OCCUPATION BLUES No. 9 - More Iraqi Resistance

[redstar2000]

U.S. occupation troops come under fire again, one killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/2965054.stm

What happened to the people who were supposed to be cheering and throwing flowers?

:cool:

[Vinny Rafarino]

What a shame. Only one?

[Loknar]

They dont want us there. But we dont want Islamic fundamentalism to take root. Once a government is up and running we'll be gone for the most part.

COMRADE RAF

What do you mean? Why do you want americxan troops to suffer for Bush's decision?

[Sensitive]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 12:47 am on June 6, 2003
What a shame. Only one?
LOL, my thoughts exactly! :biggrin:

[Cassius Clay]

All the more reason to continue with the anti-war movement. There was a saying the British troops used when going into Iraq 'We come not to conquer but to Liberate' only problem was that was in 1917. The war is still going on and American troops are dying and will die in greater numbers, that the media isn't reporting on it right now just goes to show how much there in the pockets of Bush.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Loknar on 7:01 am on June 6, 2003
They dont want us there. But we dont want Islamic fundamentalism to take root. Once a government is up and running we'll be gone for the most part.

COMRADE RAF

What do you mean? Why do you want americxan troops to suffer for Bush's decision?


They should suffer the same fate as all the Iraqis killed by their "freedom" efforts. "Following orders" is an excuse that is not tolerated when lives are at stake. Any individual who takes up arms against a fellow human in the name of imperialism is no longer "innocent". You are fair game.

And another thing...Did you have this outlook concerning the Iraqi people?...Why should they suffer for their leaders actions? (Ahem...I mean oil) Where was your fucking concern then?? Oh I see. They are only dirty fuckin' rag heads right? And holy cow dude they don't even worship the right god right??

Simply pathetic.

[RAM]

Quote: from Sensitive on 9:31 am on June 6, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 12:47 am on June 6, 2003
What a shame. Only one?
LOL, my thoughts exactly! :biggrin:


You are sick!

You want death then!

I now that the Americans are an invading force and all but they should not be shoot at as they are trying to re-build the country from there invasion!

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from RAM on 12:05 pm on June 6, 2003

Quote: from Sensitive on 9:31 am on June 6, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 12:47 am on June 6, 2003
What a shame. Only one?
LOL, my thoughts exactly! :biggrin:


You are sick!

You want death then!

I now that the Americans are an invading force and all but they should not be shoot at as they are trying to re-build the country from there invasion!

Quiet down little boy. You have no idea what you are talking about. I actually bothered to read your post..What a mistake.

[LOIC]

They dont want us there. But we dont want Islamic fundamentalism to take root. Once a government is up and running we'll be gone for the most part.


But the u$ government have not the right to decide the future of irak.
Americans should try to rid of their country of christians fundamentalists instead of occupying a country to steal its richness. Because if the u$a continue to act this way, the next 9-11 will, unfortunately, come soon.

What a shame. Only one?

lol

[Loknar]

COMRADE RAF

If you live in America you sure dont deserve to. And you have no contemplation of loyality do you?

[James]

we dont want Islamic fundamentalism to take root. Once a government is up and running we'll be gone for the most part.


So you don't want Iraq to be democratic?
I thought that was one of the reasons for going in there? You know, getting rid of another dictatorship blah blah blah
Seems like America only wishes to install another dictatorship... AGAIN.

[Loknar]

So you don't want Iraq to be democratic?
I thought that was one of the reasons for going in there? You know, getting rid of another dictatorship blah blah blah

I could care less, but no Islamic crap. That is all we need, another Ayetollah.

I dont know where you got the idea that we were there for the Iraqi people, we arent. About the dictatorship, you act like we are the only ones to ever do something like it, but if they want a dictatorship let them have one.

[Dirty Commie]

Why can't the Iraqi people have an Islamic fundamentalist government if that is that they want? You have very strange logic loknar.

[Loknar]

Quote: from Dirty Commie on 5:02 pm on June 6, 2003
Why can't the Iraqi people have an Islamic fundamentalist government if that is that they want? You have very strange logic loknar.

Hey, RUmsfeld said it. And basically you sumed it all up.

[Dirty Commie]

When did Rumsfeld say that the people of Iraq can have a fundmentalist government if that is the choice they make?

[Loknar]

He said it a while ago. If you cant trust me on it (I wouldnt blame you) I will search for it.

[Dirty Commie]

Either way, we live in a country run by a dick, a bush, and a colon. But seriously, Rummy is the second worst person in the administration, the first being Ashcroft, the author of the patriot act.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Loknar on 1:33 pm on June 6, 2003
COMRADE RAF

If you live in America you sure dont deserve to. And you have no contemplation of loyality do you?


I believe conception whas the word you were looking for little one. Are you now stating that anyone who does not share your imperialistic opinion has no right to live in America? Think about what you are saying. Would that not be in violation of the first ammendment?

You are simply not smart enough to post in this forum. Please go away.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:06 pm on June 6, 2003)

[Dirty Commie]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 3:02 pm on June 6, 2003[brYou are simply not smart enough to post in this forum. Please go away.

Well said RAF.

[RAM]

I saw this news report from Iraq and in it these women were getting scared of an Islmaic state and having to wear the vail and to have few rights

[Loknar]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 8:02 pm on June 6, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 1:33 pm on June 6, 2003
COMRADE RAF

If you live in America you sure dont deserve to. And you have no contemplation of loyality do you?


I believe conception whas the word you were looking for little one. Are you now stating that anyone who does not share your imperialistic opinion has no right to live in America? Think about what you are saying. Would that not be in violation of the first ammendment?

You are simply not smart enough to post in this forum. Please go away.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:06 pm on June 6, 2003)


Would you intentionaly inflict harm on this country to bering a government in your own image to power? You see Freedom of Speech doesnt allow for people to call for a revolution unless the government is out of control.

[Dirty Commie]

Well, loknar, the government is out of control.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Loknar on 8:55 pm on June 6, 2003

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 8:02 pm on June 6, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 1:33 pm on June 6, 2003
COMRADE RAF

If you live in America you sure dont deserve to. And you have no contemplation of loyality do you?


I believe conception whas the word you were looking for little one. Are you now stating that anyone who does not share your imperialistic opinion has no right to live in America? Think about what you are saying. Would that not be in violation of the first ammendment?

You are simply not smart enough to post in this forum. Please go away.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:06 pm on June 6, 2003)


Would you intentionaly inflict harm on this country to bering a government in your own image to power? You see Freedom of Speech doesnt allow for people to call for a revolution unless the government is out of control.


Did I not just say you are not smart enough for this forum and to go away?

I am well versed in the "sedition" clause in the first ammendment. If you do not understand this word please feel free to use a dictionary boy.

Jules

[RAM]

HeHeeeee

[Loknar]

COMRADE RAF

Just because we have the first amendment it doesnt mean you can say what ever you want to say. My point is that if you hate America then go to North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, China or anyother COmmunist country. You benefit from capitolism though so you wont leave.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I believe you meant to say capitalism

"capitolism" is not a word.

When did I say I hate anything? Are you having trouble remembering that far back? You know this thread has three whole pages now. Perhaps you should stick to threads about video games and such boy. RAM needs a friend.

[Pete]

Quote: from Loknar on 4:33 pm on June 6, 2003
COMRADE RAF

Just because we have the first amendment it doesnt mean you can say what ever you want to say. My point is that if you hate America then go to North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, China or anyother COmmunist country. You benefit from capitolism though so you wont leave.


Hypocrite...

[Vinny Rafarino]

Oi pete and dirty commie....I do believe we have found a new candidate for "the most idiotic cappie"

This kat makes kelvin90210 look like Stephen fucking Hawking.




(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 10:16 pm on June 6, 2003)

[Bianconero]

He's not necessarily a hypocrite. Uneducated, that's all. Loknar, it's not about countries, it's about gaining power with the working class in the struggle for a new system. It doesn't matter which country he, Comrade RAF, lives in. All that matters is his class - counsciousness. If people in the United States weren't so blinded by bourgeois propaganda, the workers would turn to revolution. The United States as such are not the problem, it's the class ruling the US.

[Vinny Rafarino]

pete and CyM...I do believe we have found a new candidate for "the most idiotic cappie"

This kat makes kelvin90210 look like Stephen fucking Hawking.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Bianconero on 9:59 pm on June 6, 2003
He's not necessarily a hypocrite. Uneducated, that's all. Loknar, it's not about countries, it's about gaining power with the working class in the struggle for a new system. It doesn't matter which country he, Comrade RAF, lives in. All that matters is his class - counsciousness. If people in the United States weren't so blinded by bourgeois propaganda, the workers would turn to revolution. The United States as such are not the problem, it's the class ruling the US.


True comrade, but this thread was actually about clipping some yanquees.

julian

[James]

I could care less, but no Islamic crap. That is all we need, another Ayetollah.

One of the aims was to install democracy. Not selective democracy.

You do have a problem with this selectiveness

I dont know where you got the idea that we were there for the Iraqi people, we arent.

LMAO!
"To liberate the people of Iraq"
"regime change"
lar die dar

About the dictatorship, you act like we are the only ones to ever do something like it, but if they want a dictatorship let them have one.

I don't understand.....

[Loknar]

James

Bush had to spout out his BS to gain support. We arent there for the Iraqi people.


Basically I am saying that we werent the only nation to install dictatorships. And if the Iraqi people choose a totalatarian government then let them have it.

[IHP]

You are constantly sprouting this "Other countries have done it too" rhetoric. It's absolutely no excuse. At leat you admit that all the reasons for going to war was a load of BS.

--IHP

[Sensitive]

Haha! The Iraqi freedom fighters have struck again!

1 imperialist thug dead, 4 wounded.

Keep stack'n em up! (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030607/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_americans_attacked&cid=540&ncid=716)

[Loknar]

You are constantly sprouting this "Other countries have done it too" rhetoric. It's absolutely no excuse.


I guess I just dont care. Conquest, subjection ect. has always been done and it will continue to be done.

[James]

lol
And you don't think its nasty or anything?

[Loknar]

I think it is nasty, but it will never end unlss we are a 1 world government or a Confederation.

[James]

how old are you?

[Dirty Commie]

I bet he is either in his thirties and lives with his parents, or is an ignorant 12 year old who belives everything his parents tell him.

[Loknar]

Ok, before insulting me tell me how I was wrong.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Ok, before insulting me tell me how I was wrong.


If you insist loknar.

You're wrong because your statement was a vague generalisation.

You're a fucking imbecile.

Ask and you shall receive.

[James]

loknar how old are you?
I think i may have assumed you were older, thus had bit too much of a dig at you. Sorry if this is so.

[Loknar]

COMRAD RAF

I was vauge but I was correct. Pick up a history book and look at humanity. It is sad but true. 180 Million people died last century from war, opression or some other sort of unatural death. Do you guys honestly think that we as humans can ever stop fighting?

James
I am18

[Vinny Rafarino]

I don't know Loknar I stopped reading your posts some time ago...unless they are directed at me...I simply jumped on a chance to tell you you are wrong and insult you by invitation.

[Loknar]

You must have allot of time on your hands.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Obviously not as much as you Baby Huey....At least I know where I can now score some "roids" if I ever want to "pump up".

[Pete]

Either regain a semblance of debate or see this thread closed. Grow up both of you.

[IHP]

"180 Million people died last century from war, opression or some other sort of unatural death."

Ha! Try 120 million. 180, is a little over the top, no?

"Do you guys honestly think that we as humans can ever stop fighting? "

No, but why advocate it? The U.S make a bad situation immeasurably worse.

--IHP

[Hampton]

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.165.gif

[Loknar]

Ha! Try 120 million. 180, is a little over the top, no?

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm#TotalEst

Also read the FAQ on the same page.

No, but why advocate it? The U.S make a bad situation immeasurably worse.

I dont advocate it at all. No matter what happens we will fight because we are violent and have greedy leaders or asshole imperialists.
--IHP

[/quote]

(Edited by Loknar at 6:46 am on June 8, 2003)

[IHP]

Historian and sociologist Giavanni Irrighi: "Slightly exceeding 120 million....[died due to human caused incidents] over the twentieth century.

Historian Eric Hobsbawm, in "Age of Extremes" page 3-5, "Estimated at 120 million [dead due to ... etc.].

Historian, and ex-US naval officer Chalmers Johnson, in "Blowback: The costs and consequences of American Empire" Chapter 3 "Stealth Imperialism": "Over 55 million, it can be best judged, perished ..... [due to] World War 2, and over 100 million ... [died due to...] throughout the last century"

I have a whole shelf of these.

" I dont advocate it at all. No matter what happens we will fight because we are violent and have greedy leaders or asshole imperialists"

Yes you are, Loknar, yes you are.

--IHP

[Loknar]

i hate pinochet

MAybe the source I use is taking something else into consideration concerning the death toll.


And dont tell me what I believe.

[IHP]

I'm not sure what lese that includes. Does it factor in diseases?

I'm not telling you anything.

--IHP

[Loknar]

Genocide and Tyranny
Military Deaths in War
Civilian Deaths in War
Man-made Famine

These are taken into account.

[IHP]

It just seems excessive based on my other sources. It must be including something else, I just don't know what. All well, I suppose we'll never know.

--IHP