Log in

View Full Version : Gorbachev calls on Obama to carry out 'perestroika' in the U.S.



Drace
8th November 2008, 19:17
Gorbachev makes me laugh.


http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081107/118196981.html



MOSCOW, November 7 (RIA Novosti) - Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has said that the Obama administration in the United States needs far-reaching 'perestroika' reforms to overcome the financial crisis and restore balance in the world.
The term perestroika, meaning restructuring, was used by Gorbachev in the late 1980s to describe a series of reforms that abolished state planning in the Soviet Union.
In an interview with Italy's La Stampa published on Friday, Gorbachev said President-elect Barack Obama needs to fundamentally change the misguided course followed by President George W. Bush over the past eight years.
Gorbachev said that after transforming his country in the late 1980s, he had told the Americans that it was their turn to act, but that Washington, celebrating its Cold War victory, was not interested in "a new model of a society, where politics, economics and morals went hand in hand."
He said the Republicans have failed to realize that the Soviet Union no longer exists, that Europe has changed, and that new powers like China, Brazil and Mexico have emerged as important players on the world stage.
He told the paper that the world is waiting for Obama to act, and that the White House needs to restore trust in cooperation with the United States among the Russians.
"This is a man of our times, he is capable of restarting dialogue, all the more since the circumstances will allow him to get out of a dead-end situation. Barack Obama has not had a very long career, but it is hard to find faults, and he has led an election campaign winning over the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton herself. We can judge from this that this person is capable of engaging in dialogue and understanding current realities."
Former Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, founder of now defunct Yukos oil giant, who is in prison on fraud and tax evasion charges, also used the word perestroika in discussing the future course of the Obama administration.
In an article published in the business daily Vedomosti on Friday, Khodorkovsky said Obama's election win was not merely another change of power in a separate country, but was important for all states.
He said that, "being a liberal himself, he thinks that the world will take a left turn," and that "a global perestroika would be a logical response to the global crisis."
"The paradigm of global development is about to change. The era inaugurated by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago is over."
He said decisions in neoliberal economies had been made mainly by supranational institutions and transnational corporations.
Khodorkovsky predicted: "Globalization will slow to a crawl, but will not stop. The 'golden billion' of the world's richest people will have to abandon hopes of increasing their wealth, but high consumer standards which developed at the end of the 20th century will be unaffected by the change. The striving for political freedom and open competition of personalities and ideas will not disappear."

manic expression
9th November 2008, 06:06
If Gorbachev gets his way, the American perestroika will accomplish precisely what it did in Russia! Sure, there might be dramatic drops in life expectancy, unparalleled increases in homelessness, the complete crash of all public programs and services and the rise of an oligarchy from the ashes of the rest of the population...but Gorbachev might get a few more advertisement deals.

I really do wonder how that pathetic shell of a man sleeps at night.

cyu
10th November 2008, 20:34
there might be dramatic drops in life expectancy, unparalleled increases in homelessness, the complete crash of all public programs and services and the rise of an oligarchy from the ashes of the rest of the population

Nah, I'd say Yeltsin was more responsible for that than Gorbachev. My guess is that Gorbby had his heart in the right place, but either didn't have the brains or the organizational skills to pull it off.

Kwisatz Haderach
10th November 2008, 21:07
:lol: Brilliant advice from the man whose picture should be in the dictionary next to the word "failure."


If Gorbachev gets his way, the American perestroika will accomplish precisely what it did in Russia! Sure, there might be dramatic drops in life expectancy, unparalleled increases in homelessness, the complete crash of all public programs and services and the rise of an oligarchy from the ashes of the rest of the population...but Gorbachev might get a few more advertisement deals.

I really do wonder how that pathetic shell of a man sleeps at night.
^ This.

Gorbachev never had more than a tenuous connection to reality. I suspect he has finally lost the last traces of his sanity in the attempt to protect his fragile mind from facing the true horror of what he has done.

If he had a real spine, he should have put a gun to his head in December 1991. That would have been the only honourable thing to do at that point.

Dr. Rosenpenis
10th November 2008, 21:58
American perestroika: leads to collapse of American empire and subsequent establishment of socialist breakaway states

Dimentio
10th November 2008, 22:41
American perestroika: leads to collapse of American empire and subsequent establishment of socialist breakaway states

More likely Jim Crow-breakaway states in the south.

"Pa' look a n.....r, lets get a rop'"

Dr. Rosenpenis
10th November 2008, 22:55
The same way in which the election of Lincoln was the last straw that provoked the secession of the Confederacy, the election of Obama will lead to the secession of Jesusland

Elway
11th November 2008, 01:43
You guys are a crack up with your break away notions. Entertaining, but come on. McCain won plenty of states across the deep south, but only by 60% or so. 40% of each state ain't gonna sit around and watch the 60% attempt to "leave".

It can't do it anyway, there's no constitutional means to leave the USA.

Schrödinger's Cat
11th November 2008, 02:20
Lincoln effectively created some common sense with his crushing defeat of the secessionists and implementation of the more than friendly Reconstruction program.

What is Gorbachev getting at, anyway? Doesn't he realize he's part of the old, irrelevant Soviet era?

Guerrilla22
11th November 2008, 06:52
Yeah, beecause it worked so well for the USSR. :rolleyes:

Reclaimed Dasein
11th November 2008, 09:40
American perestroika: leads to collapse of American empire and subsequent establishment of socialist breakaway states
This is exactly what I was thinking. Also, Yeltsin was more responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union since... you know... he caused it to collapse.

[/URL][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin#President_of_the_RSFSR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Soviet_Union_%281985%E2%80%931991%2 9#Aftermath_of_the_failed_coup)

bcbm
11th November 2008, 11:01
the election of Obama will lead to the secession of Jesusland

Good riddance.

Hyacinth
11th November 2008, 12:52
When I read the title I had to double to see whether I misread, and check to see whether I was dreaming or not. Reality can sometimes be much stranger than fiction.

Cheung Mo
11th November 2008, 18:27
The only White people in Jesusland worth saving are the citizens of Austin, TX.

Nothing Human Is Alien
11th November 2008, 18:48
It's pretty absurd to see self-described "leftists" writing off a whole section of the working class completely because of the dominance of reactionary ideas where they live.

To quote Lenin, "The task devolving on Communists is to convince the backward elements, to work among them, and not to fence themselves off from them..."

cyu
11th November 2008, 18:52
"The task devolving on Communists is to convince the backward elements, to work among them, and not to fence themselves off from them..."


Good quote.

Dimentio
11th November 2008, 18:56
It's pretty absurd to see self-described "leftists" writing off a whole section of the working class completely because of the dominance of reactionary ideas where they live.

To quote Lenin, "The task devolving on Communists is to convince the backward elements, to work among them, and not to fence themselves off from them..."

"Do as I tell, not as I do"

Ehm... Lenin and the Russian peasantry... *mumble*

Charles Xavier
11th November 2008, 19:00
Gorbachev 18 years after the failed policies, now wants to talk rhetoric and empty headedness with the news media.

Die Neue Zeit
12th November 2008, 05:47
"Do as I tell, not as I do"

Ehm... Lenin and the Russian peasantry... *mumble*

Serpent, most of the Russian peasantry was petit-bourgeois, especially after that decree on land.