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KurtFF8
8th November 2008, 20:12
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7716320.stm)


The former French presidential candidate, Segolene Royal, has taken an early lead in the race to become leader of the opposition Socialist Party.

Ms Royal, defeated by Nicolas Sarkozy in last year's election, came first in a ballot of the party's 233,000 members on the programmes of the six hopefuls.

She won 29% of the vote, four points more than Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe and former minister Martine Aubry.

The Socialist Party will meet next week in Reims to try to choose a new leader.

Party members will then formally elect a successor to Secretary General Francois Hollande on 20 November.

On Friday, Ms Royal said she felt the result of the party ballot had given her "legitimacy", but refused to formally declare her candidacy for the party leadership without everyone's support.

"The vote will have to be respected," she told France Inter radio.

Later, Mr Hollande, Ms Royal's ex-partner and a supporter of Mr Delanoe, said he felt she had failed to win a decisive victory.

"It's not a victory which today enables her to have a majority in the Socialist Party. What is more, nobody has a majority in the Socialist Party, and that's where the problem lies," he told RTL.

"If there is no majority before the party conference, or at the latest on the evening of the conference, the Socialist Party faces difficult days," he added.

Correspondents say Ms Royal, 55, has promised to change the profile of a party criticised by many in France as out of touch, and has adopted a tough stance on capitalism during the financial crisis. My initial reaction to this was "oh great, another move towards liberalism by the PS". Not that they aren't already relatively right wing. The only thing that made me feel a little better about it was the fact that the last paragraph claims that Royal has "adopted a tough stance on capitalism during the financial crisis". But I don't feel that's genuine. The PS will be reformist whether Royal wins or not I believe.

Revy
8th November 2008, 20:17
Olivier Besancenot (of the Revolutionary Communist League) has a higher approval rating than Royal does.

ashaman1324
9th November 2008, 05:12
. The PS will be reformist whether Royal wins or not I believe.
any socialist party in any country will be reformist because a revolution wont need to be approved in the beaurocracy.
if the members are more radical than the parties stated aims is a whole other topic, but the parties aims will inevitably be reformist.

Jenska
9th November 2008, 12:44
Mainstream Socialist parties in Western-Europe are nearly clinical dead and have totally lost every sense of today's reality..

KurtFF8
9th November 2008, 17:39
any socialist party in any country will be reformist because a revolution wont need to be approved in the beaurocracy.
if the members are more radical than the parties stated aims is a whole other topic, but the parties aims will inevitably be reformist.

Well most of the existing ones, yes. But socialist parties can play a revolutionary role.

ashaman1324
10th November 2008, 04:02
Well most of the existing ones, yes. But socialist parties can play a revolutionary role.
they could, i agree.
ive yet to see any socialist party do more than reform a system though.

KurtFF8
10th November 2008, 04:11
But until recently...in recent history, Western socialist parties haven't had much opportunity to do so. And many of them had fallen into this "capitalism actually is the end of history" trap. Granted the recent developments of capitalism have probably change their minds about that one real quick. Although most will likely just claim that this confirms their reformist stance.

NerdVincent
10th November 2008, 06:39
Who's living in France here?:P

I can testify: the French socialist party is a center right party. Its program is almost identical with the UMP, only they say they will help bums to find a job and they will be kinder with immigrants. All the socialist party has done in the past 13 years is saying the contrary of what Chirac and Sarko say, even when they started moving to a more "socialist" center right policy on some point. Sad to say, but it is the same with the Parti Communiste Francais, which no longer have power to do anything but being an "opposition party".

The only one who seems to want things to move is Besancenot.

KurtFF8
10th November 2008, 16:09
Sad to say, but it is the same with the Parti Communiste Francais, which no longer have power to do anything but being an "opposition party".

That's what I understand as well. Although there was recently a story (I believe it was posted in the newswire and in the politics section here) about that Marxist tendency gaining some ground.

NerdVincent
10th November 2008, 22:52
That's what I understand as well. Although there was recently a story (I believe it was posted in the newswire and in the politics section here) about that Marxist tendency gaining some ground.

Yes it is the NPA (New Anti-Capitalist Party) led by Olivier Besancenot. He wants deep socialist reform in the short therm, but in a way which doesn't scare the non-communist.

KurtFF8
11th November 2008, 00:06
Are you talking about within the PCF?

NerdVincent
11th November 2008, 04:50
Are you talking about within the PCF?
No, it is a different party, created not long ago, and it had 10% of the vote in the 2007 election, which is a lot for a officially "trotskyist" party.
See New Anticapitalist Party in wikipedia.

KurtFF8
11th November 2008, 18:18
No, it is a different party, created not long ago, and it had 10% of the vote in the 2007 election, which is a lot for a officially "trotskyist" party.
See New Anticapitalist Party in wikipedia.


I'll look into it. I'm usually not a huge fan of "trotskyist" parties, but sounds interesting nonetheless.

cyu
11th November 2008, 18:57
The only thing that made me feel a little better about it was the fact that the last paragraph claims that Royal has "adopted a tough stance on capitalism during the financial crisis". But I don't feel that's genuine. The PS will be reformist whether Royal wins or not I believe.

You're probably right. This news is still interesting though. Thanks.

NerdVincent
11th November 2008, 23:59
I'll look into it. I'm usually not a huge fan of "trotskyist" parties, but sounds interesting nonetheless.
Nor am I, even if it isn't much trotskyist in practice. But what's interesting is the new interest people are giving to communism...