9/11 cell phone calls - A pile of absolute garbage

[peaccenicked]

Here is the evidence.
http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/me...ase_030427.html (http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/media_release_030427.html)

[chamo]

I have my doubts about the alledged "Fake Hijacking" but this guy has done his research quite well.

[Moskitto]

urm, it just occurs to me, don't mobile phones mess up inflight electronics?

[hazard]

well, if the hijackings were faked, what went down? radio controlled aeroplanes? and who controlled them? russians, chinese or middle easterns?

[Urban Rubble]

The link didn't work for me.

From what I've read in your posts in seems like you're talking about one of the 9-11 conspiracy theories, right ? I've read a few of these. The thing with conspiracy theories is, they almost ALWAYS sound well researched and thought out, that doesn't make them true. I wish that link worked.

As for Moskitto's question, I know they don't do that much because I've used my phone on a plane more than once. I think it's more like if 300 people used them all at once it would fuck it up, they're proabably just covering their asses.

[hazard]

I thought it was fishy that some calls were made under meagtonnes of rubble

apparantly, the world trade center housed all of the cell phone communications links

so, when they went down, NO calls should have been able to be made

and yet, there are those horrible calls of people supposedly buried under megatonnes of debris crying and weeping and gasping and shit

BULLSHIT

its propaganda to make a "terrible" event look even worse

[chamo]

The authors theory is that it was a stunt by the CIA so that Bush could justify going into Afghanistan, and then Iraq and make accusations at the "Axis of Evil". I have no comment on anything, however.

[Urban Rubble]

What's this about people calling from under the rubble ? I'd like to hear more about that if possible, like I said the link didn't work for me.

[Rastafari]

This is interesting. I would like to here some of the capitalists explanations, beyond "Cut the conspiracy Crap."

This, like so many topics on the Opp. Ideologies forum has potential, lets try to manifest it.

[Umoja]

http://www.guerrillafunk.com

Check out his theories on 9-11.

[hazard]

peacenicked's article is about calls made from the planes, which are, according to the experiments conducted AND common sense, completely impossible

cell phone "towers" are placed about one for every 5 km's to create a "static network" for the phones. these range is directed horizontally, and NOT vertically. even assuming their range extends vertically and based on the 5km spacing, thats only 5000 metres, in the air, worth of range. which is FAR less than the calls made at 20'000 feet.

then there are those calls made by people buried. I heard about these within the first couple of weeks following the evnt. of course, TV news propaganda were the source. and of course, this propaganda was not well thought out. the WTC was the communications nexus for virtually all of new york. when it went down, so too did the cellular network. nevbermind the megatonnes of rubble that would easily have blocked the signals. THERE SIMPLY WAS NO NETWORK TO BROADCAST THE SIGNALS! it would be like talking into a telephone with the cord cut.

anyway, these fake calls had people sobbing and moaning and gasping and crying and saying how scared they were and afraid to die and the other people saying that they will be rescued and shit. all horsehit propaganda. the notion itself is rather disturbing, I remeber thinking how terrible it would have been for the people trapped AND the people receiving the calls. and then how terrible it was that the media was exploiting these horrible instances to incite anger and fear throughout an already frightened population. disgusting.

[Totalitarian]

The possible Israeli connection to 9/11 is also interesting. Israel is the only country to have gained from the attacks, in the way of US military & $$ assistance.

http://www.antiwar.com/israelfiles2.html

[themanwill]

Urban Rubble. Cell phone do fuck up the inflight electronics of planes. It may be that they cause a dial to give an incorrect reading but just because the plane doesn't crash does not mean that the phone has not affected the plane in other ways

[Urban Rubble]

No, actually they don't fuck up the plane every time. There is a CHANCE that alot of electronic activity COULD mess with one of their dials, but it usually doesn't.

[hazard]

yeah, cd players too apparently. not enough to fuck up the flight but enough to interfer with instrument readings and communications and shit.

[Tasha]

Just ask who would benefit from this and who has a history of doing such acts. question answered

[hazard]

tasha, please elaborate. there are a number of ideas floating around on this one. I would assume that you are refering to america doing to itself. however, why such a prominent target that is so representative of capitalism itself?

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Tasha on 4:00 am on May 19, 2003
Just ask who would benefit from this and who has a history of doing such acts. question answered


Israel benefits.

Israel has already attacked the USA in 1967.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

[peaccenicked]

http://www.ussliberty.org/

[hazard]

Im not sure what I think about blaming israel. I ussually attribute racist hatred for the story of israel attacking an american vesel. but I may be wrong.

Israel surely has much to gain, but whether that means they're responsible for 911 remains to be seen.

[peaccenicked]

No one can prove very much.
There are things to consider in MOSSAD involvement. Foreknowledge, strategic planning,technical planning.
Some of these questions are gone into here by Justin Riamondo who is hardly anti semitic.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/dea1.html
For wider information on the conspiracy/unanswered questions debate.
http://www.hereinreality.com/conspiracy

[Liberty Lover]

http://www.hereinreality.com/games/concentration.html
:biggrin:

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Tasha on 4:00 am on May 19, 2003
Just ask who would benefit from this and who has a history of doing such acts. question answered


Well I think it is important to think about just that, "Who has something to benefit from all of it."

A new department was added onto the existing government deptartment of homeland defense.

Defense contractors got a lot out of it. New cameras, large databses, Total Information Awereness Program.

Airlines got large checks for bail out because of it.

Rights have been eroded for us, giving the powers in charge more power to do what they want. Phone line tappings, searches..ect.

Border patrols increased in size.

Tax cuts for the rich from a devastated economy, large corporate bail out funds for buisnesses so they wouldn't lay off people, however they still did.

The big ones.
Larger approval poll ratings for the President.

A pipeline in afghanistan that they have been trying to get put in there for years.

The oil of Iraq.

The country of Iraq.

The flexing of military might, huge increase in military spending. 400 Billion plus many extra discretionary funds spending.

You have to understand that the #2 spender in military is Russia at just a measly 60 Billion, our homeland security defense department is a little over 30 billion.

I'd say our modern day kings and queens got a lot more out of this than the terrorists did.

I don't think we flew them in, I just don't think we had any reason to stop it.

[Tasha]

I agree with everything you have said. I wrote that without an answer in mind. There is absolutely no solid evidence that any arab nations were involved. Which actually leaves Israel and the United states on a higher level of probability of this simply because they have more to gain than "revenge" or whatever. The united states past consists of bullshit propaganda which doesnt help with their supposebly solid evidence either. We really cannot say that this person or that person did it. But someone did it and there is probabilities that you can look at and have to decide for yourself.

[Tkinter1]

There are satellite phones(I think thats what they're called) built into every seat. These can be used from any altitude. chances are that is what they used.

Do you really think the "conspirators" would have overlooked this rather important detail?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 3:45 am on May 23, 2003)