Socialist symbol

[Pogue]

Anarchism has the A, Sab cat etc and communism has the hammer and sickle.

What does socialism has as its defining symbol?

[Sankofa]

It would be the Hammer and Sickle still right? Since Socialism leads to Communism.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Red star or flag

[ZeroNowhere]

It would be the Hammer and Sickle still right? Since Socialism leads to Communism.
Or, if we were to use the terms as Marx did, socialism and communism are the same thing.
Anyways, socialism hasn't got much to unify it other than the red flag. Perhaps the red and black flag would work too, though the Blanquists may feel a bit annoyed.

[Pogue]

Ah yes the red star or flag

[GPDP]

I think something like this would work.

I actually have this as my cell phone wallpaper. :D

[Dr Mindbender]

Red flag. This has been the emblem of all socialists, even reformists.

[Honggweilo]

And ofcourse the red rose, for self-proclaimed socialist social-demies

[Wanted Man]

The red flag and the red rose. And, going back further in history, the three arrows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascist_Circle), not exactly a favourite of mine.

[Big Red]

what about the raised fist?say like the one i have as my pic, is that socialist freindly. I agree that the red flag and star are representative of socialist tendacies.

[wigsa]

I always thought it was the red star...

[Pogue]

Those three arrows are cool, but is one of them really anti-communism?

[Sasha]

the debate is on, but some say yes.
they were solid anti-fascists but fought the KPD and its (historic) AFA as much as the fascist.
its the reason i have some difulcity using the symbol myself although a lot of antifa use it.

[revolution inaction]

the debate is on, but some say yes.
they were solid anti-fascists but fought the KPD and its (historic) AFA as much as the fascist.
its the reason i have some difulcity using the symbol myself although a lot of antifa use it.

Wasn't the KDP a social democrat party and not actually communist or am i getting them mixed up?

[Robespierre2.0]

KPD - led by Ernst Thaelmann. Pro-Stalin
SPD - Social democrats.

There were also a bunch of Left-communist breakaway groups from the KPD, but I'm too lazy to look them up.

[Sasha]

not so fast, the KPD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany)came forth out of the anything but "stalinist" Sapartkist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_League) league (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_League)(yes i know this was before stalin even was an prominent political figure, but you get what i mean) it was only after the Spartakist leaders Liebknecht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Liebknecht)and Luxemburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg)where murdered by the social democrates that the "stalinists" seised the opertunity and took over. Wich led to the left-communists breaking away.
Rosa luxemburg was an outspoken criticast of Lenin(ism)

[Wanted Man]

I guess he means that they were pro-Stalin in that specific period. But of course, none of the communist parties started out that way.

[Sasha]

true, but were not even talking decades here, the KPD only exsisted between 1918 and 1933 and then between 1946 and 1956 so it all went kind fast.

[revolution inaction]

KPD - led by Ernst Thaelmann. Pro-Stalin
SPD - Social democrats.

There were also a bunch of Left-communist breakaway groups from the KPD, but I'm too lazy to look them up.



not so fast, the KPD came forth out of the anything but "stalinist" Sapartkist league (yes i know this was before stalin even was an prominent political figure, but you get what i mean) it was only after the Spartakist leaders Liebknecht and Luxemburg where murdered by the social democrates that the "stalinists" seised the opertunity and took over. Wich led to the left-communists breaking away.
Rosa luxemburg was an outspoken criticast of Lenin(ism)

Ah, thanks, I totally got the KDP and the SDP mixed up, although if the KDP became starlinist I don't see a problem in fighting them like the fascists.

[Sasha]

Ah, thanks, I totally got the KDP and the SDP mixed up, although if the KDP became starlinist I don't see a problem in fighting them like the fascists.


well
a.
we now that now, its like with the international brigades in spain, we know now that stalinism is wrong and counter revolutionary but you cant judge the worker rank and file from back then on it.
b.
the SDP was alot worse, given the choice between the nazi's, traitors and murderers of the SDP, some small and indignificant anarchist sects and the KPD who was both huge and staged an allmost sucsesfull revolution a few years before i know at wich crowd i would have trown my lot in.