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redguard2009
6th November 2008, 06:19
The issue with the abolition of private property is one of emancipating the "divine right" of a select few in determining the very existence of a certain machine, design, piece of technology, technique, or other abstract or literal object or idea, and their "divine right" to produce, package, distribute and sell that property for their own benefit.

If/when private property is indeed abolished and what we know as property in the economic sense becomes available to all, how will workers of the future deal with competition?

For instance; you have a town with several thousand people. In this town are two shoe-making companies which have been collectivized and operated by workers. Both are vying for the same market; selling shoes to the people of this town. How is this competition reconciled?

In another example, there is only one shoe-making company in this town, but there is a small group of people who'd like to start their own shoe-making operation, for one reason or another; they like making shoes, they see room for improvement in the availability or quality of shoes, or whatever. The already-established shoe-making company has a veritable monopoly on the local shoe-market; local shops are unwilling to curtail their tried-and-tested shoes for some new shoes that are as yet untested commercially. Of course, workers from the already-established shoe-making company see the development of a competitor as a threat to their livelihoods; if the opposing shoe-makers make better shoes and perform better on the market they may find themselves out of the job. How is this reconciled?

I am more a fan of the semi-planned economy; I understand it better than the all-out quagmire of individualism. A planned economy, one organized and overseen by a higher governing authority (which is of course democratic) is capable of designing productive forces around such issues and declaring what is and isn't needed; it is up to a centralized economic body to determine how many shoe-making operations are needed in this town; it would by necessity avoid situations in which bodies of workers would be forced into competition with one another.

Of course I say semi-planned; I also believe that fully planned economies are borderline fascist in terms of an authoritative body determining who does what work (or rather, passively determines this).

One idea is the "voluntary planned economy"; any up-and-coming entreprenuer can approach their local community or municipal governing body and apply to develop some sort of productive operation, which can be approved or denied depending on the decisions of the democratically-elected "economic development committee". Of course this means that not everyone can partake in the "job of their dreams"; I'm sure everybody would love to be a porn star (well, most men?) but if 95% of the male population spent all day having sex (and 95% of the female population degrading themselves) then society would naturally break down. Of course, it's ridiculous to assume that without boundaries, human productive forces would disintigrate under the strain of everyone's selfish individualistic ambitions, but I still favour semi-arbitrary imposement as opposed to unregulated competetiveness.

So are either of these ideas feasible?

1) Individualism; Every man or woman has the right to partake in whatever productive enterprise they see fit, with winners and losers being decided by base competition and marketeering. Economic development is determined almost arbitrarily by basic supply and demand.

2) The Planned Economy; productive forces are atleast somewhat determined by some body or organization which oversees economic development and applies productive forces based on a centralized, "big picture" approach. Economic development is prioritized to meet the assumed needs of society.

Keep in mind that the planned economy approach is preceeded by a truely democratic, socialist society, and not some closed-door private affair; economic matters are discussed, economic officers and members of economic councils and committees are publically accountable. I am not talking about "state capitalism" (a bourgeois governing body assuming control of economic development and management), but "state communism/socialism".

Lynx
7th November 2008, 00:06
It is feasible to the extent that people can pursue their dreams and make contributions to society that are widely recognized as being beneficial. For example, if increased productivity is accepted as a worthy goal, a framework would be developed whereby a) innovation towards increased productivity is rewarded and b) competing firms are re-assigned alternative contracts, are upgraded to the improved standards, or are closed and their workers re-assigned elsewhere. In a socialist economy, unemployment is replaced with job sharing. If increased productivity requires less labour, then workers as a whole should be able to realize a benefit in reduced worktime and/or increased income. Collectively, there should be no losers as with the for-profit system, although this might not be apparent to workers who are told their jobs are ending and they will be re-assigned/retrained.

The above example would likely favour the Planned approach (2). Artistic and related work may well benefit more from the Individualism approach (1).

ckaihatsu
9th November 2008, 00:45
If/when private property is indeed abolished and what we know as property in the economic sense becomes available to all, how will workers of the future deal with competition?


This may not be the best way of formulating the question / situation. It's a very linear, one-to-one construction that you've put forward. Why not depict it as more of a post-capitalist, social-revolutionary civic duty to work at one or more of your top three (five?)(ten?) choices of professions?



For instance; you have a town with several thousand people. In this town are two shoe-making companies which have been collectivized and operated by workers. Both are vying for the same market; selling shoes to the people of this town. How is this competition reconciled?


This is, again, an unfair formulation -- why would a globally post-capitalist society have any restrictions, especially on supply or employment, based on geography? Certainly some locations on the earth would continue to be more remote than others, but I can't imagine *any* location being totally cut off from access to the larger economy. You're creating an arbitrary fishbowl where there really wouldn't be one.



I am more a fan of the semi-planned economy; I understand it better than the all-out quagmire of individualism. A planned economy, one organized and overseen by a higher governing authority (which is of course democratic) is capable of designing productive forces around such issues and declaring what is and isn't needed; it is up to a centralized economic body to determine how many shoe-making operations are needed in this town; it would by necessity avoid situations in which bodies of workers would be forced into competition with one another.

Of course I say semi-planned; I also believe that fully planned economies are borderline fascist in terms of an authoritative body determining who does what work (or rather, passively determines this).


There are times when the rich historical legacy of revolutionary Marxism seems to fetter it and tie it down to material conditions of the past. This is one of those times. Certainly we need the overthrow of capitalist rule, but I think revolutionaries can get squeamish about the whole idea of a solely political economy -- the dreaded "central planning" thing. Certainly there are good historical reasons, namely Stalinism, for this hesitation, but it may help to realize the advantages of the current state of technology that we're living in. I'll immodestly quote myself here, from another thread:



With so much of the logistics taken care of we would barely even need conscious, mass-based (proletarian) planning. For all of the discussion that goes on here at RevLeft and elsewhere about the nature or composition of worker-based planning, I think much of the discussion has already been rendered moot due to existing technology.

Forget Parecon altogether -- once we can rid ourselves of the last remnants of '70s-era cyberphobia, we might realize that the capabilities of our present-day logistics in the Internet-enabled age have far exceeded the very notions of "central planning" or "local planning" -- once again, even despite capitalism's snail-pace of progress, we have, after decades, finally been brought to the ultimate point of customization -- that of the individual consumer.

Coupled with the personalized interface of Internet portals -- (raised earlier in another thread on this board) -- we have all of the logistical ingredients needed for the smooth operation of the economy without interference from private property or its devotees.


Chris




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