An Opening Thought - Why are there so few capitalist message

[ElCapitan]

Hello all,

I have not had a chance to read through all the ideology offered on this site, but I must start by letting you know that I am an entrepreneur and supporter of the free-market economic systems.

I'm probably not going to make many friends here, but I am looking for intelligent opposition, not camraderie.

My first thought is......
As I did a search on google for "Capitalist messageboards" there weren't any on the first page. I will admit that I haven't done much research on the subject, it seemed to me that there were many more communist and socialist forums and chats then there are capitalist. While I suppose it could be argued that this is because socialism is better, I will propose a different arguement.

I propose that it is because people in favor of the capitalist system are too busy making a living and trying to improve their quality of living through hard work to spend time on such non-productive pursuits. While I understand that communication and discussion is important, I think that contributing to the economy and adding value to the lives of those around you is much more important.

Would anyone here care to voice a different opinion?

[antieverything]

Ummm...the reason for that is, most supporters of capitalism don't refer to themselves as capitalists. They don't have to seeing as almost all western political movements ARE capitalist. Instead, capitalists associate themselves with subdivisions of the capitalist ideology. Liberals and Conservatives, for instance.

Try searching for "conservative", "libertarian", or "classical liberal".

[Anonymous]

Here are a few:

http://www.libertyforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

http://www.freerepublic.com

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/forum/

http://pub175.ezboard.com/bwaronterrorbbs


(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 10:41 pm on May 18, 2003)

[hazard]

thats an awesome question, and a great first response

are you trying to imply that if the majority of the world was communist there would be more capitalist message boards? like it is the desire of the youth to rebel against the system that rules them? if so, I don't know what to say. I'd like to think that communism transcends the idea that revolution is based on youth ( ie. growth energy ) and is instead based upon social conditions.

[Liberty Lover]

http://www.protestwarrior.com/

This one is good.

It's had about 10, 000 posts in around two months

[hazard]

what a disgustng site. is it like homo erotic or something? whats with the naked dude with the sword? I didn't know that was your bag, lover, but who am I to judge?

[Liberty Lover]

Here we go then:
[edit by pete: warning:porn]
http://www.mythumbspot.com/03-0504/03-0504...4-tpstgi247.htm (http://www.mythumbspot.com/03-0504/03-0504-tpstgi247.htm)




(Edited by CrazyPete at 10:35 pm on May 19, 2003)

[mentalbunny]

I think that yes, capitalists are out there working, that is not necessarily the right thing to do. As a leftist I am aware of other values apart from the consumerist ones we are told to follow by society as a whole. Leftists value discussion with a wide range of people, which is why there are a fair few leftist message boards.

It is also a chance to talk to other internet users who may not necessarily be politically aware in their usual lives, and it gives us a chance to communicate with each other about various issues, which are not always political. Messagebaords are often used by leftists who are on a daily basis surrounding by conservatives, etc, and the boards are used to keep in touch with other leftists.

Also most leftists' lives are centred around their political leanings, so it is pretty natural for them to vist a leftist site if they are going to visit any site on the net at all. Right-wingers don't need to think about their ideology, it's all aruond them and seen as normal so for the most part they don't need to discuss it.

And Liberty Lover, that link was just uncalled for!

[Exploited Class]

Liberty Lover:

On links like that in the future could you please put a NSFW or just say Not Safe For Work.

It is common Internet Posting Etiquette.

Thank you.

[hazard]

thanks pete

that might have saved me my slave position, although it would not have saved my position as a slave

[Liberty Lover]

And Liberty Lover, that link was just uncalled for!

Sorry :cheesy:

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

In response to lover's signature, Socialism is...worship of the state... and what exactly do you call it when Americans close their minds to anything that sounds anti-US-government policy, and start mocking the French people's speech just for opposing the US Gov, and when US companies try to boycot French products, and when they wave flags all over the place? I by the way, a Marxist, am highly opposed to much of the peoples' subjection to the government in N. Korea, China, or the USSR. I am not condeming these nations of doing this, it is just what I hear. Unlike capies, i do not believe everything I hear on FOX news.

In response to the topic at hand, I think that our presence here and our union here is what is going to give us an edge when the revolution comes 'round. I also find it much more productive to sit at our computers consipiring to Socialize the world, than to sit and watch TV like the rest of Americans are doing about now.

[Nick Yves]

To answer your original question is quite simple.

Why arent there as many Capitalist message boards as there are Communist ones? Well...I think the main reason is because Communism has a much bigger IDEA behind it, wich needs to be discussed.

[Nobody]

The reason there are more leftist message boards is we are the minority and you pigs are the majority (for now), of course when the revolution comes . . .

[synthesis]

My response to the original question has two answers.

Firstly, capitalists have no need to collaborate on the means of implementing their system of choice. It's already implemented. This is sort-of like antieverything's point.

The logical offspring of the first reason is that capitalism and communism were wholly different in their means of conception. Capitalism occured relatively 'naturally' - it accompanied the creation, rise, and rule of the middle class out of the European serfdoms and burgesses. Communism, however, was deliberately conceived as an idea by a select few group of individuals, later refined by various intellectuals and eventually implemented by such, with a few notable exceptions, such as the Paris Commune.

Communist websites on the internet are meeting grounds for the new generation of Marxists - individuals - to gather, as our ideology must be consciously developed and refined, standing in contrast to capitalism, which adapts itself to any new challenge it might face. Sort of like the two systems' respective economies ;)

[YKTMX]

Firstly, in response to the original poster. I object to the incinuation that socialists are layabouts and don't "work". We live in a capitalist society and to survive you have to sell your labour, that's the way of it. I've never seen the figures, but I'm sure unemployment amongst "socialists" must be lower than general members of the public, seen as Union membership is such an important part of working class solidarity. Also, the belief that we live in some sort "you get what you deserve" meritocracy is the greatest fallacy of western capitalism. The idea that some managing director earns 100 times more than someone cleaning toilets because he "earned it", is quite laughable.