THE BBC - A history of propaganda

[peaccenicked]

The BBC is far from neutral and only responds in anything near left wing way if its neutrality is publically thrown into question. Recently about Iraq it complained about Pentagon lies but that did not stop it from spining the war as a war of liberation. Nor did it point to as the only slightly objective bourgeois newspaper as it published Robert Fisk,"The Independent" did -It was the duty of the coalition of killing to stop the looting under the Geneva convention.

Here is examples of the BBC as a champion of imperialism, or criticism of it as such.
http://www.mailgate.org.uk/uk/uk.media.rad...e/msg01227.html (http://www.mailgate.org.uk/uk/uk.media.radio.bbc-world-service/msg01227.html)
http://www.stanford.edu/~hunk/Publish/page4.html

http://lists.stir.ac.uk/archive/media-watc...h/msg00091.html (http://lists.stir.ac.uk/archive/media-watch/msg00091.html)

http://www.iranexpert.com/2002/jomhuriyees...i19december.htm (http://www.iranexpert.com/2002/jomhuriyeeslami19december.htm)



(Edited by peaccenicked at 11:09 am on May 27, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

As I find important material I will post it.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/www.bilderber...g.org/milne.htm (http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/www.bilderberg.org/milne.htm)

[El Che]

I like BBC but not BBC news. You can`t get objectiveness, or shall we say a leftist perspective, in TV news. Some written press still manages to maintain some quality.

Where the BBC deserve my praise in their BBC Learning programs. This is how you do public service TV people, with good open university type programs. Free education or just interesting programs that make a change from all the superficial shit you get everywhere else. The only problem with it is that its only on in the late hours of the night. It should be on during the day so that more working people can have a chance to watch these programs if they wish to do so.

[peaccenicked]

The BBC is a State institution it does play a positive role in public education but that is when it can be neutral.
The BBC for example is liable to tell history by empasising Britain's role and undermining other countries role. In real terms the BBC coverage of international history is by and large racist and neglectful of the realities of British imperialism.
However, there are exceptions and the censor seems to become paralysed by the weight of evidence. These programs tend to get swept under the carpet. Pilgers documentary on Palestine was shunned by the media in general. UK policy on Palestine should be based on it but its reportage is largely of Suicide bombers. There is some coverage of Isreali State Terrorism but it is sanitised as merely a reaction to Palestinian violence.
The reportage is a bloody disgrace.
http://www.honestreports.com/palestinereporting.asp

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 11:33 am on May 27, 2003
The BBC is a State institution it does play a positive role in public education but that is when it can be neutral.
The BBC for example is liable to tell history by empasising Britain's role and undermining other countries role. In real terms the BBC coverage of international history is by and large racist and neglectful of the realities of British imperialism.
However, there are exceptions and the censor seems to become paralysed by the weight of evidence. These programs tend to get swept under the carpet. Pilgers documentary on Palestine was shunned by the media in general. UK policy on Palestine should be based on it but its reportage is largely of Suicide bombers. There is some coverage of Isreali State Terrorism but it is sanitised as merely a reaction to Palestinian violence.
The reportage is a bloody disgrace.
http://www.honestreports.com/palestinereporting.asp

What ever you recon on the BBC it does not alter the fact it is the best TV available, it is miles better than ITV, sky, etc.

I find that the BBC news tries to be central, the reason why you find it bias as you want it to tell you every thing from a left wing perspective, so even central appears to be right wing to you. It also has many articals that you are unlikley to see anywhere else, which is also a bonus.

Also look at the comedy that BBC provides, all the best comedy series are on BBC.

[Guest1]

AK47 seems to forget that we are leftists, to us the truth is left. So how is it a surprise that we expect our information to bare a resemblence to truth?

[peaccenicked]

The BBC and its plaudits claim forever that the BBC is the best TV in the World. It sounds like British nationalist crap to me. After seeing the Eurovision Song contest. After seeing one episode of 'Eastenders'...
It is like most BBC programmes unspeakable rubbish.
If it is the best in the world then the rest of the world must screen even more drivel.
BBC comedies are safe timid travesties of comedies with a few noticeable exceptions, which actually say something and make one laugh at the same time like MASH, SGt Bilko, Frasier.
You say there are centre papers in the UK. What is a centre paper.?
If it becomes between the truth and the Left, I choose the truth.
I dont want any lies but they come mostly from the right and the so called ''unbiased centre''.
A belief in an unbiased media is utter niavete.
The media is a tool of the Capitalist State.
http://home.teleport.com/~jfitz/elements/flash.gif

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 2:15 pm on May 27, 2003
The BBC and its plaudits claim forever that the BBC is the best TV in the World. It sounds like British nationalist crap to me. After seeing the Eurovision Song contest. After seeing one episode of 'Eastenders'...
It is like most BBC programmes unspeakable rubbish.
If it is the best in the world then the rest of the world must screen even more drivel.
BBC comedies are safe timid travesties of comedies with a few noticeable exceptions, which actually say something and make one laugh at the same time like MASH, SGt Bilko, Frasier.



It sounds like British nationalist crap to me.

What a heap of Crap, I hate ITV and they are a British broadcasting cohlition, they produce British TV as well, so by your logic ishould love them to. I like quality not nationalistic pride. However channel 4 does a few good documentarys.

Sounds more like that you have no taste. SGT Bilco dear god that crap, its not even remotly funny, it works on no mental levels, its just slapstick shit.

After seeing the Eurovision Song contest. After seeing one episode of 'Eastenders'...

Yes you deliberatly took crap, well done that just show how you argue by taking the worst possible examples of TV and make out that all BBC is like that.

If your going to do that look at what the opposition produses.

Big Brother
Im a celebraty get me out of here
Pop Idle

That is infinatly worse even that the Eurovision song contest which is shit.

which actually say something and make one laugh at the same time like MASH, SGt Bilko, Frasier.

You list these and call the rest of the BBC's commedy timid, i suggest you actualy watch some first, then youy would see that the stuff you have listed is very timid, compaired to Montey Python or Black Adder or Red Dwarf. What you listed is some of the most inoffensive timid crap to be broadcased, (with the exception of MASH which is great). SGT Bilco... my god.

Apart from MASH that is the most desestable crap that has cursed the BBC comedy department. (with the possible exception of "some mothers do have them".)

They are not nearly as good as comedys such as Have I got News For You, Black Adder, Dad's Army, Yes Minister, They think its all over, Only Fools and Horses, Red Dwarf, Monty Python, The Thin Blue line, Spitting Image, Porridge, Open All Hours, Stepto and Son, Not the Nine O'clock News, The Good Life, the office, The Royal Family and Fawlty Towers. These are but a few commedys which are leauges ahead of your list, in terms of actually making you think, and actual hummer, there are many many more this is just a short list of a few great commedys.

You say there are centre papers in the UK. What is a centre paper.?

I never mentioned a paper i have only commented on the BBC, which is supprisingly enough not a paper.

AK47 seems to forget that we are leftists, to us the truth is left. So how is it a surprise that we expect our information to bare a resemblence to truth?

A left wing opinion does exist that Stalin did not commit any of of the crimes he is accused of, if a newspaper went round saying all that was gospel would that be truthful even though its still left wing. What you suggest is nieve to say the least.

The media is a tool of the Capitalist State.

Then how do you account for left wing news papers then? Or are they simply there to provide an illusion, to fool the workers into submission?

Also when you actually bother to compair the BBC to other news sources you will find that they are very central compair them to the Sun or the Daily Mail etc see the differance.

[El Che]

It`s fair game to attack misinformation and propaganda where you suspect it to exist, moreso in the case of a public broadcaster. The argument is sound and has strength provided that a good, convincing job is done exposing the fallacies. Such critique is sound intervention from the left in 2003.

But of course I think we all understand that the BBC is not, and is not about to become, a subversive force. It is part of a social order, impregnated with the dominating ideas and outlook of the same. So, you attack the social order and its underlying ideas by attacking the BBC but you don`t really believe you can change the reflection of the self without first changing the self.

[Guest1]

AK47, as I said, and as you said, we judge bias based on OUR views, that is obvious. My view is not that stalin was a good man, so I'm not about to consider that truth, but it's not surpirsing that news that is more geared towards my views is what I'm looking for. That being said, I'm not going to ignore anything that isn't to my benefit, so long at it's still given from a leftist perspective. It's like the difference between hearing news about Palestinian terrorism being bad, and Palestinians being evil. Needless to say, I'm more receptive to the first, which is more likely to come from a leftist source.

We have opinions, no need to be ashamed of them. We have formed conclusions about the world, and view the world accordingly, a news source that shares in that liberated opinion, free from the influence of the oppressors, is of course preferable. Calling those sources biased is suicide, pretty much collaberation with the enemy. We're all guilty of it now and then. We'll get nowhere feeling we have to compromise or appologize for our views constantly.

Check out this site for unbiased news with a decidedly leftist slant :biggrin: (haha, get it?):Guerrilla News Network (http://www.gnn.tv)

[Invader Zim]

Im not a member so i cant actualy read any of there articals unfortunatly.

[Anonymous]

The BBCs' too far to the left for me. Personally, I prefer FOX, and maybe a little CNN. Thank god us Americans are allowed the privilege of private brodcasting networks. I'd hate to have to put up with that state controlled euro-crap you brits have.

[RAM]

The BBC are a lot more nuteal that fox which just pumps out american properganda! Actaully this Sunday the BBC are doing a documentry about Al-Jazeera TV! MMM like thy do properganda! I don't think that American sations would do a documnetry about the other sides media and properganda!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 1:45 am on May 28, 2003
The BBCs' too far to the left for me. Personally, I prefer FOX, and maybe a little CNN. Thank god us Americans are allowed the privilege of private brodcasting networks. I'd hate to have to put up with that state controlled euro-crap you brits have.


Actually there is never any pro-euro propaganda or anti-euro. All that they show are political or news programs such as news night where polititians debate it infrount of the camera, which allows the viewer to see all sides of the argument. Very central thing to do.

[RAM]

I always watch newsnight and have for the past few years! Very good news programe!

[RAM]

The BBC were not afraid to be unpatriotic and to tell the truth! They would say these are prelimery reports and they haven't been confirmed etc!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 1:45 am on May 28, 2003
The BBCs' too far to the left for me. Personally, I prefer FOX, and maybe a little CNN. Thank god us Americans are allowed the privilege of private brodcasting networks. I'd hate to have to put up with that state controlled euro-crap you brits have.


In terms of beligrant state propaganda fox is also many times worse than the BBC. We do also have private broad casting. Sky, Cable and channels 3, 4, 5 all either have or are private broad casters.

The other advantage with BBC over other TV is we dont have irritating adverts every 10 mins unlike US TV which has so many adverts its insane.

[Irish Republican]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 11:33 am on May 27, 2003
In real terms the BBC coverage of international history is by and large racist and neglectful of the realities of British imperialism.
The BBC is most defineteley racist, not to mention sectarian: it becomes the official Orange Order channel every July when it broadcasts the annual hate-fest over hear in the north of Ireland, not only that but we're FORCED to pay for this "service". Imagine the uproar if one of the American TV channels broadcasted KKK parades every year or even if the BBC broadcasted NF parades, this type of thing wouldnt be accepted elsewhere in the world...Fuck the BBC :)

[RAM]

The BBC do provide a lot e.g. a choir, educational programming, coverage of national events e.g. royal events, elections quite a lot really!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Irish Republican on 6:00 pm on June 10, 2003

Quote: from peaccenicked on 11:33 am on May 27, 2003
In real terms the BBC coverage of international history is by and large racist and neglectful of the realities of British imperialism.
The BBC is most defineteley racist, not to mention sectarian: it becomes the official Orange Order channel every July when it broadcasts the annual hate-fest over hear in the north of Ireland, not only that but we're FORCED to pay for this "service". Imagine the uproar if one of the American TV channels broadcasted KKK parades every year or even if the BBC broadcasted NF parades, this type of thing wouldnt be accepted elsewhere in the world...Fuck the BBC :)


What the hell are you on about? Racist my ass. Name one program which is rascist on the BBC, I cant even think of a xenophobic program. Stop chatting out your ass, please.

Aas for that stuff about the orange order whats wrong with broadcasting that exactly when they broadcast republican marches as well? I smell the fierce stink of hypocracy.

[RAM]

Whats that smell?

[Irish Republican]

Quote: from AK47 on 8:37 pm on June 10, 2003

Aas for that stuff about the orange order whats wrong with broadcasting that exactly when they broadcast republican marches as well? I smell the fierce stink of hypocracy.

They dont broadcast republican marches you f*cking idiot! Even if they did, there would be nothing wrong with that, republican marches arent SECTARIAN! The Orange Orders reason for existing is to oppose the 'Church of Rome' in every part of life and the BBC help them to promote this every single July. Every time you post you confirm your ignorance.

[RAM]

He is not ignorant at all. He is an expert at history and many issues and the do show the marchs on the news if good or bad things happen and don't take sides in the reporting!

The BBC always try and be impartial and if neccesary unpatriotic!

The American media could never be unpatriotic!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Irish Republican on 9:56 pm on June 10, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 8:37 pm on June 10, 2003

Aas for that stuff about the orange order whats wrong with broadcasting that exactly when they broadcast republican marches as well? I smell the fierce stink of hypocracy.

They dont broadcast republican marches you f*cking idiot! Even if they did, there would be nothing wrong with that, republican marches arent SECTARIAN! The Orange Orders reason for existing is to oppose the 'Church of Rome' in every part of life and the BBC help them to promote this every single July. Every time you post you confirm your ignorance.


I am simply pointing out that you are a hypocrit. The BBC does show the republican marches on the news you imbesile as they show the Orange order marches. This proves that they are impartial, if they were not they would only show the Orange order Marches. However they dont, also if you actually bother to watch the news they also show the opinion of both sides and have interviews with republicans opposed to the marches.

Even if they did, there would be nothing wrong with that, republican marches arent SECTARIAN!

What so its immoral to broadcast the Orange order marches but completely justified to broadcast the republican marches. Hypocrit.

It is you who is bias not the BBC, the only marches from N.I which are broadcast are on the news and both sides marches are shown and niether said to be right or wrong, that is what Impartiality is it is niether condeming or condoning an action of a political opinion. You however in your obvious ignorance cannot see that amd see any even report which does not attack the system as right wing. Your ignorance however is not my problem.

Also answer my question, name a racist program!

(Edited by AK47 at 12:11 am on June 11, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

http://www.indexonline.org/indexindex/2002...0_britain.shtml (http://www.indexonline.org/indexindex/20020730_britain.shtml)

http://www.irdp.co.uk/GIELGUD/valbbc9.htm

http://www.perceptions.couk.com/bbcmalice.html

http://www.thechronicle.demon.co.uk/archiv...ve/mediarac.htm (http://www.thechronicle.demon.co.uk/archive/mediarac.htm)

http://www.outrage.org.uk/bbcbnp.htm

Ak47,you surely would get a job as a comedian on the BBC

[RAM]

Quote: from AK47 on 12:05 am on June 11, 2003

Quote: from Irish Republican on 9:56 pm on June 10, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 8:37 pm on June 10, 2003

Aas for that stuff about the orange order whats wrong with broadcasting that exactly when they broadcast republican marches as well? I smell the fierce stink of hypocracy.

They dont broadcast republican marches you f*cking idiot! Even if they did, there would be nothing wrong with that, republican marches arent SECTARIAN! The Orange Orders reason for existing is to oppose the 'Church of Rome' in every part of life and the BBC help them to promote this every single July. Every time you post you confirm your ignorance.


I am simply pointing out that you are a hypocrit. The BBC does show the republican marches on the news you imbesile as they show the Orange order marches. This proves that they are impartial, if they were not they would only show the Orange order Marches. However they dont, also if you actually bother to watch the news they also show the opinion of both sides and have interviews with republicans opposed to the marches.

Even if they did, there would be nothing wrong with that, republican marches arent SECTARIAN!

What so its immoral to broadcast the Orange order marches but completely justified to broadcast the republican marches. Hypocrit.

It is you who is bias not the BBC, the only marches from N.I which are broadcast are on the news and both sides marches are shown and niether said to be right or wrong, that is what Impartiality is it is niether condeming or condoning an action of a political opinion. You however in your obvious ignorance cannot see that amd see any even report which does not attack the system as right wing. Your ignorance however is not my problem.

Also answer my question, name a racist program!

(Edited by AK47 at 12:11 am on June 11, 2003)


I cannot name a racist program although other channels are impartial as well i.e. ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5. I like channel 4s programs and in the summer channel 4 often give a lot of news time to the marchs and explain the issues behind them and give a balanced view just like the BBC!

Also the BBC feature it on the childresn news program newsround and give a balacned view on the marches as well so they also know that children ned to know about these things as well!

Irish Republican will probally say that I am spouting out BBC properganda though!

(Edited by RAM at 11:30 am on June 11, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

RAM. AK47.
Study the facts, instead of merely repeating the tired old humbug that comes from her majesty's BBC about impartiality and bias.
Read this blogspot.
http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

[peaccenicked]

Study this website before you speak.
http://www.bbcwatch.com/

[RAM]

Err the BBC sometimes have complaints of unfair portrale of people upheld against them and so what if they may be unbiaed some timeas at least that they try and be unbiaed even if they can never achive it in your eyes and I also think that it is sad that these people go to such lengths as to make a website about the BBC. People listen to the BBC wold service around the world and don't like listiining to American proerganda that is biased towards the US. I have heard of people lusting to the world service in caves or where because they know that they can trust it and is your ideal of unbiaed news very hard to reach so it is best that the BBC try and aim towards that even if they never reach it!

(Edited by RAM at 12:00 pm on June 11, 2003)

[RAM]

I am currenly watchig Prime Minister Questions on the "BIAS BBC peaccenicked". They aslo use AP and Reuters for there news sources and have some of the most respected reporters as well e.g. John Simpson who was bombed in the Iraq war and now hates the Americans! He has got bits of shraknel in his leg now from a US bomb!

[peaccenicked]

There is no such thing as unbiased news.
The BBC is biased against workers. It always takes the bosses side. The BBC is biased against Palestine. It paints palestinians exactly the same way that the Isreali news does.
This website is the nearest you will get to an all rounded approach to news.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

[RAM]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 12:11 pm on June 11, 2003
There is no such thing as unbiased news.
The BBC is biased against workers. It always takes the bosses side. The BBC is biased against Palestine. It paints palestinians exactly the same way that the Isreali news does.
This website is the nearest you will get to an all rounded approach to news.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Well then you have disproved your own point so they are biaed so what! as in your eyes they can never not be biased!

[peaccenicked]

There is absolutely no logic here. Ram.
The News is always stained in the beliefs and value sytems of those who write it. This is an unavoidable truth.Objectivity is best obtained by using more than one news source prefferably oppositional sources.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 12:31 pm on June 11, 2003)

[RAM]

People will always interpret the news from the own cultural viewpoing and bring there own bias on the news just like you are now on the BBC news and there apparent bias!

[Invader Zim]

Your site are all equily stupid its unbelieveble

site 1: - It talks about Ann Robinson making a stupid remark about the Welsh: -

"I've never taken to them. What are they for? We can't sing like they can, we can't play rugby like they can, and we can't be clever like they are."

How is that insulting really, all she says are that they are more clever and better singers than the English, and considering that I am Welsh I dont really find that offensive at all.

http://www.indexonline.org/indexindex/2002...0_britain.shtml (http://www.indexonline.org/indexindex/20020730_britain.shtml)

Site 2: - What a laugh did you actually read that site? Its quite amuzing really they have a lot of programs from the 1920-40's where attitiudes were completely different You can hardly call the BBC racist today from remarks made 60 years ago. The rest of them are nearly all factual programs talking about the problems of Racism in this country. Your site is in short stupid.

http://www.irdp.co.uk/GIELGUD/valbbc9.htm

Site 3: - Wow one bad joke was made... The end of the world as we know it. We must brand the entire BBC as racsist from one bad joke which I may add was neither sourced of referanced giving the reader no real idea of the content.

http://www.perceptions.couk.com/bbcmalice.html

Site 4: - That talks about the British midia in general not specifically the BBC. Where it does it says that the BBC should be more selective in what programs it shows. The Ironic thing is really that the 4 black stars who have appeared in this artical as speaking out against the British Media, Lenny Henry in particular works for the BBC and is one of there best comedians.

http://www.thechronicle.demon.co.uk/archiv...ve/mediarac.htm (http://www.thechronicle.demon.co.uk/archive/mediarac.htm)

Site 5: - Yes I did agree that that was bang out of order allowing the BNP to broadcast there filth on the TV until however I read the BBC's reasons. : -

The broadcasters including the BBC propose a threshold for parties to reach in order to qualify for a single broadcast. The threshold for this election is the highest it is possible to set, in that they must field a full slate of candidates on every regional list. In England this means 71, in Scotland 8, in Wales 5. Across the UK as a whole 19 parties have qualified for a broadcast. In England, in addition to the three main parties, 6 minor parties have reached this threshold. They are the Green Party, the Pro Euro Conservative Party, United Kingdom Independence Party, the Natural Law Party, the Socialist Labour Party and the British National Party.

To be fair they could not really let the Socialist Labour Party have air time and not let there Right wing oppersits have air time. I think that highlights the BBC's neutrality. The BNP were also heavily censored I will post the regulations they had to follow bellow. The one I believe to be important to the converation, any way: -

All broadcasts must observe the law - for example, on copyright, libel, contempt, obscenity, incitement to racial hatred or violence.

This means that the BNP could not actualy broadcast any of there filth with out it being edited out.

http://www.outrage.org.uk/bbcbnp.htm

Site 6: - You didnt support the war right? And you dont agree with US aggression? Well if that is the case try actualy reading the site and see what it says. I will post a long extract: -

Kerry Buttram
# What the BBC Thinks of America. In its upcoming series already mentioned here by Toby Blyth, we must surely expect to have enlightenment by the ladleful. Ms. Clare Short has been enlisted by the BBC to raise our moral consciousness with her razor sharp insight into why the world thinks that big bully America is forever up to no good. This is groundbreaking journalism is it not? As she puts it, the stakes are high.

If America continues to throw its weight around and to bully or punish anyone who gets in its way, it will stoke up more and more resentment and hatred across the world.
And furthermore....
The US wants to use the UN to tell everyone else what they must do and is increasingly willing to use its power to bully and punish those who get in its way.
Let's see now, who has America been punishing lately? Would Ms. Short be referring to Saddam, Bashir or Yassir or Little Kim? Who else? Oh yes, maybe she's got Robert or Fidel on her mind (two of the nicest gentlepersons). (OK, Jaques and Gerhard had some time in the woodshed and Dubya was none too pleased with Jean and Vicente, but they were still talking at last report.) The nuclear buddies in the Teheran and Pyongyang 'axis' must feel safer with Clare, herself a prominent victim of American hegemony, sticking up for them. (She wouldn't go as far as to defend their right to keep and bear nuclear arms just because that big bully is after them would she?)

Thats hardly the kind of site you should be using when talking about obvious and blatant Bias is it. Especially as it is attacking the BBC for creating a program which attacks US imperialist aggression. This is starting to look a little bad for your credibility you know.

As for the Belgan artical, it is very complimentary read this: -

Yet the country continues to be perceived as boring, which - if the facts that follow are anything to go by - is deeply unfair.

And this in referance to its Music: -



Belgian pop music reached its apex in 1978 with the release of Plastic Bertrand's 'Ca Plane Pour Moi', which made number eight in the UK charts. Belgium's other band, Front 242, make music which sounds like someone dropping a piano down a laundry chute.

Its not particularly complimentary about 1 band....

The site you posted stated this: -

"A boring country with hideous music, interesting beer and very good tennis players"

As you can see that artical you posted took everything out of context and messed around with the wording to make it xenophobic. I cant believe that you actualy posted such a heap of shit without reaserching it properly.

As you can clearly see it is completely unreliable.

http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

Site 7: - Excuse me but havent you been saying that the BBC is extreamly right wing and bias? In favour of the Isreili's over the Palistinians? Infact you did and a quote from you earlier in the thread: -

There is some coverage of Isreali State Terrorism but it is sanitised as merely a reaction to Palestinian violence.

Then site 7 which you posted says the complete oppersit quote from your site: -

"Our systematic, objective and rigorous research has lead us to the firm conclusion that the BBC frequently displays marked and consistent pro-Palestinian bias."

http://www.bbcwatch.com/

I think that firmly shows that you need to do a little more thinking. Or more realisticly not post in this thread again bvecause your arguments and sources have been destroyed.

[peaccenicked]

You're right I made a mistake on the BBC watch I confused it with another site.
Otherwise.
1)Anne Robison was being a sarcastic racist bastard.
Cant you tell or you such a brown nose for the brits favourite mechanism of deception.

2)The bbc has a history of racism that is my point.

3)Complete crap. What are you talking about?

4)The ironic thing is they paid the black and White minstrels too.

5)There is mixed bag of criticism on that site some it from the right. It is good that you can notice some things.

6)I ll find the proper site

Now AK47. All you have proved is that you blindly swallow everthing the BBC says substantially.
and are prapared to defend the BBC as a model British instititution better than anything in the world.
Your plainly stupid and emotional wrapped in your loyalty to Her majestys telly and british cultural imperialism.It Aint half racist/imperialist war mongering telly
Where are your leftist credentials?

[Moskitto]

Ann Robinson is actually Irish, she was comparing the Welsh to the Irish, not the English. And the commision for racial equality decided what she said wasn't racist anyway.

[RAM]

Ann Robinson is actually Irish, she was comparing the Welsh to the Irish, not the English. And the commision for racial equality decided what she said wasn't racist anyway.

Although some did say that if it was Homosexuals or being racist then the reaction would have been diffrent

(Edited by RAM at 2:06 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

peaccenicked every single one of your sites I have systamatiacly proved to be false.

1)Anne Robison was being a sarcastic racist bastard.
Cant you tell or you such a brown nose for the brits favourite mechanism of deception.


Moskitto has already destoryed that argument of yours.

2)The bbc has a history of racism that is my point.

What the BBC did over 40 - 80 years ago has very little baring on the BBC today. Its like condeming all Germans today for what was done in the war.

3)Complete crap. What are you talking about?

Try reading your own sources and see. I assume you are talking about my referance to source 3 which you posted.

4)The ironic thing is they paid the black and White minstrels too.


I have no idea what your talking about here.

5)There is mixed bag of criticism on that site some it from the right. It is good that you can notice some things.

No all of it is obvious right wing propaganda attacking the BBC because the authors believe it to be to central. Your using such a site shows that you obviousl had'nt read it first or thought that I would not bother to read it.

6)I ll find the proper site

Thats right you find the proper suite and i will rip that to shreds as well.

Now AK47. All you have proved is that you blindly swallow everthing the BBC says substantially.
and are prapared to defend the BBC as a model British instititution better than anything in the world.

No what I have proved is that you have failed to read your own sites, and that they have no credibility.

Your plainly stupid and emotional wrapped in your loyalty to Her majestys telly and british cultural imperialism.

We have already been through this, I will post my origional comment again: -

"What a heap of Crap, I hate ITV and they are a British broadcasting cohlition, they produce British TV as well, so by your logic i should love them to. I like quality not nationalistic pride. However channel 4 does a few good documentarys.


The fact you are resorting to calling me an imperialist proves that you are resprting to petty insults because you have run out of arguments.

I suggest that you stop digging.

[RAM]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:08 pm on June 11, 2003
peaccenicked every single one of your sites I have systamatiacly proved to be false.

1)Anne Robison was being a sarcastic racist bastard.
Cant you tell or you such a brown nose for the brits favourite mechanism of deception.


Moskitto has already destoryed that argument of yours.

2)The bbc has a history of racism that is my point.

What the BBC did over 40 - 80 years ago has very little baring on the BBC today. Its like condeming all Germans today for what was done in the war.

3)Complete crap. What are you talking about?

Try reading your own sources and see. I assume you are talking about my referance to source 3 which you posted.

4)The ironic thing is they paid the black and White minstrels too.


I have no idea what your talking about here.

5)There is mixed bag of criticism on that site some it from the right. It is good that you can notice some things.

No all of it is obvious right wing propaganda attacking the BBC because the authors believe it to be to central. Your using such a site shows that you obviousl had'nt read it first or thought that I would not bother to read it.

6)I ll find the proper site

Thats right you find the proper suite and i will rip that to shreds as well.

Now AK47. All you have proved is that you blindly swallow everthing the BBC says substantially.
and are prapared to defend the BBC as a model British instititution better than anything in the world.

No what I have proved is that you have failed to read your own sites, and that they have no credibility.

Your plainly stupid and emotional wrapped in your loyalty to Her majestys telly and british cultural imperialism.

We have already been through this, I will post my origional comment again: -

"What a heap of Crap, I hate ITV and they are a British broadcasting cohlition, they produce British TV as well, so by your logic i should love them to. I like quality not nationalistic pride. However channel 4 does a few good documentarys.


The fact you are resorting to calling me an imperialist proves that you are resprting to petty insults because you have run out of arguments.

I suggest that you stop digging.

Also is a person working in a shop which sells smokes responsible for killling the smoker I think not!

(Edited by RAM at 2:26 pm on June 11, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

AK47.
The truth is that you are reading for the BBC. You will not listen to anything that undermines your essential British Identity. The BBC is at the heart at this and casting aspersions on other chanels does not wash one single bit.

You will dismiss everything or go into special pleading
.for the BBC because you see it as if it were a member of your family. It is a pitiful way to see things.

THE BBC has a history of misreporting trade union disputes and international affairs. It is a champion of humbug. You are a champion of humbug.

''Islamic worshippers use the Arabic language in same way as some Christian churches use(d) Latin

Selective mockery seems to say - "We'll ridicule a brown man worshipping in Arabic but pretend to respect a white man sermonizing in Latin" ''

You dismiss this as a bad joke. It is a seriously sick joke.
And it shows how warped your mid is if you cant or dont wont to see it.
As for Anne Robinson being Irish so is Terry Wogan but that does 'nt stop him from being a weak minded anglophile.
The BBC is all about making little Englanders feel better about themselves and their lying tradition of fair play.

[Moskitto]

Most media experts and international political commentators say that the mainstream media is Pro-Palestinian.

Also is a person working in a shop which sells smokes responsible for killling the smoker I think not!

please don't let Redstar see this :angry:


(Edited by Moskitto at 2:40 pm on June 11, 2003)

[RAM]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 2:34 pm on June 11, 2003
AK47.
The truth is that you are reading for the BBC. You will not listen to anything that undermines your essential British Identity. The BBC is at the heart at this and casting aspersions on other chanels does not wash one single bit.

You will dismiss everything or go into special pleading
.for the BBC because you see it as if it were a member of your family. It is a pitiful way to see things.

THE BBC has a history of misreporting trade union disputes and international affairs. It is a champion of humbug. You are a champion of humbug.

''Islamic worshippers use the Arabic language in same way as some Christian churches use(d) Latin

Selective mockery seems to say - "We'll ridicule a brown man worshipping in Arabic but pretend to respect a white man sermonizing in Latin" ''

You dismiss this as a bad joke. It is a seriously sick joke.
And it shows how warped your mid is if you cant or dont wont to see it.
As for Anne Robinson being Irish so is Terry Wogan but that does 'nt stop him from being a weak minded anglophile.
The BBC is all about making little Englanders feel better about themselves and their lying tradition of fair play.




Have you ever stopped and loked through the listing to see what programes they do?

Oh and the BBC do pont of view where people can write in and criticise the BBC and some of there programes and this is a BBC made program!!

[RAM]

Quote: from RAM on 2:39 pm on June 11, 2003

Quote: from peaccenicked on 2:34 pm on June 11, 2003
AK47.
The truth is that you are reading for the BBC. You will not listen to anything that undermines your essential British Identity. The BBC is at the heart at this and casting aspersions on other chanels does not wash one single bit.

You will dismiss everything or go into special pleading
.for the BBC because you see it as if it were a member of your family. It is a pitiful way to see things.

THE BBC has a history of misreporting trade union disputes and international affairs. It is a champion of humbug. You are a champion of humbug.

''Islamic worshippers use the Arabic language in same way as some Christian churches use(d) Latin

Selective mockery seems to say - "We'll ridicule a brown man worshipping in Arabic but pretend to respect a white man sermonizing in Latin" ''

You dismiss this as a bad joke. It is a seriously sick joke.
And it shows how warped your mid is if you cant or dont wont to see it.
As for Anne Robinson being Irish so is Terry Wogan but that does 'nt stop him from being a weak minded anglophile.
The BBC is all about making little Englanders feel better about themselves and their lying tradition of fair play.




Have you ever stopped and loked through the listing to see what programes they do?

Oh and the BBC do ponts of view where people can write in and criticise the BBC and some of there programes and this is a BBC made program!!

[RAM]

Quote: from Moskitto on 2:37 pm on June 11, 2003
Most media experts and international political commentators say that the mainstream media is Pro-Palestinian.

Also is a person working in a shop which sells smokes responsible for killling the smoker I think not!

please don't let Redstar see this :angry:


(Edited by Moskitto at 2:40 pm on June 11, 2003)


That was never aimed at redstar2000

[Invader Zim]

As I have said in one of the other BBC threads floating aroung OI, which you created, I accept that the BBC has problems all stations do, there are strict guide lines into the running of TV the BBC is no exception to that rule. However the BBC as I have pointed out provide a far higher standard of program making than any of its competiters, it is also central in its news reporting. Watch FOX or CNN news and see that that is right wing then look at the BBC and note the huge differance and then you will see why the BBC is central or neutral.

[peaccenicked]

THE BBC CNN FOX all tell pentogan lies. There is no difference between one lie and a next. If you say that the BBC are better at lying than Fox more subtle at telling lies, more delicate at ommiting the truth.
Then you are right.

[Invader Zim]

To tell the truth I no-longer care, if you hate the BBC dont watch it, simple as that. If you are to stupid to realise it is one of the most central news providers then thats your problem and not mine.

It is quite interesting to note though how even you resort to petty insults such as the following: -

Your plainly stupid and emotional wrapped in your loyalty to Her majestys telly and british cultural imperialism.

After I systamaticaly proved all your sources incorrect you rsort to petty insults to make up for the lack of argument. I dont think that there is any more to add to this thread.

[RAM]

The BBC used the news source of reuters which in themselves are respected and uring the Iraq war they were very careful to say these are unconfirmed reports etc and produced a high standard even if they were low on footage from other tv networks in Iraq

Well I like the BBC and I am going to continue watching it!

Oh and here is a bbc news story: -

Last Updated: Wednesday, 11 June, 2003, 15:13 GMT 16:13 UK

'Suicide blast' hits Jerusalem bus

The blast came during rush hour
At least nine people have been killed in an explosion on a bus in central Jerusalem, Israeli police have said.
Dozens of people were injured in the blast, reportedly caused by a suicide bomber, on one of the city's main thoroughfares during rush-hour.

The explosion was heard across the city and ambulances raced to the scene.

It comes a day after the Palestinian militant group Hamas vowed to avenge an Israeli missile strike on Tuesday targeting one of its leaders in Gaza.

There has not yet been any claim of responsibility for the attack.

'Horrific scene'

The explosion happened on Jaffa Street, the scene of several such blasts in the past.

One witness told Israel radio: "The bus was torn to shreds. There was a massive blast, it's a horrific scene."

Ofir Alon, who was nearby when the explosion happened, said: "I heard the blast... The I heard people yelling and running in the direction of the explosion, screaming 'attack'".

The BBC's James Reynolds, who is at the scene, says the front part of the bus appeared to have been blown away by the explosion.

He said there is a scene of chaos and police have sealed off the area.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39149000/jpg/_39149320_bus203.jpg

Here is the same story from Reuters: -

11 Jun 2003 16:23 BST



At least 13 killed in Jerusalem bombing

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A suspected suicide bomber has blown up a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 13 people, a day after Israel tried to kill a leader of the militant Islamic group Hamas.
Medical officials said at least 13 people were killed and 65 injured in the early evening blast on Wednesday.

Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at a car near Gaza City shortly after the bombing, Palestinian witnesses said.

A Palestinian witness said a helicopter fired at least one missile at a car which was turned into a mound of smoking rubble. No other details were immediately available.

The bus explosion tore the roof off the vehicle near an open-air market in central Jerusalem's Jaffa Road. Rescue workers who rushed to the scene rushed victims into waiting ambulances.

Witnesses reported seeing bodies in the bus.

People at the scene walked around in a daze. One woman on a stretcher had blood streaming down her face.

Palestinian militants had threatened revenge attacks after the failed attempt on the Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi on Tuesday.

Palestinian cabinet minister Yasser Abed Rabbo told CNN that the attack on Rantissi did not "justify a similar crime in Jerusalem today".

He said extremists, when attacked by Israel, use the chance to "interfere in order to obstruct" peace.

The helicopter missile strike that wounded Rantissi in Gaza drew vows of revenge from Hamas, raising the spectre of a new cycle of bloodshed that could bury a U.S.-backed "road map" aimed at ending 32 months of conflict.

Israel killed one of Rantissi's aides and a woman bystander in the attack. Hamas responded by firing rockets into a town in nearby Israel, prompting a second helicopter strike that killed three more Palestinians -- all civilians.

Israel had earlier defended itself against a rare U.S. rebuke for its attempted killing of Rantissi

U.S. President George W. Bush expressed concern that the assassination attempt could weaken Abbas. "I also don't believe the attacks helped Israeli security," Bush said.

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-06-11T144843Z_01_SMI152700_RTRUKOP_1_PICTURE0.jpg

The same story from CNN: -


Bomb rips through Jerusalem bus
Terror attack causes fatalities, police say
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 Posted: 1521 GMT (11:21 PM HKT)

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- A suicide bomber set off a blast ripping apart a bus killing at least 13 people, Jerusalem police and medics said.

The terror attack, which tore off part of the bus' roof injured more than 60 people, eight of them seriously, rescue officials said.

Israeli police spokesman Gil Kleiman said: "A suicide bomber on the bus blew himself or herself up. We have wounded and dead."

The bomb exploded on Bus 14 as it drove down Jaffa Road, one of the main routes into Jerusalem city center, shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (10:30 a.m. ET).

Ambulances rushed to the scene and victims were taken on stretchers from the blast site.

Israeli helicopter gunships launched an attack in Gaza, witnesses reported less than one hour after the bus blast.

The bomb comes as the cycle of violence between Israelis and Palestinians threatens to derail the U.S.-backed "road map" to peace.

Hopes for the peace process faltered Tuesday after an Israel a helicopter strike aimed at Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantissi, a move which drew criticism from the United States and the Palestinian Authority, and prompted threats of revenge from the militant Islamic group.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was unapologetic Wednesday about the action, telling a Cabinet meeting that "when one talks about terrorism, there are no concessions," according to his office.

Egypt is spearheading attempts to salvage cease-fire negotiations between Palestinian political leaders and militant groups.

Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman was meeting Wednesday with Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan. Arafat has been sidelined from peace talks with Israel and the U.S. but remains a key figure among Palestinians.

It is unclear whether Suleiman will travel to Gaza to meet with leaders of Hamas, which the United States and Israel has labeled as a terrorist organization. Hamas said last week it was pulling out of cease-fire talks with the Palestinian Authority, saying Abbas had given up too much at the summit with Sharon and U.S. President George W. Bush in Aqaba, Jordan.

On Tuesday, Israeli missiles struck a jeep carrying Rantissi in Gaza City. Two people were killed in that strike, Palestinian sources said, but Rantissi survived.

From his hospital bed, Rantissi said: "At Hamas, we will not drop our weapons, even if all leaders are assassinated. We will not drop our weapons. This is the only option for the Palestinian people." (Full story)

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS
June 4: At the summit in Jordan to discuss the Mideast peace process, Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas says the armed intifada must end. Hamas rejects Abbas' call, but Hamas spokesman Mahmoud Zahar says the group would continue to discuss whether to accept a cease-fire with Israel.


June 6: Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantissi says the group is ending talks with Abbas about a possible cease-fire.


June 8: Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claim responsibility for an attack at a military checkpoint in northern Gaza that kills four Israeli soldiers and wounds four others. Ra'anan Gissin, senior adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, says Israel will act if the Palestinian Authority doesn't take steps to rein in terrorist groups.


June 9: Abbas says he will not be drawn into a civil war by using force against radical groups. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh says the group is not opposed in principle to talks with Abbas about a cease-fire.

June 10: An Israeli missile strike in Gaza wounds Rantissi and kills two others. Abbas calls it a "criminal and terrorist" attack that sabotages the political process. Hours later, an Israeli helicopter strikes a car near a group of Palestinians in Gaza firing homemade rockets toward Israel. That strike kills three people, according to witnesses and Palestinian sources.


June 11: Suicide bomber sets off explosion in bus in Jerusalem killing at least 13 people and injuring scores. Within an hour, Israeli helicopter gunships launch attack in Gaza.



Hours later Tuesday, an Israeli Apache struck a car in Gaza that Palestinian militants were using to launch Qassam missiles into Israel, Israeli military sources said. Three Palestinians died in the air attack; at least two of them were bystanders, according to Palestinian sources and witnesses.

President Bush and Abbas both rebuked Israel for the action. Palestinian officials said Sharon is undermining Abbas' efforts to negotiate a cease-fire with militants.

"I am concerned that the attacks will make it more difficult for the Palestinian leadership to fight off terrorist attacks, " Bush said.

Bush added: "I am determined to keep the process on the road to peace. And I believe with responsible leadership by all parties, we can bring peace to the region -- and I emphasize, all parties must behave responsibly to achieve that objective."

Israel defended the operation, saying Rantissi is a key figure in backing terrorist operations and was behind a weekend attack -- a joint operation by militant groups Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- that killed four Israeli soldiers in Gaza.

Senior Israeli security sources said Israel gave intelligence information to the Bush administration regarding Rantissi's direct involvement in terror attacks -- some already executed and others in the pipeline -- in an effort to justify the attack.

The road map plan, supported by the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia, calls for a Palestinian state by 2005, an entity that would live in peace with Israel after a number of steps on both sides.

Among the first steps is a Palestinian effort to end militant attacks on Israeli targets and the Israeli dismantling of "unauthorized outposts" in the West Bank and Gaza.

Abbas and Sharon pledged to carry out those steps at the Aqaba summit, and Israel began dismantling some unoccupied outposts earlier this week.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/06/11/mideast/story.bus.jerusalem.jpg

And from Fox: -

Homicide Bus Bomber Kills 13 in Jerusalem







Wednesday, June 11, 2003

JERUSALEM — A homicide bomber (search) detonated a bomb on a bus in downtown Jerusalem Wednesday afternoon, killing 13 people and wounding scores of others.





"All indications are it was a suicide bomber," Jerusalem (search) police spokesman Gil Kleiman said. "As of now, we have no indication of who did this."

Paramedics and police reported 65 people were wounded, including 15 in serious condition.

Just over an hour later, a loud explosion was heard in Gaza City, and Israel TV reported that Israeli helicopters had fired rockets into the city.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the bus bombing. On Tuesday, however, the Islamic militant group Hamas (search) threatened to take bloody revenge for Israel's botched missile attack on one of its leaders, Abdel Aziz Rantisi (search).

Police said the blast apparently was set off by a homicide attacker who targeted bus No. 14 on Jaffa Street, Jerusalem's main thoroughfare.

The explosion blew out the sides of the red-and-white bus and shattered its windows, revealing the charred inside.

Ambulances went racing toward the scene of the explosion, which was heard throughout the city.

"There was an enormous explosion," a witness, identified only as Danny, told Israel Radio. He said some passengers managed to climb out of the bus after the blast.

Another witness, Ofir Alon, said he was standing on a nearby street corner at the time.

"I heard a blast ... Then I heard people yelling and running in the direction of the explosion, screaming 'attack,"' he said.

Dozens of paramedics treated the wounded on the pavement and rolled them away on stretchers. The attack took place near Mahane Yehuda, Jerusalem's outdoor market, which frequently has been targeted by militants in the past.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/93094/9_2_061103_israel3.jpg

(Edited by RAM at 4:32 pm on June 11, 2003)

[RAM]

Like the BBC are biased and they had a corespondent there!

Oh and look at that a tacky

FOX NEWS ALERT LOGO!!!

The BBC do not need a tacky logo like FOX do!
(Edited by RAM at 4:36 pm on June 11, 2003)


(Edited by RAM at 4:41 pm on June 11, 2003)

[Moskitto]

most media will tell you that the Isreali border guards fired a grenade at the poor innocent child walking past, what they don't tell you is that the grenade was the boys' grenade which he was about to throw at the border guards, not surprisingly, he was shot.

[RAM]

Quote: from Moskitto on 5:04 pm on June 11, 2003
most media will tell you that the Isreali border guards fired a grenade at the poor innocent child walking past, what they don't tell you is that the grenade was the boys' grenade which he was about to throw at the border guards, not surprisingly, he was shot.

That is so true!

[Irish Republican]

Quote: from AK47 on 12:05 am on June 11, 2003

It is you who is bias not the BBC, the only marches from N.I which are broadcast are on the news and both sides marches are shown and niether said to be right or wrong, that is what Impartiality is it is niether condeming or condoning an action of a political opinion. You however in your obvious ignorance cannot see that amd see any even report which does not attack the system as right wing. Your ignorance however is not my problem.

Also answer my question, name a racist program!

(Edited by AK47 at 12:11 am on June 11, 2003)

For fuck sake read my fuckin post this time. Yes, the BBC show republican marches - ON THE NEWS. They show Orange marches LIVE, it is a programme that shows the sectarian and racist Orange parades live every year, the name of the programme is 'The Glorious Twelth'. Impartiality?! Get your facts right!

[peaccenicked]

The BBC is completely biased towards the Loyalist community. It has to be hammered home that the protestant majority was created by British gerry mandering and a British drawn line over Ireland.