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T Blair
14th May 2003, 04:24
This is why I spit on the Commie!

huccckkk spuuuuuut!

Last week it was revealed that Sweden imposed forced sterilization for 40 years, a practice that ended only in 1976. During this period, some 62,000 Swedes were sterilized in an effort to improve the quality of the Swedish people. Those of mixed race, low intelligence or with physical defects underwent forced sterilization by the state in order to prevent such qualities from being passed on. However, there is evidence that sterilization extended even to those who were merely rebellious, promiscuous or did not fit in somehow.

The philosophy underlying the Swedish policy, which has raised a storm of condemnation, is known as eugenics. Eugenics grew out of scientific advances in the field of genetics in the 19th century. As it became clear that many physical qualities are inherited, advocates of eugenics favored efforts to ensure that positive human qualities were fostered and negative ones suppressed. This was to be done by encouraging men and women with positive qualities to intermarry, while those considered defective were to be segregated or sterilized.

The Nazis carried the practice of eugenics to its ultimate end. It could be argued that the entire Holocaust grew out of eugenic principles. Not only were 6 million Jews murdered in the process, but thousands of gypsies, homosexuals and others deemed to be inferior. At the same time, the Nazis encouraged selective breeding of those considered to be outstanding examples of the Aryan race.

When the facts about Nazi atrocities became known after World War II, there was a revulsion against eugenics for having given birth to such horrors. That is why the news that Sweden was still practicing eugenics as recently as 1976 has led to such an outcry. It also came as a shock that Sweden, long known as a liberal paradise rather than some fascistic state, should have behaved in such a patently illiberal manner. Since World War II it has been assumed that eugenics was part of the far right's philosophy, not the liberal left's.
But in fact, eugenics has always been part of the left's collectivist agenda.

•In The Open Society and Its Enemies, philosopher Karl Popper pointed out that Plato believed strongly in eugenics and urged that humans be bred like dogs to develop superior qualities.

•By the early 1900s eugenics was something of a fad among liberals in the United States, leading a number of states to pass laws requiring compulsory sterilization of those with hereditary defects.

•In 1927 the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of such laws in the case of Buck vs. Bell. It was in this case that liberal Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. said, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

In his book Social Darwinism, liberal historian Richard Hofstadter conceded that eugenics was indeed part of the liberal reform agenda. "In spite of its fundamental conservatism," Hofstadter wrote, "the eugenics craze had about it the air of a 'reform.' Like the reform movements, it accepted the principle of state action toward a common end, and spoke in terms of the collective destiny of the group rather than individual success."

But as the Nazi and Swedish examples show, it is too easy to use eugenics not just to improve the physical quality of humans, but as a tool of social control. As Aldous Huxley wrote in the forward to his utopian horror Brave New World, eugenics can be used to control those with "dangerous thoughts about the social system" who "infect others with their discontents." After all, parents pass on not only their genes to their children, but also their knowledge, values and opinions. That is why eugenics and totalitarianism go together.

hazard
14th May 2003, 04:45
wha makes you say that sweden is socialist? clealry they are not, if any of this is true.

as for the topic of sterilization, every word you utter, every breath you take, every time you hit the enter key you are arguing in favour of it.

Palmares
14th May 2003, 05:00
THIS IS NOT SOCIALISM

This is a poor excuse of an attempt to discredit socialism. To use this arguement is to say that the USSR (among others) were actually socialist. Complete rubbish. :angry:

Someone can say they help people, but at the same time kill ruthlessly. Can you see the dialectic analogy?

T Blair
14th May 2003, 05:05
Fuck that, yo!
Typical slime-bag commie, always trying to cut out the middle man.

Sterilization is wack, yo!
Franz Ferdinand them Untermensch bastardz the greek way...

HEMLOCK!

p.s. You still hit like a *****, motherfucker.

T Blair
14th May 2003, 05:12
Holy Gihad,

and America isn't capitalist, right?

Sheer comedy.

hazard
14th May 2003, 05:20
tbag:

while it is debatable whether the ussr was communist, there is no debate concerning sweden. IT IS NOT.

you, on the other hand, ARE an imbecile

this is why I spit on the idiot

SHPEW!

Guest1
14th May 2003, 05:22
America had forced sterilization for the mentally ill for a long time. They also did massive experiments on them till the 80's. Canada did the same. It was a plague that haunted all of the developed world during that period.

Also, Sweden is only semi-socialist. Kinda like Canada, except more advanced.

T Blair
14th May 2003, 05:28
Quote: from hazard on 5:20 am on May 14, 2003
tbag:

while it is debatable whether the ussr was communist, there is no debate concerning sweden. IT IS NOT.

you, on the other hand, ARE an imbecile

this is why I spit on the idiot

SHPEW!


shpew?
Stick to swallowing, *****.

Did you read that joke about the middle man.
AHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
I swear on the torah that is the funniest shit EVER!

This just in:
I am the king of this message board.

hazard
14th May 2003, 05:48
that was not a spit sound, fruity

that was a bullet richocheting off your thick head. next time I'll just use a shotgun and KABLAM

CubanFox
14th May 2003, 07:35
Good God, T Blair. Shut the fuck up for a change. You contribute absolutely nothing to this forum.

Urban Rubble
14th May 2003, 21:59
When the fuck is someone going to ban this idiot ?

Exploited Class
14th May 2003, 23:05
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/12/davi...erilization.ap/ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/12/davis.sterilization.ap/)

Gov. Gray Davis apologized for a state law passed nearly a century ago that resulted in the involuntary sterilization of about 19,000 Californians.

Davis' apology followed similar actions in other states, including North Carolina, Virginia, Oregon and South Carolina, and did not propose any form of compensation for the victims or their families.

[b]And what did the highest court of our land do?[b]
It is unknown how many forced-sterilization victims are living in California because there are no case records, and it would be difficult for survivors to collect damages anyway because the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of forced sterilization in 1927.

So with this information, knowing that America did this as well you have to do one of the following because of your statement.

A. Admit that America is as bad as the NAZIs.
B. Admit this is not a socalist cause knowing very well that America is not socialist.
C. Say that NAZIs and this Practice have nothing in common.
D. Admit this was a mistake, has no party affiliation, should never be attempted again and that you were wrong and a huge troll.

Invader Zim
14th May 2003, 23:17
tbag:

TBAG.... ROTFLMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Genius... I like that Tbag... LOL

That was a very clever manipulation of the neo-conservatives name, i like it!

Ahhh sorry just my tacky sence of hummur...

PS tbag (lol), what makes you think that the actions of one (very) partially socialist country, condems the entire socialist world. Its like if a gay guy murders a person calling all gay people murderes, which would be simply ludicrus. I suggest you go away and re-think your logic.

Saint-Just
14th May 2003, 23:22
Quote: from T Blair on 5:28 am on May 14, 2003

Quote: from hazard on 5:20 am on May 14, 2003
tbag:

while it is debatable whether the ussr was communist, there is no debate concerning sweden. IT IS NOT.

you, on the other hand, ARE an imbecile

this is why I spit on the idiot

SHPEW!


shpew?
Stick to swallowing, *****.

Did you read that joke about the middle man.
AHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
I swear on the torah that is the funniest shit EVER!

This just in:
I am the king of this message board.




T Blair, you support Blair, correct. The new Labour party, in their re-writing of their constitution in the mid-90's claimed to be a social democratic party.

The party that was in power in this period of eugenics post-WWII was.... The Social Democratic party. They were in power for decades, from 49/52-92 I think.

So... you are suggesting that social democrats would practice eugenics.... The party you love, and the man you love, the Labour Party and Tony Blair also claim to be social democrats. Therefore you are discrediting the very movement you follow.

You have a very interesting tactic of debate it seems to me.

hazard
15th May 2003, 02:24
"tbag" is the keeper

I tried tblah and tblow, but tbag is just works better on a variety of levels

where is he anyway? tbag, that is

Palmares
15th May 2003, 03:27
Is this IDIOT banned yet? :angry:

Urban Rubble
15th May 2003, 03:42
No one seems to want to ban him, who knows why.

hazard
15th May 2003, 03:50
he might be banned

he's ussually posted some crap by now

lets keep our fingers crossed

T Blair
15th May 2003, 05:28
ban this,

8========================D

(Edited by T Blair at 5:33 am on May 15, 2003)

T Blair
15th May 2003, 05:31
Hath not a Capitalist eyes? Hath not a Capitalist hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooked by the same winter and summer as a Socialist is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Capitalist wrong a Socialist, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Socialist wrong a Capitalist, what should his sufferance be by Socialist example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

hazard
15th May 2003, 06:34
you are not a capitalist

you may support capitalism, but unless you are part of the 0.0001 % of he population that owns the means of production, tbag, you are one of us

as for all the "hath" and "thou", that can only go so far. remember, shylock never really did anything wrong. unlike the ruling class who committs mass murder with every one of their wars for oil, mass theft with every user fee and inflated price, and mass mind rape with every advertisement run.

these scumbags MUST pay for their crimes against the human race

Palmares
15th May 2003, 06:36
Quote: from T Blair on 3:31 pm on May 15, 2003
Hath not a Capitalist eyes? Hath not a Capitalist hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooked by the same winter and summer as a Socialist is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Capitalist wrong a Socialist, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Socialist wrong a Capitalist, what should his sufferance be by Socialist example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."


[B] Did someone fart?

Invader Zim
15th May 2003, 07:40
(double post)

(mod please remove)

(Edited by AK47 at 7:42 am on May 15, 2003)

Invader Zim
15th May 2003, 07:41
T bag is banned... LOL

However there is a brand new member called Trotsky Blair, it may be him... Or then again it may not...

革命者
15th May 2003, 09:43
he now calleshimself socratblair, altough i guess he won't be visting this site again-- he just said good bye i suppose.

SwedishCommie
15th May 2003, 15:35
I fucking live in the fucking country!
I should fucking know best if sweden is fuck socialist!
And its fucking NOT!
Sorry about my shitty language but i just get so fucking angry when bastards like t Blair call Sweden Socialist!
........fucking bastard....... :angry:

The Sniper
15th May 2003, 22:17
Lol wot a fuckwit, that man is criminally stupid. Im surprized about the swedish thing though seemed like a nice country, cept they like their cheesy rock music too much.