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coberst
3rd November 2008, 11:01
Democracy’s Faustian Bargain: Never Facing Reality until…

The fundamental weakness of democracy is that it rests upon the deep fallacy of human propensities: we pamper our self with delusion as long as possible. We never make drastic changes until the abyss is tomorrow.

Quickie from wiki: “Something that is faustian refers to a wider interpretation of the events of Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. In part one of Goethe's Faust, the central character's pact with the devil allows him to have energy, life and youth unless he becomes so entranced by the passing moment that he wishes that things will never change. When Faust stumbles unthinkingly into that wish, his world and his life are forfeit to Mephistopheles.”

St. Augustine’s plea: “Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.”

We use technology to paint our self onto the precipice and then rely on technology to save us from falling into the abyss.

“The religious believer assigns dignity to whatever his religion holds sacred—a set of moral laws, a way of life, or particular objects of worship. He grows angry when the dignity of what he holds sacred is violated.” Quote from “The End of History and the Last Man” by Francis Fukuyama

To what does the non believer assign dignity? If the non believer does not assign dignity to rationality, upon what foundation does s/he stand? If the non believer does depend upon rationality for dignity how is it possible that so few know anything about rationality?

Our schools and colleges are beginning to introduce our young people to the domain of knowledge called Critical Thinking. CT is taught because our educators have begun to recognize that teaching a young person what to think is not sufficient for the citizens of a democracy in an age of high technology. CT is an attempt to teach young people how to think. Like the adage about giving a man a fish versus teaching him how to fish, a youngster who knows how to think is prepared for a lifetime rather than for a day.

What about today’s adult? Today’s adult was educated in a time when schools and colleges never gave universal instruction in the art and science of thinking—rationality.

If today’s adult wishes to learn CT s/he must learn it on ‘their nickel’. I think a good read to begin with is this one:

http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Educ/EducHare.htm (http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Educ/EducHare.htm)

JimmyJazz
3rd November 2008, 15:08
coberst is a notorious and prolific spammer (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4173512#post4173512).

Hit The North
3rd November 2008, 15:39
It's not spam to post the same piece on different message boards. Anyway, I see no reason to take any action except to invite anybody who's interested to respond to his post.

ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd November 2008, 16:03
Jesus H Christ coberst, how did you manage to follow me back from the Stardestroyer.net forums? I apologise to all concerned, it won't happen again. :D

As to his post, it's a pretentious word salad that's trying to sound erudite and profound. Nothing we need bother ourselves with.

coberst
3rd November 2008, 18:34
It's not spam to post the same piece on different message boards. Anyway, I see no reason to take any action except to invite anybody who's interested to respond to his post.

Marvelous, you are one of first individuals that I have encountered to give a reasoned response to this spam nonsense. Thank you.

ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd November 2008, 18:47
Marvelous, you are one of first individuals that I have encountered to give a reasoned response to this spam nonsense. Thank you.

Geez Bob, don't encourage this self-important cross-poster. :rolleyes:

JimmyJazz
3rd November 2008, 20:07
Bob, you're the first person in history to elicit an actual response from this guy. Otherwise he just posts threads and disappears. I've seen it on two boards.

Rosa Lichtenstein
3rd November 2008, 22:50
I think this should be in Theory.

ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd November 2008, 23:04
Bob, you're the first person in history to elicit an actual response from this guy. Otherwise he just posts threads and disappears. I've seen it on two boards.

From another forum:


All of the randomly mocking replies in this thread have one point in common: your initial post is a load hopelessly vague, self-important pseudophilosophical bullshit filled with completely missed analogies and hasty generalizations transparent to everybody who reads it. You want people to understand your points? How about expressing them clearly, tootsie?I couldn't have put it better myself.