacy in the civil war, be loyal to your home land before your country? That sounds very ban-worthy.

[Iron Star]

I think the pledge, in itself, seems slightly fascist.


"I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all."

[Dirty Commie]

Actually, it is liberty and justice for rich conservative WASP's (white anglo-saxon protestants)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Loknar, i am not an American (I love saying that!), I am a Brazilian. And I do not think that one shoud be loyal to any piece of land, state, nation, person, party, family, nothing. Patriotism, Loknar, is a tool of the bourgeoisie, it works against the unification of the working classes by creating false enemies, when the worker only has one true enemy: the bourgeoisie. Patriotism, as you can see, is counter revolutionary, it is an enemy of the leftists movement and of the worker, it is a cowardly attampt to further the emancipation of the proletariat. I would never be cought participating in any celebration of national pride! It sickens me, in fact.

[Loknar]

Where does your loyalty lie?

(Edited by Loknar at 6:23 am on June 7, 2003)

[synthesis]

Quote: from Loknar on 6:22 am on June 7, 2003
Where does your loyalty lie?

(Edited by Loknar at 6:23 am on June 7, 2003)
The loyalty of all socialists lies with the international proletariat.