Discussion on music tastes

[Il-Peres]

Oh no I'm not insulting here in fact she also thinks it was a problem nowadays.

Sorry for being rude but I don't expect communists to like useless commodities. I thought communists were not supposed to believe in the capitalist culture industries, but maybe I'm wrong. Don't tell me rock and roll isn't an industry. I like Led Zeppelin for the only reason that they are talented but even though I am not a communist, I can still make a distinction between music created by the culture industry and music created by artists.

[Led Zeppelin]

Oh no I'm not insulting here in fact she also thinks it was a problem nowadays.

Sorry for being rude but I don't expect communists to like useless commodities. I thought communists were not supposed to believe in the capitalist culture industries, but maybe I'm wrong. Don't tell me rock and roll isn't an industry. I like Led Zeppelin for the only reason that they are talented but even though I am not a communist, I can still make a distinction between music created by the culture industry and music created by artists.

In your opinion that kind of music is "a product of the capitalist culture industry", whatever that's supposed to mean (by the literal definition of it pretty much all artists are part of that "industry").

But again; Tastes differ and there's nothing wrong with that.

You don't have the last say on which music is good and which is bad, it's different for everyone.

Now there's also nothing wrong with pointing out that you consider that music to be shit, but there is something wrong with insulting people for it, and that's all I was saying.

Having said that, in order to stop this thread for derailing I'm going to split this into a new thread and ask you what your favorite artists are and tell you which of them are shit.

So, who are your favorite artists?

[Il-Peres]

I like any art which is genuine but my favourite artists are in Mental Hospitals. Regarding to your point I find it awkward. First of all are you a communist? If you are not a communist who believes in the class struggle than there is no point in discussing this with you. It's quite normal for people to like consumerism, and the capitalist culture which rock and roll forms part of, unlike communists.

[Led Zeppelin]

I like any art which is genuine but my favourite artists are in Mental Hospitals.

What? Name some artists.


Regarding to your point I find it awkward. First of all are you a communist?

Yes, but you're not, so I'm not sure why this is so relevant to you.


If you are not a communist who believes in the class struggle than there is no point in discussing this with you.

Yes because what kind of music you like is something that differs for communists.

Communists only like specially made communist music.


It's quite normal for people to like consumerism, and the capitalist culture which rock and roll forms part of, unlike communists.

Haha, rock forms a part of the capitalist culture, huh?

As I said, most music is somehow tied to the economic system, because we live in capitalism. To judge what kind of music you like based on that is absurd and only extremist socially inept people would do that.

[Pirate Utopian]

Led Zeppelin is tedious music, in my opinion ofcourse.

[Led Zeppelin]

Led Zeppelin is tedious music, in my opinion ofcourse.

You think The Clash is great but Led Zeppelin is tedious music?

That's strange.

Not that I don't like some Clash songs, but compared to Led Zep they're pretty mediocre, in my opinion.

[Leo]

Well, when playing I prefer balkan, caucasian, russian, gypsy and jewish songs generally, I also try to play things by yann tiersen a lot.

[Pirate Utopian]

Yes endless guitarsolo's, vague lyrics about gobblins and 8-minute songs are tedious, in my own personal opinion, what I think, wich shouldnt really step on your toes.

[Led Zeppelin]

Yes endless guitarsolo's, vague lyrics about gobblins and 8-minute songs are tedious, in my own personal opinion, what I think, wich shouldnt really step on your toes.

Erm, there are lots of Led Zeppelin songs that are pretty short, are not about anything mystical, and are not filled with solo's.

And I don't really mind that you don't like it...I mean it's not like I made the music.

[Il-Peres]

I'm not saying that communists should listen only to communist music. I'm saying that several types of music have no artistic quality because are products of the industry. Now all artists use the industry to get the message around, but not all artists are part of capitalism's cultural hegemony. It is neither a matter of taste. It's a matter of production.

Products can be either produced with several conditions which will be fitted directly with the Entertainment Industry so that they can be distributed and sold to the masses. The Music industry depends on the Entertainment Industry. Now the Entertainment Industry will propagate products which will go down smoothly in its pipes, that is it will propagate products which are easy to distribute. For example a band with talent can be called on by the company to make music with several criteria: criteria which includes the repetition of the same sounds compiled with lyrics which generally speak on submission. For example a dance, hit song by a female artist on her love for disco and music is inserting a submissive aesthetic message which limits itself on dancing which is restricted in moves because of the shallow and repetitive sounds. The mind picks up repetition very quickly so that's why it's easy to sell crappy songs. Moreover such songs have deep symbols and character which represent feats of capitalist culture. The Sex Pistols for example were all about fashion and drunken attitude which boils down to consumerism that is capitalist culture.

[Led Zeppelin]

I'm not saying that communists should listen only to communist music.

"Communist music" doesn't exist, I was being sarcastic.


I'm saying that several types of music have no artistic quality because are products of the industry. Now all artists use the industry to get the message around, but not all artists are part of capitalism's cultural hegemony. It is neither a matter of taste. It's a matter of production.

So basically you decide which artist is part of the hegemonic capitalist structure.

Yes, that's a very objective way of looking at it.


Products can be either produced with several conditions which will be fitted directly with the Entertainment Industry so that they can be distributed and sold to the masses. The Music industry depends on the Entertainment Industry. Now the Entertainment Industry will propagate products which will go down smoothly in its pipes, that is it will propagate products which are easy to distribute. For example a band with talent can be called on by the company to make music with several criteria: criteria which includes the repetition of the same sounds compiled with lyrics which generally speak on submission. For example a dance, hit song by a female artist on her love for disco and music is inserting a submissive aesthetic message which limits itself on dancing which is restricted in moves because of the shallow and repetitive sounds. The mind picks up repetition very quickly so that's why it's easy to sell crappy songs. Moreover such songs have deep symbols and character which represent feats of capitalist culture. The Sex Pistols for example were all about fashion and drunken attitude which boils down to consumerism that is capitalist culture.

Great, now please name some artists that you like.

[Il-Peres]

This is not an easy subject so I hope others can fill in their responses. But it is evident in our societies that alienation, apathy and submission to capitalism is inherent in the cultural life of the people which is nowadays marked by commodities.

I won't mention the artists which I like because there are too many but if we compare Jimmy Page's skills with those of Joe Strummer, Strummer will be left looking like a little girl. hehehe

[Junius]

The first thing I do when listening to music is to...listen to music.

Only after will I (possibly) try to find out about the musician's background, and even then it really doesn't change my position on whether it is good music or not.

[Pirate Utopian]

Or Page left like a bloated ****. :closedeyes:

[Il-Peres]

Right now I'm listening to Sinead O Connor - The Lion and The Cobra

But There are too many artists which I like so I won't be making lists. I listen from hip-hop to rock, 'classical' to techno, anything you name it.

I'm interested and like any kind of genuine art.

I think Sex Pistols are the best example to prove what I'm saying especially that this is not subjective thinking. It's making a distinction between audio commodities and art.