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Rex0230
12th November 2008, 09:21
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/25/arts/music/25brockweb.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Def not a fan of any type of rock music, so I would like to know your opinion... Are some of those songs taken out of context?

ZeroNowhere
12th November 2008, 12:35
"There's nothing in the streets / Looks any different to me / And the slogans are replaced, by—the—bye. . . . Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss."
I... don't see how this is conservative?
Also, the Sex Pistols song was certainly wrongly cited. It's in no way anti-abortion, it's just to piss everybody off, the aim of the Sex Pistols.
Also, John Lennon was a commie, remember? Heh, the Beatles were conservative. Ha. Ha. Anyways, Rush did make an Authoritarian song, that is, 'The Trees'. It's pretty stupid. Also, the best version of 'I fought the law' was the Clash one. The Clash were leftists (Strummer reportedly thought that Marx believed in a party dictatorship or whatever, but it's an understandable mistake at the time).
However, I don't listen to most of these bands, being a metalhead (though I do listen to quite a bit of punk. I'm not much of a Sex Pistols fan, but I still know better than these people?)
Also, 'Rock the Casbah'... AHAHAHAHA. That's hilarious. Guys, you have no idea what that song was about (neither did many of the people who thought it was anti-Arab during the war), the Clash were anti-war, STFU. Blink 182? I don't care what Blink 182 think, they suck. Also, I really don't get the Iron Maiden reference. Really, I don't...
So yeah, it's certainly an imperfect list, as well as stupid. Really, the only good song I saw there was 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner' (and I still don't see what it was doing there), and 'Rock the Casbah' is decent. How about we chuck some Reagan Youth in there? :D
Also, on the Metallica reference... Heh, presumably 'Ample Destruction' by Jag Panzer is conservative too? :laugh: (It's also way better than anything Metallica have put out. Ever.)

cop an Attitude
12th November 2008, 14:29
Yeah, some are out of context, some are just reformist over revolutionary. (1) Like the Who was very aware of the problems in the UK (just watch quadrophenia).

(7) For the beatles, although John Lennon was a hypocrite, he was very left. Revolution 1 was his song and it was an early political song by him. I mean look at "God" or "Working Class Hero". Plus that mao part wasn't all that bad ;).

Just looking at this it seems that some of these songs are more opposing of a goverment power rather than conservative views, like the Pretender song (13) or "Cult of Personality".

(8) The Sex Pistols being on this list must just be a result of poor research.

(18) Cult of Personality actully condems both sides of the spectrum and I feel is really an attack of all political figureheads.

(20) Rock the Casbah was about the banning of music in Iran. That was taken totally out of context! Uh, what about every other Clash song, tell me thats conservative?

(28) Jane's got a gun, thats streaching it.

(43) Everclear is somewhat odd. They seem like they would be socialist if they knew what socialism was. Their song "I Will Buy You A New Life" is about the troubles of poverty and how someone will save them but their solution is a weathly millionaire. All their major singles sang about 3 things. Fathers not there, divorce or poverty. I guess it can be seen as slightly conservative but there are hundreds of more rightwinged songs.

Proof that this list was poorly constructed: where is "Proud to be an American" or "Sunny (or Sunday) Afternoon"? I'm just glad they didnt' make the mistake of putting on the saterical but often misunderstood song "Born in the USA".

Some of the song are conservative, some are just jaded librials and some are taken out of context. Big musicians normally do not give good political advice just plainly due to the fact that capitalism gave them that big tour and 30ft pool. It seems that New York Times are really just thinking that right equals weak goverment, strong market and the left is strong goverment, weak market. Its not that black and white at all, although the cold war may have made it seem that way. Its really just a cliche outlook on the left that was behind this list, many of these songs can be seen as very left, almost anarchist. Some of these songs can be more of an anarchist's top 50 than a conservative's top 50. (with the excption of the nationalist songs). I think you should look into each song and take it for what you think it means.

ZeroNowhere
12th November 2008, 17:59
An Anarchist Top 50 would actually be pretty awesome.
Though yes, 'Born in the USA' would have made the list even worse, though still... They included The Clash.

Dr Mindbender
12th November 2008, 20:42
the sex pistols are pro life?

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha! :laugh::laugh:

mykittyhasaboner
12th November 2008, 22:29
Whoever made this list doesn't take into account that artists aren't always so serious about what they write, and often use sarcasm, satire, etc. I think it also stretches the definition of 'conservative' numerous times, and the author of the list immediately judges songs as 'conservative' because they make reference to an otherwise conservative standpoint.

Comrade Gwydion
23rd September 2009, 22:53
Obviously these conservatives don't know about sarcasm....

gorillafuck
23rd September 2009, 23:20
34. "Godzilla," by Blue Oyster Cult.
A 1977 classic about a big green monster — and more: "History shows again and again / How nature points up the folly of men."
This is conservative?:laugh:

brigadista
3rd October 2009, 00:30
thought heroes was about a boy and a boy... those crazy foolish conservatives constantly revising..

Wanted Man
17th November 2009, 18:36
http://article.nationalreview.com/images/author/img5679714594455ed13caecf.gif

Here's a man who knows all about rock 'n roll. (original article (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzZkNDU5MmViNzVjNzkzMDE3NzNlN2MyZjRjYTk4YjE))