Obama as MLK II

[hajduk]

There was another try assassination of Obama by some natczie red-nex so I still think that he will be murdered as Martin Luther King and that America will be under racism pressure becouse some racist motherfuckers cant alowed that american president be a black man

[Sentinel]

Well, I'm sure there are a lot of racists and assorted bigots who might try to assassinate Obama.

But he likely has the best security and intelligence staff on the planet hired, as well..

[Dean]

Fuck Obama. I can say with conviction that I have more in common with those "natczie red-nex" than a member of the master race - those faceless moneymen, i.e. Obama.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Fuck Obama. I can say with conviction that I have more in common with those "natczie red-nex" than a member of the master race - those faceless moneymen, i.e. Obama.

That's very juvenile.

[Bud Struggle]

Obama is a start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

[Trystan]

Hey Tom, who are you voting for?

[Dean]

That's very juvenile.

No, it's not. What is juvenile is the attitude that people have about these monsters.

The Neo-Nazis are called racists. Sure, this is true in the academic sense. But the issue is very different if we look at it from a leftist perspective. While the Neo-Nazis, as a generally powerless and fragmented entity, have only their rhetoric as evidence for their racism, Obama has legislative force to evidence his racist agenda.

What is sick about this is that the poor black population looks up to the man who will help to subjugate them, whereas the Neo-Nazis experience an unfortunate side-effect of the racially divisive propaganda system which puts them against their peers in this awful system.

So, no, I really don't hold much against the racists. They struggle against an oppressive system, much like the Islamists in the middle east do. I do disagree with the bulk of their rhetoric, but they are ultimately part of the oppressed class which must rise up and take power back for themselves, at whatever cost.

I'm sick and tired of the normalization of these murders and corporatists. These people are fucking evil. The NeoNazis aren't my concern here - it is the militant, oppressive forces which control our government who don the Brazilian Baby Face Mask before they take their torture instruments to our lives.

[Oneironaut]

Fuck Obama. I can say with conviction that I have more in common with those "natczie red-nex" than a member of the master race - those faceless moneymen, i.e. Obama.

I cannot agree with you here. Yes, fuck Obama. Likewise, I fucking despise nazis. I find your logic to be pretty empty: nazis are ultra-reactionary that would jump at the chance to eliminate democracy as an idea from society. I have nothing in common with that. Nazis are proponents of race war, not class warfare. While they may be primarily working class (I think this is why you said you have more in common with them) they lack all conception of what working class conscious is. I'm not to worried about Obama mugging me, nazis are entirely different story. They would love to murder you and me alike.

In conclusion: Fuck Obama but FUCK nazis.

[Bud Struggle]

Hey Tom, who are you voting for?

The big O.

I also gave him $500, and I want to see a bang for my buck. :)

[Oneironaut]

The Neo-Nazis are called racists. Sure, this is true in the academic sense. But the issue is very different if we look at it from a leftist perspective. While the Neo-Nazis, as a generally powerless and fragmented entity, have only their rhetoric as evidence for their racism, Obama has legislative force to evidence his racist agenda.

No. What an absurd notion to say Neo-Nazis are all talk! Here is a recent event of actions that reflect their racism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

You seem to be simply dismissing hate crimes as rhetoric which is completely false. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_01.htm


What is sick about this is that the poor black population looks up to the man who will help to subjugate them, whereas the Neo-Nazis experience an unfortunate side-effect of the racially divisive propaganda system which puts them against their peers in this awful system.

Of course institutional racism exists now and it will be that way even with Obama as president until the institution itself is smashed. Yes Neo-Nazis are a product of the racially divisive system but as are all workers including us. It's the matter of fact that Neo-Nazis advocate further worker division for the benefit of white protestants. They lack all sense of class consciousness and are our enemies alongside the capitalists.


So, no, I really don't hold much against the racists. They struggle against an oppressive system, much like the Islamists in the middle east do. I do disagree with the bulk of their rhetoric, but they are ultimately part of the oppressed class which must rise up and take power back for themselves, at whatever cost.

You don't hold much against racists? Just to clarify, I am specifically alluding to racists who preach rhetoric against minorities, even violently assaulted minorities. Not a racist like my father who says "blacks are acting like they are above the law armed by Obama". The race-warfare advocated by other racists is something to hold against them and moreover, persecute them for their attitudes. Their beliefs fly in the face of immense amounts of scientific data that proves the conception of "race" doesn't exist. All body types and skin colors are a result of the drastically different environments that humans evolved through.

Neo-Nazis are part of the oppressed class. The difference between them and us is we are fighting to eliminate oppression and they want to recreate oppression to suit their interests. Neo-Nazi's will have absolutely no say in how the revolution should be carried about until they join arms with the rest of the working class.

[Bud Struggle]

No, it's not. What is juvenile is the attitude that people have about these monsters.

The Neo-Nazis are called racists. Sure, this is true in the academic sense. But the issue is very different if we look at it from a leftist perspective. While the Neo-Nazis, as a generally powerless and fragmented entity, have only their rhetoric as evidence for their racism, Obama has legislative force to evidence his racist agenda.

What is sick about this is that the poor black population looks up to the man who will help to subjugate them, whereas the Neo-Nazis experience an unfortunate side-effect of the racially divisive propaganda system which puts them against their peers in this awful system.

So, no, I really don't hold much against the racists. They struggle against an oppressive system, much like the Islamists in the middle east do. I do disagree with the bulk of their rhetoric, but they are ultimately part of the oppressed class which must rise up and take power back for themselves, at whatever cost.

I'm sick and tired of the normalization of these murders and corporatists. These people are fucking evil. The NeoNazis aren't my concern here - it is the militant, oppressive forces which control our government who don the Brazilian Baby Face Mask before they take their torture instruments to our lives.

To be honest, there is much here with which I disagree--but for an overarching truly radical view of how the world works--this is a first class post.

This is Revolutionary thinking.

[Dean]

No. What an absurd notion to say Neo-Nazis are all talk! Here is a recent event of actions that reflect their racism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

You seem to be simply dismissing hate crimes as rhetoric which is completely false. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_01.htm
Firstly, I don't think that NeoNazis had anything to do with Jena 6. As a matter of fact, hate crime isn't a distinctly Nazi issue either.

Surely, Nazi are scum. But quite frankly, the Nazis in this case were not the problem.




Of course institutional racism exists now and it will be that way even with Obama as president until the institution itself is smashed. Yes Neo-Nazis are a product of the racially divisive system but as are all workers including us. It's the matter of fact that Neo-Nazis advocate further worker division for the benefit of white protestants. They lack all sense of class consciousness and are our enemies alongside the capitalists.

It's also a matter of fact that, which the Nazis preach it, the Democrats and Republicans enforce it.


You don't hold much against racists? Just to clarify, I am specifically alluding to racists who preach rhetoric against minorities, even violently assaulted minorities. Not a racist like my father who says "blacks are acting like they are above the law armed by Obama". The race-warfare advocated by other racists is something to hold against them and moreover, persecute them for their attitudes. Their beliefs fly in the face of immense amounts of scientific data that proves the conception of "race" doesn't exist. All body types and skin colors are a result of the drastically different environments that humans evolved through.

Neo-Nazis are part of the oppressed class. The difference between them and us is we are fighting to eliminate oppression and they want to recreate oppression to suit their interests. Neo-Nazi's will have absolutely no say in how the revolution should be carried about until they join arms with the rest of the working class.
But, as has been made clear throughout, the Nazis aren't really the problem here.

The Nazis are racists? Big deal. The Libertarians are pretty bad as far as capitalists go, but I don't ***** about them when I talk about corporate structure. For the same reason, when I criticise racism I focus on the active, oppressive systems in place - not small-minded individuals in a fractured movement.

Nazism might be a problem in Europe, but in the U.S., it's a joke. You talk about Nazis mugging you. Well, that might be a threat, though it is not likely in the U.S.. But Obama is mugging you as we speak. If someone wants to off him, good. And I stand by my initial statement... if people need to be concerned here, it is about Obama, not the Nazis.

[Oneironaut]

Firstly, I don't think that NeoNazis had anything to do with Jena 6. As a matter of fact, hate crime isn't a distinctly Nazi issue either.

You may not think that NeoNazis had anything to do with the Jena 6 but I would beg to differ. It is very uncommon for dispossessed white teenagers to commit hate crimes without some level of organization as basic as it may be. Whether or not those individuals describe themselves as NeoNazis is besides the point: a group of white teens who terrorize minorities (a fucking noose in the tree? are you kidding me?) are as NeoNazi as the self-proclaimed NeoNazis that had attacked me and my mexican coworker.


Surely, Nazi are scum. But quite frankly, the Nazis in this case were not the problem.

Well you aren't calling them Nazis, I'm calling them Nazis. Of course then they won't be a problem for you in this case but IMO this is not the case. The southern states are still breeding grounds for this kind of bullshit, what makes these kids any different? The absence of a swastika? If thats the case, it doesn't mean shit.






It's also a matter of fact that, which the Nazis preach it, the Democrats and Republicans enforce it.
Nazis do enforce conduct race-warfare the only way available to them, on a small scale. This doesn't mean that these small scale actions should be dismissed on the basis that NeoNazis are the way they are because of the system. Yes it is true, but the reality of the situation is that in Omaha, Nebraska, we have NeoNazis organizing in front of the Mexican consulate, burning the Mexican flag. I saw multiple times NeoNazis gathered on the busiest intersection in a city of 1,000,000 burning the Mexican flag and waving the US flag with the addition of a swastika. Granted this was a small group demonstration but I had hispanic coworkers in the resturant right up the street from this demonstration who had been verbally abused by the NeoNazis and were legitimately concerned about their safety leaving the resturant.

These people should be persecuted for their acts of terror, as small scale and unimportant as you may think it is.




Nazism might be a problem in Europe, but in the U.S., it's a joke. You talk about Nazis mugging you. Well, that might be a threat, though it is not likely in the U.S.. But Obama is mugging you as we speak. If someone wants to off him, good. And I stand by my initial statement... if people need to be concerned here, it is about Obama, not the Nazis.

I am not going to reiterate my position on Obama. But I will reiterate: FUCK NeoNazis!

[jake williams]

Just to make a point about the assassination thing, if Barack Obama were assassinated you would literally see a civil war. That said, I think it's very unlikely. I've said it over and over again: people that think Barack Obama is likely to be assassinated don't understand how many psychopaths with assault rifles hate George W. Bush.

[Dean]

These people should be persecuted for their acts of terror, as small scale and unimportant as you may think it is.

Your whole post rests on the premise that Nazi Terror is bad, and I am not rhetorically attacking it enough.

Well, I'll only say this once. I hate Nazis and Nazism. I am no stranger to racism - I live in Richmond, I experience those despicable attitudes every day.

That said, the issue of Nazism by itself isn't the point. The point, which you have refused to even acknowledge, is that between Barack Obama and Neo Nazis, Obama is more powerful, more destructive and more dangerous. I oppose the disgusting attitude that the media reinforces, which attempts to normalize the totally despicable moral and social destructiveness of mainstream politics.

I am surprised at the "liberalism" here (though it is not liberal, it is basically centrism). We shouldn't have to have the Nazi argument. The Nazis were and are bad, but that isn't the point, nor is it relevant to U.S. politics in any meaningful way. It's a real shame that you can't break free from the narrow Liberal-Democrat attitudes.

[Oneironaut]

I never once disagreed with what you said about Obama because I am in agreement with you over that. I simply was addressing your statement of having more in common with NeoNazis which yes we both are workers but I have yet to be able to abstain from violence when dealing with NeoNazis. I feel like if we could relate to one another then it wouldn't have to end with bruised bodies. I literally am so taken aback at their thought patterns. Maybe its just me getting too personal with it...

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I'm starting to really worry about him getting shot. I got this nasty feeling in my gut I just can't shake...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'm starting to really worry about him getting shot. I got this nasty feeling in my gut I just can't shake...

I'm pretty sure the Secret Service is watching his ass or something like that.

[Dean]

I never once disagreed with what you said about Obama because I am in agreement with you over that. I simply was addressing your statement of having more in common with NeoNazis which yes we both are workers but I have yet to be able to abstain from violence when dealing with NeoNazis. I feel like if we could relate to one another then it wouldn't have to end with bruised bodies. I literally am so taken aback at their thought patterns. Maybe its just me getting too personal with it...

That's understandable. My point was just that Obama is so clearly, directly and actively against the interests of the working class that the Nazis should not be the primary group we are watching out for. Even if they commit violence against us, we have to understand that the most dangerous and prolific violence comes from Obama and his ilk. Of course I am not interested in relating to Neo Nazis, my point was just about this specific issue of Obama v. Nazis.

[jake williams]

I'm pretty sure the Secret Service is watching his ass or something like that.
I heard on AJE the other day that he's had Secret Service (I was very tempted to write "SS" but that's another story) protection since like May 2007. Probably pretty tight.

[Killfacer]

The big O.

I also gave him $500, and I want to see a bang for my buck. :)


You gave a politician money? You idiot. :lol:

[hajduk]

well comraders in America you should watch those naci motherfuckers becouse they are crazy and i telling you this becouse same motherfuckers in my land do the damaddge but they called nationalists and they are red-nex also same as nacies in America,so trust me those pyssies are more dangerous now then anyone else,so keep you eye wide open,someone mentioned that is that if they killed Obama that will be reason for making a civil war in America

[Bud Struggle]

You gave a politician money? You idiot. :lol:

I gave $500 each to McCain, Obama and Palin--I shook hands with them all. I always like to meet the President of my country--it's just something I do. :) I met Bush I+II, Clinton and Reagan. I met lots of others lesser figures, too.

(I could care less about meeting Biden. :()

[Killfacer]

thats a pretty good list. Best person i have shaken hands with is Bradley Orr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Orr) when there was a pitch invasion. :blushing:

[Plagueround]

Um...Billy Corgan gave me one of those "acknowledgment nods" once so...beat that. :lol:

[Os Cangaceiros]

Just to make a point about the assassination thing, if Barack Obama were assassinated you would literally see a civil war.

No, we wouldn't. I don't know what you're seeing in Ontario, perhaps videos of red faced lynch mobs at Palin rallies screaming "SOCIALIST! MUSLIM!", but gun fire won't start lighting up streets just because the "Hope and Change" candidate is gone. The worst I'd expect would be massive rioting.

What would most likely happen would be that Obama would achieve martyr status. :rolleyes:

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I'm pretty sure the Secret Service is watching his ass or something like that.

No doubt; after RFK they really beefed up the SS and now it's almost impossible. still...


No, we wouldn't. I don't know what you're seeing in Ontario, perhaps videos of red faced lynch mobs at Palin rallies screaming "SOCIALIST! MUSLIM!", but gun fire won't start lighting up streets just because the "Hope and Change" candidate is gone. The worst I'd expect would be massive rioting.

Don't try and drive through Chicago for a month or so.


What would most likely happen would be that Obama would achieve martyr status.

Most definitely.

The only other thing I worry about is that 2012 is the end of the world and I have, indeed, cast my ballot for The Anti-Christ.

[jake williams]

No, we wouldn't. I don't know what you're seeing in Ontario, perhaps videos of red faced lynch mobs at Palin rallies screaming "SOCIALIST! MUSLIM!", but gun fire won't start lighting up streets just because the "Hope and Change" candidate is gone. The worst I'd expect would be massive rioting.

What would most likely happen would be that Obama would achieve martyr status. :rolleyes:
I don't know what you're seeing in Alaska/New York, but I'm saying - "Don't try and drive through Chicago" is sort of a good way to put it. Black people would be upset, very upset, and I mean that very non-judgmentally.

[Plagueround]

The only other thing I worry about is that 2012 is the end of the world and I have, indeed, cast my ballot for The Anti-Christ.

Well that is...um...random.

Here's the only thing I can think of that can top that:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/phobosblack/ra1ezm.jpg

[Os Cangaceiros]

I don't know what you're seeing in Alaska/New York

Mostly I see people who, while very passionate about the candidates that they support, aren't going to start dismembering each other in the streets if one of those candidates were to take an unfortunate exit from the political arena.

[hajduk]

Um...Billy Corgan gave me one of those "acknowledgment nods" once so...beat that. :lol:i singing together with Benjamin Zephaniah and Mash Kan:cool:

[Dean]

"If you don't ask why then you deserve to die;
That little sticker of a flag on your car means nothing.
For the terror you've allowed in your name,
when the planes fall again, your prayers will mean nothing.

So burn then coward, but don't you dare pray.
Burn then, for what's been done in your name.
So fucking burn then. You had your chance, now it's time to die.
Burn then. You drank the Kool-Aid, fool, so die."
-Ramallah