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KC
5th November 2008, 02:45
Surprised? I hope not. So what's everyone's opinions on this "great victory for change" and what it will mean to workers in general and to us in particular for the next four years?

Who did you vote for and why?

Valeofruin
5th November 2008, 02:50
Surprised? I hope not. So what's everyone's opinions on this "great victory for change" and what it will mean to workers in general and to us in particular for the next four years?

Who did you vote for and why?

I think endorsing Barack Obama was the most ignorant tactic for a communist to adopt.

He'll at best, just delay the inevitable.

chimx
5th November 2008, 02:56
Well, that depends on what he follows through with. If he pushes for job creation domestically with better labor laws like he campaigned for, that will obviously be beneficial to what we have seen over the past decade. Internationally he recent opposition to FTAs, such as the US-Colombia FTA will hopefully have an positive impact on labor rights, although he does have an unclear relationship with NAFTA.

And of course, one of the major points of his campaign was to tax the rich more and give tax breaks to working families. I know I will like having the extra money. But what's interesting I think was the GOP's tactic at calling Obama a socialist. independent voters who had voted Republican in the past are voting for Obama despite the cries from the right of "socialism". While he obviously isn't, its reassuring that most people are moving slowly to the left, and red-baiting isn't an effective tactic. Furthermore, some pundits are predicting that this could be the collapse of the Reaganite Republican model.

And yes, I voted for Obama. On top of liking tax cuts for me, I think it is the best option while we focus on organizing labor to build a labor movement that can actually effectively challenge capitalist parties.

AAFCE
5th November 2008, 02:58
Hmm...

4 minutes until Indecision 08

GPDP
5th November 2008, 03:06
I'm just glad this circus is over.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 03:10
he hasn't won yet, you never know what the republicans can do to steal the election. I voted obama because of his economically socialist tendencies. I think that the rich, especially the ceo for the major corporations should be taxed heavily, and i strongly believe in tax cuts for the working and middle class..
Obama is not a socialist, but he is the closest thing to it in present day american politics, therefore he is a symbol of hope.

chimx
5th November 2008, 03:11
he hasn't won yet, you never know what the republicans can do to steal the election.

Nah man.. it's in the bag. California will go blue which is all he needs.

BobKKKindle$
5th November 2008, 03:12
It was depressing to see everyone get so excited over the election, oblivious to the fact that both candidates are members of the same ruling class and neither will do anything to change the way the American economy is organized. However, from a strategic perspective, Obama's victory is advantageous because he gained his support from people who are hoping that he will implement real changes which will improve the position of working Americans, such that when he fails to achieve meaningful change the resulting disillusionment with the Democrats could drive people to the left.


If he pushes for job creation domestically with better labor laws like he campaigned for

Obama's policies of job creation aim to stop American firms from moving production to the developing world. Socialists examine capitalism on a world scale, so we shouldn't view this as job creation, merely as an attempt to redistribute jobs so that employment remains in one part of the world. This serves to heighten distrust between the workers of different countries rather than fostering a spirit of solidarity.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 03:14
i hope so, i'm just worried bout thoses right wing bastards and their corrupt ways..i won't believe till it's official!

chimx
5th November 2008, 03:22
Obama's policies of job creation aim to stop American firms from moving production to the developing world. Socialists examine capitalism on a world scale, so we shouldn't view this as job creation, merely as an attempt to redistribute jobs so that employment remains in one part of the world. This serves to heighten distrust between the workers of different countries rather than fostering a spirit of solidarity.

This is asinine. Capitalists move jobs overseas to take advantage of poorer labor laws. The Colombia-US FTA was an example of this exploitation. You are advocating imperialism.

Sweetpotos
5th November 2008, 03:25
The next few years will be interesting. The question seems to me to be whether he will be able to be the smiling face and siren's voice which will distract the people while they get plundered yet again - in the tradition of Reagan and Clinton - or has the limit been reached? The economy is about to collapse, and I doubt anything can save us from a major depression. Will the people finally start to organize against the capitalist status quo?

Will Obama be America's Kerensky?

chimx
5th November 2008, 03:36
Will Obama be America's Kerensky?

Well unlike Obama, Kerensky was a socialist, so I doubt that.

AAFCE
5th November 2008, 04:01
So, Obama officially just won.

How unexpected

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 04:03
its really sad to see all those people so happy and cheering, because their billionaire of choice won. :sleep:

chimx
5th November 2008, 04:05
its really sad to see all those people so happy and cheering, because their billionaire of choice won.

Obama is not a billionaire. And many of those people cheering and crying are African American voters who feel that this marks a significant turning point in race relations in the United States.

Incendiarism
5th November 2008, 04:08
I'm glad obama won I was getting a little scared of mccain gaining the upper hand.

lvatt
5th November 2008, 04:09
Not going to change much, IMO.

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 04:10
Obama is not a billionaire. And many of those people cheering and crying are African American voters who feel that this marks a significant turning point in race relations in the United States.
my mistake, its sad to see them cheering for their beloved millionaire. and IMO, this doesn't mean shit for african-americans.

AAFCE
5th November 2008, 04:11
Yay, no more racist white folks.

w00t

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 04:12
Yay, no more racist white folks.

w00t:lol: too bad the majority of the government is made up of racist white folks, not to mention a good portion of the country.

AAFCE
5th November 2008, 04:14
:lol: too bad the majority of the government is made up of racist white folks, not to mention a good portion of the country.

Meant to put No more getting called racist white folks, but I see your point.

Meh

Sankofa
5th November 2008, 04:29
Welly, well, well.

Looks like the United States has their new token. I won't say any more...people in the Commie Club know what happened the last time I gave my opinion on Obama.

Meh, let them enjoy it I say.

redSHARP
5th November 2008, 04:29
i am happy that he won on morale grounds...a black man president. on a political level, shit wont change. i checked *************** to see what the racists think, the server is too busy. i think they all got off their sisters at the same time to ***** on that fucking website!!

KC
5th November 2008, 04:30
Looks like the United States has their new token. I won't say any more...people in the Commie Club know what happened the last time I gave my opinion on Obama.

Yes, we all know how that went.:laugh:

Sweetpotos
5th November 2008, 04:35
Well unlike Obama, Kerensky was a socialist, so I doubt that.

How was Kerensky any more of a "socialist" than Obama?

MAVA
5th November 2008, 04:42
congrats to him

RedHal
5th November 2008, 04:44
yes the right wing will declare this "the end of racism" in America.

so all you anti racist activists need to shut up and quit yer whining /sarcasm

Obama winning is just another black face in high places, same with powel, and rice. They do not represent the majority of african americans who are among the most exploited. They are working for the white corporate elites.

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 04:48
How was Kerensky any more of a "socialist" than Obama?
um, maybe because he was a part of the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, and helped overthrow Tsar Nicholas?

I realize this question is not directed at me, but it's obvious that Kerensky was more of a socialist than Obama, who isn't a socialist.

Red Blue Pen
5th November 2008, 05:05
Yeah, hopefully he'll be able to move us a little bit closer, though.

FreeFocus
5th November 2008, 05:09
If his presidency is successful, the left has been set back by a decade or more. His success will also mean a rejuvenated American imperialism, and one that is a bit more dangerous at that because "formerly" marginalized groups within the US will be more willing to fall into line because they've gotten a "piece of the pie."

This is a defeat for the left, assuming he has a fairly or extremely successful presidency.

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 05:15
Welcome to Bush's Third Term. The following link to the WPA Editorial of last Monday sums this up: http://www.ucpa.us/node/199.

Red Blue Pen
5th November 2008, 05:16
That makes sense. Would it be beneficial to the left, then, if his presidency goes badly, but he does help check outsourcing?

#FF0000
5th November 2008, 05:16
I'm kind of bored of all these lame responses, so I'm going to ignore everyone but Chimx, Freefocus, and CommunistLeague.

Os Cangaceiros
5th November 2008, 05:19
I don't have much to add, except that electoral politics in the U.S. have always resembled something of a secular religion to me, and this year's election brings it stronger to mind than most.

freakazoid
5th November 2008, 05:22
So who wants to put money down on how long until he is assassinated?

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 05:22
I don't have much to add, except that electoral politics in the U.S. have always resembled something of a secular religion to me, and this year's election brings it stronger to mind than most.
Agreed, a very good way to describe US elections. Its dogmatic, and repetitive really.


So who wants to put money down on how long until he is assassinated?
I'll put my money on never. He has the one of the most advanced security organizations on the planet. More people hate Bush than Obama, and Bush wasn't assassinated.

jake williams
5th November 2008, 05:33
It's good Barack Obama won, but there's sort of two ways to look at it. There's the level at which there's, look, there's two candidates who are very very similar but probably meaningfully different in some ways, and it wasn't a remotely close contest because one of them that was basically selected, I don't know how else to call it, by the ruling class and so he won.

There's also the more analytical level at which, you have a certain type of black man elected under specific political and economic conditions, what does that say about the American electorate and what will its complex consequences be. And these questions are pretty difficult to answer. It's going to be a mix of effects though, that's almost certain.


I'll put my money on never. He has the one of the most advanced security organizations on the planet. More people hate Bush than Obama, and Bush wasn't assassinated.
Fucking finally I'm not the only one saying it.


edit: I do feel this is a significant enough event to warrant a little more explanation of what I think. Here are the sorts of effects I can guess at, and that's keeping in mind I am both asleep and very much distracted at the moment, and also, again, it's a set of complex processes. The points FreeFocus makes are probably largely correct. This will reinvigorate American imperialism. It'll probably functionally eliminate the black movement - things that still have to be done. In a similar way it might really harm the left, basically the idea that the left has won and there's no more need. It's absurd but that's where we're at. It'll harm democracy (and the left) by putting more faith in the American electoral system and the Democratic party. If he's perceived as doing really well then that will sedate people and numb a lot of resistance, which might feed back to a more successful and robust imperialism. If he's perceived as not getting what he said he would done - which probably won't happen until at least the runup to the 2010 elections - then that's going to leave a lot of disaffected people, and it's tricky to guess at what the consequences of that will be. But look, it is a positive sign that Americans elected a black man (although I think there's very little sophistication in the analysis of why this happened), and particularly a black man who was believed to be sort of a radical left person. You're not going to see another black president for a long time, and it does not mean that they are suddenly "equal" (though the belief that this has happened will stem the fight for racial equality), but you will see more openness to a number of things, including I would guess more women in politics - shit, you saw that with Palin, but that's another story. If the Democratic party had run two white men, then John McCain would not have picked Sarah Palin, period. She was a consequence of Hillary and Barack, and that means a number of things. So it's very much difficult to say how this all fits into the picture.

Sweetpotos
5th November 2008, 05:35
um, maybe because he was a part of the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, and helped overthrow Tsar Nicholas?

I realize this question is not directed at me, but it's obvious that Kerensky was more of a socialist than Obama, who isn't a socialist.

Since when do Marxists judge people based upon what name they call themselves?

Both Obama and Kerensky support(ed) the continuation of Imperialist wars, and they both support(ed) the capitalist system.

cop an Attitude
5th November 2008, 05:36
people are acting like its the second coming of jesus, give me a break. First of his demographics are so large he will defently not be able to promise everything he says. also he really isnt differtent than any other polotician with his economic polocies and forgien affairs, especially with Iran and Pakastan. He really is just another charaismatic leader running a capitalist empire that he wants to rebuild

Saorsa
5th November 2008, 05:57
He's John F Kennedy with black skin. Great at giving soaring, emotive speeches, and even better at running Capitalism USA Inc and it's imperialist operations.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 05:57
my mistake, its sad to see them cheering for their beloved millionaire. and IMO, this doesn't mean shit for african-americans.


What is wrong with you???? This is a turning point in history, as a socialist you should be happy with the fact that this is one of the biggest steps forward in history against racism! And I think it extremely ignorant of you to say something like that...obama did not come from a rich family, and even if he did, what difference does it make? y is his background important?? like i said before he, is as fair left as it gets in american politics, so y not welcome it as a step forward?? I see obama's victory as hope, hope that maybe humanity isn't destroyed...
What is wrong with his economic policy?? His aim is to tax the rich and give tax breaks to the poor. Is that not what we fight for? Fair distribution of wealth? I'm never though id say this on forum like this, but all of you complaining are extremely close minded, and that is definately not a socialist characteristic.

Hiero
5th November 2008, 05:58
It must mean alot for older African-Americans who can remember segregation and I guess other white people who lived through that era. In one life time you can remember being told where you can and can't go or sit to witnesing and helping get a Black man elected president of that very same country. I imagine the victory for alot of people is more sentimental. I guess you have to let them have that and not be a stuck up leftist all your life.

jake williams
5th November 2008, 06:01
He's John F Kennedy with black skin. Great at giving soaring, emotive speeches, and even better at running Capitalism USA Inc and it's imperialist operations.
I had this thought too, with the relevant reservation that Obama is substantially less likely to start a nuclear war.

R_P_A_S
5th November 2008, 06:04
Ralph Nader was on FOX for 3 minutes. called obama an uncle tom.. they had a field day with the poor guy

Saorsa
5th November 2008, 06:06
I have to admit that as much as I know in my head that Obama will bring more of the same, and will be more dangerous than Bush because he can sell what he's doing better, I was kinda pleased that a black man pulled it off and became president. It does show that America has moved forward at least a little bit in terms of rejecting racism, and that is a good thing for black people over there.

That said, as revolutionary socialists our job is not to tell workers (black or otherwise) "vote for that guy, he'll give you an extra handful of scraps from the master's table". Our job is to tell workers they have to get off their knees, overturn the table, take everything that was on it and seize control of the kitchens. Any other approach does nothing but keep workers horizons low and their consciousness weak.

Now that Obama is President, we have to make sure we're just as hard on him as we were on Bush, because a lot of "leftists" won't be.

Schrödinger's Cat
5th November 2008, 06:06
If his presidency is successful, the left has been set back by a decade or more. His success will also mean a rejuvenated American imperialism, and one that is a bit more dangerous at that because "formerly" marginalized groups within the US will be more willing to fall into line because they've gotten a "piece of the pie."

This is a defeat for the left, assuming he has a fairly or extremely successful presidency.

How? The Communist and Socialist Parties were at their heights during Democratic administrations. We sank like a brick with the conservative 'revolution,' and right-libertarianism became the alternative to mainstream politics.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 06:07
[quote=CommunistLeague;1276847]Welcome to Bush's Third Term. The following link to the WPA Editorial of last Monday sums this up:website/quote]

What are you basing the fact on?? i read the article and all it basically says is that obama will not keep his promises and continue the corporatist rule and create problems for the workers...what makes you so sure???you are attacking without having even given him a chance to do what he said...no sane person can expect the damage the bush administration caused to be cleaned up immediately, it is physically impossibile. You have to wake up to the fact that obama winning is the closest thing to a political/social revolution we will ever see in present day America.

Plagueround
5th November 2008, 06:11
What are you basing the fact on?? i read the article and all it basically says is that obama will not keep his promises and continue the corporatist rule and create problems for the workers...what makes you so sure???you are attacking without having even given him a chance to do what he said...no sane person can expect the damage the bush administration caused to be cleaned up immediately, it is physically impossibile. You have to wake up to the fact that obama winning is the closest thing to a political/social revolution we will ever see in present day America.

You apparently didn't pay very much attention to what the man has actually been saying or doing beyond his "uplifting" speeches. Obama is 100% same old democrat that we've had to deal with for years. If Obama is the revolution...we really have failed.

zimmerwald1915
5th November 2008, 06:14
You apparently didn't pay very much attention to what the man has actually been saying or doing beyond his "uplifting" speeches. Obama is 100% same old democrat that we've had to deal with for years. If Obama is the revolution...we really have failed.
Good news; he ain't.

FreeFocus
5th November 2008, 06:14
How? The Communist and Socialist Parties were at their heights during Democratic administrations. We sank like a brick with the conservative 'revolution,' and right-libertarianism became the alternative to mainstream politics.


What Democratic administrations? FDR, in the midst of the Depression? After WWII, membership plummeted to pathetic levels. Certainly you're not talking about under Carter or Clinton; the left was very weak under Clinton and couldn't even get the guy to give a damn about concerns regarding NAFTA.

Perhaps the sinking, as you put it, has more to do with the failure of the left to articulate its goals and alternatives clearly.

People act when they're pissed off. People usually aren't pissed off when they're complacent because a global leech economy is doing well for them. As Malcolm X argued, people only take action when they're angry.

I'll add more tomorrow, but destroyimperialism, your name surely isn't fitting of you. Perhaps you should choose something more in line with your views, like "reformimperialism" or "reimagineimperialism." Yes We Can!

Saorsa
5th November 2008, 06:20
i read the article and all it basically says is that obama will not keep his promises and continue the corporatist rule and create problems for the workers...what makes you so sure???This.




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Obama favours U.S. troop surge in Afghanistan




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From Thursday's Globe and Mail
October 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM EST

WASHINGTON — Sounding presidential, Senator Barack Obama said Wednesday he would order a surge of U.S. troops – perhaps 15,000 or more – to Afghanistan as soon as he reached the White House.


“We're confronting an urgent crisis in Afghanistan,” Mr. Obama, the Democratic contender and now clear front-runner to replace George W. Bush, said Wednesday.
“It's time to heed the call … for more troops. That's why I'd send at least two or three additional brigades to Afghanistan,” he said in his most hawkish promise to date.
A U.S. army brigade includes about 5,000 soldiers along with tanks, armoured personnel carriers and helicopter gunships.


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Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama waves as he is introduced Wednesday during a campaign event at Ida Lee Park in Leesburg, Virginia. (Getty Images)



Seeking to deflect attacks that he is dangerously inexperienced in foreign policy, Mr. Obama huddled with a high-profile panel of experts before a news conference aimed at showcasing his command of global affairs.


“The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 are still at large and plotting,” he said, echoing Mr. Bush's oft-repeated refrain.


But he was quick to blame Mr. Bush for miring the United States in a pointless war and wrecking its reputation abroad.


“We must be vigilant in preventing future attacks, he said. “We're fighting two wars abroad [and] we're facing a range of 21st-century threats from terrorism to nuclear proliferation to our dependence on foreign oil, which have grown more daunting because of the failed policies of the last eight years.”


Mr. Obama, speaking in Virginia, a once-solidly Republican state that now could swing Democratic, warned that his rival, John McCain, a decorated former naval officer and combat pilot who endured years of torture as a prisoner of war, would lead America into more danger if he becomes president.


“Senator McCain has supported the key decisions and core approaches of President Bush. As president, he would continue the policies that have put our economy into crisis and, I believe, endangered our national security.”


As the deepening economic crisis has all but eclipsed other issues in the final few weeks of the campaign, Mr. McCain has repeatedly tried to shift the debate and portray Mr. Obama as unready to cope with foreign challenges.


Earlier this week Joe Biden, the Democrat vice-presidential candidate, predicted that unspecified foreign adversaries would attempt to challenge an inexperienced young president, just as the Cuban Missile Crisis tested president John F. Kennedy in 1962, but claimed Mr. Obama would rise to the occasion.


That assurance prompted a new jibe from Mr. McCain: “I know how close we came to a nuclear war and I will not be a president that needs to be tested. I have been tested, Senator Obama has not.”


Mr. Obama, at 47, is nearly a quarter-century younger than Mr. McCain and was a toddler in Hawaii during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


While Republicans paint Mr. Obama as dangerously naive, the first-term senator from Illinois has shot back by saying Mr. McCain is just wrong-headed


“We can't afford another president who ignores the fundamentals of our economy while running up record deficits to fight a war without end in Iraq,” Mr. Obama said Wednesday.



For a guy with a name like "destroy imperialism", you sure seem fond of a guy who's all for imperialism!

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 06:21
This is a turning point in history, as a socialist you should be happy with the fact that this is one of the biggest steps forward in history against racism!
A turning point in history, maybe. But its insignificant, because just because Obama is black, doesn't mean racism will cease as you think. In fact, i could see his presidency that can fuel even more racism, have you seen any videos of McCain rallies? If not, take a look.



And I think it extremely ignorant of you to say something like that...obama did not come from a rich family, and even if he did, what difference does it make? y is his background important??I never said anything about his background, so why put words in my mouth?



like i said before he, is as fair left as it gets in american politics, so y not welcome it as a step forward?? I see obama's victory as hope, hope that maybe humanity isn't destroyed...That's simply incorrect, there were three socialist parties running for president this election, and Nader is more left than Obama, as well as the Greens. As for having "hope" that Obama's presidency means humanity isnt destroyed.... yeah its still the same system, different figurehead, not much is going to change.


What is wrong with his economic policy?? His aim is to tax the rich and give tax breaks to the poor. Is that not what we fight for? Fair distribution of wealth?Are you fucking kidding me? He is a capitalist, plain and simple, thats whats wrong with his economic policy. His tax cuts for the poor are populist tactics, and he will continue corporatism. We do not fight for the so called "fair redistribution of wealth" that you say Obama will bring, because the fact of the matter is, there will still be a ruling class, and a working class. Theres nothing fair about that.

I'm never though id say this on forum like this, but all of you complaining are extremely close minded, and that is definately not a socialist characteristic.:lol: Im close minded because i oppose bourgeois politicans who act to exploit me and you?

edit: why is your name 'destroyimperialism' when you endorse an imperialist?

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 06:25
Since when do Marxists judge people based upon what name they call themselves?

Both Obama and Kerensky support(ed) the continuation of Imperialist wars, and they both support(ed) the capitalist system.
While that maybe true, he was a leader in the liberal-socialist opposition to the Tsar, and participated in the February Revolution. That in itself, makes him more socialist than Obama. (who, again, is not, and never claimed to be a socialist) The closest thing Obama has ever done to advocating socialism is working with Bill Ayers, and thats pretty much means nothing.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 06:29
I'll add more tomorrow, but destroyimperialism, your name surely isn't fitting of you. Perhaps you should choose something more in line with your views, like "reformimperialism" or "reimagineimperialism." Yes We Can!

Fuck you, the concept i'm trying to put across is really not a hard one to understand, you seem quite intelligent yet you fail to grasp a simple concept. I never said Obama is god he will save us etc., i'll put it differently then..would you have preffered McCain??? Obviously we don't have real, competitive representation for socialism, so all i'm saying is im happy he won over McCain because his policies seem to favour the working class, if he turns out to be like all the others, then i'll be the first to criticize him, but it's nice to have hope once in a while..I'm half american half italian, i live in Italy now and i can honestly say i'm surrounded by racism and an inexplicable resurgance of neo fascists and i honestly feel like we are a huge minority in the world, therefore i c our chances of a revolution as being very bleak... so sue me if i consider an afro american man becoming president of the united states a small victory. That does not in anyway make me a supporter of imprialism you fucking prick.

Die Neue Zeit
5th November 2008, 06:32
Well, that depends on what he follows through with. If he pushes for job creation domestically with better labor laws like he campaigned for, that will obviously be beneficial to what we have seen over the past decade. Internationally he recent opposition to FTAs, such as the US-Colombia FTA will hopefully have an positive impact on labor rights, although he does have an unclear relationship with NAFTA.

I wonder how Obama can pass the EFCA with a Republican filibuster. :confused:

[Or does he push this through and sweeten it with some unrelated "centrist" bone on the side, say the repeal of the "marriage penalty" or an inflationary adjustment to the alternative minimum tax?]

Saorsa
5th November 2008, 06:38
Fuck you, the concept i'm trying to put across is really not a hard one to understand, you seem quite intelligent yet you fail to grasp a simple concept.

The fact that you resorted to swearing when faced with a criticism of your politics means that you don't seem intelligent to me at all.


I never said Obama is god he will save us etc., i'll put it differently then..would you have preffered McCain???

I would prefer a socialist revolution. In the end, I don't give a shit which bourgeois candidate gets to manage American capitalism and American imperialism for the next four years. The concrete differences between them are minute, and Obama is actually far more dangerous because he'll be better at selling his imperialist policies than McCain would have.


Obviously we don't have real, competitive representation for socialism

And if we keep endorsing capitalist candidates and capitalist parties, we never will.


so all i'm saying is im happy he won over McCain because his policies seem to favour the working class, if he turns out to be like all the others, then i'll be the first to criticize him, but it's nice to have hope once in a while..

Get ready to be disappointed mate. I take my hope from things like the unbfolding revolution in Nepal, rather than which pro-capitalist candidate wins the US elections. Your horizons are pretty low.


I'm half american half italian, i live in Italy now and i can honestly say i'm surrounded by racism and an inexplicable resurgance of neo fascists and i honestly feel like we are a huge minority in the world, therefore i c our chances of a revolution as being very bleak

Nepal. Venezuela. People's War in India and the Philippines. Sales of Das Kapital skyrocketing. The communist movement is on the up and up, you don't need to support Obama to feel good about yourself.


so sue me if i consider an afro american man becoming president of the united states a small victory. That does not in anyway make me a supporter of imprialism you fucking prick.

We can see it as a small victory against racism, there's nothing wrong with that. But to get all hyped up about how great Obama is, how he's the closest to socialist we'll ever get in the US, how his government will be great for working-class people... That's criminal stupidity. And shame on leftists more onto it than this guy who still are will to endorse Obama - all you do is mislead the working class.

Sweetpotos
5th November 2008, 06:39
I love that Obama is sending 15,000 troops (!) to fight an enemy which pretty much only exists in imagination. "Sounding presidential" indeed.

I find it hard to believe that the ruling class actually thinks Bin-Laden (who is probably dead anyway) is a threat, so what are their real motives for this shift to Afghanistan? There is no oil in Afghanistan to my knowledge, would they really give up Iraq for Afghanistan? Geopolitically its only significance might be a strategic country to encircle Russia and project power into central Asia with, also maybe as a way to keep Pakistan in check. Anybody else know what further importance Afghanistan has for American Imperialism?

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 06:43
Anybody else know what further importance Afghanistan has for American Imperialism?
To exploit Afghan workers for the benefit of American corporations of course, or maybe the American ruling class simply feels like going on a killing spree like they did, and are still doing in Iraq.

deLarge
5th November 2008, 06:55
its really sad to see all those people so happy and cheering, because their billionaire of choice won. :sleep:

He was actually just barely bordering on a millionaire in 2006, no where close to a billionaire. He may not be working class, but at least he isn't as rich as many of the other candidates.

bcbm
5th November 2008, 06:56
Anybody else know what further importance Afghanistan has for American Imperialism?It is a source of natural gas, as well as a significant transport route of oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea, with a proposed pipeline in the works since the 90's. It also helps the US position in relation to Russia, as they've been making huge inroads into southeast Asian former Soviet Republics.


or maybe the American ruling class simply feels like going on a killing spree like they did, and are still doing in Iraq.

This is an unrealistic and simplistic view of how imperialism works in today's world. There are very few ruling classes who engage in billion dollar operations for shits and giggles.

destroyimperialism
5th November 2008, 06:58
A turning point in history, maybe. But its insignificant, because just because Obama is black, doesn't mean racism will cease as you think. In fact, i could see his presidency that can fuel even more racism, have you seen any videos of McCain rallies? If not, take a look.


I never said anything about his background, so why put words in my mouth?


That's simply incorrect, there were three socialist parties running for president this election, and Nader is more left than Obama, as well as the Greens. As for having "hope" that Obama's presidency means humanity isnt destroyed.... yeah its still the same system, different figurehead, not much is going to change.

Are you fucking kidding me? He is a capitalist, plain and simple, thats whats wrong with his economic policy. His tax cuts for the poor are populist tactics, and he will continue corporatism. We do not fight for the so called "fair redistribution of wealth" that you say Obama will bring, because the fact of the matter is, there will still be a ruling class, and a working class. Theres nothing fair about that.
:lol: Im close minded because i oppose bourgeois politicans who act to exploit me and you?

edit: why is your name 'destroyimperialism' when you endorse an imperialist?
WOW you guys just love assuming what i support...I'm not running around jumping and screaming cuz obama won..i'm just sayin i'm glad it wasn't McCain..and you guys are really jaded if you actually believe that there will ever be an AMERICAN politician with the power to influence a country who does not believe in capitalism and imperialism..I never said that him being elected would end racism, u love making mountains out of molehills!all i said was it is a step forward!how is it not??and obvioulsy his economic policy is not ideal but i prefer it to McCains, fuck is that so hard to understand???Y the fuck would i be writing on this site if i supported capitalism and imperialism????Nader is more left but nader unfortunately doesnt count for shit. So let me make this clear, i am not an avid obama supporter, I am a socialist, and as a socialist i find it conforting that a black man became president for the first time in American history today, and that his economic policies SEEM to not b made to exploit the workers...you could be right, he could turn out to be the same old capitalist..but we don't know yet, we don't know if the capitalist/imperialist notions he put forward were just to gain more votes, or if the left wing tendencies he put forward, were put forward for the same reason...i believe in universal healthcare, like im sure you do, and i also believe in tax breaks for the poor and raised taxes for the rich, again like you probably..obviously i believe in a complete abolition of the ruling class, but how can you not see that if he does follow through its a start???it may not be an incredibly significant one but at least its a start..so y not try and be a little bit hopeful for once instead of always complaining..all im saying is wait and see maybe he might follow through, and if he does i will be happy to see free healthcare in the united states. And please stop throwing ignorant insults around like calling me an imperialist, i am not, far from it.

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 07:01
This is an unrealistic and simplistic view of how imperialism works in today's world. There are very few ruling classes who engage in billion dollar operations for shits and giggles.
ugh, sarcasm doesn't work on the internet i guess.


He was actually just barely bordering on a millionaire in 2006, no where close to a billionaire. He may not be working class, but at least he isn't as rich as many of the other candidates.
thanks for repeating what someone else already said, and i already acknowledged that he wasn't a billionaire.

freakazoid
5th November 2008, 07:05
I'll put my money on never. He has the one of the most advanced security organizations on the planet. More people hate Bush than Obama, and Bush wasn't assassinated.

Yeah, but the people who hated Bush didn't hate him for racist reasons.


Sales of Das Kapital skyrocketing.

Really? Sweet, :)


http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20081022/wcampaign_speech23/1022obama3643.jpg

lol, Swish. :D

Plagueround
5th November 2008, 07:05
.so y not try and be a little bit hopeful for once instead of always complaining..all im saying is wait and see maybe he might follow through, and if he does i will be happy to see free healthcare in the united states.

Barack Obama has never once advocated free healthcare. This likely confirms that you did not pay attention to what he actually advocates.

chimx
5th November 2008, 07:07
@ CL:


Welcome to Bush's Third Term.

This really is asinine. I can understand why people wouldn't vote for a Democrat, but to say that there are no qualitative differences between the two capitalist parties is a very ignorant thing to say. He has opposed the KORUS FTA, and the COLUS FTA, both of which were very problematic for the workers movement internationally, and both of which were being pushed for the the Bush/McCain camp. The whole crux of your argument is that he won't follow through with a single piece of his liberally progressive agenda which is not based in reality at all.

@ Sweetpotos

You should read more about Kerensky's political record. He was a member of the SR/Trudoviks, which was a Russian socialist labor party. They supported aggressive socialist agrarian reform and he was very active in the overthrow of the Czar.

@ Jacob

Time will tell I suppose.

@ freefocus


If his presidency is successful, the left has been set back by a decade or more. His success will also mean a rejuvenated American imperialism, and one that is a bit more dangerous at that because "formerly" marginalized groups within the US will be more willing to fall into line because they've gotten a "piece of the pie."

If his presidency is successful, you will see the dismantlement of the Reagan-ite GOP and the sway of the Christian Right. How in the world would this set the US back a decade, to the middle of the Bush years?

As for imperialism, your analysis lacks depth of evidence. Are you basing it on a hunch or something? Honestly, a lot of people here have the most conspiratorial and nonsensical political analysis I've ever seen. Bourgeois superstructure is not a homogenous entity but has qualitative differences from institution to institution. Acknowledge them and take advantage of them.

Ivhouse
5th November 2008, 07:07
I voted McCain because Barry didn't have enough self respect to tell us who he really is. He is a coward.

#FF0000
5th November 2008, 07:10
I voted McCain because Barry didn't have enough self respect to tell us who he really is. He is a coward.

what

Ivhouse
5th November 2008, 07:17
If he is so pro-socialist as all his partners who brought him to the forfront then why didn't he run on those ethos? COWARD!

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 07:19
Just a suggestion, could you please separate your writing, that way its much easier for the reader.

WOW you guys just love assuming what i support...I'm not running around jumping and screaming cuz obama won..i'm just sayin i'm glad it wasn't McCain..
Well you sure did seem supportive of him. If you don't then why defend him at all? We are well aware that Obama has promised to bring more favorable conditions for American workers than McCain would.


and you guys are really jaded if you actually believe that there will ever be an AMERICAN politician with the power to influence a country who does not believe in capitalism and imperialism..Where did anyone imply that an American president would oppose capitalism and imperialism?

I never said that him being elected would end racism, u love making mountains out of molehills!all i said was it is a step forward!how is it not??It is not a step forward because the color of the president's skin, doesn't change what he does.

and obvioulsy his economic policy is not ideal but i prefer it to McCains, fuck is that so hard to understand???Y the fuck would i be writing on this site if i supported capitalism and imperialism????Again, just because he's better than McCain doesn't mean we cant staunchly criticize him.


Nader is more left but nader unfortunately doesnt count for shit.Believe it or not, that small percentage of votes he receives counts for a lot of people. So i wouldn't call it shit.

So let me make this clear, i am not an avid obama supporter, I am a socialist, and as a socialist i find it conforting that a black man became president for the first time in American history today, and that his economic policies SEEM to not b made to exploit the workers...Well im glad you find capitalists comforting just because of their skin color. :rolleyes:


i believe in universal healthcare, like im sure you do, and i also believe in tax breaks for the poor and raised taxes for the rich, again like you probably..obviously i believe in a complete abolition of the ruling class, but how can you not see that if he does follow through its a start???Him "following through" wont be a start for revolutionary activity in the US because his policies are aimed to satisfy the workers, and steer them away from developing class consciousness.


it may not be an incredibly significant one but at least its a start..so y not try and be a little bit hopeful for once instead of always complaining..all im saying is wait and see maybe he might follow through, and if he does i will be happy to see free healthcare in the united states. And please stop throwing ignorant insults around like calling me an imperialist, i am not, far from it.I have no interest in placing hope in a politician whos overall goal is to serve the interests of the ruling class, plain and simple. What else do i have left to do but to criticze, im not going to kiss his ass, and accept that "this is a start".


Yeah, but the people who hated Bush didn't hate him for racist reasons.
Actually, im sure there are plenty of African-Americans who would assassinate him for racial reasons.

chimx
5th November 2008, 07:23
If he is so pro-socialist as all his partners who brought him to the forfront then why didn't he run on those ethos? COWARD!

If you read what we are saying, you'll see that we are arguing he is not a socialist. There is no basis for him to be called a socialist. The Democratic party is a party that defends the existence of capitalism and seeks to perpetuate the exploitation of workers.

chimx
5th November 2008, 07:28
It is not a step forward because the color of the president's skin, doesn't change what he does.

This is ideological self enucleation. You are denying the qualitative differences between a society that had lynched and segregated black men and women a few decades ago, and now elects a black man to lead the country? It is hugely important for racial relations. Here's a shot of jesse jackson crying when obama was announced president:

fpmCbAKdTUY

The Something
5th November 2008, 07:30
I like so many other was very moved by the fact that a black man was able to be elected in a country with so much subtle and overt racism in our culture.

Also like many others I have allways known that his being elected will only sustain the idea that america fundamentally(economically, culturally) works and works well. Which is a sad sad realization. :\

I am slowly becoming jaded with the left in america. This seems to be one of the final nails in the coffin, so to speak, for any real change or uprising in the left. A very sad day this is while also being history making.

Cheers.

chimx
5th November 2008, 07:35
I like so many other was very moved by the fact that a black man was able to be elected in a country with so much subtle and overt racism in our culture.

Also like many others I have allways known that his being elected will only sustain the idea that america fundamentally(economically, culturally) works and works well. Which is a sad sad realization. :\

I am slowly becoming jaded with the left in america. This seems to be one of the final nails in the coffin, so to speak, for any real change or uprising in the left. A very sad day this is while also being history making.

Cheers.

I keep hearing this and I find it confusing. A lot of people here seem to think that the only way a labor movement forms is through catastrophe. People have said they are excited about the stock market crash, that they were hoping for McCain/Bush, etc. That's not how you build a labor movement. While I appreciate the importance of spontaneity in any movement, we also need to build a foundation piece by piece, one step at a time.

spice756
5th November 2008, 07:35
This is turning point in the US that Obama got big majority vote:lol: And a black person in government.After all in the 60's was the civil rights movement.Blacks at the back of the bus or have to sit at a table for blacks only.Or blacks have to use side door or cannot go to school for white kids only , so on.

And the fact Obama is talking about free heath care and redistribution of wealth.And tax the day light out the rich and businesses.

Making jobs in the US and haping the poor .More critical of free market.


But he is pro-war and pro-imperialism more than Bush .He wants talk with Iran but did not rule out military action.He wants to send more troops to Afghanistan.And wants to send troops to Pakistan do to the problem the US and Pakistan are having.Where there may be war with Pakistan .

He is more strick with Canada and Mexico to protect US interest.Well basically his foreign policy are Pro-US.

He wants to rewrite NAFTA to be pro-US.

Keep in mind clinton sent more troops and was more pro-war tha Bush.

Ivhouse
5th November 2008, 07:38
Obama is half white. racism shouldn't be a factor.

JimmyJazz
5th November 2008, 07:53
Surprised? I hope not. So what's everyone's opinions on this "great victory for change" and what it will mean to workers in general and to us in particular for the next four years?

I am glad he won. I'm only really starting to get active as a revolutionary, but this will be a much better environment to do it in than a McCain/Palin-led USA would have been. Psychologically if in no other way.

I don't have any illusions that he's especially progressive; he's simply another Democrat like all the others.


Who did you vote for and why?

McKinney/Clemente, because no socialist party could be arsed to get itself on the ballot in California.

I considered abstaining but thought of how valuable it was to me, at one time, to be able to point to Nader's millions of voters in 2000 and realize that I was not alone in being a disgruntled leftist.

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 07:53
This is ideological self enucleation. You are denying the qualitative differences between a society that had lynched and segregated black men and women a few decades ago, and now elects a black man to lead the country? It is hugely important for racial relations. Here's a shot of jesse jackson crying when obama was announced president:

I still think its pointless to admire a black president solely because hes black. Obama represents the interests of the ruling class, not the general black population, this shouldn't be news to you. The lives of African-American workers (or workers of other races) wont change significantly, like Obama has them all hyped up on, so why care!? No body was cheering for Condeleeza Rice, or Collin Powel.

chimx
5th November 2008, 07:57
Collin Powel

Actually many people were excited about Powell back in the 90s when rumors were circulating about a possible run for the White House. Of course it is important because it is telling of the changing race relations in the US. The idea that a huge amount of white voters were more than happy to elect a black guy would be laughed at 40 years ago.

mykittyhasaboner
5th November 2008, 08:01
Actually many people were excited about Powell back in the 90s when rumors were circulating about a possible run for the White House. Of course it is important because it is telling of the changing race relations in the US. The idea that a huge amount of white voters were more than happy to elect a black guy would be laughed at 40 years ago.
Ok well i didn't know that, i was too young for politics in the 90's. And I understand your point, but until i see black (and other non-white/immigrant) workers being treated fairly, I will accept that there are positive changes as far as race goes in America.

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 08:05
Well, well, well. We certainly have been able to flush out the reformists hiding in the nooks and crannies of this forum.


What are you basing the fact on?? i read the article and all it basically says is that obama will not keep his promises and continue the corporatist rule and create problems for the workers...what makes you so sure??? you are attacking without having even given him a chance to do what he said...no sane person can expect the damage the bush administration caused to be cleaned up immediately, it is physically impossibile. You have to wake up to the fact that obama winning is the closest thing to a political/social revolution we will ever see in present day America.

Apparently, you didn't read the article very well. This analysis is based on Obama and his surrogates' own statements. But, since you and others need me to pull out the easel and orange crayons, here's the basic checklist to go through, to determine if Obama really is "the change we need"....

End the Occupation of Iraq: No. It will continue, but with fewer soldiers.

Initiate a "Surge" in Afghanistan: Yes. (Thanks Comrade Alastair!)

Continue the "War on Terror" (against Iran, Pakistan or even Venezuela): Yes.

Repeal the USA-PATRIOT Act and Similar "Anti-Terrorist" Laws: No.

Abolish the "No-Fly" Lists: No.

Continue Warrantless Wiretapping: Yes.

Restore Habeas Corpus to Accused "Terrorists": No.

Restore Posse Comitatus: No.

Shift the Tax Burden: No (unless the economy recovers).

Establish a National Health Care System: No (unless the economy recovers).

Slash Social Programs Deemed "Unworkable": Yes.

Arrest and Trial of War Criminals from Bush Regime: No. It's been "off the table" since 2006.

You might get the Employee Free Choice Act ... unless the Democrats deem it something that is subject to "bipartisanship" and that "85-vote majority" in the Senate, in which case, you won't.

The positions listed above are not speculations. They are stated positions. That, it seems, is the reality you don't want to believe in.


This really is asinine. I can understand why people wouldn't vote for a Democrat, but to say that there are no qualitative differences between the two capitalist parties is a very ignorant thing to say. He has opposed the KORUS FTA, and the COLUS FTA, both of which were very problematic for the workers movement internationally, and both of which were being pushed for the the Bush/McCain camp. The whole crux of your argument is that he won't follow through with a single piece of his liberally progressive agenda which is not based in reality at all.

See above, chimx.

In terms of the free-trade deals with Colombia and South Korea, his opposition to them will last only until the capitalists make clear the extent of their support for them.

chimx
5th November 2008, 08:16
You've ignored our points. To say that this is a 3rd term for Bush is obscene. It's another term for capitalism generally, but to ignore the obvious differences in policy is just conspiratorial. It's literally embarrassing...

Le Libérer
5th November 2008, 08:17
Welcome to Bush's Third Term. The following link to the WPA Editorial of last Monday sums this up: http://www.ucpa.us/node/199.
Thats a very good article. In fact, when I called a friend who is to be deployed to Iraq in May, to tell him the news Obama had won, I said something to the effect, "Maybe now you wont have to do a third tour to Iraq." He told me he has already been told he will probably be going to Afaganistan instead. Obama has never said he will pull us out of war, but has said, he will move out of Iraq. That war machine will carry on.

I do wish that he will keep his promise of national health care. I am uninsurable because of my precondition. Wouldnt it be nice if those who really need life sustaining medical care, could actually get it in the US?
I can only wish.

spice756
5th November 2008, 08:18
I keep hearing this and I find it confusing. A lot of people here seem to think that the only way a labor movement forms is through catastrophe. People have said they are excited about the stock market crash, that they were hoping for McCain/Bush, etc. That's not how you build a labor movement. While I appreciate the importance of spontaneity in any movement, we also need to build a foundation piece by piece, one step at a time.

Well labor movements , strikes ,job walk-outs ,labor unions,communism and socialism died in the 90's.

The 60's , 70's and 80's was the time of this.




find it hard to believe that the ruling class actually thinks Bin-Laden (who is probably dead anyway) is a threat, so what are their real motives for this shift to Afghanistan? There is no oil in Afghanistan to my knowledge, would they really give up Iraq for Afghanistan?


Sure they got the government out that is anti-US and put a pro-US government in and they have control of the oil and pipe-line.They removed the nationalization and put US business in its place.

They don't care the country is in civil war.They have done their work and made lots of money.None it is to move on to other countries that are anti-US or do not have business do to nationalization like Cuba, North Korea , Pakistan , Nepal , Venezuela , Bolivia so on..


Geopolitically its only significance might be a strategic country to encircle Russia and project power into central Asia with, also maybe as a way to keep Pakistan in check. Anybody else know what further importance Afghanistan has for American Imperialism?

They will not go to war with Russia it would be suicide.



We can see it as a small victory against racism, there's nothing wrong with that.


The last time I check the police and courts are still racist and lot in the south.




But to get all hyped up about how great Obama is, how he's the closest to socialist we'll ever get in the US, how his government will be great for working-class people... That's criminal stupidity. And shame on leftists more onto it than this guy who still are will to endorse Obama - all you do is mislead the working class.


It is the closest to socialist you will get now do to the red scare in the US thanks to the media and government.And that the fact that the US changes very slowing.

Look for the next closest to socialist in the next 30 or 40 years from now.




I would prefer a socialist revolution. In the end, I don't give a shit which bourgeois candidate gets to manage American capitalism and American imperialism for the next four years. The concrete differences between them are minute, and Obama is actually far more dangerous because he'll be better at selling his imperialist policies than McCain would have



The economic conditions are not ripe enough and the US is still mentality not ready do to the red scare.



Nepal. Venezuela. People's War in India and the Philippines. Sales of Das Kapital skyrocketing. The communist movement is on the up and up, you don't need to support Obama to feel good about yourself.



To feel good in the US yes.

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 08:29
You've ignored our points. To say that this is a 3rd term for Bush is obscene. It's another term for capitalism generally, but to ignore the obvious differences in policy is just conspiratorial. It's literally embarrassing...

Are the any "obvious differences" that will actually matter?

Supreme Court Justices? At best, the status quo will be maintained (since the Justices expected to retire in the next four years are "liberals").

Environmental Policy? Obama backed expanded drilling close to the coastlines.

Same-Sex Marriage? Obama opposes it.

Where are the obvious "policy differences"? List them, or take your reformism over to Democratic Underground.

Honggweilo
5th November 2008, 08:30
Until "Yes, we can" becomes "Yes, we did" i'm not convinced :lol:

Leo
5th November 2008, 08:36
I am looking forward to seeing how those who voted or support Obama will behave when bombs start falling on Pakistan.

bcbm
5th November 2008, 08:37
I am looking forward to seeing how those who voted or support Obama will behave when bombs start falling on Pakistan.

They'll justify it through various mental gymnastics, I would bet.

spice756
5th November 2008, 08:38
Restore Habeas Corpus to Accused "Terrorists": No.


Restore Posse Comitatus: No.


sorry what is Restore Posse Comitatus or Restore Habeas Corpus to Accused "Terrorists ??



Shift the Tax Burden: No (unless the economy recovers).

Explain better here.

He support heavy taxes to the rich and businesses and redistribution of wealth



Establish a National Health Care System: No (unless the economy recovers).

He may want free healthcare but they will not allow it.


Slash Social Programs Deemed "Unworkable": Yes.

:(



Arrest and Trial of War Criminals from Bush Regime: No. It's been "off the table" since 2006.

What do you mean.

chimx
5th November 2008, 08:42
Supreme Court Justices?

And if McCain was elected we would have lost those seats to conservatives. Difference #1


Environmental Policy? Obama backed expanded drilling close to the coastlines.

Unlike Bush/McCain, he wants to invest in wind/solar/bio fuel technologies. He wants to give working families tax credits that buy fuel efficient cars (which often cost more, thus making it more affordable). For the longest time he didn't even like offshore drilling and only came around to it after he received the nomination and had to "play to the center". Difference #2


Same-Sex Marriage? Obama opposes it.

I thought he wanted to leave it up to state governments to decide.

More differences... i'm tired of counting... you already mentioned the EFCA.

He also wants to give tax credits to capitalists that don't take advantage of super-exploited labor in foreign countries and keep jobs in the united states where workers have better labor laws to protect them. Did McCain support this? No, of course not.

You also already mentioned the differences in taxation and healthcare. I believe your wife is involved in teaching so you should also be familiar with differences in education policy.

--

Where you see greater similarities is on foreign policy. And even that is different, it's just a nuanced difference. He maintains a hostile attitude towards Iran, DPRK, Venezuela, but I imagine he will use a different approach then McCain/Bush that will involve greater diplomacy.

He is very pro-Zionist, which I find to be one of the saddest things about his campaign. He is probably farther to the right than many Republicans on the issue of Israel/Palestine.

He wants to expand the war in Afghanistan, which is similar to the Bush/McCain policy, though again, their approaches are a little different.

The Bush administration already started setting up a timetable for troop withdrawal, mainly due to electorate pressure, so you will see a continuation of troop withdrawal from Iraq under Obama. No shockers there.

Junius
5th November 2008, 08:53
I am looking forward to seeing how those who voted or support Obama will behave when bombs start falling on Pakistan.

Start?!

What's been blowing civilians up randomly, shooting stars?! :blink:

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 08:54
Sorry what is Restore Posse Comitatus or Restore Habeas Corpus to Accused "Terrorists ??

Posse Comitatus was a law that had existed in the U.S. since Reconstruction. It banned the use of the military for "policing actions" within the U.S. except in times of rebellion or invasion. This law was repealed as part of a Defense Department appropriations bill two years ago. At this moment, the First Brigade Combat Team of the Third Infantry Division has been deployed inside the U.S. to deal with possible "crowd control" issues.

Habeas corpus has existed in modern governments since the Magna Carta was signed in 1215. It is the legal principle that those accused cannot be held indefinitely without being charged -- basically, it is the basis for the right to a speedy trial, to examine evidence against you and confront your accusers. It was repealed as a part of the Military Commissions Act.


Explain better here.

He support heavy taxes to the rich and businesses and redistribution of wealth

In the closing days before the election, Obama and his surrogates began backpedaling on this promise, saying that the economic crisis is such that it may make the restoration of tax levels for the rich to Clinton-era levels impossible. In addition, the Congressional Democrats have already said they plan to defer to the Republicans in the name of "bipartisanship". Given all this, there is little doubt that the state of the economy, as well as opposition from Republicans, will be used to justify not abolishing the Bush tax cuts.


He may want free healthcare but they will not allow it.

See above for why this won't happen either.


:(

I hear ya. Look, I'd love to be proven wrong on these things. But that hasn't happened yet. I remember the 1992 election of Clinton; I also remember how fresh-faced and not-so-fresh-faced reformists like smashimperialism and chimx thought he would usher in a period of liberalism and better conditions for working people. Instead, we got NAFTA, globalization and "humanitarian imperialism".


What do you mean.

When the Democrats won control of both houses of Congress in 2006, the first thing the new House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said was that impeachment of Bush, Cheney, etc., was "off the table". That is being extended now; Obama has explicitly opposed any attempts by liberal Democrats in Congress passing resolutions calling for the impeachement, or post-Bush-regime arrest and trial, of the war criminals.

chimx
5th November 2008, 09:00
I hear ya. Look, I'd love to be proven wrong on these things. But that hasn't happened yet. I remember the 1992 election of Clinton; I also remember how fresh-faced and not-so-fresh-faced reformists like smashimperialism and chimx thought he would usher in a period of liberalism and better conditions for working people. Instead, we got NAFTA, globalization and "humanitarian imperialism".

I am sympathetic to this argument, but even if the only thing we get out of this is the EFCA than I am content. Even if McCain/Obama were identical in every other way but EFCA, than that is still a positive step forward for labor organizing.

Personally I'm not at all interested in the Democratic party in the long run. I resent the idea that some soft-leftists put forward of taking over the party. It will always be a capitalist party. What I think is important is exploiting any and all gains we can get from the left-centrist capitalist party while we work on organizing labor and building a labor movement. That would be significantly more difficult under McCain.

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 09:04
And if McCain was elected we would have lost those seats to conservatives. Difference #1

Hooray for the status quo! Now Roe v. Wade will be overturned with a 5-4 majority instead of 7-2! Next!


Unlike Bush/McCain, he wants to invest in wind/solar/bio fuel technologies. He wants to give working families tax credits that buy fuel efficient cars (which often cost more, thus making it more affordable). For the longest time he didn't even like offshore drilling and only came around to it after he received the nomination and had to "play to the center". Difference #2

So, he wants to give corporate welfare to a section of the capitalist class that is funded by the traditional petrocapitalists. Yay!

And he wants to give everyone a tax credit to buy those cars. I wonder if we workers can use that piece of paper to heat our tents after we're evicted from our foreclosed homes?

And I guess you can call capitulation a "difference"! Next!


I thought he wanted to leave it up to state governments to decide.

So did McCain. And all of the candidates voiced their opposition to same-sex marriage.


He also wants to give tax credits to capitalists that don't take advantage of super-exploited labor in foreign countries and keep jobs in the united states where workers have better labor laws to protect them. Did McCain support this? No, of course not.

So, you take sides with one section of the capitalist class over another. Why are you here?


You also already mentioned the differences in taxation and healthcare. I believe your wife is involved in teaching so you should also be familiar with differences in education policy.

Oh, you mean like imposing a meritocracy among teachers and tying pay to performance -- an historically Republican demand? It may not directly affect her, but it does undermine the union contract her union is negotiating.


Where you see greater similarities is on foreign policy. And even that is different, it's just a nuanced difference. He maintains a hostile attitude towards Iran, DPRK, Venezuela, but I imagine he will use a different approach then McCain/Bush that will involve greater diplomacy.

The term is "saber-rattling".


He is very pro-Zionist, which I find to be one of the saddest things about his campaign. He is probably farther to the right than many Republicans on the issue of Israel/Palestine.

He wants to expand the war in Afghanistan, which is similar to the Bush/McCain policy, though again, their approaches are a little different.

Yeah. McCain-Palin were calling for 10,000 troops for the Afghan "surge". Obama favors 15,000 troops.


The Bush administration already started setting up a timetable for troop withdrawal, mainly due to electorate pressure, so you will see a continuation of troop withdrawal from Iraq under Obama. No shockers there.

And the only ones being withdrawn are combat forces. "Support" troops and "advisers" numbering nearly 65,000 will continue to be deployed there.

Martin Blank
5th November 2008, 09:11
I am sympathetic to this argument, but even if the only thing we get out of this is the EFCA than I am content. Even if McCain/Obama were identical in every other way but EFCA, than that is still a positive step forward for labor organizing.

No, actually it's just a step forward for union officials looking to maintain their dues base. "Card-check-and-neutrality" is the most passive form of organizing, short of company unions being imposed. It does not mobilize workers; indeed, it actually discourages workers from getting active in union organizing, since there are no campaigns to win workers over to the union. I fear that the EFCA will have the same effect that FACE (Free Access to Clinic Entrances Act -- the big piece of "progressive" legislation passed in the first Clinton administration) had for the pro-choice movement in the early 1990s: it will demobilize and demoralize supporters, while emboldening opposition and reinforcing resentment among uncommitted elements.

Leo
5th November 2008, 09:34
Start?!

I mean american bombs, it's a reference to Obama's plan to bomb Pakistan.

Plagueround
5th November 2008, 09:39
I mean american bombs, it's a reference to Obama's plan to bomb Pakistan.

His platform has been that Pakistan is where "the enemy is truly hiding", so most of America will probably just accept that and see nothing wrong with it, just like they did when we invaded Afghanistan on that premise. :(

fabiansocialist
5th November 2008, 10:27
It is a source of natural gas, as well as a significant transport route of oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea, with a proposed pipeline in the works since the 90's.

Maybe. I doubt it. Georgia and Turkey make more sense for such a route.


It also helps the US position in relation to Russia, as they've been making huge inroads into southeast Asian former Soviet Republics.

It's a piece of the jigsaw for American imperial strategists: they call the jigsaw "the Greater Middle East," and includes -- besides the usual Middle East -- the republics of Kazakhstan, Georgia, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgistan. For these to be secure, Afghanistan should be in the hands of a docile puppet government and firmly in the US sphere of influence. Both Russia and China (and indeed all the other major economic powers) take a keen interest in the Greater Middle East, with its supplies of oil and gas. These are the real adversaries the US is fending off, plus of course it doesn't want any populist (aka "extremist," aka "fundamentalist") movement in this area, which would, by definition, be opposed to American dominion and exploitation.

It's a mistake to think the USA will withdraw from Iraq or even that it will relax its attentions. Somehow an excuse will be found to stay put or the Iraqi government "persuaded" to "invite" American forces to stay a bit longer.

It will be interesting to see whether an empire in clear decline, beholden to so many creditors, can pursue these strategic objectives. I think it lacks the wherewithal to do so.

fabiansocialist
5th November 2008, 10:37
I am looking forward to seeing how those who voted or support Obama will behave when bombs start falling on Pakistan.

I don't think it will be a problem. US military action will be confined to the sparsely populated North-West Frontier Province. The Pakistani government is anxious to downplay the casualties from US action: the president (Zardari) is a US stooge, and the government dirties its pants at the thought of antagonising its imperial overlord. In any case it needs the US to grant it a temporary reprieve from the economic mess it's in. There is a small possibilities Pakistani forces (which often independently from what the government says) may retaliate against American forces. But anyway: these actions will not receive much publicity in the Western press.

Secondly, the US administration can always distance itself -- if it pleases -- from these actions: the US forces made a mistake, they were overzealous, there was some misunderstanding.

The American population does not care what happens in Pakistan as long as there is no commitment of US forces to the country. This I don't see happening.

Revy
5th November 2008, 10:40
When I see this massive support for Obama, and they show people celebrating in the streets, I wonder what these people will do when Obama continues the legacy of the Bush era. His foreign policies remind me of a mix of Clinton and Bush's. People have invested so much in this idea of "Change" from the Bush era to the Obama era. Will Obama be re-elected? Not if he represents the policies of the status quo, which he does. Capitalism is collapsing in on itself. People are tired of the politics of imperialism. I am looking forward to the elections of 2010 as a moment that will show the increased support for socialist parties. People will become disillusioned after Obama fails to live up to the Great Expectations of his win.

spice756
5th November 2008, 10:54
When I see this massive support for Obama, and they show people celebrating in the streets, I wonder what these people will do when Obama continues the legacy of the Bush era. His foreign policies remind me of a mix of Clinton and Bush's. People have invested so much in this idea of "Change" from the Bush era to the Obama era. Will Obama be re-elected? Not if he represents the policies of the status quo, which he does. Capitalism is collapsing in on itself. People are tired of the politics of imperialism. I am looking forward to the elections of 2010 as a moment that will show the increased support for socialist parties. People will become disillusioned after Obama fails to live up to the Great Expectations of his win.


Yap and I don't think Obama is going to do all the things he was saying he is going to do.He is is a moderate conservative not a lefty.

But people paint him has a socialist:(

Tell that to obama 349 votes MCain 147 votes.


When people don't get the stuff they wanted you may start to see some bad protests.

Forward Union
5th November 2008, 10:57
We should keep the Obama supporters around and wait to see what they say in two years.

Perhaps our Obama comrades don't know, but a similar campaign was run in the UK in support of Tony Blair. Leftist Singer Billy Bragg started a website "tacticalvoter.com" to try and get people to vote (Tactically) for the Labour Party, as it was more progressive and the closest thing we can have to complete social change. And especially to get the Tory government out.

As I keep asking him, without reply, what now Billy?

I Think they'll be wondering the same thing now.

For me it's a contradiction to suggest that the System is fundementally wrong, and yet that positive change can be won through it institutionally. It suggests incinserity about one or the other stance. Or perhaps a bizare ability to compart mentalise.

bcbm
5th November 2008, 11:22
Maybe. I doubt it. Georgia and Turkey make more sense for such a route.

Eh? There's nothing to doubt, its been made pretty explicit for at least a decade and a half. There's more info here:

http://www.ccmep.org/hotnews/pipeline112101.html

apathy maybe
5th November 2008, 11:42
*yawn*. I wanted the other guy to win, what's his name? Ralph Barr or something?


Of course there are differences between the Republicrats and the Democans. It may well be that a majority of US citizens will be better off during the next four years under a Democrat president than they would have been under a Republican president. It may well be that fewer places will be bombed now than would have been under McCain.

But the fact remains, that there is still capitalism in the good ol' US of A, and millions of people are still going to have to work two or more jobs to get by, millions of people are going to continue to live below the poverty line, etc. And that's just domestic policies.

Outside of the USA, the bombs will continue to fall in Afghanistan and Iraq (and Pakistan more than likely), civilians will continue to be killed, the absurd ABC approach to AIDS probably won't change, and the USA will continue to be the biggest per capita emitter of greenhouse gases.


Of course there are differences between McCain and Obama. But they aren't big enough to justify a vote for one or the other. At least, not if you claim to be a revolutionary leftist. We are fucking revolutionaries here! At least, we are supposed to be.

We don't want spare change, we want real change, and Obama is only going to give a few scraps to the people who need change most.



In other news, I woke up late today and masturbated. It didn't feel wonderful, but I did it anyway. It pushed the world closer to a anarchist/communist/Marxist/socialist/whatever the fuckist revolution then electing Obama ever did.

Wanted Man
5th November 2008, 11:45
Well, Anticlimax '08 is over and I slept right through it. I wonder how many gullible people in this country actually stayed up all night.

Incendiarism
5th November 2008, 12:00
Okay, I think we get it that Obama is not as progressive as people put on(and indeed this has been driven into the ground for months), but I agree somewhat with chimx in that race relations are being challenged to a degree. While this isn't exactly the most momentous occasion of this year, it is still considerable for a country like the USA and I still contend Obama is infinitely more preferable to Mccain and especially Palin.

Only the most naive among us would believe that racism has completely disappeared, that minorities no longer have a crutch to lean on when it comes to racial inequality, or that social and economic disparity is somehow at an end. What's more, the oblivious still believe Obama is a socialist and have conflated his policies to socialism.

In any case I didn't vote so I don't know why I'm typing this

Bilan
5th November 2008, 12:09
The bourgeois political system is flawed (in terms of actual change), but I'd prefer Obama to Palin and McCain any day.

Hostage
5th November 2008, 12:11
so is obama the first african-american president of usa?


:confused:


*isnotamerican*

Bilan
5th November 2008, 12:12
Well, Anticlimax '08 is over and I slept right through it. I wonder how many gullible people in this country actually stayed up all night.

I know I'm so proletarian I worked through it. Hellz yeah.

bcbm
5th November 2008, 12:13
so is obama the first african-american president of usa?


Yes.

fabiansocialist
5th November 2008, 12:19
Eh? There's nothing to doubt, its been made pretty explicit for at least a decade and a half. There's more info here:

http://www.ccmep.org/hotnews/pipeline112101.html

I couldn't believe what I was reading until I looked at the date it was written: 2001. It's history. Not only is Afghanistan out of control, so is Pakistan (I've visited the country several times). In fact, let me go one further: it was a pipe dream even back in 2001.

I agree with the rest of the piece (I scanned it).

F9
5th November 2008, 12:40
Yeyyyy.Are we going to be free now?No?:(
FUCK THEM ALL then!;)

Fuserg9:star:

Concept
5th November 2008, 12:58
anybody else find it weird that McCain won majority of the southern states
not sure if the southern states are predominately black still

this is a kick in the face of racists and time will tell if it's lasting or not
i'm personally glad a black man has finally made it to the top

bcbm
5th November 2008, 12:59
I couldn't believe what I was reading until I looked at the date it was written: 2001. It's history. Not only is Afghanistan out of control, so is Pakistan (I've visited the country several times). In fact, let me go one further: it was a pipe dream even back in 2001.

I agree with the rest of the piece (I scanned it).

I skimmed it as well, but it seemed like it laid out the basic history of the pipeline and the resources within Afghanistan, and explains why the US has had an interest in it for some time.

Bronsky
5th November 2008, 13:07
Well, that depends on what he follows through with. If he pushes for job creation domestically with better labor laws like he campaigned for, that will obviously be beneficial to what we have seen over the past decade. Internationally he recent opposition to FTAs, such as the US-Colombia FTA will hopefully have an positive impact on labor rights, although he does have an unclear relationship with NAFTA.

And of course, one of the major points of his campaign was to tax the rich more and give tax breaks to working families. I know I will like having the extra money. But what's interesting I think was the GOP's tactic at calling Obama a socialist. independent voters who had voted Republican in the past are voting for Obama despite the cries from the right of "socialism". While he obviously isn't, its reassuring that most people are moving slowly to the left, and red-baiting isn't an effective tactic. Furthermore, some pundits are predicting that this could be the collapse of the Reaganite Republican model.

And yes, I voted for Obama. On top of liking tax cuts for me, I think it is the best option while we focus on organizing labor to build a labor movement that can actually effectively challenge capitalist parties.


Do you think, even given he wanted to carry out these policies and they were not election candy, he has any chance of carrying them out, given the crisis within capitalism today. I can’t help but wonder why so much money was placed in his campaign coffers by Wall Street and Big Business in the USA if he was about to remove many of the tax privileges and carry out “socialist” policies. He can’t hide now the Democrats hold power in both houses so any policy he want he will get, it won’t take long to see what his real intentions are and in whose name he governs.

Wake Up
5th November 2008, 13:14
Leftists have a great opportunity here.
Obama will not be the messiah in any way shape or form and when he starts doing the same thing as every other capitalist leader, (war with iran, military intervention in Pakistan, pressure on venezuala, bending over for the corporations etc ) then we have a huge source of propaganda to use against capitalism.
Here we have a man that many American's think will solve their problems, when he inevitably fails they will really start to question the system they live in.

Oh and this is not the end of racism at all.

gauchisme
5th November 2008, 13:16
heard this one from michael connery: it's that obama's administration will likely be much more vulnerable to protest activism than bush's was (or mccain's would've been).

bush got away with glib dismissals - 'see, we allow peaceful protests; don't you want iraqis to have the same right?' - but i can't forsee such condescension working as well for obama: he'd risk alienating his base, betraying his image/message, hurting his chances at re-election, and so forth.

what do people think of this?

the immediate qualifier is, of course, 'sure, but how are we gonna actually get people out protesting now? ...it's easy with someone as hated as bush in office.'

i guess that part's up to you.

:)

Sankofa
5th November 2008, 14:15
anybody else find it weird that McCain won majority of the southern states
not sure if the southern states are predominately black still

this is a kick in the face of racists and time will tell if it's lasting or not
i'm personally glad a black man has finally made it to the top

I live in the Southeast; the majority of Blacks in the United States live here, but the majority population is still White, overall.

Since last night, Black people here have been walking around like they've won the lottery, but it's only going to be more tragic when they learn, like always, that our people have been duped, manipulated, used and lied to.

It matters not that America has a new Brown face, who's pulling the strings? It's the same old USA folks, it's just put on a new suit.

On the Edit: Check out this essay (although he touches on the subject several times in more recent essays) by Comrade Mumia Abu Jamal concerning President Elect Obama: http://www.prisonradio.org/ObamaJuneMumia.htm

He puts the situation into perspective nicely.

BraneMatter
5th November 2008, 15:43
It is a source of natural gas, as well as a significant transport route of oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea, with a proposed pipeline in the works since the 90's. It also helps the US position in relation to Russia, as they've been making huge inroads into southeast Asian former Soviet Republics.



This is an unrealistic and simplistic view of how imperialism works in today's world. There are very few ruling classes who engage in billion dollar operations for shits and giggles.


True, Afghanistan is an important route for gas and oil, but establishing any foothold there is a real problem. Many others have tried and failed, including the Brits and Russia.

The U.S. is definitely making moves in Central Asia and Southwest Asia, as they are important oil and gas centers, but there is no real way to back any of it up with enough occupation troops long term. It will only weaken the U.S. in the long run.

Conflict will likely continue in this region for a long time to come, as there is just too much booty there for the imperialists to try and grab.

The ultra-right wing radio talk show hosts and talking heads (Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin, and the rest) are all besides themselves with hatred for Obama this morning. The ass-whippin' by Obama has driven them all even further into fascist and racist convulsions this A.M., with Laura Ingraham swearing, 'I will never support a moderate again!' She made a big deal about a bull being slaughtered in Kenya in celebration of the Obama victory, just to remind Americans that they'd better keep an eye on their pets and be on the lookout for any Blacks hanging around the neighborhood. The implication was that you can take a Black person out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of a Black person. Those bloodthirsty savages will eat your cat in a frenzy of Obama mania! (Is that before or after they rape your wife, Laura?) Then she went off on some rampage about evil Muslims hiding behind every bush in her yard.

What a racist piece of shit.

Right, Laura, what your party needs to do now is to get behind the REAL conservatives like Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin! And a little more foaming at the mouth, as the "new" face of the party, just to show everyone how serious you are! :tt2:

JimmyJazz
5th November 2008, 16:24
heard this one from michael connery: it's that obama's administration will likely be much more vulnerable to protest activism than bush's was (or mccain's would've been).

bush got away with glib dismissals - 'see, we allow peaceful protests; don't you want iraqis to have the same right?' - but i can't forsee such condescension working as well for obama: he'd risk alienating his base, betraying his image/message, hurting his chances at re-election, and so forth.

what do people think of this?

the immediate qualifier is, of course, 'sure, but how are we gonna actually get people out protesting now? ...it's easy with someone as hated as bush in office.'

i guess that part's up to you.

:)

I can imagine it going either way, but my gut says it will be easier to organize under Obama than under a hard-right administration.

For one thing, the American left won't be entirely consumed by anti-war shit now, as it has for the last 8 years.

As far as the problems with capitalism go, Barack won't even begin to touch them--not even in the sense of covering them up through massive welfare programs--so we won't have any less ammo for organizing against capitalism than we ever did before.

BraneMatter
5th November 2008, 19:25
Well, well, well. We certainly have been able to flush out the reformists hiding in the nooks and crannies of this forum.



Apparently, you didn't read the article very well. This analysis is based on Obama and his surrogates' own statements. But, since you and others need me to pull out the easel and orange crayons, here's the basic checklist to go through, to determine if Obama really is "the change we need"....

End the Occupation of Iraq: No. It will continue, but with fewer soldiers.

Initiate a "Surge" in Afghanistan: Yes. (Thanks Comrade Alastair!)

Continue the "War on Terror" (against Iran, Pakistan or even Venezuela): Yes.

Repeal the USA-PATRIOT Act and Similar "Anti-Terrorist" Laws: No.

Abolish the "No-Fly" Lists: No.

Continue Warrantless Wiretapping: Yes.

Restore Habeas Corpus to Accused "Terrorists": No.

Restore Posse Comitatus: No.

Shift the Tax Burden: No (unless the economy recovers).

Establish a National Health Care System: No (unless the economy recovers).

Slash Social Programs Deemed "Unworkable": Yes.

Arrest and Trial of War Criminals from Bush Regime: No. It's been "off the table" since 2006.

You might get the Employee Free Choice Act ... unless the Democrats deem it something that is subject to "bipartisanship" and that "85-vote majority" in the Senate, in which case, you won't.

The positions listed above are not speculations. They are stated positions. That, it seems, is the reality you don't want to believe in.



See above, chimx.

In terms of the free-trade deals with Colombia and South Korea, his opposition to them will last only until the capitalists make clear the extent of their support for them.

He is definitely NOT the change we need, but to hear Rush and his callers today, we now have a Marxist state in the U.S.!!! They are now surer than ever that the apocalypse is at hand, and jesus will be coming soon to wisk them all away to that great shopping mall in the sky where the aisles are paved with gold!

Fox News had proof positive that communism has finally come to America:

-7Sou5TQUZA

I just knew it would be a hoot today to hear all the right-wing talk shows trying to deal with the Republican defeat. They are absolutely hysterical, which has got to be a good thing any way you look at it. It's great comedy.

Look at it this way, Obama is not a communist, but at least his election is a stab in the eye to all the racist shitheads in the U.S.

I don't have any illusions, but hey, maybe it will turn out better than we all expect...

As for Bush, yeah the bastard is gonna get away with all his crimes, and I guess the best we can hope for is that he goes on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney sometime soon... Maybe we should all chip in a buy ole Dick a bigger shotgun, like maybe a 10 gauage.:laugh:

fabiansocialist
5th November 2008, 19:51
The ultra-right wing radio talk show hosts and talking heads (Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin, and the rest) are all besides themselves with hatred for Obama this morning. The ass-whippin' by Obama has driven them all even further into fascist and racist convulsions this A.M., with Laura Ingraham swearing, 'I will never support a moderate again!'

Ah yes, the pimps and whores of the American imperium.

Revy
5th November 2008, 20:27
Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkKE8C35UU

I think it shows how the US is preparing for a war with Russia. They go into a discussion about Obama and suddenly launch into some kind of tirade about Russians hating America for our democracy and our freedom.

ernie
5th November 2008, 21:04
Do you think, even given he wanted to carry out these policies and they were not election candy, he has any chance of carrying them out, given the crisis within capitalism today. I can’t help but wonder why so much money was placed in his campaign coffers by Wall Street and Big Business in the USA if he was about to remove many of the tax privileges and carry out “socialist” policies. He can’t hide now the Democrats hold power in both houses so any policy he want he will get, it won’t take long to see what his real intentions are and in whose name he governs.
Indeed. Saying that Obama is powerful enough to change anything is saying that bourgeois democracy works. I thought people in the left knew by now that money and capital call the shots.

Even worse: some people in this forum apparently believe that Obama is an honest politician! :ohmy: "He promised job creation and tax breaks for the poor and he has said he's against this or that"...give me a break. How can anybody who is the least bit informed about how capitalism works believe anything these bastards say?

Coggeh
5th November 2008, 21:45
Hahahahaha i saw that shot live of the soviet flag , i was like what cpusa gobshite is outhere :confused:do they still have them flags ???

Guerrilla22
5th November 2008, 22:15
While the liberals are busy celebrating, people are losing their rights. It looks like prop 8 is going to pass in California.

Nakidana
5th November 2008, 22:22
Between McCain and Obama I'm happy that Obama won. He won't change the imperialist foreign policy of the US, but he's got better domestic policies and will improve the living conditions of people in the US, including the workers. For example he's got a better health care policy than McCain.

His election will also piss off Stormfront racists which is always a positive thing. :lol:

apathy maybe
5th November 2008, 22:35
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/05/barackobama-uselections20087

Possibly interesting article.

Nakidana
5th November 2008, 22:38
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/05/barackobama-uselections20087

Possibly interesting article.

Yay, thanks for the link. Gotta love Tariq! :)

Rex0230
5th November 2008, 22:39
I'm glad that Obama won, but ppl hype him too much like he's next Huey P or MLK

Nakidana
5th November 2008, 23:07
I'm glad that Obama won, but ppl hype him too much like he's next Huey P or MLK

The media coverage of the election was based on whether or not the candidate was a "likeable guy" who looked you in the eye and spoke the right way. Obama fulfilled those requirements and as a result has been hyped as the second coming of Christ at least in Europe.

Obama said the words "change" and "hope" and let each and every American (And European) read whatever they wanted into those words. The political content of his campaign was so vague that he could be whoever you wanted him to be and his change could be whatever you change you wanted. That's why he's so popular.

KurtFF8
5th November 2008, 23:51
I think that leftists are sometimes too quick to dismiss this victory as an important moment for America. It's quite reductionist to say that since Obama isn't a socialist and is a proponent of capitalism that this victory should just be looked at as "just another US election".

This of course ignores the social importance of a black man becoming President of the United States. The tears shed by the people in his audience were not in the place of or a determent to the movement towards a workers democracy in this country. Instead they were a realization that the country has come a far way from enslaving this group of people to having them now become POTUS. Radicals have no illusions of what type of ruler Obama will be, but they on the same hand must recognize the importance of Obama's vicotry, and realize that if McCain had won, it would have been seen by the world as an affirmation of how backward America is, instead this election was a mandate to start moving America to a new direction, and the role of the left should be to explain how without smashing capitalism, we won't have a "fixed" America.

Karl Marx signed a letter congratulating Abraham Lincoln on his reelection in the United States ( http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm ) And I don't think he had any dillusions about Lincoln possibly bringing in a proletarian democracy to the US, but he recognized the importance of what Lincoln was doing: ending slavery. (This also gave rise to funny conspiracy theories: http://www.amazon.com/Red-Republicans-Lincolns-Marxists-Marxism/dp/0595446981 ).

So while I don't think we should "critically support" Obama, as there's not much he'll do that the left will really applaud (other than perhaps the Employee free choice act, which is just more bargaining between Labor and Capital, not really a step towards socialism of course) as some do Chavez who claims he's actually trying to build socialism, we should not fail to recgonize the genuine and important emotion that has gone into this election and understand that people crying during his acceptance speech is important.

Vanguard1917
6th November 2008, 00:06
Obama's policies of job creation aim to stop American firms from moving production to the developing world. Socialists examine capitalism on a world scale, so we shouldn't view this as job creation, merely as an attempt to redistribute jobs so that employment remains in one part of the world. This serves to heighten distrust between the workers of different countries rather than fostering a spirit of solidarity.

Very good point. The advocacy of US protectionism, combined with various other chauvinist themes, has been prevelant in the Obama campaign. His endorsement of the Patriot Employer Act, for example, which aims to encourage US companies to employ American workers instead of sending jobs abroad... In other words, the old chauvinist populism of 'American Jobs for American Workers'.

ernie
6th November 2008, 00:18
This of course ignores the social importance of a black man becoming President of the United States. The tears shed by the people in his audience were not in the place of or a determent to the movement towards a workers democracy in this country. Instead they were a realization that the country has come a far way from enslaving this group of people to having them now become POTUS.
I think we can all agree that racism is heavily declining in the US (and has been doing so for three of four decades now -- in fact, in places like San Francisco it is almost nonexistent), and that this event is an indicator of that. However, there are plenty of things that tell us that this is a fact, and it would have been a fact regardless of who won this election.

That people cried at his speech is irrelevant; people cried at the Bush speech too.

KurtFF8
6th November 2008, 00:26
I think we can all agree that racism is heavily declining in the US (and has been doing so for three of four decades now -- in fact, in places like San Francisco it is almost nonexistent), and that this event is an indicator of that. However, there are plenty of things that tell us that this is a fact, and it would have been a fact regardless of who won this election.

That people cried at his speech is irrelevant; people cried at the Bush speech too.

I disagree, it would have mattered if McCain won, as racism would have played a big part in a McCain victory, given it was quite clear in terms of liberal policies that Obama was the "better" liberal candidate. (Using liberal in the actual sense, where McCain and Obama are both liberals of course).

I do agree that if Hillary Clinton became POTUS for example that racism would indeed have continued to decline. But the fact is that the Obama presidency is yet another step in smashing racism, and an important step. The bus boycotts, sit-ins, desegregation in the south, fighting for equal access to the market in the north are all important historical moves for ending racism in America, and while they are related to class struggle by virtue of a large percent of the black population being working class, they are social victories that are quite important. A black man being elected to President in a country that just 50 years ago had legal segregation is an important step. Arguing against that seems to just be too much of an effort to not want to view something this mainstream as important, but it's a wasted effort in my opinion.

And about the comment of people crying at Bush's. You can't possibly ignore the different contexts for why someone would cry at an overtly reactionary conservative's acceptance speech versus why people would cry at the acceptance speech of the first black president-elect.

FreeFocus
6th November 2008, 00:30
Fuck you, the concept i'm trying to put across is really not a hard one to understand, you seem quite intelligent yet you fail to grasp a simple concept. I never said Obama is god he will save us etc., i'll put it differently then..would you have preffered McCain??? Obviously we don't have real, competitive representation for socialism, so all i'm saying is im happy he won over McCain because his policies seem to favour the working class, if he turns out to be like all the others, then i'll be the first to criticize him, but it's nice to have hope once in a while..I'm half american half italian, i live in Italy now and i can honestly say i'm surrounded by racism and an inexplicable resurgance of neo fascists and i honestly feel like we are a huge minority in the world, therefore i c our chances of a revolution as being very bleak... so sue me if i consider an afro american man becoming president of the united states a small victory. That does not in anyway make me a supporter of imprialism you fucking prick.

Nice resort to insults buddy.

Yes, I would have preferred McCain. Why? Because he's not particularly bright and would have helped put American imperialism in a check that's very hard to escape from. I know the situation in Italy is horrendous, but I can't comment on the internal dynamics because I don't know enough about them. I may consider suing you, on a side note. Try to get you charged with support for war crimes and the like. :lol:


It will be interesting to see whether an empire in clear decline, beholden to so many creditors, can pursue these strategic objectives. I think it lacks the wherewithal to do so.

Obama has a tremendous ability to confuse people with his American exceptionalist rhetoric - not just Americans, but poor Kenyans, Iraqis, and even Palestinians. He can actually rally the world behind the US once more as the US claws its way back from the edge of the pit of obscurity and decadence. So I'll have to disagree with you here, at least for the next decade.


If his presidency is successful, you will see the dismantlement of the Reagan-ite GOP and the sway of the Christian Right. How in the world would this set the US back a decade, to the middle of the Bush years?

As for imperialism, your analysis lacks depth of evidence. Are you basing it on a hunch or something? Honestly, a lot of people here have the most conspiratorial and nonsensical political analysis I've ever seen. Bourgeois superstructure is not a homogenous entity but has qualitative differences from institution to institution. Acknowledge them and take advantage of them.

It's not setting the US back - in fact, the US will be taken ahead by an Obama presidency, and therefore American imperialism will be rejuvenated and even given another chance by people around the world. It is the left that is being set back a decade, the people who struggle for a better world who will now have a monstrous power's lifeblood extended another twenty or more years.

It's not a hunch. All the commentary I've read - from people from France and Kenya to people in Saudi Arabia and Brazil - shows a strong reestablishment of the belief in American exceptionalism, that "all things are possible" in America. The illusion of a postracial politics is in full force and will be nearly impossible to dismantle at this point. All the people I've seen today are caught up in the spectacle of a man with brown skin occupying the structure built by slaves, whom he simply views as members of an "American tradition" of fighting for freedom and the like.

On a side note, as a person of color living in the US, I must say that I feel no solidarity whatsoever with other people of color right now, and it may remain that way for years to come.

The left has lost.

chimx
6th November 2008, 00:37
Do you think, even given he wanted to carry out these policies and they were not election candy, he has any chance of carrying them out, given the crisis within capitalism today. I can’t help but wonder why so much money was placed in his campaign coffers by Wall Street and Big Business in the USA if he was about to remove many of the tax privileges and carry out “socialist” policies. He can’t hide now the Democrats hold power in both houses so any policy he want he will get, it won’t take long to see what his real intentions are and in whose name he governs.

Nothing Obama will carry out will be anything close to being a "socialist policy". It will merely be an abandonment of Reaganomics. Wall Street folk had been donating to him because his economic policies were considered to be significantly better than McCain's Reaganomics by most leading economists.

gorillafuck
6th November 2008, 00:41
I don't think Much will change, but he's better than risking Palin getting in office, in my opinion.

ChairmanArt
6th November 2008, 01:10
On a side note, as a person of color living in the US, I must say that I feel no solidarity whatsoever with other people of color right now, and it may remain that way for years to come.

The left has lost.

Yes, I agree with you comrade. It is rather painfully obvious to those who would take the time to examine that Obama was obviously elevated to this status to bring the masses of the people in America and the world back into the fold of US imperialism, diffusing their outrage at the crimes perpetuated by the Bush regime with a mass hysteria that has people shouting their joy to the highest mountains that this imperialist soon-to-be mass murderer has assumed the Presidency. I, too, am a person of color, and weep at what for now seems to be the bourgeois putting out of the fire of liberation that was already not strong enough amongst the oppressed peoples of the world.

But let us not be discouraged. Lenin said that what is important is not what the masses are doing at any given point in time, (however sickening that may be in terms of supporting such running dogs of a system that is opposed to their interests) but the objective forces underlying that activity. Obama is a capitalist-imperialist, and he will enact the program of the capitalist-imperialist ruling class. Of this revolutionaries must be clear. But we must also realize that objectively speaking, people voted for Obama not only becuase of his skin color, but also becuase of the outrage that they felt at the course the criminal US empire was on under Bush. And as he is an imperialist, Obama will surely fall short of the expectations of the masses of the people to overcome racism (in a system founded on white supremacy) and to act as though he is not there to carry forward the juggernaut of war and repression unleashed by the Bush regime. And I say this not in some determinist, "this is what will happen" sort of way, but just logically speaking.

Therefore, as revolutionaries we must be there for the disappointment, when people see their beloved President-elect escalating the war in Afghanistan and possibly even taking unilateral action against Pakistan or Iran, or failing to stabilize the battered capitalist system (so battered becuase of the vicious and avaricious workings of the system itself). The left must use these opportunities to illustrate the fallacy of this system and point to the need for revolution. The left can never lose, comrade, for we are all the masses have, and as long as long as societies of exploitation continue to exist, there must be those who will fight unto their last breath to liberate all humanity from tradition's chains.

zimmerwald1915
6th November 2008, 01:23
The Clintons, Jo Biden, Nancy Pelosi and numerous other Democrat heavyweights will use this to pressure Obama to remain loyal to the script he used to win the election.
Personally I'm interested in Biden's sex change:laugh:

Coffee Mug
6th November 2008, 01:57
Obama has proposed Universal Health Care, (relatively) promotes social justice and equality in the nation, and has been notoriously quoted as wanting to 'spread the wealth.' What more to ask for (in one progression of US Presidents)?

KurtFF8
6th November 2008, 02:26
Here's a good article by the PSL on the election results:
http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr001=zz3mb91t63.app5b&page=NewsArticle&id=10315&news_iv_ctrl=1261

Dominicana_1965
6th November 2008, 02:29
Barack Obama, the US president-elect, has begun building the foundations of his administration by selecting his chief-of-staff, as people around the world continued to celebrate his election victory.
Rahm Emanual, regarded among the Washington political elite as a master strategist, has accepted the key post, Democratic sources said on Wednesday.
The move is Obama's first political act since he swept to victory in the presidential election a day earlier.
Emanual who, like Obama, is from Chicago, helped mastermind the Democrats' capture of the House of Representatives from the Republicans two years ago.
Rob Reynolds, Al Jazeera's Washington correspondent, said Emanual was seen "as a tough politician with strong links to Israel."


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/11/2008115213559631602.html

We won't need to wait two years.

spice756
6th November 2008, 11:38
Obama has proposed Universal Health Care, (relatively) promotes social justice and equality in the nation, and has been notoriously quoted as wanting to 'spread the wealth.' What more to ask for (in one progression of US Presidents)?



What they say and what they do is other thing .Just a way to get votes.



I think it shows how the US is preparing for a war with Russia. They go into a discussion about Obama and suddenly launch into some kind of tirade about Russians hating America for our democracy and our freedom.


Going to war with Russia would be very bad and be suicide.



He is definitely NOT the change we need, but to hear Rush and his callers today, we now have a Marxist state in the U.S.!!! They are now surer than ever that the apocalypse is at hand, and jesus will be coming soon to wisk them all away to that great shopping mall in the sky where the aisles are paved with gold!
Fox News had proof positive that communism has finally come to America:


Where are those people gathering?

che's long lost daughter
6th November 2008, 12:33
I have not closely watched the campaigns and am not really aware about his proposed policies and "projects". My question however is, would him becoming president be beneficial to immigrant workers, particularly those who are waiting to get their employment-based visas?

FreeFocus
6th November 2008, 16:34
I'll be submitting an article to RevLeft tomorrow probably giving my thoughts on Obama's election and its implications for American imperialism. I was on MySpace and saw that Immortal Technique, the rapper, had just written a piece with his reaction, so I'll paste it here. The first paragraph is what I agreed most with:

America's Great Hope

I watched something necessary the other night, necessary for the legitimacy of America and it’s interests around the world. Necessary for it’s religion of capitalism and it’s imperial ambition, which were not curbed in anyway with the election of an African American. Instead they gained perhaps the greatest spokesperson for their cause that they could have ever received. People that never felt inclusive now feel like part of America, like they have a personal stake in its success and for people that truly love this country, isn’t that what you wanted? To have more people who live here proud of being an American? For many people Bush was never their president, to them he stole the first election and railroaded the second one with mired swift boat attacks on John Kerry’s character while dodging facts about the mischaracterization of Iraq as somehow being involved in 9/11 and how the intelligence that led us to war was so badly distorted. Some surrogates even went as far as to suggest that Mr.
Kerry might have inflicted the wounds on himself in Vietnam to receive a Purple Heart…

http://uk. youtube. com/watch?v=JoM90bAsr1M (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vdWsueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj1Kb005MGJBc3IxTQ==)

The same smear tactics were used all throughout this election, the same fear mongering and questions brought about Obama’s faith, place of birth and his “relationship with terrorists.” This cost the McCain campaign and it’s supporters, opportunity and legitimacy about their complaints of the future 44th President. They went beyond the simple implications of the Clinton campaign deep into the territory of arousing the fear and hatred ingrained in the minds of white citizens all over America. And yet they were denied yesterday for good reason. The mob would not have tolerated it. His victory was a restoration of the crumbling belief in our democracy, because the loss of faith; that, my brother’s and sisters is how empire’s fall, not from simple military failure but when their people no longer believe in it. During the last few years of Bush, this is what I saw. I cannot answer if there would have been rioting would he have not won, but his ascension to the Commander in Chief has made a strong case for the people’s choice being what and who control’s America. When in truth the strength and power of Military Industry and Corporate Conglomerates saw more of a champion than any urban working class citizen could have, in Obama.


Through careful planning, timed responses, tactful alienation and one of the best organized campaigns, at long last the people of America have a man that they WANT to believe in, a man they can point to as an example of the death of racism, the birth of hope and the inclusion of member’s of disaffected society in the United States.
But is this to be?

Michelle Obama was right when she talked about feeling proud to be an American for the first time. And white conservatives took it out of context. They assumed that the Black and Latino community who have had the right to vote for the past 40 of the 221 years of this countries existence should kneel and kiss the ground of a land that is only now acknowledging their service and contribution. Truthfully I am more inspired by her words than most of his. And, I am reinforced in my understanding that a man (especially one that aspires to achieve anything significant) without the right woman to support him and offer him guidance will never amount anything. Her words were prophetic for they truly did speak to the manner in which urban Black and Latino people have embraced the USA.


As I said before this was necessary for America to do… To not follow in the footsteps of the Roman Empire in its alienation of the people’s that it conquered. Their great mistake was NOT to include their allies and offer them the benefits of citizenships and partaking in the glory of what the empire gained as a reward for assimilation. Africans were on this side of the world before Columbus, but in US history they were brought as slaves, kept subservient through a Europeanized Christendom, and lied to about their glorious past, and their contributions to the history of humanity. After all it was Africans who comprised the power ranks of the early church, Africans who nursed the philosophy of the ancient Greeks and African Muslims who ruled Western Europe for over 700 years, that’s more than 3 times as long as the United States has existed as a country.


They are a people who have fought hard for every small victory and seemingly insignificant right taken for granted nowadays. They fought and died in every major US war going to back to the very founding of this nation when Crispus Attucks was the first person to ever die for American Freedom from British Imperial rule. Yet every time they proved their bravery and willingness to lay down their lives for the nation of their captivity, subsequent birth and allegiance to, they were denied the honor of a well-deserved recognition. They were denied loans, given substandard housing, redlined into the ghetto, had their communities filled with drugs and their addictions criminalized whereas the upper class of white society had theirs treated as an illness. Africans have had their commitment to family and values overlooked by a media highlighting of the worst sections of society. The Black family did not fall apart until the crack era, for even during the times of slavery, it came together with more strength than ever! Because there were sisters who were looking after children who weren’t theirs and brothers who played the father when their father’s were sold off and gone.


Black people for all intents and purposes have a right to have certain cynicisms and grievances with America. Perhaps not as much as Native Americans but they wouldn’t be the only ethnic group in the world to have a difficult relationship with the nation they live in. After all the world’s nations are actually comprised of many nations most of which are included by right of conquest and not willing consent.


And yet November 4th I saw Black people in Harlem waving American flags proudly and loudly. I saw them painted red white and blue, chanting and cheering “USA, USA”. I saw cops shaking hands with brothers from the hood who hate cops. I saw white college students who have gentrified Harlem and the last of Harlem's bulk of Black residents welcome them with open arms dancing in the streets because they were wearing Obama buttons or carrying Obama posters. He truly is a unifying force. He has changed the FACE of America, but now the question remains can he actually change America? Can he stop the war? Or can he just change it.


America has a new leader. To me personally I have always seen race a great illusion to justify slavery and build the capital for capitalism. His race is not as important as his design for the economy. But those who would think that we live in a post racial America are blind, and those who think that his minor experience will prevent him from acting with all the force of the greatest military power in the world will be surprised. His great strength is in his ability to listen and remember, to communicate and to inspire. To convince and to come up with the best explanation possible instead of perhaps some of the worst excuses for leadership, rationale for war and political nepotism that we have seen in America’s history during Bush II.


But his victory, he was right to say was not his victory alone, it was also the resounding failure of the Right Wing Republicans. So much so that it seems as if people from the very onset on the right might have aided McCain’s downfall to have the president they thought would be better for business in the neo liberal world of globalization.


McCain lost this election for many reasons though.


-McBush: His inability to distance and separate himself from George Bush and the fiscal crisis that came as result of economic policies of the 43rd president’s administration. His pathetic attempt to make the difference known at the end of the 3rd presidential debate was too little, way too late.


-The “Right” Enemies: A person is often judged by their enemies, McCain lost to Obama because of his inability to curb what was first seen as the fringe of his party and eventually came to be seen as a significant % of the base. In some videos you can even see his own surprised and disturbed reaction to what his supporters believed. The rallies became more and more about hatred and not any issues of real consequences. I know Christians and Right Wingers that are logical independent voters and when they saw the Republican base questioning him being a Muslim (as if that was a crime), an antichrist, a socialist, and screaming out “terrorist”, even the many of which had planned to back McCain/Palin were disgusted.


They looked at their own party as if to say I can’t really believe that you’re doing this to us now. If I were Obama I would have not feared these people, I would have engineered these people, and right now I would thank God for them. They cost McCain the election. Any rational debate that true fiscal and family values conservatives would have had were mixed in the same bag as these people.


www. youtube. com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9eFZGV2 FoTFRkVW8=)
www. youtube. com/watch?v=Gl2EndLZv7w (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9R2wyRW 5kTFp2N3c=)
www. youtube. com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9S2p4em 1hWEFnOUU=)

I would like to personally thank these idiots should they ever muster the courage to actually leave their Petri dish rural environment.


-The Palin Factor: Like I said, I know a few conservatives, most of them aren’t religious zealots (although I do have some family like that) and they told me that in good conscious they couldn’t vote for their ticket. The right wing talking points said that Obama and Palin had the same amount of experience. To which a Military officer who is a friend of mine snidely but honestly from the bottom of his war hardened heart responded, “experience being the same, she’s incapable of answering a straight question, she’s incompetent, she can’t stand up to Putin or anyone else. I voted Obama.” Truly her champions were people who cheered during the procession of The Emperor’s new clothes. She was no Hillary.


http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9bm9rVG pFZGFVR2c=)

Smart move old friend...

Right Wing Defectors: Colin Powell put the nail in McCain’s coffin for all Republicans who were creatures of logic over blind faith. He spoke for those who wanted understanding about the real issue, the economy. McCain choose to focus on Ayers and other old professors instead. He lacked vision, thinking his party could influence the moderates and the independents with this. Instead Scott McClellan, Christopher Buckley, etc… became a testament to Obama being able to win over not just working class whites, but conservative whites, which he proved to be able to do in the home stretch.


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Duh, Economy: These are all compelling arguments, but none of them more of a resounding factor than the economy. Which McCain avoided!!! Had McCain chosen for example Mitt Romney as VP this race would have been much closer in some key states. Here was a well-spoken, respected and successful businessman. He was the most well known Republican after McCain. He made millions from his business, he understood the crisis from a definitively fiscal Republican base, and would have won independents who found no answers in the 2008 GOP ticket. Instead the economy became the blow that McCain/Palin never recovered from.


But what does this all mean?

Is the Revolution over? Hardly. Are the world’s problems solved, not at all. Is Mumia going to get out of jail? I hope Mr.Obama looks into that but I bet it’s not high on his list. The threat of terrorism isn’t over nor is the threat of preemptive strikes. Should people of color now sign up for the Military now that the president looks like someone in their family? Stop it.


In order for Mr. Obama to have become America’s president, he had to back Israel 100%, not mention of the suffering of Palestinians, so the Middle East will not change drastically. Rahm Emanuel whose father was a soldier in the Zionist paramilitary organization called “Irgun” was recently selected as his Chief of Staff. I reserve my judgment and approach with an open mind so as to not give into hypocrisy because a man is not always his father. I just hope Obama can inject different opinions as well as his powerful logic into that conversation. I hope he will normalize relations with Cuba, for the sake of everyone who has family they cannot see, but in order to win Florida he had to change his tone about it. He will not investigate 9/11 although I think that now that he has the power do to so he should not be afraid to use it. I hope he will look into that and into the origin of the faulty intelligence that led us into Iraq.
He will be everyone’s president, but the majority of white America doesn’t see Malcolm X the way I do, nor did they see the Black panthers as freedom fighters, they saw them as terrorists, are we to give up our history and whitewash our heroes and praise those who kept us subservient because of this victory?

Racism hasn’t disappeared and you can always tell a racist/ignorant person by their notion that because Obama is president that we live in a post racial America. It is a sign of progress, it is a great triumph for all people, (after all we forget Barack is half white too.) It is very inspirational, but inspiration alone doesn’t complete a crusade.


I am sometimes accused of being too serious, which fools mistake for negativity. No I just understand that now the idea of Reparations for Blacks in America will be completely off the table. The powerful will remain powerful, the rich will stay rich and we gain advancement only in serving other’s causes that we then accept as our own. He cannot change the past but he can change the future, and this more than anything is what I, and others are hoping he will be able to do expeditiously.


After all he only has 18 months from the time he is elected, until the next congressional election really gets into the swing of things, and Congress turn to the their own races. He will need to act quickly.


The price of having hope is sometimes disappointment, but the price of having no hope is always failure… That said I have a few main concerns for America’s new Caesar: Repairing, regulating and reforming the economy, Healthcare for all the people of the richest country in the world. Bringing logic and reason to the war on terror and “war on drugs”. And lastly the reason that many Latinos and Indigenous people voted for him and delivered in key battleground states. Stopping the criminalization of hardworking immigrants upon whose backs our great nation is built.


I am just a man, one of 300 million, and though my support base is massive, one of the largest in the underground. I know Mr.Obama will never read this. But I have hope for the future you are trying to fight for us to have Mr. Obama and any change from the last 8 years of this record gas price, record home foreclosure, record incompetence (Katrina & Bin Laden’s 8 yr holiday) government is a good start to me. My cup of hope is full, but I sip it slowly, because hope is a powerful drug.


Remember, all politics is local, our job hasn’t ended with the election it has just begun.

Que Viva La Revolucion,

Immortal
Technique

Martin Blank
6th November 2008, 20:51
Karl Marx signed a letter congratulating Abraham Lincoln on his reelection in the United States ( http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm ) And I don't think he had any dillusions about Lincoln possibly bringing in a proletarian democracy to the US, but he recognized the importance of what Lincoln was doing: ending slavery. (This also gave rise to funny conspiracy theories: http://www.amazon.com/Red-Republicans-Lincolns-Marxists-Marxism/dp/0595446981 ).

I've read large parts of the Kennedy-Benson book, Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists. Ironically, if those two Copperheads were not so sloppy with their research, they could have made a stronger argument. The fact is that Marx had legitimate reasons to support Lincoln beyond his Johnny-come-lately support for emancipation (and, incidentally, Marx did not lend any support to Lincoln until September 1862, when the preliminary emancipation was issued).

"Red '48ers" and communists were active in the Republican Party by way of the abolitionist and "free soil" movements of the 1850s. These were the original "Red Republicans", and as the Civil War progressed, they became closer to Lincoln as he moved toward emancipation and, later, expressed sympathy toward workers in the class struggle. (See the Lincoln quote in my signature as an example.) When the IWMA was formed in 1864, many of the "Reds" joined, including abolitionist Wendell Phillips, New York World editor Horace Greeley, and U.S. Senators Charles Sumner of Massachusetts and Benjamin Wade of Ohio. (Interestingly, Wade almost became the first "Red" President of the United States; Andrew Johnson had not avoided conviction on his second impeachment by one vote, Wade would have become president.)

After the Civil War and during Reconstruction, there was a hope that the democratic revolution that resulted from the abolition of slavery, the defeat and conquest of the slaveholding states and the passage of the "Reconstruction Amendments" would lead to the revolution becoming "permanent", in the sense Marx talked about that in his Address of the Central Committee in 1850.

For more on this period in history, I would suggest reading our article, "Notes on the Early History of American Communism", from the Spring 2007 issue of Workers' Republic. (The director of the Marxists Internet Archive called this article "required reading" for communists in the U.S.) Another related article, "Benjamin Wade, the Red Republican", will be in the upcoming issue of WR.



Barack Obama, the US president-elect, has begun building the foundations of his administration by selecting his chief-of-staff, as people around the world continued to celebrate his election victory.
Rahm Emanual, regarded among the Washington political elite as a master strategist, has accepted the key post, Democratic sources said on Wednesday.
The move is Obama's first political act since he swept to victory in the presidential election a day earlier.
Emanual who, like Obama, is from Chicago, helped mastermind the Democrats' capture of the House of Representatives from the Republicans two years ago.
Rob Reynolds, Al Jazeera's Washington correspondent, said Emanual was seen "as a tough politician with strong links to Israel."http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/11/2008115213559631602.html

We won't need to wait two years.

The choice of Rahm Emanuel is telling, but not for the reasons cited here. The Chief of Staff's main role, in relation to the three branches of government, is to keep Congressional counterparts in line with the agenda of the White House. Choosing Emanuel, the architect of Clinton-era "triangulation" and co-founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, is a major "fuck you" to the Democrats' liberal wing. It makes clear that Obama has listened to Bob Kerrey's comments, and sees the liberal Democrats in the House and Senate, who want to push through liberal and nominally-progressive legislation based on the "mandate" they received last Tuesday, as his biggest "discipline" problem.

Labor Shall Rule
6th November 2008, 21:08
Obama has distanced himself from the 'left' and the Black movement, but it's a 'victory' that he was elected.

I'll admit that I underestimated the Obama phenomena.


"The voter turnout for this election was 64% by one calculation—the highest rate seen in 100 years.[82] However, as of 12 p.m. Eastern Time on November 5th, the total number of votes stands at only 120 million. Nonetheless, votes are still being tabulated, and estimates for turnout remain high.[83] One estimate, based on projections for uncounted and absentee votes, puts turnout at 136.6 million (64.1%).[84]"Newsweek published an article that said, if Obama was able to win over the U.S. electorate that typically turns out every four years to vote, he'd being presiding over a 'conservative' citizentry—wrong. The voter turn-out reveals that, in the past few months, otherwise 'apathetic' people (i.e. workers and students) have registered in large numbers that largely outnumber Republicans and "Reagan Democrats". As CNN noted, this was the first election that Chicanos, Mexicanos, and Puerto Ricans have taken an interest in. It's as if a new "coalition" has risen from the ashes of the past eight years. McCain and Palin's defeat, as Chimx said, resembles the repudiation of Reaganism: since 1981, the reduction of social spending, cutting of marginal tax rates, and a 'moral' agenda (smashing reproductive and homosexual rights), has been the dominant political mesh, even within the Democratic Party itself. The election was a referendum (notice, not a 'change') on whether such a roll back on reforms is still acceptable. This is why the ultra-right made it an issue to point out his 'socialism'—anything that's not the anti-spending agenda of the last 27 years is simply not ideologically equatable to the capitalism that they are use to.

I got this Mike Davis quote from Richard Seymour's blog, and I think it's an accurate description of what has happened.


More importantly, tens of millions of voters have reversed the verdict of 1968: this time choosing economic solidarity over racial division. Indeed, this election has been a virtual plebiscite on the future of class-consciousness in the United States, and the vote--thanks especially to working women--is an extraordinary vindication of progressive hopes.

But not the Democratic candidate, about whom we should not harbor any illusions.
The 'boom' of the collapse of the Soviet Union and the introduction of new labor-saving technology is over - finance capital has extended it's bounds too far. The banks, with the 'bail-out' handed to them by the Democrats and Republicans (which over 70% of all Americans opposed), have hoarded it in their vaults, or have given themselves fat bonuses, instead of providing credit to manufacturing operations, small businesses, and homeowners. To me, this means that there'll be a splint within the traditional political apparatus - the Republicans and 'moderate' Democrats will continue Reaganism and Clintonism, while Obama and the 'pro-change' Democrats will promote a mild, statist Keynesianism. No matter what comes from such internal contradictions, there'll likely be picked-up momentum within the immigrant, gay rights, Black liberation, labor, and anti-war movement that we probably wouldn't of seen in the event of McCain winning the election.

Sankofa
6th November 2008, 21:58
Immortal Technique's article was really on point. He hit the nail on the head with it, although I do have my own reservations on some topics, it was great. He's really insightful.

ernie
7th November 2008, 14:28
The voter turn-out reveals that, in the past few months, otherwise 'apathetic' people (i.e. workers and students) have registered in large numbers that largely outnumber Republicans and "Reagan Democrats".
I fail to see how that number in and of itself reveals what you state. It could mean ten other different things. You guys just really want this election to be about the workers and about the blacks. It wasn't; it was about the ruling class putting on a show. It always has been and always will be.

Also, from the same (updated) Wikipedia article your quote came:

However, as of 8 p.m. Eastern Time on November 6th, the total number of votes stands at only 123.1 million, just 800,000 more than in the 2004 election.I wonder how much the eligible voter population grew in these four years. Even if Obama convinced one million people to vote (who wouldn't have done so otherwise), I don't think this qualifies as "a phenomenon".

Looking at the numbers, we can see that out of the approximately 213 million eligible voters, only 125 million showed up. I would guess that most of those 88 million who didn't vote come from the working class. Oh, wait, I don't have to guess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout#Socio-economic_factors). Unlike some people here, workers have realized that elections are bullshit, and they don't want anything to do with them. But then you guys want to go and convince them that they're wrong and that they should vote for "the lesser evil". What's revolutionary about that? :confused:

ernie
7th November 2008, 14:31
For more on this period in history, I would suggest reading our article, "Notes on the Early History of American Communism", from the Spring 2007 issue of Workers' Republic. (The director of the Marxists Internet Archive called this article "required reading" for communists in the U.S.) Another related article, "Benjamin Wade, the Red Republican", will be in the upcoming issue of WR.
This sounds interesting. Is there an online version of this article?

Martin Blank
7th November 2008, 16:16
This sounds interesting. Is there an online version of this article?

The "Notes" article can be read, at the moment, as part of the Spring 2007 issue of WR, which is available as a PDF on our website: www.communistleague.us (http://www.communistleague.us/). We are working to get older articles from our publications up on our news portal at this time. Only current and recent articles are on there now.

FreeFocus
8th November 2008, 02:27
I've written my piece on my thoughts on Obama's election..it's in my blog and the article submission board too, but I'll paste it in here.



Exceptionalism Reborn: The Rise of Race-Neutral Imperialism?

The election of Senator Barack Obama to the Presidency of the United States has been met with joy and a renewed faith in the “American dream” around the world. Rama Yade, the black French junior minister of Human Rights, remarked “On this morning, we all want to be American so we can take a bite of this dream unfolding before our eyes.” Egyptian feminist Iman Bibars commented "When Obama won, I felt it was the return of the American dream.” Obama’s election, however, raises some critical questions, as does the world’s embrace of him.

President George W. Bush brought severe condemnation upon the United States for bellicose rhetoric, hardcore unilateralism and a disregard for world opinion. His invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, open policy of torture, state terrorism, support for authoritarian regimes in places such as Pakistan and Colombia, undermining of international institutions, subversion of international law and agreements, and insistence on shoving disaster capitalism down the world’s throat pushed many in the global community to the brink of discovering the nature and causes of American imperialism. Heads of states rose to power and international fame on the wave of anti-imperialist populism, including Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The United States lost considerable power, prestige, and respect globally, thereby discrediting American intervention and its underlying rationale of American exceptionalism more than under any president prior to Bush. The more intelligent sectors of the American ruling class understood this well, and thus threw their support behind Senator Barack Hussein Obama – the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, who was born in Hawai’i and raised in Indonesia.

Prior to Obama’s victory, the forty-three previous presidents were all white Protestant males, save for John F. Kennedy, a Catholic. To be sure, the new President-Elect is not the only candidate to have “inspired hope” in the hearts of people. Comparisons to Franklin Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy are often made, both presidents promising a fundamental shift in American foreign policy. With Franklin Roosevelt, it was a “Good Neighbor Policy” toward Latin America, the region afflicted by American imperialism the most aside from North America itself. It is of no small note that Roosevelt trotted out this policy when he did – during the apex of the Great Depression – when American hard power and soft power were at their weakest. As NYU professor of Latin American history Greg Grandin notes in his book Empire’s Workshop regarding the Good Neighbor Policy, “Rather than weaken U.S. influence in the Western hemisphere, this newfound moderation in fact institutionalized Washington’s authority, drawing Latin American republics tighter into its political, economic, and cultural orbit through a series of multilateral treaties and regional organizations.” This, Grandin explains, is what taught the United States to use soft power effectively.

Upon becoming president, John F. Kennedy faced a world with potentially bleak prospects for American hegemony. Revolutionary sentiment and movements had engulfed the poor and oppressed nations of the world, from Asia to Africa to Latin America. Most troubling of all, however, was an island a mere 90 miles from the coast of Florida – an island coveted by imperialist slaveholders in the 19th century who sought to form a “Golden Circle” of slaveholding states – Cuba. Not only had a revolutionary, mass-based movement led by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara overthrown a US-backed dictator, but Cuba had disobeyed the then 136 year old Monroe Doctrine. Kennedy ushered in decades of subversion, state terrorism and economic strangulation against Cuba to preserve hegemony in America’s “backyard.” Kennedy also attempted to co-opt the revolutionary fervor in Latin America, employing American exceptionalist rhetoric as a rallying cry for the poor and oppressed of the hemisphere: “Let us once again awaken our American revolution until it guides the struggles of people everywhere.” Perhaps Rama Yade and Iman Bibars should take note of this tactic. For the world’s critique of American hubris, it sure does enjoy reinforcing its underlying assumptions.

Still, Obama is no Franklin Roosevelt or John F. Kennedy. He is, as one member of RevLeft put it, a “biracial white man.” Looking at Obama’s political history, it can be argued that he is considerably calculating, despite the façade he erects. In 2000, Barack Obama ran for a seat in the US House of Representatives against a former Black Panther, Bobby Rush. The district, on the South Side of Chicago, is primarily African-American. In the race, Obama ran on the familiar theme of opposing a politics “rooted in the past.” He lost. Bobby Rush criticized Obama for not being sufficiently rooted in the African-American community. Obama attempted to compete with him in this regard, as opposed to trying to reframe the election. From this loss, Obama learned the value of a “postracial politics,” which propelled him to victory in 2004 and 2008.

With Senator Obama’s election, millions of minorities warmed up to the idea that America has overcome racism. That Senator Obama had to run a campaign which disregarded any legitimate grievances articulated by minorities and marginalized groups is of little matter. Obama’s reimagining of American history – of the “Founding Fathers” as freedom-fighters instead of staunch imperialists and of minority resistance to oppression as giving life to “American ideals” instead of resisting “ideals” whose only purpose is to provide euphemistic value, is telling. Regardless of whether or not Obama delivers on policies he won the Democratic nomination on, it is clear that a great number – millions – of Asians, African-Americans, Hispanics, and Indigenous peoples have finally been converted into wholehearted Americans who now feel they have a true stake in America’s success. Barring an absolutely catastrophic Obama presidency, the American bourgeoisie has won a definite victory over the global left, which will set the left back two or more decades. The American Empire is looking less like the American Empire of the past two centuries and more like the Roman Empire of two millennia ago. Although racism will continue in the United States, the broader society may embrace a race-neutral form of imperialism. Minorities have signed a Faustian deal. In The Future of an Illusion, Sigmund Freud wrote: “No doubt one is a wretched plebeian harassed by debts and military service, but, to make up for it, one is a Roman citizen, one has one’s share in the task of ruling other nations and dictating their laws.” People in the Third World can no longer count on segments of the American population for much sympathy and support based on common experiences. Instead, they can expect to be condemned not by rich white capitalists with a few brown faces sprinkled here and there, but by an increasingly multiracial society in which whites will soon be a minority.

Glenn Beck
8th November 2008, 03:34
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I think Obama's election could go either way at this point, either people will become disillusioned and worthless, or people will become disillusioned and angry. Let's hope for the latter. I think the Democrats might be playing with fire by threatening to give people what they want, but they might pull this gamble off and make people happy with a few concessions and "heal" the wounds of racism by giving imperialism a black face.

Whatever happens we need to be ready to connect with people on their own terms in language they understand to explain why Obama is not the solution and why revolution is necessary. I have a gut feeling though that having the Democrats in office could be beneficial by making it easier to organize and making it more difficult for liberals to co-opt progressive movements under the wide umbrella of "anti-war" and "anti-Bush". People have a tendency to go for what they feel is their safest option, and by taking away the option of the Democrats coming and and reforming things better, perhaps many of these people who so enthusiastly supported Obama could be made more receptive to radical ideas.

Agrippa
8th November 2008, 05:00
Beyond McAntiWar[/I]"]
Like the 2004 elections. We saw two main lines. Many were pulled in by the sincere desperation of many “progressives”, into the electoral war to oust the Bush regime, into “Anybody But Bush” or “Vote or Die” grassroots campaigns for Mr. Ketchuphead. If this most openly evil and warmongering and “fascist” administration couldn’t be thrown out, many believed, then what hope was there for any humane future? Giving this election a strong drama of Armageddon. Others took the more radical line that Bush & Kerry were two similar heads to one imperialist monster. That supporting Kerry was just a well-meaning but futile detour, a waste of “the working class” time and energy. Both these sincere opposite positions contain trace elements of truth but are untrue, especially for revolutionaries. Moreover, although opposite in outward form both positions come from the same viewpoint. Radicals still view the 2004 elections from the standpoint of civilians, as though their left were a “Consumers Report” for better political shopping.

The 2004 election was an important victory for revolutionaries here, the most important in many years (all the sweeter because in our very weak state we can only get the fruit that falls from the tree). It is axiomatic in war that success depends in large part on using the mistakes and incompetence of the enemy. While civilians may wish for the “best” capitalist government, we revolutionaries need incompetence in the seats of power -- and the Bush royal family has raised hubris and incompetence to an art form. It is a sign, actually, of system failure, like Czar Nick in Russia lurching suicidally into World War I.

Bush and Mr. Ketchuphead are obviously far from the same, no matter what left rhetoric may say. The Gores and Kerrys are state managers, can more or less manage or mangle the sinking welfare state, but they can’t build mass popular movements to save their lives (or as Maureen Dowd once wittily remarked, why be for Gore “who can’t even win when he’s won?” ). While Bush & the his far right crew can successfully ride the white euro-settler majority despite shooting the bottom out of the u.s. national boat, but couldn’t manage a hot dog stand. If revolutionaries here could actually choose the general staff of our opposition, we couldn’t dream up a better choice from our point of view. Ah, more years of stupid adventures, trampling over the loyal middle-classes & mismanaged takeovers -- it’s political bliss (reminds me of the flip of that old Black Muslim song, “Black Man’s heaven is a white man’s hell”).


As many have pointed out in this thread already, Obama's victory is not a victory for those who seek a stateless, classless society. I will go one step further and declare it a defeat for the class war camp, although it offers the potential for opportunities to develop in the future that anti-capitalists may exploit in order to gain further victories.

Social Democracy has always been the primary tool for repairing the stability of capitalism and salvaging the ruling class's reputation among the masses. Two prominent examples in 20th century American politics are FDR's New Deal, and Carter's ascension to power in the wake of Nixon's fall.

However, in the case of FDR, a drastic restructuring of the American political system occurred, (as was necessary to fend off civil unrest) and Carter's policies, while no less genocidal or exploitative than Nixon's, were a different model than Nixon's. In the case of Obama, what we are looking at is nothing more than a "re-branding" or "PR make-over" of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush neo-liberalism. The fact that in the 30s it took a complete overhaul of the capitalist system to win over the hearts and minds of the American working-class, and now, in the former half of the 21st century, all it takes is a mass-media advertisement blitz that used the same cynical, manipulative tactics that marketing departments of countless multinational corporations use to sell toxic "soft drinks" and dishwashing detergents is merely a sign of the sheer degeneration of the American political consciousness.

If anyone doubts Obama is (at least) four more years of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush neo-liberalism, examine his policy in regards to Afghanistan and Iraq. The Iraq war wasn't unethical, merely "unwise", (ie: it wasted the u.s. empire's resources and weakened rather than strengthened the u.s.'s military position in the region) and, as he has stated time and time again, he wants to intensify the u.s.'s brutal occupation of Afghanistan, which has already killed tens of thousands. And during the 1st presidential campaign, he exposed himself as the more bellicose of the two presidential candidates by stating his plans to launch attacks against Pakistan, plans which senator McCain vehemently denounced. (once again, not because it would be unethical, but because he thought it would be unwise from a u.s. foreign policy perspective) Does that make McCain the "lesser of two evils"?

To further hammer down the point, here are the recent words of a Bolivian blogger:


A while back Gringo Tambo dug up this video of Obama´s Bolivia advisor, Greg Craig speaking about the possible extradition of Bolivia´s ex-Pres "Goni" Sanchez de Lozada for his role in the 2003 El Alto Gas War in which more than 60 civilian protesters were shot dead by the national military. Summerized:
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“we do not accept your characaterization of those events as a massacre.” He says there were no crimes against humanity, genocide, disappearances, or torture, but rather, “tragically, civil disturbances which cost lives.”
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Oh, did I forget to tell you?, that in addition to advising Obama on Bolivia, Craig is also Goni´s legal representive.Or, if you prefer, take this quote from a very eloquent article from the "World Socialist Website" entitled "Obama begins to 'lower expectations' for a Democratic White House"


"According to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington group that tracks campaign contributions, military contractors have given 34 percent more to Obama than to his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain." Makes sense. As Robert Kagan wrote, "Obama talks about 'rogue nations,' 'hostile dictators,' 'muscular alliances' and maintaining 'a strong nuclear deterrent.' He talks about how we need to 'seize' the 'American moment.' We must 'begin the world anew.'"If you're still not convinced, consider Obama's comments to the American-Israeli Political Affairs Committee that the existence of the genocidal settler state in Palestine is "sacrosanct" and "non-negotiable", or take a look at Obama's policy advisers, (" Obama’s Council On Foreign Relations Crew", Infowars.com 11/07/08) or his appointment of Rahm Emanuel, an advocate of "universal civilian service for every young American". (and for the record, my reference to Alex Jones' website is not intended as an endorsement of his racist, anti-Semtic, misogynistic, mercantilist, anti-masonic conspiracy theorist, and all-around-reactionary politics)

Or his running-mate's authorship of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which, in case you're unaware, created 10,000 new police jobs, allocated billions for the construction of new prisons and "bootcamps", (yes, the actual word used in the bill) slashed inmate education programs, created 60 new death penalty offenses, (including drug trafficking and gang membership) and most notoriously, gave birth to the "assault weapons ban".

Or his constant praise for "clean-coal", (which he admitted in the 3rd presidential debate "doesn't make him popular with environmentalists") betraying his marriage to coal industry lobbyists.

Yes, Obama's stances on many "social issues", (abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.) if he actually follows through on implementing them, will alleviate the suffering of those who live under the u.s. regime, but the same argument could be made for many Republican party policies. (eminent domain, "home-schooling", gun control) Also, while far from unimportant, these issues are individual facets of a global bureaucratic system of total monopolization of our lives by the bourgeoisie, and both "sides" of the debate, as framed by bourgeois parties, are framed within the context of continued control of our lives by the bourgeoisie. For example, take abortion; regardless of whether or not any state chooses to outlaw abortion, the population of that state is still dependent on a capitalist medical industry (be it "privatized" or "socialized") that peddles toxic and addictive pharmaceuticals and denies millions the basic medical treatment they need. In regards to same-sex marriage, Obama merely represents the sane branch of the ruling class, which recognize that the less disenfranchised queer people are by the political apparatus, the less likely they are to be an agent of social unrest. (Nevertheless, the legalization or illegalization of gay marriage is only a small aspect of the institutionalized oppression of queers which can only be resolved by the overthrow of, or at least autonomy from, capitalism and patriarchal civilization) TL;DR - the fact that the state still wields the capability of denying freedom to participate in the most basic human activities (the arrangement of marriage agreements, the performing of routine medical procedures) is a threat to our existence regardless of whether or not the state chooses to exercise this capacity. As long as "progressives", "the left", etc. focus on legal struggles to obtain these "rights" within the existing civil establishment, rather than removing themselves from any dependency upon the state in performing medical procedures, arranging marriage agreements, etc., all it will ever result in is frustration

Another point I'd like to touch upon is that not only do Social Democracy and reformism exist to appease the oppressed with concessions, many of their "concessions" are actually Trojan horses for newer, more sophisticated totalitarianisms. Take for example, social security, which created an entirely new database for cataloging u.s. citizens by assigned number.

An anonymous commenter on the anarchist LiveJournal community articulated it well:


If Obama stands for anything, it's for the rising faction of the capitalist bureaucracy that's tied to the labor movement, the education establishment, the non-profits, foundations, the "liberal media," parts of the 'activist left,' permanent government civil servants, the "public sector," etc., etc., etc. Here, unlike in Western Europe where they more or less became the state (social democracy), or in the East where they were absorbed by the Communist apparatus, these grouping never really got out from under the thumb of the traditional corporate-capitalist oligarchy. So maybe Obama means the final full emergence of this grouping within the ruling class.
And the form of state power this group wields is the "soft power" of the welfare state which legitimates itself with its "social programs" ostensibly motivated by humanitarian goals.Now, in regards to radicals acknowledging the "historical achievement" of the first black president of the u.s., there are several major problems with this:
A) "neo-colonialism", the appointment of individual members of colonized ethnic groups to positions of administration ("representation") is nothing new. Look for example, at modern-day India and Africa, where the majority of politicians and capitalists are Indian and African, respectively, as opposed to being white Europeans, as they were in the past. Notice how this hasn't even remotely altered the fundamental nature of capitalist control in these regions of the world.
A.1) Even within specific regards to Africans in the u.s., this isn't that new of a development. Black radicals and social critics have always discussed the existence of a "black bourgeoisie" which has collaborated with the white establishment in crushing black resistance long before Obama. There are already plenty of black CEOs, black judges, black cops, black generals, black mass-media personalities, black DAs, so and and so on. (Same for Amerindians, Latinos/Mestizos, Jews, Asians, Hawaiians, and any other oppressed ethnicity within the u.s. borders that I've forgotten) With that in mind, a black president is merely the final, almost-entirely symbolic step.
B) Even if the nature of American capitalism was changed so drastically that all political, social, and economic inequality between Africans and Europeans in the u.s. was resolved, (which will never happen, for obvious reasons) we would still be living under capitalism. Keep in mind that in the 19th century, "whiteness" was synonymous with "Anglo-Saxonness" and Celts, Italians and other Southern Europeans, Finns, Hungarians, Poles and other Slavs, Lithuanians and other Baltic people, and Jews were all considered "non-white" and suffered under the same social, political, and economic oppression that blacks, Latinos, Amerindians, and Asians/Pacific Islanders suffered under and continue to suffer under today. Keep in mind that Obama isn't the first milestone for ethnic minorities within the u.s. - JFK was an equally "positive" symbol for Irish Catholics who had been oppressed by American society for decades. If we look beyond the u.s for examples, we can see that many (but certainly not all) of the economic, political and social inequalities that effected French-Canadians were repaired by the Canadian state in response to the guerrilla warfare campaign waged by the Quebec Liberation Front. French-Canadians and all Canadians still lack autonomy, the one thing that can lead to true liberty and dignity for all people.
C) Even viewing things within terms of the "historic" nature of mass-media events, and the "progress" of capitalist society ultimately betrays a slavish allegiance to a capitalist mentality

In conclusion, many Leftists have praised the Obama campaign's use of grassroots tactics to mobilize poor blacks and Latinos, and the effect it has had upon increasing interest in political participation in the American public, and offered this as a potential for "us" to "build on". Rather, we must now unbuild what has been built, as these people have been mobilized towards participation in the American system of electoral politics, the polar opposite of our goal. (Mobilization against the system of American "democracy") Considering the once-massive role blacks and Latinos in the u.s. played in creating genuine social progress, the indoctrination of millions of working-class blacks and Latinos into the ideology of "representation" by capitalist rule and "change" by capitalist reform (especially given the highly Orwellian nature of Obama-ism in it's imagery and rhetoric) is in fact a massive set-back. The election of a black president is a powerful symbol, which is why the ruling class has chosen a black man to be the next president, (And don't be mistaken, it is the ruling class, not the mass of voters, that has chosen the next president) in an attempt to dissuade blacks away from their deeply-held understanding of their complete disenfranchisement, and to dissuade Americans in general away from cynicism towards "the political process" that the extreme unpopularity of the Bush administration could have created.

As many have already pointed out, the incredibly high expectations raised by the Obama campaign will eventually lead to mass-disillusionment and cynicism which radicals can exploit. However, cynicism and disillusionment are not the same thing as a developed political consciousness, which is why radical Leftists will have to take a proactive role in vocally denouncing the Obama regime and offering concise alternatives to all forms of capitalism. Futhermore, as the vestiges of socialism, liberal humanitarianism, and civic participation once again became the ideology of the ruling administration, radicals must take a particularly diligent stance in distancing themselves entirely from the left wing of capital, making sure to vocalize clearly and precisely that we are not the "extreme end" of the (capitalist) "left", the "next step", or social democracy taken to it's "logical conclusion", but rather, a completely different program. Radicals have already squandered the opportunity handed to them by the disastrous fumbling of the Bush era by putting all of their eggs in one basket, by which I mean "broad coalition" tactics (the "anti-war movement", the "anti-globalization movement") which focus narrowly on a small group of mostly-European, mostly-middle class, and mostly-college aged liberals and Leftists as a base of potential support and recruitment, and which allows easy manipulation by big foundations, proxies of the Democratic party, right-populists, and Stalinists.

ernie
8th November 2008, 13:16
Agrippa -- let me first say that your post was an excellent insight about the recent election. I really hope those here that voted or campaigned for Obama read it. A couple of things that caught my attention:


As many have pointed out in this thread already, Obama's victory is not a victory for those who seek a stateless, classless society. I will go one step further and declare it a defeat for the class war camp, although it offers the potential for opportunities to develop in the future that anti-capitalists may exploit in order to gain further victories.
Implying this result is a defeat for the radical left almost means that we should have voted and campaigned for McCain. My view is that we should be telling workers that it doesn't matter who wins; it's all the same to them.


Social Democracy has always been the primary tool for repairing the stability of capitalism and salvaging the ruling class's reputation among the masses. Two prominent examples in 20th century American politics are FDR's New Deal, and Carter's ascension to power in the wake of Nixon's fall.

However, in the case of FDR, a drastic restructuring of the American political system occurred, (as was necessary to fend off civil unrest) and Carter's policies, while no less genocidal or exploitative than Nixon's, were a different model than Nixon's. In the case of Obama, what we are looking at is nothing more than a "re-branding" or "PR make-over" of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush neo-liberalism. The fact that in the 30s it took a complete overhaul of the capitalist system to win over the hearts and minds of the American working-class, and now, in the former half of the 21st century, all it takes is a mass-media advertisement blitz that used the same cynical, manipulative tactics that marketing departments of countless multinational corporations use to sell toxic "soft drinks" and dishwashing detergents is merely a sign of the sheer degeneration of the American political consciousness.
My opinion is that during the FDR years the ruling class was capable of "giving us" all these reforms. The question is: is that the case today? In the midst of all these imperial adventures, the rise of new and more vigorous capitalist nations and the economic crisis, I don't think that the ruling class will be allowing many social-democratic reforms to be made.


In conclusion, many Leftists have praised the Obama campaign's use of grassroots tactics to mobilize poor blacks and Latinos, and the effect it has had upon increasing interest in political participation in the American public, and offered this as a potential for "us" to "build on". Rather, we must now unbuild what has been built, as these people have been mobilized towards participation in the American system of electoral politics, the polar opposite of our goal.
But did he really mobilize poor blacks and Latinos? Did he really build anything? My opinion is that he did not.

With over 99% of the votes accounted for, less than 124 million votes have been counted. That's only 58% of the eligible voters and about one and a half million more than last election. So where is this great mobilization people are talking about?

The indoctrination you mention is, in my opinion, a product of the improvement in the material conditions workers had during the 50s (and blacks and Latinos had during the late 60s and early 70s). I think it is wearing off, and the fact that they aren't buying the elections confirms that.


The election of a black president is a powerful symbol, which is why the ruling class has chosen a black man to be the next president, (And don't be mistaken, it is the ruling class, not the mass of voters, that has chosen the next president)...
That's just it, isn't it? People defending Obama's victory as one of the left are implicitly assuming that the people chose him. We should all know by now that, in capitalism, we don't get to choose anything. The more we pretend that we do, the less we'll advance in a revolutionary direction.

Leo
8th November 2008, 15:14
Lincoln as he moved toward emancipation and, later, expressed sympathy toward workers in the class struggle. (See the Lincoln quote in my signature as an example.)

I was actually meaning to ask you something about that, you know that it goes on like this don't you: The strongest bond of human sympathy, outside of the family relation, should be one uniting all working people, of all nations, and tongues and kindreds. Nor should this lead to a war upon property, or the owners of property. Property is the fruit of labor; property is desirable; is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise."


Obama has distanced himself from the 'left' and the Black movement, but it's a 'victory' that he was elected.
Oh yeah, victory for him and the Dems, sure...

It is not a victory for black workers nor is it in any case a blow on racism, it's not a victory for the American proletariat since attacks on them will continue to worsen. Obama is as imperialist as Bush and stated clearly his militaristic intentions. Just give it a few years; his name will have a worse reputation that that of Bush.

Here's the EKS statement on Obama's election, published in Libcom:

http://libcom.org/news/everything-must-change-so-it-can-stary-exactly-the-same-07112008

Martin Blank
8th November 2008, 21:49
I was actually meaning to ask you something about that, you know that it goes on like this don't you: The strongest bond of human sympathy, outside of the family relation, should be one uniting all working people, of all nations, and tongues and kindreds. Nor should this lead to a war upon property, or the owners of property. Property is the fruit of labor; property is desirable; is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise."

Yes, I'm more than familiar, Leo. I never said that Lincoln was a communist or even a soft socialist. I said he was a radical democrat who led a democratic revolution in the U.S.

And let's remember that, comparatively speaking, Lincoln was a moderate in the Republican Party of that time.

ckaihatsu
8th November 2008, 22:54
heard this one from michael connery: it's that obama's administration will likely be much more vulnerable to protest activism than bush's was (or mccain's would've been).


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0850253/synopsis

Battle In Seattle (2007)

Its November 1999, and five days are about to rock the world as tens of thousands of demonstrators take to the streets of Seattle in protest of the World Trade Organizations Ministerial Meeting. Among them are Django (Andre Benjamin), Sam (Jennifer Carpenter), Lou (Michelle Rodriguez) and Jay (Martin Henderson). Each has a unique story, but they're united in a common desire to be heard and to make a difference in the world. For these four protesters, this is very personal and the stakes are higher than mere politics.

A peaceful demonstration to stop the WTO talks quickly escalates into a full-scale riot, and soon a State of Emergency is declared by the Mayor of Seattle. The streets are mayhem, and the WTO is paralyzed. Caught in the crossfire of civil liberties and keeping the peace are Seattle residents, including its beleaguered mayor (Ray Liotta), a riot cop on the streets (Woody Harrelson) and his pregnant wife (Charlize Theron). The choices they all make will change their lives forever.

Writer/Director Stuart Townsend brings together this talented ensemble to intertwine different points of view from protesters and police to delegates and doctors -- each of whom intentionally or accidentally find themselves on the streets of Seattle in those last days of the millennium. Townsend seamlessly merges footage of the real event with his fictional narrative. Ultimately, Battle in Seattle illustrates that even against incredible odds, ordinary people can change the world.

Leo
9th November 2008, 08:03
Yes, I'm more than familiar, Leo. I never said that Lincoln was a communist or even a soft socialist. I said he was a radical democrat who led a democratic revolution in the U.S.

And let's remember that, comparatively speaking, Lincoln was a moderate in the Republican Party of that time.

OK, fair enough then.

Bronsky
9th November 2008, 10:33
Obama is not a billionaire. And many of those people cheering and crying are African American voters who feel that this marks a significant turning point in race relations in the United States.

I am amazed how Obama’s election is seen as a step forward for Afro Americans and racial harmony in the USA. Will they or the other minorities be spared from the fall out of the economic crisis that Obama will attempt to fix on behalf of Big Business

If he had stood on a ticket that included far reaching racial legislation the claim for a historical change would be the case. But he went out of his way to avoid references to racial discrimination during his campaign especially in the states that were undecided by the polls.

Take a look at the worlds media after his election, you would think the American voters had one thing on their minds when they cast their vote Nov 4. yet polls taken at the polling stations say that race was a very minor issue, the economy and War being far and above the most worrying thing for the American people and the reason they voted as they did.

We have to look at the shift in the consciousness of the American people, yes they passed Obama’s colour by, but they voted for him on the ticket the Democrats put forward. The American working class have moved decisively to the left, way past the traditional party of the working class the Democrats who are about to be exposed like never before.

The economic crisis and the wars will open up major fissures between the working people and the Democrats and their President. There is no better time than for a real party of labour to come forward and stand at the head of the American people.

Bronsky
9th November 2008, 10:38
How was Kerensky any more of a "socialist" than Obama?


He said so:crying:

Lenin's Law
12th November 2008, 05:59
What is wrong with you???? This is a turning point in history, as a socialist you should be happy with the fact that this is one of the biggest steps forward in history against racism! And I think it extremely ignorant of you to say something like that...obama did not come from a rich family, and even if he did, what difference does it make? y is his background important??

Real materialist understanding you have there. Someone once said "being determines consciousness" might wanna look him up.

And I love the whole "y (sic) is his background important" but then point to his racial characteristics as being "historic."



like i said before he, is as fair left as it gets in american politics, so y not welcome it as a step forward?? I see obama's victory as hope, hope that maybe humanity isn't destroyed...


Which is completely false. He's not even "left" by Democratic Party standards: Kucinich, Dean, Waters, Gravel, Conyors, Barbara Lee, etc are well to the left of him. He ran on basically a Republican-lite platform of everything getting along, ending partisanship and ending political strife..not exactly leftist or even populist rhetoric.



What is wrong with his economic policy??


It's capitalist.



His aim is to tax the rich and give tax breaks to the poor. Is that not what we fight for? Fair distribution of wealth? I'm never though id say this on forum like this, but all of you complaining are extremely close minded, and that is definately not a socialist characteristic


He calls for allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire and returning to the tax level of Clinton/Reagan....you're calling that a "fair distribution of wealth?"

I don't think you would know the first thing about a "socialist characteristic" if Karl Marx slapped you in the face.

ckaihatsu
12th November 2008, 06:17
Take a look at the worlds media after his election, you would think the American voters had one thing on their minds when they cast their vote Nov 4. yet polls taken at the polling stations say that race was a very minor issue, the economy and War being far and above the most worrying thing for the American people and the reason they voted as they did.


I missed the cult's pilgrimage to Obama that took place here in Chicago, but I'd be impressed if the president-elect would bring up George W. Bush on war crimes charges for the 1,000,000 people killed in Afghanistan and Iraq....


Chris




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12th November 2008, 06:42
I did the math today, and Obama's tax cuts will amount to 40 dollars more a month on my paycheck. Hardly enough to save all those working class families struggling to get by. Hope and change? Hope and spare change perhaps. I hope the American working class enjoys the paltry sums of money they get back at the expense of third world blood.

zimmerwald1915
12th November 2008, 23:25
I don't think you would know the first thing about a "socialist characteristic" if Karl Marx slapped you in the face.
Is it so wrong that I'm thinking of sigging this?

ckaihatsu
13th November 2008, 04:32
[...] Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

Just something real quick,



Am I being overly sensitive and seeing totalitarian tendencies in places they are not, OR

is this image [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/3010591657_966ceb3d90.jpg ]

freaky as fuck?



Cordially in your face-

but still cordially,



[...]





Chris Kaihatsu <[email protected]> Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM

To: a[email protected]


[...], all,

National politics has become *so* detached from any regular person's
notion of substance that it is now, in effect, more like a
corporation, while corporations have become more like nation-states.

So we see the marketing of the pre-picked president, both before and
after the election, in the same style as an advertising campaign. The
outsourcing and professionalization of the process gives the product
(the presidency) a look-and-feel that is like any other advertising
promotional product that rolls off of the assembly line.

If it all feels eerily like fascism, it's no wonder -- politics is
starker than ever, now boiling down to a simple question: Are you with
Wall Street, or are you with Main Street? And political competition
among major nations is sharper than ever given the collapse of
conventional, financial-based valuations.

These days the elite is much more diverse, multicultural, and
international, while in the 20th century, while nation-states were
still industrializing, the elites were more national, and
correspondingly ethnicity-based in background and allegiance.

There's a very good thread on the Obama thing over at RevLeft -- I
find the board to be an excellent forum for one and all...!

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1282705&postcount=163

Take care, all the best to everyone....


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[...] Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:26 PM
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My impression of the posters and the slogans for Obama is that they were tailored by a firm of advertising consultants who probably do take their propaganda poster ideas from classic WWII era totalitarian propaganda. Regardless of who won the election it would be the same ad-men designing the posters of both parties. Modern advertising itself has its origins in imperialist war propaganda. Yes...its freaky alright.

Greetings to all,
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ckaihatsu
14th November 2008, 22:15
Black Agenda Report
Barack Obama: The Empire's New Clothes
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Wednesday, 12 November 2008

by Paul Street*

Barack Obama and his followers continue to revise the history of his
ascendance, pretending his campaign was rooted among the "outsiders."
The public line is a fiction, as even the most rudimentary research
reveals. In fact, Obama's own words document his intense courtship of
the rich and powerful. Unfortunately, "few if any of" Obama's
staunchest supporters "have bothered to read a single solitary word of
Obama's blatantly imperial, nationalist, and militarist foreign policy
speeches and writings," says the author. "And my sense is they never will."

Barack Obama: The Empire's New Clothes

*by Paul Street*

/"Obama is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance."/

"This is bigger than life itself. When I was coming up, I always
thought they put in who they wanted to put in. I didn't think my vote
mattered. But I don't think that anymore."

The speaker of these words is Deddrick Battle, a black janitor who grew
up in St. Louis's notorious Pruitt-Igoe housing projects during the
1950s and 1960s.

Battle was speaking about the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama. He
was quoted on the front page of last Sunday's /New York Times/ in a
story about the pride many African Americans are naturally feeling in
Obama's candidacy. The story contained numerous examples of American
blacks who have been encouraged by the Obama phenomenon to think for the
first time that "politics is for them, too" [1].

But, as The New York Times' editors certainly know, "they" still "put in
who they want to put in" to no small extent. The predominantly white
U.S. business and political establishment still makes sure that nobody
who questions dominant domestic and imperial hierarchies and doctrines
can make a serious ("viable") run for higher office - the presidency,
above all. It does this by denying adequate campaign funding (absolutely
essential to success in an age of super-expensive, media-driven
campaigns) and favorable media treatment (without which a successful
campaign is unimaginable at the current stage of corporate media
consolidation and power) to candidates who step beyond the narrow
boundaries of elite opinion. Thanks to these critical electoral filters
and to the legally mandated U.S. winner-take-all "two party" system [2],
a candidate who even remotely questions corporate and imperial power is
not permitted to make a strong bid for the presidency.

Barack Obama is no exception to the rule. Anyone who thinks he could
have risen to power without prior and ongoing ruling class approval is
living in a dream world.

*An Early and 'Quieter Audition' with the 'Moneyed Establishment.'*

Conventional wisdom holds that Obama entered national politics with his
instantly famous keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National
Convention. But, as Ken Silverstein noted in /Harper's/ in the fall of
2006, "If the speech was his debut to the wider American public, he had
already undergone an equally successful but much quieter audition with
Democratic Party leaders and fund-raisers, without whose support he
would surely never have been chosen for such a prominent role at the
convention."

The favorable elite assessment of Obama began in October of 2003. That's
when "Vernon Jordan, the well-known power broker and corporate
board-member who chaired Bill Clinton's presidential transition team
after the 1992 election, placed calls to roughly twenty of his friends
and invited them to a fund-raiser at his home. That event," Silverstein
noted, "marked his entry into a well-established Washington ritual-the
gauntlet of fund-raising parties and meet-and-greets through which
potential stars are vetted by fixers, donors, and lobbyists."

Drawing on his undoubted charm, wit, intelligence, and Harvard
credentials, Obama passed this trial with shining colors. At a series of
social meetings with assorted big "players" from the financial, legal
and lobbyist sectors, Obama impressed key establishment figures like
Gregory Craig (a longtime leading attorney and former special counsel to
the White House), Mike Williams (the legislative director of the Bond
Market Association), Tom Quinn (a partner at the top corporate law firm
Venable and a leading Democratic Party "power broker"), and Robert
Harmala, another Venable partner and "a big player in Democratic circles."

Craig liked the fact that Obama was not a racial "polarizer" on the
model of past African-American leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Williams was soothed by Obama's reassurances that he was not
"anti-business" and became "convinced...that the two could work together."

"There's a reasonableness about him," Harmala told Silverstein. "I
don't see him as being on the liberal fringe."

/"Elite financial, legal, and lobbyists contributions came into Obama's
coffers at a rapid and accelerating pace."/

By Silverstein's account, the good "word about Obama spread through
Washington's blue-chip law firms, lobby shops, and political offices,
and this accelerated after his win in the March [2004] Democratic
primary." Elite financial, legal, and lobbyists contributions came into
Obama's coffers at a rapid and accelerating pace [3].

The "good news" for Washington and Wall Street insiders was that Obama's
"star quality" would not be directed against the elite segments of the
business class. The interesting black legislator from the South Side of
Chicago was "someone the rich and powerful could work with." According
to Obama biographer and /Chicago Tribune/ reporter David Mendell, in
late 2003 and early 2004:

"Word of Obama's rising star was now spreading beyond Illinois,
especially through influential Washington political circles like blue
chip law firms, party insiders, lobbying houses. They were all hearing
about this rare, exciting, charismatic, up-and-coming African American
who unbelievably could win votes across color lines.....[his handlers
and] influential Chicago supporters and fund-raisers all vigorously
worked their D.C. contacts to help Obama make the rounds with the
Democrats' set of power brokers. ...Obama...spent a couple of days and
nights shaking hands making small talk and delivering speeches to
liberal groups, national union leaders, lobbyists, fund-raisers and
well-heeled money donors. In setting after setting, Obama's Harvard Law
resume and his reasonable tone impressed the elite crowd."

According to Mendell, Obama now cultivated the support of the privileged
few by "advocate[ing] fiscal restraint" and "calling for pay-as-you-go
government" and "extol[ing] the merits of free trade and charter
schools." He "moved beyond being an obscure good-government reformer to
being a candidate more than palatable to the moneyed and political
establishment." [4].

"Reasonable tone" was code language with a useful translation for
Obama's new business-class backers: "friendly to capitalism and its
opulent masters."

"On condition of anonymity," Silverstesin reported two years ago, "one
Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious:
that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn't see him as
a 'player.' The lobbyist added: 'What's the dollar value of a
starry-eyed idealist?'"

*Obama's 'Dollar Value'*

Since his election to the U.S. Senate and through the presidential
campaign, the "deeply conservative" (according to /New Yorker/ writer
Larissa MacFarquhar) Obama has done nothing to undermine his
"palatability" to concentrated economic and political power. He has made
his safety to the power elite evident on matters both domestic and
global, from his support for bailing out parasitic Wall Street financial
firms with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars (while claiming to
be "a free market guy" and proclaiming "love" for "capitalism") to his
refusal to question the morality of U.S. colonial wars and his strident
support for maintaining a globally unmatched "defense" (empire) budget
that accounts for nearly half the world's military spending. As Edward
S. Herman and David Peterson note in an important recent article, "in
2007-08, Obama has placated establishment circles on virtually every
front imaginable, the candidate of 'change we can believe in' has
visited interest group after interest group to promise them that they
needn't fear any change in the way they're familiar with doing business"
[5].
It's all very consistent with Obama's history stretching back to his
days as the Republican-pleasing editor of the Harvard Law Review and his
climb up the corporate-friendly politics of Chicago. As Ryan Lizza
noted in /The New Yorker/ last July, "Perhaps the greatest misconception
about Barack Obama is that he is some sort of anti-establishment
revolutionary. Rather, every stage of his political career has been
marked by an eagerness to accommodate himself to existing institutions
rather than tear them down or replace them" [6].

/"Obama enjoyed a remarkable windfall of favorable corporate media
coverage."/

Obama's business-friendly centrism helped him garner an astonishing,
record-setting stash of corporate cash. He received more than $33
million from "FIRE," the finance-real-estate and insurance sector. His
winnings include $824,202 from the leading global investment firm
Goldman Sachs [7]. He has been consistently backed by the biggest and
most powerful Wall Street firms.

At the same time and by more than mere coincidence, Obama enjoyed a
remarkable windfall of favorable corporate media coverage. That media
treatment was the key to Obama's success in winning support and
donations from the middle-class and from non-affluent people like
Deddrick Battle.

This does not mean that the Obama phenomenon has raised no concerns
among the rich and powerful. As Herman and Peterson note, "Obama's race,
his background, his enthusiastic, and less predictable constituency, and
the occasional slivers of populism that creep into his campaign, make
the establishment nervous, whereas Hillary Clinton and John McCain
clearly posed no such threat."

Still, the moneyed elite's most reactionary wing used its formidable
media and propaganda system to keep the Obama "movement" safely within
conservative boundaries. It employed a series of neo-McCarthyite
anti-radical and related racial scare tactics including the Jeremiah
Wright Affair and subsequent public relations campaigns surrounding
alleged Obama links to "terrorist" charter-school advocate William Ayers
and "radical professor" Rashid Khalidi. It has sought to link the
openly capitalist Obama to the "anti-American" threat of "socialism,"
alleging that that the harbors a nefarious desire to "redistribute" wealth.

*'Holding Domestic Constituencies in Check'*

At the same time, many in the establishment sensed (accurately) that
Obama is particularly well-suited to the goal of wrapping corporate
politics and the related American Empire Project in insurgent garb.
Their profit- and empire-based system and "leadership" has been behaving
so badly that a major image makeover is required to keep the rabble (the
citizenry) in line. Once he was properly "vetted" and found to be
"reasonable" - to be someone who would not fundamentally question
dominant power structures and doctrines - Obama's multicultural
background, race, youth, charisma, and even his early opposition to the
Iraq War became useful to corporate and imperial elites. His outwardly
progressive "change" persona is perfectly calibrated to divert, capture,
control, and contain coming popular rebellions. He is uniquely qualified
to simultaneously surf, de-fang, and "manage" the U.S. and world
citizenry's hopes for radical and democratic transformation in the wake
of the Bush-Cheney nightmare. As John Pilger warned last May:

"What is Obama's attraction to big business? Precisely the same as
Robert Kennedy's [in 1968]. By offering a 'new,' young and apparently
progressive face of Democratic Party - with the bonus of being a member
of the black elite - he can blunt and divert real opposition. That was
Colin Powell's role as Bush's secretary of state. An Obama victory will
bring intense pressure on the US antiwar and social justice movements to
accept a Democratic administration for all its faults. If that happens,
domestic resistance to rapacious America will fall silent" [8].

/"His outwardly progressive 'change' persona is perfectly calibrated to
divert, capture, control, and contain coming popular rebellions."/

Obama's race is no small part of what makes him "uniquely qualified" to
perform the key tasks of mass pacification for which he has been hired.
As Aurora Levins Morales noted in a Z Magazine essay written for left
progressives last April:

"We're far more potent as organizers and catalysts than as voters. Our
ability to create a world we can thrive on does not depend on who wins
this election, it depends on our ability to dismantle profit-based
societies in which greed trumps ethics. This election is about finding a
CEO capable of holding domestic constituencies in check as they are
further disenfranchised and... [about] mak[ing] them feel that they have
a stake in the military aggressiveness that the ruling class believes is
necessary. Having a black man and a white woman run helps to obscure
the fact that ...decline of empire is driving the political elite to the
right. Both [Obama and Hillary Clinton] represent very reactionary
politics...Part of the cleverness of having such candidates is the fact
that they will be attacked in ways that make oppressed people feel
compelled to protect them" [9].

*Imperial 'Re-branding'*

The logic works at the global as well as the domestic level. A
considerable segment of the U.S. foreign policy establishment thinks
that Obama's race, name (technically Islamic), experience living (Muslim
Indonesia, as a child) in and visiting (chiefly his father's homeland
Kenya) poor nations and his nominally anti-Iraq War history will help
them repackage the U.S. imperial project (replete with more than 730
military bases located in nearly every nation on Earth) in softer and
more politically correct cover [10]. John Kerry, who ran for the
presidency four years earlier largely on the claim that he would be a
more effective manager of empire (and the Iraq War) than George W. Bush
[11], was certainly thinking of these critical imperial "soft power"
assets when he praised Obama as someone who could "reinvent America's
image abroad" [11A]. So was Obama himself when he said the following to
reporters aboard his campaign plane in the fall of 2007:

"If I am the face of American foreign policy and American power, as long
as we are making prudent strategic decisions, handling emergencies,
crises, and opportunities in the world in an intelligent and sober
way....I think that if you can tell people, 'We have a president in the
White House who still has a grandmother living in a hut on the shores of
Lake Victoria and has a sister who's half-Indonesian, married to a
Chinese-Canadian,' then they're going to think that he may have a better
sense of what's going on in our lives and country. And they'd be right"
[12].

What Obama didn't tell reporters was that his idea of "prudent" and
"intelligent" foreign policy is strongly committed to U.S. global
hyper-militarism and world supremacy, including unilateral action
whenever "we" deem it necessary to "protect the American people and
their vital interests" [13].

Obama's distinctive biography is one of his great attractions to the
mostly white U.S. foreign policy elite in a majority non-white world
that has been deeply provoked and disgusted by U.S. behavior in the
post-9/11 era (and truthfully before). He is a perfect symbol of
deceptive imperial "re-branding." According to the power-worshipping and
unconsciously imperialist /New York Times/ columnist Nicholas Kristof
three weeks ago, the election of a black president "could change global
perceptions of the United States, redefining the American 'brand' to be
less about Guantanamo and more about equality" [14]. Never mind that
the U.S. remains the most unequal and wealth-top-heavy country in the
industrialized world by far, strongly dedicated to maintaining steep
socioeconomic and disparity within and between nations and scarred by a
domestic racial wealth gap of seven black cents on the white dollar.

Call it "the identity politics of foreign policy." The Empire wants new
clothes and Obama is just the man to wear them.

*"If there's anyone out there who still questions the power of our
democracy..."*

The first public words out of Obama's mouth on the evening of his
election were richly consistent with his assignment of restoring
legitimacy to the American System. "If there is anyone out there who
still doubts that America is a place where all things are
possible.....who still questions the power of our democracy," Obama
intoned, "tonight is your answer" [15].

Our supposed "left" President-Elect's first statement was NOT a call for
peace, justice, and equality. It wasn't a call for America to confront
the inseparably linked problems (what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. called
the "triple evils that are interrelated") of economic exploitation,
racism (deeply understood), and militarism-imperialism.

No, it was a Reagan-like declaration bolstering the American
plutocracy's ridiculous claim that the U.S. - the industrialized world's
most unequal and wealth-top-heavy society by far - is home to a great
democracy and limitless opportunity for all.

And what's with the word "still" (used twice) in Obama's assertion? It's
not exactly like the case for the U.S. being a great popular democracy
has been made with special, self-evident strength in recent times! The
last three-and-a-half decades have brought the deepening top-down
infliction of a sharply regressive corporate-neoliberal policies that
are widely (but irrelevantly) repudiated by the majority of U.S.
citizens [16].

In this century we've witnessed the execution of a monumentally criminal
petro-imperialist Iraq Invasion sold to the U.S. populace by a
spectacular state-media propaganda campaign (including preposterous
claims of noble democratic intent Obama has embraced) that mocked and
subverted the nation's democratic ideals. Dominant U.S. media's role in
the invasion of Iraq marks perhaps the all-time low point of the "free
press" in the U.S. [17]. The "democracy disconnect" - the gap (chasm
really) between majority public opinion (which supports things like
national universal health care, significant reductions in military
expenditure and imperial commitment, massive public works, reduced
corporate power, etc.) and "public" policy - is a widely acknowledged
problem in American political life [18]. The specter of homeland
totalitarianism - please see Sheldon Wolin's recent book/Democracy
Incorporated: Managed Democracy and the Specter of Inverted
Totalitarianism/ (Princeton, NJ, 2008) - has never loomed larger than in
the opening decade of the 21st century.

"If there is anyone out there who still questions the power of our
democracy"? Hello? How about: "Is there anybody who seriously thinks we
really have a functioning democracy in the U.S.?"

*Elections as Change*

"In all of the post-election noise," a student recently wrote me, "I
think one thing Obama said in his acceptance speech was completely right
on: the election itself is not the 'change' but simply the chance to
make the changes we have to make. I know, I know, Obama was the ruling
class candidate, but you have to admit that this represents at least
symbolically a very good (first) step."

In the fifth paragraph of his acceptance oration, however, the
President-Elect said that "because of what we did on this day, in this
election, at this defining moment, change has come to America." That
line (anyway) makes the election itself change.

Later in the speech Obama said that his election "proved that...a
government of the people, by the people and for the people has not
perished from this Earth" [19].

That was very premature. Whether or not that judgment proves accurate
remains to be seen and the answer is up to citizens, not politicians.
I'm no where near ready to put Wolin's book in the basement because of
the neoliberal "conciliator" [20] Barack Obama's election.

I've never said Obama was THE ruling class candidate, just A ruling
class candidate. And for what it's worth, I agree with Herman and
Peterson that the Obama phenomenon (not so much Obama but the
expectations surrounding him) causes some anxiety in establishment
circles [21] - as well it should.

*'Carefully Crafting the Obama Brand'*

"Our campaign," Obama announced last Tuesday night, "was not hatched in
the halls of Washington" [22].

Yes it was. "One evening in February 2005, in a four-hour meeting stoked
by pepperoni pizza and great ambition," the /Chicago Tribune/ reported
last year, "Senator Barack Obama and his senior advisors crafted a
strategy to fit the Obama 'brand.'" The meeting took place just weeks
after Obama had been sworn into the upper representative chamber of the
United States government. According to the/Tribune's/ Washington Bureau
reporters Mike Dorning and Christi Parsons, in an article titled
"Carefully Crafting the Obama Brand":

"The charismatic celebrity-politician had rocketed from the Illinois
state legislature to the U.S. Senate, stirring national interest. The
challenge was to maintain altitude despite the limited tools available
to a freshman senator whose party was in a minority."

"Yet even in those early days, Obama and his advisors were thinking
ahead. Some called it the '2010-2012-2016' plan: a potential bid for
governor or re-election to the Senate in 2010, followed by a bid for the
White House as soon as 2012, not 2016. The way to get there, they
decided, was by carefully building a record that matched the brand
identity: Obama as a unifier and consensus builder, and almost
postpolitical leader."

"The staffers in that after-hours session, convened by Obama's Senate
staff and including Chicago political advisor David Axlerod, planned a
low-profile strategy that would emphasize workhorse results over
headlines. Obama would invest in the long-term profile by not seeming
too eager for the bright lights" [23].

This /Tribune/ story suggests a degree of cynicism, manipulation, and
ambition that does not fit very well with the progressive and hopeful
likeness that the Obama campaign projected. The politician being sold
would make sure to seem non-ambitious and humble. But, by Dorning and
Parsons' account, Obama and his team were actually and quite eagerly all
about "the bright lights" and "the headlines" in a "long-term" sense.
They were already scheming for the presidency less than a month into his
Senate seat.

/"For Obama and his team the Senate was largely a marketing platform for
the Next Big Thing."/

The image of Obama as a humble and hardworking rookie who got along with
his colleagues across partisan lines was part of their marketing
strategy on the path to higher - the highest - office. Obama may have
just become only the third black to sit in the U.S. Senate since
Reconstruction, but for Obama and his team the Senate was largely a
marketing platform for the Next Big Thing - a place to build his image
as a "unifier" and "consensus builder." The term "Obama brand" suggested
the commodified nature of a political culture that tends to reduce
elections to corporate-"crafted" marketing contests revolving around
candidate images packaged and sold by corporate consultants and public
relations experts.

The fact that presidential opportunity knocked four years before 2012
does not alter the basic point.

Other "halls" of wealth and power also "hatched" Obama: LaSalle Street
(Chicago's financial district), Wall Street (Goldman Sachs alone gave
Obama nearly $900,000 for the 2007-08 campaign), and the monopoly media
[24].

*Power Elite Cabinet Appointments*

Those remaining bizarre individuals on the lunatic fringe who "still
question the power of our democracy" are going to be entertained and/or
nauseated by "Obama Inc.'s" cabinet appointments. As the balmy populist
warmth of Election Day (75 degrees and blue skies as I knocked doors in
rural Iowa) gives way to the big chill (it was freezing in Iowa City by
Friday) of corporate-imperial governance, Obama has already named the
brass-knuckled power-elite enforcer Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of staff.
This is a slap in the face to leftish progressives who think the next
president is one of them.

Emmanuel is a former leading member of the corporate-neoliberal
Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). Formed by business-oriented elites
to increase the Democratic Party's distance from labor,
environmentalism, blacks, and Civil Rights, the DLC's mission was to
steer the party closer to the corporate, imperial, southern, suburban,
and racially accomodationist center. It's goal was to advance
post-partisan convergence between Democratic and Republican agendas and
to impose economically and racially regressive polices underneath the
cloak of "progressive" strategy and "pragmatic" "realism."

Emmanuel was a leading Clinton administration agent of the
corporate-globalizationist investors-rights bill called the "North
American Free Trade Agreement." He is a leading liaison between
corporate funding sources and the Democratic Party.

The son a wealthy Israeli doctor, he is a fierce defender of Israel's
apartheid regime and its illegal occupation of Palestine.

He played a critical role in favoring conservative and pro-war Democrats
over progressive antiwar Democrats during the 2006 congressional primaries.

The rest of Obama's cabinet appointments should follow in much the same
vein. Expect Republican imperialist Robert Gates (who advocated the
straight-up U.S. bombing of Nicaragua in the name of the Monroe Doctrine
during the early 1980s) to stay on as "Defense" Secretary for at least a
year. In the campaign home stretch, Obama bought into the noxious notion
that the Bush-Patraeus-Gates "Surge" is "working" ("beyond our wildest
dreams" he told FOX News thug Bill O'Reilly) in Iraq

We will certainly get somebody from the neoliberal Wall-Street-Goldman
Sachs-Harvard-University of Chicago-Hamilton Group crowd in Treasury - a
seasoned state-capitalist apparatchik who understands the need to bail
out the wealthy Few, not ordinary homeowners and workers. Top Obama
economic adviser Lawrence Summers could well be brought in, despite (a)
his scandalous claim that females are genetically unfit for science; (b)
his claim (as World Bank economist) that Africa was under-polluted since
people don't live very long there anyway; and (c) his critical role
(along with Robert Rubin, another possibility at Treasury) in advancing
the financial deregulation that helped create the recent meltdown of
U.S. and global financial markets.

Look for a foreign policy post of some sort to go to Richard Holbrooke,
a major Iraq War Hawk, largely indistinguishable from Paul Wolfowitz on
Iraq and the broader Middle East. Holbrooke's resume includes
authorizing (during his time as a State Department functionary in the
Carter administration) the continued sale of arms to Indonesia while its
military conducted a genocidal invasion of East Timor during the middle
and late 1970s.

I could go on.

*'I Can't Read That'*

Are progressive people I used to like and take seriously really going to
let themselves be turned into hopeless reactionaries and/or fools by the
Obama phenomenon?

The progressive filmmaker Michael Moore says this on his Web site:
"Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been
elected president during a time of war" [25]. Obama is an "anti-war
candidate?" Yes, and Love is Hate. I tried to write Moore to suggest
that he read my book's fourth chapter (titled "How 'Antiwar'? Obama,
Iraq, and the Audacity of Empire"), but his mailbox was full.

A left labor historian I've worked with has admonished me for
criticizing Obama, who (the historian hopes) will bring the Employee
Free Choice Act (re-legalizing and expanding unions). Well, the EFCA is
in Obama's policy book and I'm going to work for it but mark my words:
it'll have to be fought for tooth-and-nail against the likes of Emanuel,
Summers, and Obama's own "deeply conservative" [26] instincts. (This
morning on ABC, the neoconservative commentator and Obama fan George
Will said that president Obama might well be pleased to see the EFCA
fail since it could end up being for the new administration what "gays
in the military" was for Bill Clinton).

An old friend used to be a very smart Marxist and was an early member of
SDS - a real New Leftist. She refused to be given - yes, refused to be
given - a copy of my very careful and respectful book on the Obama
phenomenon. "I can't read that," she said. Some of the names on the
back of the book (Adolph Reed Jr., Noam Chomsky, and John Pilger) are
former icons of hers (she introduced me to the writings of Adolph Reed,
Jr in the mid-1990s.) but now she's in love with Obama. "It's the best
thing that could happen," she says about his election. She's
repudiated her radical past and agrees with centrist American Enterprise
Institute (AEI) "scholar" Norman Ornstein's recent ravings on how "the
left" must not press Obama for very much right now (Ornstein's
AEI-funded admonitions have recently been broadcast again and again
across America's wonderful "public" broadcasting stations ("N'PR and
"P"BS) because of, you know, "the economy" and all.

Paul Krugman in the /New York Times/ (a left-liberal Obama critic during
the primary campaign) says there's "something wrong with you" if you
weren't "teary-eyed" about Obama's election [27]. Yes, numerous other
radicals and I need to be put under psychiatric care because we didn't
cry over the militantly bourgeois and openly imperialist Obama's
presidential selection.

We have the increasingly unglued white anti-racist Tim Wise screaming
"Screw You" to Obama's harshest radical critics [28] - this after
recklessly charging racism against working-class whites [29] Wise 2008b)
and Hillary Clinton supporters [30] who had any issues with (the
racially conciliatory) Obama.

Half-progressive liberals I know in Iowa City (white-academic-Obamaist
ground zero) ask my opinion of the election. I express the slightest
hint of substantive, evidence-based left critique/concern and they turn
away.

The local bookstore, run by progressives (left-liberal Edwards
supporters during the Iowa Caucus), is wiling to sell my book but "too
scared" to have an author event.

Few if any of these people have bothered to read a single solitary word
of Obama's blatantly imperial, nationalist, and militarist foreign
policy speeches and writings. And my sense is they never will. They do
not care about such primary sources in the ongoing history of the Obama
phenomenon.

For the last two years talking to many liberals and avowed
"progressives" I know about Obama - who I picked to be the next
president in the fall of 2006 (I thought he was too simultaneously
irresistible to both the power elite and the liberal base not to
prevail) - has been like talking to Republicans about George W. Bush and
the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and 2004: no room for messy and
inconvenient facts.

I am hearing people of color identify with the occupations of
Afghanistan and Iraq in ways that would be unimaginable without Obama.
This may be the worst thing of all.

Obama is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance - a tour de force for
the ruling class.

He has been chosen to wear the Empire's new clothes. He is the "managed
democracy's" fake-progressive public relations makeover at home and abroad.

Meanwhile the real heartland white fascists - the ones Wise doesn't make
up - are buying up assault weapons at a record pace.

Such is the dark authoritarian reality of U.S. political culture lurking
behind the pride and excitement felt by Deddrick Battle and many other
poor and black voters who have been inspired by the Obama phenomenon to
think that "politics is for them too." President Obama can be counted on
to use their new faith in reactionary and imperial ways reflecting
hidden allegiance to the timeworn elite principle that really big
matters of politics and policy are for the rich and powerful - not
ordinary citizens. At the end of the day Obama's job is to keep the
restless poor, working class, and global Many safely pacified while
serving the needs of the wealthy and imperial Few. It's a deadly
juggling act that could have terrible consequences. How long he can
maintain the illusion of serving the interests of the people and the
elite at one and the same time is an open question.

The sooner seriously left agitators and activists can expose the
corporate-imperial truth behind the progressive Obama fa?ade to
disenfranchised people at home and abroad, the quicker we can get to
real social and democratic change beyond the ruling class's latest
quadrennial candidate-centered electoral extravaganza.

/Paul Street's books include Empire and Inequality: America and the
World Since 9/11 (Boulder, CO: Paradigm, 2004); Racial Oppression in the
Global Metropolis (New York, 2007), and most recently Barack Obama and
the Future of American Politics (Boulder, CO: Paradigm, September 2008).
Paul can be reached [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]

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NOTES

1. Susan Saulny, "Obama-Inspired Black Voters Find Politics is For Them
Too," New York Times, November 2, 2008, sec.1, p. 1.

2. In deciding against "fusion" electoral options (which would allow a
voter to select Obama [or McCain] in the name of the Green Party or any
other non-mainstream party), the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the
nation has an interest in restricting the number of viable political
parties to just two.

3. Ken Silverstein, "Barack Obama, Inc.: The Birth of a Washington
Machine," Harper's (November 2006).

4. David Mendell, Obama: From Promise to Power (New York: HarperCollins,
2007), pp. 248-49.

5. Edward S Herman and David Peterson, "Jeremiah Wright in the
Propaganda System," Monthly Review, September 2008, pp. 3-4; Paul
Street, Barack Obama and the Future of American Politics (Boulder, CO:
Paradigm, 2008). For Obama as "deeply conservative," see Larissa
MacFarquhar, "The Conciliator: Where is Barack Obama Coming From?" The
New Yorker (May 7, 2007). According to MacFarquhar, "In his view of
history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world
can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative."

6. Ryan Lizza, "Making It: How Chicago Shaped Obama," The New Yorker,
(July 21, 2008).

7. Center for Responsive Politics, "Open Secrets," Barack Obama's
Campaign Finance Profile, read at www.opensecetrs.org
<http://www.opensecetrs.org/> (accessed on November 2, 2008).

8. John Pilger, "After Bobby Kennedy There Was Barack Obama," Common
Dreams, May 31, 2008, read
atwww.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/31/9327/
<http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/31/9327/>.

9. Aurora Levins Morales, "Thinking Outside the Ballot Box," Z Magazine
(April 2008).

10. James Traub, "Is (His) Biography (Our) Destiny?" New York Times
Magazine (November 4, 2007). See also Liza Mundy, "A Series of
Fortunate Events: Barack Obama Needed More Than Talent and Ambition to
Rocket From Obscure State Senator to Presidential Contender in Three
Years," Washington Post Magazine (August 12, 2007).

11. See Paul Street, "Bush, Kerry, and 'Body Language' v. 'Message':
Notes on Race, Gender, Empire and Mass Infantilization," ZNet Magazine
(October 12, 2004).

11A. John F. Kerry, "Truly Transformative," Newsweek (April 28, 2008): 34.

12. Quoted in Traub, "Is (His) Biography (Our) Destiny?"

13. For truly ugly details, please see the fourth chapter - titled "How
'Antiwar?' Obama, Iraq, and the Audacity of Empire" - in my book Barack
Obama and the Future of American Politics.

14. Nicholas Kristof, "Rebranding the U.S. With Obama," The New York
Times, October 23, 2008, p. A27.

15. Barack Obama, "Remarks on Election Night," Chicago, IL (November 4,
2008), read
athttp://www.barackobama.com/2008/11/04/remarks_of_presidentelect_bara.php

16. For one among many sources, see see Jeff Faux, /The Global Class
War: How America's Bipartisan Elite Lost Our Future and What It Will
Take to Win it Back/(New York: Wiley, 2006).

17. For some important recent reflections, see John Bellamy Foster,
Hannah Holleman, and Robert W. McChesney, "The Military/Industrial/Media
Triangle," Monthly Review (October 2008), pp. 15-16.

18. For sources and details, see Paul Street, "Americans' Progressive
Opinions vs. 'The Shadow Cast on Society by Big Business,'" ZNet
Sustainer Commentary (May 15, 2008), read
at http://www.zmag.org/zspace/commentaries/3491.

19. Obama, "Remarks on Election Night."

20. MacFarquhar, "The Conciliator."

21. Herman and Peterson, "Jeremiah Wright."

22. Obama, "Remarks."

23. Mike Dorning and Christi Parsons, "Carefully Crafting the Obama
Brand,"/Chicago Tribune/, 12 June, 2007, sec.1. p.1.

24. Ken Silverstein, "Obama, Inc.: The Birth of a Washington Machine,"
Harper's (November 2006); Center for Responsive Politics 2008, Mendell,
Obama: From Promise to Power; Paul Street, Barack Obama and the Future
of American Politics (Boulder, CO: Paradigm, September 2008), pp. xvii-72.

25. Michael Moore, "Pinch Me," ZNet (November 5, 2008), read
athttp://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/19359. And what's with
this "time of war" crap? Is Moore dodging IEDs and mortar shells on his
way to and from his filming locations or home? Are they imposing
nighttime blackouts and rationing scarce war materials in Moore's
hometown of Flint or anywhere else in the U.S.?

The American Empire has undertaken two vicious and one-sided
petro-colonial occupations in oil- and gas-rich Southwest Asia. It is
not imposing anything like wartime rigors on the imperial homeland.

26. MacFarquhar, "The Conciliator."

27. Paul Krugman, "The Obama Agenda," New York Times, November 7, 2008.

28. Tim Wise, "Good and Now Back to Work," ZNet (November 6, 2008), read
at http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/19398

29. Tim Wise "This is How Fascism Comes," Red Room (October 11, 2008),
read at
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-how-fascism-comes-reflections-cost-silence.

30. Tim Wise, "Your Whiteness is Showing," LIP Magazine (June 5, 2008),
read at http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/WhitenessShowing.html
<http://www.lipmagazine.org/%7Etimwise/WhitenessShowing.html>