bits of paper

[redarmyfaction38]

how many posters on here actually believe in "international agreements" on "human rights" etc.
how many posters believe govt. legislation protecting "workers rights" mean jack shit?
in total, how many pieces of paper have actually managed to stop fascist dictatorships? the ruthless exploitation of child workers and immigrants? or genocide?
i would venture that the answer is none.
so, why, do so many "revolutionaries" seem not to understand the "game" we're playing?
the "bosses", the "bourgouisie", your "govt." will try to kill you, and, if that don't work, they'll kill your kids or parents, this is a fight to the death.
ask my mate, immortal technique, for a start, then read lenin and trotsky or listen to the clash.
revolution is not about "educated" debate it is about bone and gristle.
there is point in this post somewhere.
too many thoughts

[Decolonize The Left]

how many posters on here actually believe in "international agreements" on "human rights" etc.
how many posters believe govt. legislation protecting "workers rights" mean jack shit?
in total, how many pieces of paper have actually managed to stop fascist dictatorships? the ruthless exploitation of child workers and immigrants? or genocide?
i would venture that the answer is none.
so, why, do so many "revolutionaries" seem not to understand the "game" we're playing?
the "bosses", the "bourgouisie", your "govt." will try to kill you, and, if that don't work, they'll kill your kids or parents, this is a fight to the death.
ask my mate, immortal technique, for a start, then read lenin and trotsky or listen to the clash.
revolution is not about "educated" debate it is about bone and gristle.
there is point in this post somewhere.
too many thoughts

Your enthusiasm and energy is great, but you ignore the vastly complex economic and social system we live in today. "International agreements" may not prevent fascist dictatorships, but many working class people believe them to be good. "Human rights" may be social creations but they are used as justification for many progressive policies which help and support the working class.

The point is that the goal of a revolutionary is to spread class consciousness - this can be "bone and gristle" but it also can be about "educated debate."

- August

[redarmyfaction38]

Your enthusiasm and energy is great, but you ignore the vastly complex economic and social system we live in today. "International agreements" may not prevent fascist dictatorships, but many working class people believe them to be good. "Human rights" may be social creations but they are used as justification for many progressive policies which help and support the working class.

The point is that the goal of a revolutionary is to spread class consciousness - this can be "bone and gristle" but it also can be about "educated debate."

- August
the point i was trying to make and got lost in my rant was not as difficult to put as i obviously found it:D.
these bits of paper seem to lull the general populace and some revolutionaries (who should know better imo) into a false sense of security.
they actually seem to believe that a piece of legislation will protect them!!!!!
to quote a reactionary (churchill) "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".
i still can't get over the "revolutionaries" that got their heads pounded and slung in jail during the miners strike and were suprised that their "rights" were ignored by the judiciary.
i mean, seriously, given all that they'd read, given the relationship of class forces, what else did they expect?
ghandi made it plain, he expected to be punished by british imperialism for challenging it.
trotsky always seemed quite happy to be flung in jail or exiled for his "crimes".
whilst one should scream at the injustice of the laws and the system that puts you in jail, you shouldn't pretend for a minute that you thought that legal system and its legislation was ever gonna protect you.
or am i missing something here?

[Decolonize The Left]

the point i was trying to make and got lost in my rant was not as difficult to put as i obviously found it:D.
these bits of paper seem to lull the general populace and some revolutionaries (who should know better imo) into a false sense of security.
they actually seem to believe that a piece of legislation will protect them!!!!!
to quote a reactionary (churchill) "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".
i still can't get over the "revolutionaries" that got their heads pounded and slung in jail during the miners strike and were suprised that their "rights" were ignored by the judiciary.
i mean, seriously, given all that they'd read, given the relationship of class forces, what else did they expect?
ghandi made it plain, he expected to be punished by british imperialism for challenging it.
trotsky always seemed quite happy to be flung in jail or exiled for his "crimes".
whilst one should scream at the injustice of the laws and the system that puts you in jail, you shouldn't pretend for a minute that you thought that legal system and its legislation was ever gonna protect you.
or am i missing something here?

I understand your feelings, but you are missing something here. It is far easier to persecute and oppress the working class when "liberal rights" are removed - for the people require some sort of moral compass by which to assess the actions of the government.

For example: in the United States, the government appears to be more accountable under a democratic party than a republican party - this appearance is important for it allows the people to voice their opinions with more ease. It allows the working class to achieve more benefits for themselves.
This is not to say that this is acceptable, merely to put it into context. Under republicans, 'dissent' is stifled to a great degree. This damages the revolutionary for it limits his/her potential ability to communicate the message of class consciousness.

The purpose of the revolutionary is to shift this moral compass from 'individual rights' to class consciousness. It is to explain how individual rights are encompassed under the revolutionary left, but stripped of their metaphysical grounds.

- August