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Sand Castle
8th November 2008, 07:26
The point of this video is to obviously address anti-communist lies about Che. I made this after reading Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson, as well as looking at some other sources.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOCsQ8z1Hs

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ihl6--AzM
RedArno
17th November 2008, 16:25
I am not against Che or anything, I'm even a big admirer of him, but often Che-haters tell me this quote is his: "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...".
They can never give me the context in which this quote was said or where he said it, and if I google the phrase I only find very anti-communist sites. Did he really say this?
Led Zeppelin
17th November 2008, 16:31
No offense dude but I hadn't heard of over 90% of those lies that you mentioned, and I've argued about Che with right-wingers a lot.
Sand Castle
18th November 2008, 05:47
No offense dude but I hadn't heard of over 90% of those lies that you mentioned, and I've argued about Che with right-wingers a lot.
I also argued with right wingers a lot. They have many lies. All the lies I discuss come mainly from Humberto Fontova. They're always taking his quotes out of context. Look at the section in the video where I talk about Che, trials, and executions (lie #5, I think). From the evidence I present, it is fair to say that the quote RedArno asked about is either taken out of context or fake.
PostAnarchy
20th November 2008, 17:50
Che was indeed a Stalinist.
Sankofa
20th November 2008, 20:36
You're RedNickD on youtube? LOL I'm totally subscribed to you already.
Dóchas
20th November 2008, 20:45
Che was indeed a Stalinist.

i thought he was marxist?
Pogue
20th November 2008, 22:42
He wasn't a Stalinist. Fidel Castro states he angirly renounced and criticised Stalin later in life, and was more inclined towards the ideas of Trotsky and genuine communism. He was a communist, not a Stalinist. Stalinism is not a form of socialism.
Wakizashi the Bolshevik
21st November 2008, 15:15
Magnificent movie.
Very good, Comrade!
F9
21st November 2008, 16:06
NHiA your last 3 links get to error!

Fuserg9:star:
PostAnarchy
21st November 2008, 20:40
Despite what he may or may not have stated to Fidel Castro I think we should judge him on his deeds and his actions much more so than what he may or may not have said in conversation. The Cuban state which he was instrumental in setting up and later on attaining a powerful position(s) in did not serve as a progressive workers state but a Stalinist model that repressed many fellow leftists, such as anarchists and trotskyists, and in the final analysis did not represent real workers control but bureacratic control by an party that became more and more elitist and detached from everyday workers struggles.
Sand Castle
22nd November 2008, 09:40
Magnificent movie.
Very good, Comrade!
Thank you.
F9
22nd November 2008, 10:41
Sorry.. I fixed it (I think).

Yeah, they are working now!;)
No worries!
Victor
8th December 2008, 23:04
Michael Lowy's book Che Guevara's Marxism makes a convincing case that Che was not a Stalinist (but not a Trotskyist either), he seemed to be a humanistic Marxist-Leninist.
BIG BROTHER
9th December 2008, 02:40
Well, I'm to lazy to give any deep analysis, but basically Che seemed to have Maoist, and Trotskyst influences. He believed that guerrilla warfare could develop a revolution in a country, and at the same time he criticized the Soviet bureaucracy and analyzed that capitalism would return to the Soviet Union.
AidanX
1st April 2011, 19:00
He wasn't a Stalinist. Fidel Castro states he angirly renounced and criticised Stalin later in life, and was more inclined towards the ideas of Trotsky and genuine communism. He was a communist, not a Stalinist. Stalinism is not a form of socialism.

He left a floral at Stalin's grave, supported oppresion of Trots, and Even went as far to say They have have a bad approach.

He was, openly, a Stalinist. Trots who admire che Are hipocritical in that sence.
Agent Ducky
2nd April 2011, 08:26
He left a floral at Stalin's grave, supported oppresion of Trots, and Even went as far to say They have have a bad approach.

He was, openly, a Stalinist. Trots who admire che Are hipocritical in that sence.

I don't think being a Trotskyist and admiring Che is hypocritical. One can appreciate Che's efforts and dedication to his cause without completely agreeing with his political ideology/views. That's how you get so many people who aren't communists admiring Che.
Barry
2nd April 2011, 16:46
In my own readings of Che's works and his biographies he was simply a puritian communist, he critised the Soviet Union alot and caused many diplomatic incidents between the Soviet Union and Cuba. It seems to me that they had no choic but to adopt the Soviet system as it was the only method of survival the Soviets would not have traded with a trotskist state.
His writings are however do show mainly maoist/trotskist leanings, with all his criticism's of the system he cannot be called a Stanilist but had to accept that system. Which also poses the question which is better a Stanilist system or capitalism
El Louton
23rd June 2011, 16:00
I'm 14 so don't expect a piece of beautiful sonnets!!......

When I've read Che's books I have picked up that he is a Marxist, Socialist and Revolutionary not a Stalinist. He wasn't an Authoritarian and certainly didn't believe in 'Socialism in One Country'. I mean come on he tried and sometimes successfully to bring socialist revolutions to more than one country and then didn't wipe out all other socialistic revolutions!