Obama's victory - the aftermath.

[Dr Mindbender]

Apparently the stormfront server crashed due to the deluge of angry white racist americans setting up accounts on SF.

Does this mark a new era and growth for american fascism and if so what is the way forward for concerned leftists?

[AAFCE]

Hell yes

I expect a shitstorm for the next 4 years here in my town.

We need to spread more propaganda and stand stronger in the streets then ever. If a kind word wont change their minds, maybe an arse whooping will. Though I suspect larger bonehead groups, so never travel alone especially if you got some form of leftist markings on you.

[GPDP]

That's pretty intense.

I definitely agree that the WN's will become more active in the future due to this. We gotta look out for that.

[rednordman]

Is this for real? mabey all the existing members tried posting at exactly the same time or something? I dont think that its anything for leftists to worry about though, these people will probably think that the phrase 'leftist' is someone who is left handed or something. Seriously though, If this is true, it is very sad.

[AAFCE]

Is this for real? mabey all the existing members tried posting at exactly the same time or something? I dont think that its anything for leftists to worry about though, these people will probably think that the phrase 'leftist' is someone who is left handed or something. Seriously though, If this is true, it is very sad.


Nah, from what I've seen on Stormfront even the most basic and 'unaware' of members know about us Marxist Jews. :lol:


Serious business though.. Srsly.

[rednordman]

Nah, from what I've seen on Stormfront even the most basic and 'unaware' of members know about us Marxist Jews. :lol:


Serious business though.. Srsly.
The largest problem is that they do not know what a real marxist or a jew is... To them a jew is how we would describe a capitalist, and a marxist is a...well, how we would describe a nazi. Seriously, they all believe that the nazi state in germany was some kind of heaven where everyone was free (apart from the 'undesirables'). I'v even spoke to people who actually believe that the nazis where nice to the Norwegiens when they invaded (being it a predominatly white country, like most of europe at the time). Being half Norwegien, and having a grandad who was a resistance fighter, i try telling them different, but still they only believe what they want to believe. Moonbats!

[spartan]

I imagine this "deluge of new SF members" is actually a lie put out by the owner of stormfront due to his bitterness at Obama winning and his desire to claim some sort of good out of it.

[AAFCE]

If its a lie, they have been playing it off very well.

FACT: All Commissars in the USSR were actually Jews. :laugh:

[redSHARP]

well i'll be busy!

[Catbus]

There has been some racist graffiti put up around my school recently. I'm going to assume that it's not a coincidence. Luckily there hasn't been any violence though, I'm hoping it was probably just some disgruntled McCain fans.

[AAFCE]

We had a schoolwide election to see who wanted who for president.

Only 2 people voted for Obama.

My Civics teacher raises hell if you mention the elections now.

People are pissed as hell, but also no violence yet.

[Sankofa]

People are pissed as hell, but also no violence yet.

Ah, the joys of living in the great American South. No violence here, yet, but plenty of vandalism.

A Political Science professor at my uni had his car windows busted out post election day, presumably because of his "Obama '08" message written in large print on his rear windshield.

[Mindtoaster]

There was a race riot at a high school in my hometown on Wednesday.... And a dorm was torched at a nearby university

[AAFCE]

http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=539574


Interesting stuff.

[redSHARP]

fuck! we need to organize and get shit going or we are going to be on the defensive!

[Sankofa]

LMAO! :lol:

That silly, silly master race. I like how they spent practically 3 pages discussing an obvious joke group with the devastating number of 3 people that are members. And their reason for laughing isn't the intended purpose of that group in the first place.

Funny our movement is the one dying despite Communist governments, political parties, and armed guerilla movements exist all over the world, while a Black president has managed to get elected in their own White backyard. Comrades! Can you say "sour grapes"? Stormfront sure can.

I swear, I'm going to go out tonight, get a White baby's mama, give her my mixed baby, and sit on the couch all day unemployed, eating fried chicken, watermelon, and stacking my welfare checks just to spite these in-bred aryan motherfuckers.

HEY! STORMFRONT!

http://blog.blinkenarea.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/.thumbs/.follow.your.leader.jpg

That is all...lulzors! SIEG HIEL *****! :)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I suspect this is one upsurge after this whole "zomg hes black" thing has died down i suspect its only downhill for the fash.

[AAFCE]

That silly, silly master race. I like how they spent practically 3 pages discussing an obvious joke group with the devastating number of 3 people that are members. And their reason for laughing isn't the intended purpose of that group in the first place.



.... Joke group? :crying:

*Takes off cat ears and paws*

[Sankofa]

.... Joke group? :crying:

*Takes off cat ears and paws*

HA! :lol:

[RedScare]

Ha, white trash being white trash. Not much more to say about it.

As for Obama's victory, I haven't seen any racial hatred or anything, but then I live in one of the most blue states in the US. Although all the black people I know are ecstatic.

[rednordman]

Fucking ek, I cannot believe that someone on stormfront actually mentioned my post!!lol I think that i may have ruffled a few feathers with my truth about Norway during the war. You know, it really says something about the world that we live in when people are so isolated and atomised that they can somehow find a place in their conscience to dream up a world where people should be judged and dealt negatively with due to the colour of their skin. Funniest thing is is that they actually believe that we are mentally sick for not agreeing with them. I very much pity them...or mabey the majority of the world population really are mentally ill for not being Nazi?:rolleyes::lol:

[RedScare]

And now they're watching this thread and we're watching theirs. Lovely. It's nothing but a pissing contest at this point. Stormfront, you want to fuck up some commie slime over something said over the internet? Pathetic.

[Dimentio]

Their site got 149 000 members. I think it is worrisome.

Maybe one reason is - internationally - that leftists are a lot more socially accepted in their communities and thus feel less need to register at discussion forums, while nazis and paultards are generally so despised that they are driven into the internets.

[bcbm]

Also keep in mind a lot of those accounts are leftists infiltrating, or people coming to argue in their equivalent of OI. To Stormfront lurker Soldatul_Vostru (http://www.***************/forum/member.php?u=145488):

If you want a home visit, you'll need to provide some details.

[rednordman]

Their site got 149 000 members. I think it is worrisome.

Maybe one reason is - internationally - that leftists are a lot more socially accepted in their communities and thus feel less need to register at discussion forums, while nazis and paultards are generally so despised that they are driven into the internets.
Nope mate, dont worry, i think that you are correct and it says more about their 'pride' in themselves as i bet the main way in which they communicate among themselves is via 'that' fucking website. I mean, you don't meet many people who openly admit they are a racist or a fascist do you? The ones that do tend to get pissed on from many directions.

[bcbm]

Check out this gem:


The fact that they are worried about obama is just proof that they know we are right. If they really believed that Obama was capable of carrying the office of President well, they wouldn't be worried at all. Yeah, its not like we oppose him because he is a bourgeois politician and clearly cannot challenge the system and is therefore our enemy. Its cuz he's black and deep-down we know white nationalist knuckle-draggers are correct.

[Sankofa]

Funny! I got quoted by one of them and got called an N-word!

Little to their knowledge, with my humiliation fetish, any insults aimed at me only serve to make my penis harder and harder.

Dear Stormfronters,

Next time one of you wants to call me a nigger, could you please spit on me first?

Thaaanks! :wub:

[bcbm]

Man this thread just got so much hotter.

[Sankofa]

Man this thread just got so much hotter.

I've already started jerking off.

[bcbm]

I'm looking at interracial porn while reading this thread, I think I've already come 30 times. Now if only that Nazi who said he wished we'd come to his house would get back to us, we could really get this party going.

[GPDP]

I like where this thread is going.

[AAFCE]

Mmm... This is some delicious aborted fetus..

Yeah.. I went there..

[bcbm]

Can we post some hawt pronz here, or wat?

[Melbourne Lefty]

they can somehow find a place in their conscience to dream up a world where people should be judged and dealt negatively with due to the colour of their skin.


Looking at the site most of them would disagree with that. They have more whackos than revleft [yes we have them here, I sure as hell dont post about eating "delicious aborted fetus"] but if you want to try and understand a nazi its pretty simple really.

Throw the Freud out the window and ignore the economic arguments, these are the hard core, no discussion on the relationship between labour and capital would reach them.

It all boils down to how they see the world. We look at history, the world and the people living in it and we see class as either the main or the only way to explain social relationships.

They see race as doing the same thing. A way to explain the world around them. And I hate to say it [please no yelling] but liberals who seem fixated on affirmative action, gender relations and so on whilst completely ignoring class are [partially] to blame.

If you babble on about race constantly and dont foster class consiousness pissed off people of all races are going to start looking for other ways to view the world and make themselves feel good about themselves.

I seriously see so much racism around, and I dont see any class strength and solidarity.

Its a problem, and all the "delicious aborted fetus" talk in the world aint gonna solve it. At least on Revleft we can talk and read about class, but in the real world? How often do you even hear people talk about class compared to race?:(

[Sankofa]

Aborted fetus eating jokes are extremely funny. You just need a sense of humor.

[Bilan]

It's sad how stupid people can be.

[AAFCE]

:(

Was a joke...

[rednordman]

It all boils down to how they see the world. We look at history, the world and the people living in it and we see class as either the main or the only way to explain social relationships.

They see race as doing the same thing. A way to explain the world around them. And I hate to say it [please no yelling] but liberals who seem fixated on affirmative action, gender relations and so on whilst completely ignoring class are [partially] to blame.

If you babble on about race constantly and dont foster class consiousness pissed off people of all races are going to start looking for other ways to view the world and make themselves feel good about themselves.

I seriously see so much racism around, and I dont see any class strength and solidarity.

Its a problem, and all the "delicious aborted fetus" talk in the world aint gonna solve it. At least on Revleft we can talk and read about class, but in the real world? How often do you even hear people talk about class compared to race? I totally agree on all your points, but I will say one thing on people’s perception from my own experience. This is that I mainly hear people critical of immigration (this doesn't always make them racist I will admit). In the last five years I would say that this has become a more and more wide scale and vocal entity across the whole of Europe. This has more to do with sensationalist media than anything else. Sure people are loosing their jobs to immigrants, but the media has a very bad habit of blowing things out of proportion. I can see this in people when they complain about these things. Yes they are right to be pissed of about the lack of security and jobs that has become a sharp sign of the times. Thing is when I tell them that it is mainly British companies that a responsible for bringing them over, they do not have an argument and tend to see the logic in what I have said (even ones who really are racist).
For me they are correct to be pissed off, but they should direct that anger at the correct place (the capitalists) and not the wrong place (race/immigrants). I'm not against immigration but i can see how people get brainlessly reactionary when jobs are at stake.
The true scumbags are the people who have used this crisis of capitalism to try and start some kind of race/religious war (Christians and Muslim extremists in particular). This in itself is proof that though they may try and sound patriotic etc, they don’t give a shit about anybody but themselves. If they did care for the so called 'indigenous' people of Britain they would understand that a persons race or where they have come from has nothing to with the problems of the world as they would understand that we are all victims of the same political and morally bankrupt economic system.
As far as people being more racist than class conscious, well I honestly believe that since the fall of the Soviet Union any Marxist or even centre left arguments have become slowly politically incorrect on a scale with racism. There’s an interesting parallel here as there has been much more people becoming vocally racist (It’s still the loud voices of a minority though). Not to say that the Soviet Union was a good place (or even void of discrimination itself), but people have seemed to have lost hope a little bit and that has definitely given the owness to the far-right to fill the gaps. It’s a bit like people can be openly racist as they like (and may simply get a slap on the wrist and look a twat), but dare they question the authority of their boss or private ownership/business (and they will get totally ostracized and outcast).

[Dimentio]

*Waves to all stormfronters watching this thread*

[RedScare]

http://static.flickr.com/64/226193351_c3a28c62bc.jpg

True, no?

[Melbourne Lefty]

For me they are correct to be pissed off, but they should direct that anger at the correct place (the capitalists) and not the wrong place (race/immigrants).


Then someone better start getting 'class' mentioned as much as race in the public mind.

wont be easy.



As far as people being more racist than class conscious, well I honestly believe that since the fall of the Soviet Union any Marxist or even centre left arguments have become slowly politically incorrect on a scale with racism.


Maybe not as much, but the racists are better at making that political correctness look like the 'oppression' of the elites.

And sadly they are partially right. Big business IS responsible for mass immigration, all capitalism is. This doesnt make most anti-immigration groups any less racist, but it does let them pose as the enemy of big business, and unless you havnt noticed, thats OUR damn job.

The problem is that when someone has just lost their job or had a wage increase denied because the boss is hiring out labour to a firm that uses lower paid non union immigrants.

Whats the answer? How do you get people to think in terms of class again? because if someone doesnt do something about it revolutionary left wing politics is dead, and what might come up in its place is not worth thinking about.

Whats the answer? Cos Obama sure aint it.

[WashingtonBullets]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-shot-times-street-racist-gunman--wearing-Barack-Obama-T-shirt.html


Pretty shocking stuff. Looks as if he'll get away with it aswell.

[Sasha]

^^ if the guy came back that fast with an weapon and a dog he must live realy nearby in the neighoorhood so unless they police are total incompetent fuckups (wich they can be) they should catch him quick enough.
one day circeling the neghboorhood in an unmarked looking for bald headed knuckle-draging morons walking an big dog should get some results.

[rednordman]

And sadly they are partially right. Big business IS responsible for mass immigration, all capitalism is. This doesnt make most anti-immigration groups any less racist, but it does let them pose as the enemy of big business, and unless you havnt noticed, thats OUR damn job.

The problem is that when someone has just lost their job or had a wage increase denied because the boss is hiring out labour to a firm that uses lower paid non union immigrants.

Whats the answer? How do you get people to think in terms of class again? because if someone doesnt do something about it revolutionary left wing politics is dead, and what might come up in its place is not worth thinking about.

Whats the answer? Cos Obama sure aint it.
I think the problem stems from apathy. That’s the impression i get from my work place anyhow. In fact, to be fair, i believe that more and more people at work are actually getting more class conscious but they believe that it is in vain and impossible to change things. In many ways the rise in popularity of the far-right political parties is peculiar because they seem to get away with a lot more in the media, than they would have done, say, ten years ago. It’s almost like this is getting allowed to happen to try and divert the aggression. Sure sensationalism sells, but it does not help things and these so called 'populist' tabloids should know better. But this is the real 'birth-place' of modern anti-immigration. The racism and xenophobia that is coming with it is simply ignorance of people who get wound up by the headlines. If it wasn't for them, a lot of people would probably begin to see the real picture.
Sure Obama is not the answer, but its better to have headlines that state "USAs first black president" (A solid fact) than "immigrants claiming our benefits for nothing" (down to interpretation and definite over exaggeration).

[Melbourne Lefty]

If it wasn't for them, a lot of people would probably begin to see the real picture.


yup, but most of the fascist/racist groups didnt get the support they di by sitting around and waiting for the newspapers to help them, even though the tabloids are anti-immigrant they are also anti-nazi [the word 'immigrant' and 'nazi' both make good headlines].

The racist parties of the far right got where they are today through community outreach. Reaching out to white working class communities that feel themselves forgotten.

When the rev left groups do the same as they seem to approach working people according to their class. How many people on this board have seen outreaches to a community based on the fact that it is an oppressed ethnic minority and not based on class consiousness building?

Personally I think that telling black people in America or Aboriginals in Australia or south asians in the UK to think of themselves soley in terms of an ethnic or religious group and that they should organise to defend themselves on that basis is counterproductive.

If you get all the black kids in the neighbourhood to think of themselves as black first and everything else second then the white kids or the hispanic kids in the area will begin to see themselves in the same way, not as members of a united working class, but as members of an ethnic group with its own interests.

what does everyone else think? Its a little left field but it has always struck me as a faint feeling of wrongness about this issue on the left. People talk about the colour blind working class then go out and teach people to think in terms of colour.

[Sasha]

^^ what we tell people is that they should defend their multi-ethnic socity , that they should refuse to be set against each other and that its importand to fight instututional racism aswell as the lunatic right-wing fringe (and then we sneak in some anti-capitalism for those that are intrested in the undelying causes)
we dont teach people to think in term of colour (the political partys and media are doing a swell job at that), we help them to understand the workings of coloured politics.

but i do think there is nothing wrong with pride without predjuidice, my old neighborhood was a blast during the football championships. everybody proudly displaying the flags from their country of origine but after holland was kicked out the last time, all the dutch whiteys in the block rooted for turkey.

[4th_horseman]

it all seems like a joke until someone decides enough is enough and takes action. what do you guys think is gonna happen when one of these knuckle dragging neo fascist nazi scumbags takes a shot at the new prez? maybe i am just paranoid but i have noticed a serious increase in firearm sales over the last few months.

i live in a part of the country where the word nigger is still used as a term of extreme derision. racism is alive and well in this area and as always, ignorance is the breeding ground for groups like SF to spread their propaganda. groups like theirs will become stronger and spread like wildfire.

whether people admit or not we are sitting on a powderkeg and all it will take is one of these ignorant rednecks to get all liquored up and decide he wants to "take back America". like i said, maybe i am just paranoid.

[rednordman]

yup, but most of the fascist/racist groups didnt get the support they di by sitting around and waiting for the newspapers to help them, even though the tabloids are anti-immigrant they are also anti-nazi [the word 'immigrant' and 'nazi' both make good headlines].


The racist parties of the far right got where they are today through community outreach. Reaching out to white working class communities that feel themselves forgotten.

When the rev left groups do the same as they seem to approach working people according to their class. How many people on this board have seen outreaches to a community based on the fact that it is an oppressed ethnic minority and not based on class consiousness building?

Personally I think that telling black people in America or Aboriginals in Australia or south asians in the UK to think of themselves soley in terms of an ethnic or religious group and that they should organise to defend themselves on that basis is counterproductive.

If you get all the black kids in the neighbourhood to think of themselves as black first and everything else second then the white kids or the hispanic kids in the area will begin to see themselves in the same way, not as members of a united working class, but as members of an ethnic group with its own interests.

what does everyone else think? Its a little left field but it has always struck me as a faint feeling of wrongness about this issue on the left. People talk about the colour blind working class then go out and teach people to think in terms of colour.
To be fair I am beginning to get the impression the main reason for the far rights (mainly BNPs) success of recent times has a lot to do with the rather evident impending collapse of modern liberal democracy. Might sound much but one of the reasons that these initial fringe parties get success is that they are totally contra to the norm of the big three, who have totally alienated themselves from the British public. Like you said they are reaching out to the working classes and making them feel a part of something. Basically, the have become one of the largest protest votes in British history (the lib dems do not count). In this sense I question whether the far right parties have attained their following via their actual policies. I think that they have played on the nationalist prose via posing as patriotic. This is actually in nowadays an old fashioned and traditional value (im not saying that there is anything wrong with being patriotic though). Even though a lot of people (right-wingers mainly) may scoff at this, it is capitalism and the global economy which has made patriotism old fashioned, simply because no nation can be entirely self-sufficient anymore. Anything that one county has (and at one time used to pride itself on) is most likely supplied buy other countries primarily or belongs mainly to a larger spectrum of forces. For example, the British Army though still one of the best on the planet, is more a part of Nato than it is its own entity like it used to be. Also things like food industries in the UK are slowly dieing out now to better and cheaper supplies being imported from abroad.
It is these kinds of thing that has gripped a lot to the British working class into turning towards the far right as they dream of a return to times old, even though in this new 'global' economy it simply is not possible anymore.
What is most shocking though is the synomonous rise of racism that has come with it, especially from people who were never racist before because though I despise the BNP and know that they are without a doubt a vile racist organisation, you do not have to be racist to support them. I suppose that this is more a factor of people getting sucked in by a sense of protest, and then getting repetitively hammered by their (BNPs) both obvious and subtle racist propaganda that they actually begin to believe it. Then one thing simply leads to another.
As for you opinions of how the left have dealt with race in the past, I totally agree with you. All through my life, even as a kid, I always respected people of my class as equals regardless of colour. In fact, I loath it when people mention race. It is as you have virtually said a form of segregation.
All of this affirmative action that has happened in the last 20 years is positive and has served its purpose, but at this point in time, I’m starting to see it as counter productive, as people are people no matter what and shouldn’t be either negatively or positively discriminated against because their appearance and demeanour. I suppose this is where I have become viciously anti-nazi from, as even as a very young child living in a mostly white area of the UK, I always knew that fundamentally we are all equals and that race theory of any kind is absolute bullshit without question. This had a follow on effect to capitalism in later life as a lot of capitalists (not all though) are racist chauvinists, even if they do not see it themselves (this isn’t the only reason I oppose capitalism obviously)
What does puzzle me is how people have played on this segregation, by linking things that are dominated by certain ethnicity as that particular ethnicity. Take for example, hip hop and rap now getting referred to in popular culture as ‘black music’. It is almost as if people believe that these African American hip hop artists have done this because it is natural to them because they are ‘black’ (and that anyone who is of a different ethnicity is trying to be ‘black’) rather than the simple reason that it of socio-economical nature of growing up in a racist society of America during the 50/60/70s.

[Melbourne Lefty]

it is capitalism and the global economy which has made patriotism old fashioned, simply because no nation can be entirely self-sufficient anymore. Anything that one county has (and at one time used to pride itself on) is most likely supplied buy other countries primarily or belongs mainly to a larger spectrum of forces.


I know most on the left like to laugh at the idea that groups like the bnp could have thinkers amongst their ranks, but they do. Those are the dangerous ones.

I remember seeing a youtube vid of Nick Griffin [dont ask for a link] where he was speeling out the BNPs message on the economy.

Its practically autarky, with a dose of decentralisation of the economy for good measure. They somehow think that small farms create more goods than large ones, and that by encouraging this, and the consumtion of products as close as possible to the source, like small towns taking the majority of their food from the surrounding countryside.

They believe that this will make their country more self sufficient and ecologically friendly.

Of course part of the reason that this self sufficiency would be possible is that quite a lot of people would have left Britain very suddenly leaving the place far less crowded...:mad:

Probably not the best to think about.

So in short the euro-nationalism of groups like the BNP seems to be a reaction AGAINST modern capitalism more than anything else. Modern capitalism creates mass immigration and the outsourcing of industry, and mass supermarket chains mean that food is sourced far from where it is consumed creating sustainability issues.

Of course they dont have any real answers to these problems, but that does not mean they wont profit from them.

Its also a mistake to think they dont care about the enviroment and that the emphasis they put on it is for show, remember "blood and soil"? They see the 'race' as being the same as the 'place'.

They may be small in the UK, but this strain is not going to go away, and it targets the very working class areas that many left groups should be out in now.

[rednordman]

Its practically autarky, with a dose of decentralisation of the economy for good measure. They somehow think that small farms create more goods than large ones, and that by encouraging this, and the consumtion of products as close as possible to the source, like small towns taking the majority of their food from the surrounding countryside.

They believe that this will make their country more self sufficient and ecologically friendly.

Of course part of the reason that this self sufficiency would be possible is that quite a lot of people would have left Britain very suddenly leaving the place far less crowded...:mad:

Probably not the best to think about
This is actually something that makes me laugh about the bnp. They seem to send out a message that if they where voted in power, all of a sudden as if by magic...the 'outsiders' will disappear. Infact, i can honestly imagine that they get images in their minds reminisant of that of the Jews in Germany 'obediantly' getting on ships to more 'tolerant' foreign lands during the Nazi times. So much for them not being racists or nazis:lol:. Anyhow, thinkers or not, they dont seem to have much concept of international law or they way in which other countries would respond to such behavior. They talk about self sufficiency like it is very easy to get sucess with, but what about bad harvests etc? If that was to be the case, who says that the UK wouldnt get isolated from the rest of the world? Sanctions, trade embargo etc. I would have to say that it would be an immense double standard for no action to be taken.

[Melbourne Lefty]

They talk about self sufficiency like it is very easy to get sucess with, but what about bad harvests etc? If that was to be the case, who says that the UK wouldnt get isolated from the rest of the world? Sanctions, trade embargo etc. I would have to say that it would be an immense double standard for no action to be taken.


you dont comprehend.

They see themselves as the saviors of their people, economic woes as a result of this salvation dont mean anything.

For us its like looking at Cuba and admitting that while its not a paradise, its sure as hell better than it was when it was practically a US/mafia colony.

They see todays Britain as being the equivilent of Batistas Cuba. ANYTHING that leads to something better [in their eyes] is worth it.

Also I think you are right when you say that the BNP are up there because they are the party that the establishment hates, and thus make a wonderful protest vote for working class people wanting to send a middle finger to the Labor party.

The question of course is why werent we the winners from such a period of disillusionment?:confused:

Why did respect fail in all but muslim areas? Why did the Socialist alliances fail outside of Scotland [and to a lesser extent Wales]?:confused:

WHY! Why would working class people use fascists for their protest votes instead of people who might actually make their lives a little better?:confused: