anti-fascism in football (soccer)

[Holden Caulfield]

i have no clue on this one...:blink:

enlighten me

[spartan]

What is it you wish to know?

Clubs who have prominent anti-Fascist fans are Livorno from Italy (mostly Stalinists from what I have been told by other people) and FC St. Pauli from Germany (mostly Anarchists).

[Wanted Man]

Left wing football teams (http://www.revleft.com/vb/left-wing-football-t71064/index.html?t=71064&highlight=football)
Livorno Football Club (http://www.revleft.com/vb/livorno-football-club-t45724/index.html?t=45724&highlight=football)
What football team do you support? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/football-team-do-t65335/index.html?t=65335&highlight=football)

[Sam_b]

I would also add my German team, FC Union Berlin. They're pretty good at that sort of stuff, so I hear.

[Sasha]

i think some of our cypriotic comardes here are omonia supporters, their firm gate 9 seem very antifa.

[Holden Caulfield]

i think some of our cypriotic comardes here are omonia supporters, their firm gate 9 seem very antifa.

Fuser is, i wondered what gate9 ment in his msn name,
see how little i know about this...:confused:

[Sasha]

and aperantly this picture is from standaart luik (belgium) but i'm not sure if that is true

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/vinc_tallawah/AntifaUnited.jpg

[WashingtonBullets]

The fash have always been prominent in football so its a nice change to see left leaning clubs. I think theres a website called anarchistsoccer.com or something along those lines.

[Sasha]

in the netheland non of the firms identify explicetly as left-wing but is seems that nazi hunting is becoming an national sport (i think thanx to rise in mult-cultral members at most firm, the fact that they don'want other mobs on their turf and ofcourse the typical hooligan mentality that when one firm did it and got in ythe news for it the rest couldn't stay behind).

firms that got involved in antifa punch ups recently:
f-side/vak 410 youth section (ajax)
vanda's noord (zwolle)
top oss
fijenoord
ufc (utrecht)
and i'm sure to forget some.

[F9]

Fuser is, i wondered what gate9 ment in his msn name,
see how little i know about this...:confused:

Yeah, my team is OMONOIA(OMONIA in english), and yes thats the "gate9" i had on msn, and thats what the g9 means in my nick!;)

Basically Gate9 isnt a firm, firms are the hooligan groups which have been named after, we are just fans(fanatics) with Ultra's being our most closely "idea" as group, and to be more precisely ANTIFA ULTRAS(Although we dont use the ULTRA "title")
You can see about ULTRAS here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultras) and just go to politics and you will see a lot of leftist- antifascist teams-fans,but you will see some facists too!
Antifascism in football grounds and especially among the fans is currently growing.Football has always been the game of the poor people, where they didnt find jobs they have been playing football,ex. Brazil and Argentina, where most of people are poor with no jobs, they are among the "elit" in football players, and the best players ever, in my oppinion came from those countries.(Maradona,Pele etc).There are a lot of groups that have been organised where football fans from different countries and teams gather against facism, imperialism capitalism etc.Among the most famous is a football tournament St.Pauli organizes where leftists fans from all over the world go in German and play their favorite game, against facism, racism etc.In the Ultras wikipedia source i gave you, you can find another one link where there is an antiracist global tournament.
Moreover ULTRAS groups have the habit to make "brotherships" with other groups.A lot of the Antifa Ultras teams, are brotherhood, and fans from both teams are consider brothers by each other, and when i mean brothers you can take the whole meaning of the word.For example Ultra' Sankt Pauli(USP) are brotherhood with Celtics Green brigade.My group(Gate9) is brother with ULTRAS HAPOEL from the near Israel etc etc alot of examples!
Hope i helped!:p

[An archist]

and aperantly this picture is from standaart luik (belgium) but i'm not sure if that is true

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/vinc_tallawah/AntifaUnited.jpg

It's spelled Standard Liege (or Luik).
And yes, the picture was taken in their stadium, it was made by the ultras inferno firm. The atmophere in their stadium is among the best in Europe, they're really the 12th player and as you can see they're firmly against fascism.
Liege is an old industrial city and there's a lot of immigrants, mainly from Italy, and that's one of the reasons for their leftist sentiment.

More fancy pictures:
http://www.ui96.net/photos/bestof_ui96/index.html

[K.Bullstreet]

Celtic have a fairly strong anti-racist support base, especially with TAL and the Green Brigade.

FC United of Manchester...check them out ;)

Oh, and the mighty Hereford United FC of course.:cool:

[Holden Caulfield]

Hereford United FC
fascist scum

[K.Bullstreet]

Hahaha. And who beat Carlisle Holden? ;)

[Melbourne Lefty]

firms that got involved in antifa punch ups recently:
f-side/vak 410 youth section (ajax)
vanda's noord (zwolle)
top oss
fijenoord
ufc (utrecht)
and i'm sure to forget some.

Fijenoord still sing about gassing jews at Ajax games, and Utrecht hooligans were involved in anti-muslim rioting [or so I have heard] a year or so back.

The problem with northern european 'antifa' clubs is that they have the same problems that the right wing fan bases have.

In simple terms these people are not political, they sometimes pretend to be political if it makes them look harder, but thats about the length and bredth of it.

AS Roma is a traditionally far left club, yet the top Roma ultras groups are now fash.

Overall the shallow nature of political commitment amongst football fans is a good thing, since the vast majority of political fan groups, particularly in Spain and Italy are fash or right wing.

Not many liberal uni students in the average football crowd, especially outside north western europe.

On the bright side I hear some of the south american groups are VERY left wing and VERY committed.

does anyone have information on the politics of the Barros Bravas in south america?

[Holden Caulfield]

Hahaha. And who beat Carlisle Holden? ;)
some fascists i cant remember the name:mad:

[Sasha]

Fijenoord still sing about gassing jews at Ajax games, and Utrecht hooligans were involved in anti-muslim rioting [or so I have heard] a year or so back.


never heard about the utrecht stuff, and yeas fyenoord does sing about gassing jews but that has nothing to do with jews like you know it.
jews meand simply people from amsterdam in their vocabular, i'm a real jew but from my accent you cant hear i'm from amsterdam most of the time, yet with my black mate you can. And if we are out of town together he is the person always getting shit for being a fucking "jew".
this doesn't mean that i condone it but its an tragic fact that thanx to the real nazi's there are almost no jews left in the netherlands except some upperclass enclaves in the south of amsterdam, so people dont associate the word jew anymore with a certain religion/culture its just an old very offensive and so effective slur for ppl from amsterdam.
The fyenoord fans base are dickheads for using this language but its has nothing to do with traditional anti-semitism, its just anti-amsterdamism in a very wrong package.

and both the fyenoord and the utrecht fanbase are realy multi-cultural now a days since they are from the big city's.
for the last decade or so the (anti-)racist/fascist strugle isn't anymore between the working class from the industrial citys and the liberal/leftist higly educated people from the student citys (i.e. rotterdam/utrecht/den haag vs amsterdam/nijmegen) like it used to be, a struggle where the idiot missuse of the word jews is an old but now mostly meanigless relic from.
instead its now between the citys (where multi-culturalism is an accepted fact because evrybody grew up with everybody) and the racist rural area's where immigration is sommething new.

[F9]

http://anarchistsoccer.org/
Something interest!:)

Fuserg9:star:

[redSHARP]

west ham united has a strong anti-fa base from what i hear. everyone in my RASH crew supports them for the working class roots. I support fulham...i dont want to talk about it:(.

in the states, Red Bulls has an anti-racist policy, and leftist banners can be seen
my firm has a strong anti-fa base

[Wanted Man]

It's spelled Standard Liege (or Luik).
And yes, the picture was taken in their stadium, it was made by the ultras inferno firm. The atmophere in their stadium is among the best in Europe, they're really the 12th player and as you can see they're firmly against fascism.
Liege is an old industrial city and there's a lot of immigrants, mainly from Italy, and that's one of the reasons for their leftist sentiment.

More fancy pictures:
http://www.ui96.net/photos/bestof_ui96/index.html
Didn't Standard become league champions last season? Great stuff, and awesome pictures.


Fijenoord still sing about gassing jews at Ajax games, and Utrecht hooligans were involved in anti-muslim rioting [or so I have heard] a year or so back.
You'd have to find a source about the Utrecht thing, I've never heard of such a thing before. As for Feyenoord, this is true, but Jews refers to people from Amsterdam, and Ajax fans in particular. RedSHARP, isn't it true that West Ham also have songs against Jews, due to their rivalry with Tottenham? Of course, that also doesn't mean that all West Ham fans are anti-semites.

By the way, the songs about Jews aren't unique to Feyenoord either. A lot of clubs from the other big cities, as well as provincial clubs, really hate Ajax, so those things happen there as well. Of course, that also doesn't mean that people from Rotterdam, Utrecht, The Hague, Eindhoven, Groningen, etc. are all anti-semitic. Ajax fans also sing the song "Bombs on Rotterdam" when they play against Feyenoord, referring to when the nazis bombed Rotterdam in 1940. Doesn't make them nazis, obviously. They also sing "all farmers are gay" to the tune of Seven Nation Army, but of course that also doesn't mean that they actually hate all gays.

I don't condone it, and I would never say things like that, but it's part of a rivalry between supporters, instead of actual anti-semitism. Judge actions, not words. Psycho is right about all the football fans who tend to come out in force when nazi assholes choose their city to demonstrate. Anyway, here are some good links for further information about Ajax, Feyenoord, the war, the Jews, etc. from Ajax USA:

Information on Feyenoord and their rivalry with Ajax (http://www.ajaxusa.com/teams/feyenoord.html)
Ajax, de Joden, Nederland (http://www.ajaxusa.com/history/kuper/), English-language articles by Simon Kuper. The chapter titled "We're hunting the Jews" describes the anti-Jewish chants very critically.

[Sasha]

west ham united has a strong anti-fa base from what i hear. everyone in my RASH crew supports them for the working class roots.

good to hear, espacely since the ICF's (the main hammer firm) involment on some nasty race riots and paki-bashings in the 80's.
my best friend is a old hammer and for me as an cockney reject fan i always liked them also over the rest of the london teams.
are the chelsea headhunters still nazi-piece's of shit? or did that get better with the demise of C18?
i know millwall was bad too in the old days.

man united have a good base too i heard and of course its also important to mention the first interracial firm, the birmingham zulus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Zulus)

[jaffe]

west ham united has a strong anti-fa base from what i hear. No pretty apolitic, but back in the days they have attacked British movement.

[Melbourne Lefty]

They also sing "all farmers are gay" to the tune of Seven Nation Army, but of course that also doesn't mean that they actually hate all gays.


or presumably... all farmers?:lol:

[Fietsketting]

Fijenoord still sing about gassing jews at Ajax games, and Utrecht hooligans were involved in anti-muslim rioting [or so I have heard] a year or so back.




That was due to the death of local wich son had strong ties to the hooligan firm if utrecht, UHF, and whom got shot by a police officer. Riots broke out against the police in wich UHF was well, uhm.. rather present :D

Went on for three days in the evening hours mostly and invoved attack on apolicestation, police car from undercover cops got torched and more like that.

Can't say Utrecht is left, more right but not extreme right. Nazi's can get a good kicking here if they show up.

[Sasha]

That was due to the death of local wich son had strong ties to the hooligan firm if utrecht, UHF, and whom got shot by a police officer. Riots broke out against the police in wich UHF was well, uhm.. rather present :D

yeah, the guy got shot after the police came to a fight between him and a few marrocan kids but that had nothing to do with them being marrocan but with being anoying and harasing the nieghboorhood, at the riots after the shooting the marrocans joined in the fighting with the cops as well. so nothing to do with in anti-islam.


or presumably... all farmers?:lol:

no those we hate, all of them.....

we in amsterdam talk about the great nothing behing the a10 (the highway that circels amsterdam) after that they are all inbred farmers and you need a passport to visit there :laugh:

[Fietsketting]

yeah, the guy got shot after the police came to a fight between him and a few marrocan kids but that had nothing to do with them being marrocan but with being anoying and harasing the nieghboorhood, at the riots after the shooting the marrocans joined in the fighting with the cops as well. so nothing to do with in anti-islam.

*nods*

R.I.P Rinie Mulder.


we in amsterdam talk about the great nothing behing the a10 (the highway that circels amsterdam) after that they are all inbred farmers and you need a passport to visit there :laugh:
:rolleyes:

[Wanted Man]

we in amsterdam talk about the great nothing behing the a10 (the highway that circels amsterdam) after that they are all inbred farmers and you need a passport to visit there :laugh:
:laugh:


*nods*

R.I.P Rinie Mulder.
I actually never heard of this before, so I googled it. All I found was a bunch of neocon blogs (Het Vrije Volk, Brussels Journal, etc.) which claimed that he was harassed by Turks, that he was shot by a Turkish police offer and that the aftermath was an "ethnic riot" where brave aryan workers fought against Turks. :rolleyes:

[jaffe]

it wre turkish guys indeed. I don't know about the police officer but I think that are just rumours.

[1968]

west ham united has a strong anti-fa base from what i hear.

Wouldn't really say this is the case.

However, they've always had a very strong following from skinheads due to the Cockney Rejects connection and their sponsorship with Dr. Martens (1998 - 2003).

Their main hoolie rivals are Milwall who've always had a strong fash element to their mob.

Plus, West Ham's firm was led by a black lad called Cass Pennant. Though never politically progressive (he talks about attacking a CND march during the Falklands war in his autobiography), he's been known to getting stuck into nazi skins. (see here - http://www.casspennant.com/ArticleISavedFrank.html)

[Melbourne Lefty]

Can't say Utrecht is left, more right but not extreme right


During the 'disturbances' wasnt a Morrocan community centre firebombed?

I dunno, you are there on the ground not me.

[Killfacer]

The two british football clubs i support have never exaclty had quality firms or anti-racist ones for that matter. Bristol city were always in the shadow of the Cardiff Soul crew and the swansea Jacks. The first of which was pretty racist.

I think the Zulu's (birmingham i think) were pretty ethincally diverse (the name sais it all) but thats about as anti-fa as british teams get. The inner city firm (westham) have never been anti-racist, if they have i would love to see some info on it.

Arsenal on the other hand are a bunch of whimps. Which is a shame. Although we play nice football.

Should add Cadiz to the list of anti-fa football clubs. if you look at the new thread:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/alerta-antifascist-football-p1307367/index.html#post1307367

Pretty spot on.

[Pogue]

The two british football clubs i support have never exaclty had quality firms or anti-racist ones for that matter. Bristol city were always in the shadow of the Cardiff Soul crew and the swansea Jacks. The first of which was pretty racist.

I think the Zulu's (birmingham i think) were pretty ethincally diverse (the name sais it all) but thats about as anti-fa as british teams get. The inner city firm (westham) have never been anti-racist, if they have i would love to see some info on it.

Arsenal on the other hand are a bunch of whimps. Which is a shame. Although we play nice football.

Should add Cadiz to the list of anti-fa football clubs. if you look at the new thread:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/alerta-antifascist-football-p1307367/index.html#post1307367

Pretty spot on.

How many teams do you support?

[Killfacer]

Bristol City because i have lived in bristol for most of my life. I support Arsenal because i used to live in london, a stones throw away from highbury. Plus everyone needs a premier league team aswell as a lower league team.

I don't support the rest of those teams, in fact i would say i disliked Birmingam City.

[Andropov]

Birmingham Zulus was indeed ethnically diverse, with both Afro-Caribbeans and Irish in it.
Both immigrant communitys in Birmingham received alot of abuse, the Zulus if anything were a reaction to that.

Scotland is an interesting situation.
On the left you have Celtic and Hibs.
Both the CSC and CCS took part in Red Action marchs in the 80s and were always keen to take on the fash.
But this could partly be due to the fact that the likes of Rangers, Hearts, St Mirren, Falkirk etc were very right wing with racist undertones.
Very pro-British and many in the likes of the ICF and CSF were involved in the National Front.
While then in the middle you had Aberdeen.
Very pro-Scottish and nationalistic but yet not racist.
Just they had no time for the Irish immigrant clubs or for the pro-british clubs.

[F9]

old one thread but:
http://antifaultras.blogspot.com/
a great blog with a lot of Antifacists fans!:thumbup1:

[Pogue]

On Chelsea, you don't really see Headhunter presence at matches anymore, nothing open. The Headhunters don't exist anymore its mainly just a bunch of old twats from the days when they were more prominent, you don't notice them thank god, they're just such a small presence. They don't have any banner sor chants, you'd find it hard to find them really.

Chelsea still have a chant alot of people sing which refers to Tottenham as "a load of yids" becaus eof Tottenhams large Jewish fan abse and I have always found such racism disgusting and disturbing in the ground since when I first started going years ago. However in recent years you've noticed noticed more black and asian people in the stands which is good. When I used to go about 7 years ago I once saw a black guy in the stand and I was suprised and pleased that he was there, because I never saw many black people there, but it also made me aware of the fact he was pretty much the only person who was black, which was bad. When I go this year however I see more Asian and black people, which is good. You might occasionaly here some questionable stuff by some stupid fans which is borderline racist or indeed racist, but its not that bad at the Bridge anymore.

[rednordman]

[quote=Killfacer;1307382]I think the Zulu's (birmingham i think) were pretty ethincally diverse (the name sais it all) but thats about as anti-fa as british teams get./[quote] Boo, thats rubbish, the Zulu army isnt anti-fascist at all, just anti-villa. The scummers:lol:. Not that i'm biast to Villa in anyway:D.

[Melbourne Lefty]

West Ham's firm was led by a black lad called Cass Pennant


Yeah he said that he was never a "Nigger" at west ham, he only ever became one in east London after he left the firm.

Or at least thats what he told Danny Dyer!:lol:

[jaffe]

no those we hate, all of them.....

we in amsterdam talk about the great nothing behing the a10 (the highway that circels amsterdam) after that they are all inbred farmers and you need a passport to visit there :laugh:
You should stand on the Utrecht train station (most central station in the Netherlands) when Ajax has their home games. I think the majority of their fans are farmers themselves.

[An archist]

A guy in my class is a Genk-fan, apparently the Genk ultras are quite antifa too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECpyR-sFcM&eurl=http://www.intertet.org/?post_id=230587

[Dosoftei]

Still,we can acuse the fascists of killing but we ca not acuse them of wining in football.It was their right

[17th November]

THYRA 9!! Omonoia rocks at all. I love it.

[F9]

THYRA 9!! Omonoia rocks at all. I love it.

Yeah!:DThats the fucking spirit i am waiting from new members here!!:D

Fuserg9:star:

[StalinFanboy]

St Pauli is so sexy

[Autonome-Antifa]

A guy in my class is a Genk-fan, apparently the Genk ultras are quite antifa too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECpyR-sFcM&eurl=http://www.intertet.org/?post_id=230587

Liege are more Antifa.

[F9]

Liege are more Antifa.

I dont know if they are "more" Antifa, but i know definitely that ULTRA'S INFERNO are Antifa's and plus they have a great stand at the matches with good atmospheres, they are pretty good!!:)I havent heard about the Genk ones, but ULTRA'S INFERNO are well known for their Antifa and Antira philosophy!!

Fuserg9:star: