Fascists wreck a peaceful student protest in Italy..

[Hostage]

Link to Antifa Italia where the article is + a video at the bottom:

Antifa-Italy (http://isole.ecn.org/antifa/article/2308/scuola-roma-scontri-e-arresti-per-blocco-studentesco)

if you don't know italian you might have to use a translator?

but from the text it seems that a peaceful protest against a scholastic reform ended up in a messy riot because of a group of student fascists called "blocco studentesco" getting involved spreading their right-wing crap, they were armed with fighting sticks coloured in the national flag & helmets.. plus a couple of 30+ year old 'student' skins..

from there it bursted into a riot.. with the riot police getting involved and arresting tens of naziskins/fascist students


ps: can someone fix the link please?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Not to be rude or anything but can we please take a approach to reporting stuff which makes us seem less like helpless peaceful victims. Seriously im not asking for a macho thing but im just asking we don't make ourselves out to be the princess peach of politics.

[Hostage]

Well if the facts are 'princessy and peachy' I guess there is no alternative but to represent them that way.

And, if by "us" you mean the left.. the protest had nothing to do with political factions, it was against a school reform which involved everyone which was a student.

So yes, they did wreck a peaceful protest.

[Bilan]

Joe, not being overtly violent always doesn't make you a "princess" (I think you'll find royalty was never shy on using violence, either ;)).
What the fascists did here was exactly what has been said, they turned a peaceful protest against student reform, into a riot.
Simple as that.

[Djehuti]

The italian student protests continue to grow and has become a strong alliance between parents to compulsory-school pupils, doctoral students and university students - groups who all suffer from the new reform and the cuts in public education. Even among senior compulsory school pupils a protest movement is growing in solidarity with the other students, despite that they are not (yet) affected by the new reforms.
For the younger kids the cuts and reforms mean that there will only be 4 hour education a day and that the parents must take care of their kids afternoon.

Today 30 october the big unions, CGIL, CISL and UIL, will hold a general strike for the entire school sector. There's daily student demonstrations and ockupations of university institutions against the cuts and privatizations under the slogan "we won't pay your crisis"

Yesterday 29 october 8000 students demonstrated in Bologna, 5000 held a symbolic mourning manifestation over the education in Padua, on San Marco in Venice 1500 students gathered and as many also gathered in the neigbouring city of Mestre. In Milan 5000 university students and senior compulsory school pupils blocked various train stations and the entire inner city traffic. In Rome secen different demonstrations came together outside the senate.

Berlusconi has declared that he won't bend, that the privatizations and cuts will be carried out. He has however backed from the order about storming the ockupied universities with police. Other elements in the right however continue to demand harder tactics against the protest movement. Italys former preosdent and life-time seenator Franscesco Cossiga have a controversial interview in the larger daylies where he compared the situation with 1977.


"Remove the police from the streets and universities, infiltrate the movement with provocateurs prepared for anythng, and let the demonstrators be for some weeks, smash shops, burn cars and ravage the streets. Then, when we have the public opinion on our side the sound of the ambulances will drown the sirens of the police- and carabinier vans", said Franscesco Cossiga to Quotidiano nazionale (http://www.anarkismo.net/article/10457).

Neo-fascist groups have taken him on his words. The right-wing extremist house occupation movement Casa Pound and their student organization Blocco Studentesco have since monday tried to infiltrate the student demonstrations and they have used the movements slogan "we won't pay your crisis". During yesterdays demonstration in Rome Casa Pound appeared with their own sound van. Three 16 year old students were beaten by the neo fascists who placed themselves at the front of the demonstration on Piazza Navone. When the demonstration block from the uniersity Sapienza came to the plae they drove out the fascists from the demonstration and smashed their van. 30 persons from Casa Pound and three left-wing activits were arrested during the clashes.

Movies:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=hFtUMqREeNY
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=osxWdmQUQTw

Pictures:
http://roma.repubblica.it/multimedia/home/3466932/1

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Joe, not being overtly violent always doesn't make you a "princess" (I think you'll find royalty was never shy on using violence, either ;)).

I meant princess peach from the mario games who had a habbit of being helpless.

[1968]

Over the last few days, all over Italy, there has been waves of teachers striking and students occupying colleges against new education cuts of nine billion euro which will see 130,000 lose their jobs.

In Rome, thousands of students marched through the streets. A mob of neo - fascists from blocco studentesco (Student Block) brandishing clubs and belts which had tried to position themselves at the front of the march. The fascists are trying to infiltrate the students movement.

They were attacked by student anarchists and autonomists. They had their van wrecked and four were arrested.

1, 2. Front of Student March
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome4.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome8.jpg


3. Fascists gather
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome7.jpg


4, 5, 6, 7. Students attack fascists
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome6.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome3.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome11.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome12.jpg


8, 9. Fascists' van attacked
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome5.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome10.jpg


10. Students escape. Fascists' arrested.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/PunkDub/rome2.jpg




Videos:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=osxWdmQUQTw
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=hFtUMqREeNY

Fascists on left. Left Wing students on right.

[Wanted Man]

Well, it looks like classic fascism is still doing well in Italy. They even send gangs of bonehead scum against meetings in order to rescue the bourgeoisie's interests. It's the 20s and 30s all over again.

[K.Bullstreet]

http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/media/1/20081030-piazza-navona-copy[1].JPG

Before and after...taken from - www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

:thumbup1:

[Hostage]

haha, what a masterpiece!! <3:lol:

[Bilan]

Well, it looks like classic fascism is still doing well in Italy. They even send gangs of bonehead scum against meetings in order to rescue the bourgeoisie's interests. It's the 20s and 30s all over again.

Except this time they're getting a major fucking ass kicking.

[Rosa Provokateur]

This story proves what I've been saying, violence is essentially a fascist tactic. They cant allow peace because its counter to their philosophy. We are counter to their philosophy, therefore we must remain peaceful.

[Sasha]

jesus fucking christ, can you please for once give an argument instead of preaching?

*goes looking for his ignore list*

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

This story proves what I've been saying, violence is essentially a fascist tactic. They cant allow peace because its counter to their philosophy. We are counter to their philosophy, therefore we must remain peaceful.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4964/pacifistslk3.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pacifistslk3.jpg)


http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pacifistslk3.jpg

[Rosa Provokateur]

jesus christ, can you please for once give an argument instead of preaching?

*goes looking for his ignore list*

My argument is that this is evidence that violence is essentialy fascist and to fight fascists, we have to keep from using their methods.

[Dust Bunnies]

We can't take a pacifist stance on everything. We should show those fascists that we can beat them like we beat the Nazis.

[Hiero]

My argument is that this is evidence that violence is essentialy fascist and to fight fascists, we have to keep from using their methods.

And before fascism?

[Bilan]

This story proves what I've been saying, violence is essentially a fascist tactic. They cant allow peace because its counter to their philosophy. We are counter to their philosophy, therefore we must remain peaceful.

No it fucking isn't. God. It pisses me off when people use this stupid argument.
Fascists and Commmunists do alot of things that are similar.
I'll name a few:
We both eat, drink, breath, etc.

The fact that a fascist uses it, does not mean it is inherently fascistic.

Violence is a means. It has no intentions - no directions. It's direction and intention is totally derived from who uses it and to what end.

What makes it just, and what makes it unjust, is how it is used.

But fuck, you need to cut this stupid pacifistic bullshit.

[Holden Caulfield]

But fuck, you need to cut this stupid pacifistic bullshit.
no he doesn't, he is putting across an opinion you don't agree with but he has every right to and is within the rules of the board, dont attack the user in this way, the last line of your post was a bit needless (that said the rest of it was pretty bang on)

[jaffe]

No because he is acccusing non-pacifist antifascists of being fascists and I think that's bullshit. And he does it every thread and it tends to get annoying. So maybe we should start a thread were greeen apostle can explain his views, instead of popping up in every thread drop a few moralistic lines.

[Sasha]

he is not putting acros an opinion, he is preaching, and like jaffe saids he polutes every single thread with it. We all by now no what he thinks about "violence", there is no progress in what he says and there is no argument being given. He is an record on repeat just banging out the same simplistic statement over and over again. He basicly shuts down all threads by turning them in pascifist vs violence threads instead of anti-facism threads. Wich is trolling and inflaming and just pisses people off. So just give him an fucking sticky wich says: "please keep in mind when reading any thread in the anti-facism section that "green apostle" doesn't aprove of violence and thinks we should turn the other cheeck." And then just fucking restrict him (for at least this section).

[Fietsketting]

I like it, i like it alot. :cool:

[Patchd]

This story proves what I've been saying, violence is essentially a fascist tactic. They cant allow peace because its counter to their philosophy. We are counter to their philosophy, therefore we must remain peaceful.
"Violence is a fascist tactic"? Wow, I must've been mistaken then, now there was me thinking that violence has been in existence before fascism actually formed as an ideology...

The argument that because we are opponents to fascism and therefore should not do anything that they do is ridiculous. I guess we should stop trying to reach out for the working class too perhaps???

[Fietsketting]

Maybe green apostle is one of those dusty theory horny, behind keyboard sitting, internet warrior priest? :lol:

[Patchd]

Probably not, I think he's sincere about what he believes in, I just think its full of shit though.

[redSHARP]

not every tactic needs to be based off violence, peaceful means has its place, but when violence is needed, use it (i.e. nazi scum roll into town).:D
and when they do have no mercy!!

[Holden Caulfield]

not every tactic needs to be based off violence, peaceful means has its place, but when violence is needed, use it (i.e. nazi scum roll into town).:D
and when they do have no mercy!!
true to a degree, but i woud show mercy to a point, i dont want to kill the pawns rather give them a kicking and show them they wont be tolerated

[jaffe]

talking hardmen esspecially on the internet is never a good hting on my opinion. I think every fascist 'threat' needs to be analysed and then see what kind of strategy fits best to defeat it.

[Holden Caulfield]

talking hardmen esspecially on the internet is never a good hting on my opinion. I think every fascist 'threat' needs to be analysed and then see what kind of strategy fits best to defeat it.
if that was aimed at me you should know i agree with you, i just couldnt be arsed writing a longer more explained post:closedeyes: