Obama Assasination Plot?

[BraneMatter]

MSNBC is breaking the story that the ATF has just disrupted a "Skinhead" plot in Arkansas and Tennesee to assasinate Barack Obama and kill one hundred Black people. Unknown how many were arrested.

No further details yet available.

UPDATE: Apparently two idiots planned (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/) to rob a gun store, then go to the local high school and kill a bunch of Black students, then escape to go and assasinate Barack Obama!

Sounds like a segment of "America's Dumbest Criminals."

What I wanna know is how many of those pictures of Sarah Palin with the M-16 did they have on their walls or computers??? :laugh:

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[GPDP]

I lol'd.

[#FF0000]

I really love how these racists plan to go out and try to recreate their favorite Andrew MacDonald rag without seeing any sort of flaw in their plan.

Step 1: kill a lot of non-white people in a series of spree killings
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ARYAN NATIONSTATE ESTABLISHED!

I mean, someone has to be a special sort of stupid to hold racist beliefs in the face of all of science and reason in the first place, but still.

[Mindtoaster]

WASHINGTON - A plot by two Neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Barack Obama and kill dozens of other African Americans has been foiled, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Monday.Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Ark., were charged Friday with making threats against a presidential candidate, illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun and conspiracy to rob a gun store.
In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans that included robbing a gun store and targeting an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school.
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The two men were arrested in Crockett County, Tenn., and have already made a court appearance.
The plot unraveled when one of the men was arrested on other charges and in the course of interviews he revealed plans for the plot.

According to the court records, the pair discussed robbing a gun shop in order to gather weapons and ammunition to use in a "killing spree."
The defendants allegedly further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African-American school, and to continue their spree until it culminated with an attempt to assassinate Obama.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/

[Mindtoaster]

Lol, prepare for Antifa's membership to expand.



I can't wait to lol @ Stormfront tonight:laugh:

[disobey]

Honestly, never have I felt that the capitalist-pig-term 'piss poor planning produces poor performance' applies more than to this sad case.

[cop an Attitude]

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states.", "The two planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14", "two men sought to go on a national killing spree" what is this GTA? They are just obiously in need of serious help. What would that even acomplish, It wouldn't stop Obama or anyone else, it would be just a bunch of murders. If anything it would just make skinheads look even worse than they already do... well i guess thats not a bad thing but still.

[jake williams]

My favourite part is that their plan was to rob a gun store. Really? Your plan is to assassinate the president-in-waiting and you're not willing to spend a couple bucks to make it semi-plausible your idea could possibly get close to happening? You really want to break into a gun store? That's really your idea of "the down low"?

[RedScare]

It's just some Neo-Nazi bastards that are gonna get jailed for it, and this will certainly help Anti-fascism in the US.

[rebelworker]

Although this is a serious joke I wonder if there are any serious and organised White Supremacists planning a real assasination.

I would be interesting to know if there are groups out there well organised and disciplined enough top actually carry something out.

[BraneMatter]

Stormfront will have two new 'heroes' of the Fourth Reich!



I really love how these racists plan to go out and try to recreate their favorite Andrew MacDonald rag without seeing any sort of flaw in their plan.

Step 1: kill a lot of non-white people in a series of spree killings
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ARYAN NATIONSTATE ESTABLISHED!


LOL :laugh:

Unfortunately, it's idiots like these who can cause a lot of damage if they get loose from the ward and don't take their medication.

When the "trickle down" slows down, and the social democrats can no longer keep things under control, racism is a ready substitute. Scapegoating and racism are just the other side of the coin from reformism and the social democrats - anything to keep the working class from getting revolutionary ideas...

A bourgeois white working class that benefits from imperialism and colonialism will readily accept a racist explanation during an economic slowdown or crisis. I guess it's easier than looking at yourself in the mirror, feeling guilty, or asking hard questions about the system...

[Dust Bunnies]

...

I was just about to post this and you beat me to it.



These are the kind of plans so stupid not even 4chan would make them up. Killing 88 black students and beheading another 14? So is there no police in their area or... are the police that incompetent or is the two probably idiots (this one is the most logical answer).

[freakazoid]

How did they find out about the plot? I wouldn't doubt that there are groups out there that are not known about that are planning some kind of attack on him.

[Bilan]

I don't think White Supremacists are really dumb enough to try and pull this off.
Most of them would shit themselves if they really got the race war they were after.


This just sounds like a bunch of little shits.

Then again, I could be crediting them with an ounce of intelligence. I think I'm being a bit generous.

[Volderbeek]

I don't think White Supremacists are really dumb enough to try and pull this off.

Really?! Maybe you should think about it some more.

[Volderbeek]

Are we sure Sarah Palin wasn't involved? :lol:

[Prairie Fire]

Is it just me, or does this "foiled assasination attempt" sound like a stunt to boost Obamas "street cred"?



Step 1: kill a lot of non-white people in a series of spree killings
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ARYAN NATIONSTATE ESTABLISHED!


:lol:

[fabiansocialist]

I don't think White Supremacists are really dumb enough to try and pull this off.
Most of them would shit themselves if they really got the race war they were after.

This just sounds like a bunch of little shits.

That is correct. These two are a pair of white trash youngsters, who have promptly been dubbed "neo-Nazis" and "white supremacists" by the media (I doubt they even know what "Nazi" means other than a close haircut). It's been a quiet day with regard to news, and the major networks need something to fill up the time ....

White supremacists are mostly "net Nazis" on discussion forums, giving vent to various frustrations and complexes. They would, as you say, dirty their pants were anything real to happen. In any case, they're (sporadically) monitored by government agencies (not that there's much to fear from them).

[rebelworker]

People on Stormfront were freaking out about this, they all expect to be rounded up.

Unfortunately they seem just smart enough to not advocate this kind of thing.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Hitler rolled over in his...

[fabiansocialist]

People on Stormfront were freaking out about this, they all expect to be rounded up.

Unfortunately they seem just smart enough to not advocate this kind of thing.

Stormfront is monitored sporadically by government agencies, and by the ADL. The moderators are careful to never allow this sort of talk to creep in. And the people behind Stormfront know what skirting on thin ice is: they've had skirmishes with the law and some of them have spent time behind bars. They are exceedingly careful. Their official position -- if you visit their site -- is that they support neither of the two main candidates. This is not to say there aren't ordinary forum members stupid enough to think along the same lines as the two white trash teenagers.

[Melbourne Lefty]

What I wanna know is how many of those pictures of Sarah Palin with the M-16 did they have on their walls or computers???


Considering she is married to a 'race mongrel' I seriously doubt she would be a hero of them.

[Chapaev]

This plot reveals how firm measures need to be taken against reactionary and racist groups. Active fascists need to be kept under heavy surveillance and the most dangerous among them must be indefinitely detained.

[bcbm]

Plan to kill 100 people? Pretty basic and self explanatory felony charges.

Organize protests against the RNC? You get terrorism charges.

I love freedom.:glare:

[jake williams]

This plot reveals how firm measures need to be taken against reactionary and racist groups. Active fascists need to be kept under heavy surveillance and the most dangerous among them must be indefinitely detained.
On what grounds? Officially as political prisoners?

[Dóchas]

My favourite part is that their plan was to rob a gun store. Really? Your plan is to assassinate the president-in-waiting and you're not willing to spend a couple bucks to make it semi-plausible your idea could possibly get close to happening? You really want to break into a gun store? That's really your idea of "the down low"?

ye they planned to rob a gun store but when they saw that there was a dog outside they gave up because the impenatreble fortress that the gun store was, was obviously too well defended for them

i joke not :lol:

[freakazoid]

I understand the reason for the numbers they chose, but what is with the choice of attire they planned on wearing?


Plan to kill 100 people? Pretty basic and self explanatory felony charges.

Organize protests against the RNC? You get terrorism charges.

I love freedom.http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/glare.gif

Quoted for truth.


ye they planned to rob a gun store but when they saw that there was a dog outside they gave up because the impenatreble fortress that the gun store was, was obviously too well defended for them

Apparently they had been scoping out a store.

[The Douche]

There is some dangerous underestimation of the white power movement in this thread.

C18 and B&H and their affiliated groups are no joke. These are hard dudes and they are prepared to go to seriously violent lengths to make points.

The main reason antifa usually gets the upper hand is because of numbers.

[freakazoid]

There is some dangerous underestimation of the white power movement in this thread.

C18 and B&H and their affiliated groups are no joke. These are hard dudes and they are prepared to go to seriously violent lengths to make points.

The main reason antifa usually gets the upper hand is because of numbers.

Yup. They definitely should not be underestimated.

[bcbm]

There is some dangerous underestimation of the white power movement in this thread.

C18 and B&H and their affiliated groups are no joke. These are hard dudes and they are prepared to go to seriously violent lengths to make points.


And when have they? The last big show of the WP movement I can think of was Oklahoma City. A lot of them have pretty lengthy criminal records but having followed the criminal records of most of the WP dipshits in Wisconsin for the last few years, I can tell you that their hard actions basically amount to beating their wives, driving drunk, illegally having weapons and getting into bar fights.

I should add that the real violent WP groups are the prison gangs and outside affiliates, but they're more interested in cooking meth and shooting at rival Nazi gangs and allies than any political aims.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

white trash (x 2) That's a classist term that demeans the millions of "white" lower-paid workers, unemployed, etc.

You never hear this sort of term used to describe rich white CEOs and politicians.. It's used against those such as poor white workers living in trailer parks.

[freakazoid]

And when have they? The last big show of the WP movement I can think of was Oklahoma City. A lot of them have pretty lengthy criminal records but having followed the criminal records of most of the WP dipshits in Wisconsin for the last few years, I can tell you that their hard actions basically amount to beating their wives, driving drunk, illegally having weapons and getting into bar fights.

I should add that the real violent WP groups are the prison gangs and outside affiliates, but they're more interested in cooking meth and shooting at rival Nazi gangs and allies than any political aims. http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/htm/04630.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/htm/04630.html) Here is a sentence taken out of it,


On 3 November 1979, members of the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi Party attacked Communist Workers Party (CWP) demonstrators as they gathered for a public march in Greensboro, N.C. Five CWP members were killed and eleven others were injured.and
Newspaper accounts revealed that Klansman Ed Dawson, who had organized and led the Klan on 3 November 1979, was a paid Greensboro police informant and past FBI informant. In another investigation, a Greensboro newspaper discovered that Bernard Butkovich, an undercover agent of the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF), had infiltrated the Nazi unit involved in the attack. Butkovich participated in a pre-attack planning meeting and encouraged at least one Nazi to bring guns to Greensboro.Here is another link, http://www.ictj.org/static/GTRC.FinalReport/09.1979.sequence.eng.pdf

[RHIZOMES]

I love how they think they can get away with killing 88 people and wounding 14 more. :lol: They must have the awesomest aim in the world and calmest nerves possible to accomplish that, even Cho and the Columbine guys failed getting anywhere near that high and they would've if they could've. You can't just plan shit like that with the variables involved. And then they were going to make their way from shooting precisely 88 blacks and wounding precisely 14 others, to kill arguably the most guarded person on the planet? To be close enough to get to him from the mass-killing spree, the Secret Service would've evacuated Obama as soon as they had opened fire, let alone killing precisely 88 people. :lol:

Seriously fascists are dumb as fuck.

[jaffe]

And when have they?

Maybe not in the US but in Europe C18 and B&H is still a big thing among nazis

[Sasha]

^^yep, after the wave in nazi terror in sweden a while back where they blew up and or murdered anti-fascists, state officials, journalists and union leaders (and they are still a serious treath over there) we recently seen bomb atacks on packed punk/alternative concerts in austria, murders of anti-facists in spain and italie and not to mention russia where the nazi's ar totaly out of control murdering and blowing up people on an almost weekly basis.
And ofcourse a lot of amaricans (aparantly even US leftists) think there is no world outside the borders of the US so they trow around plattitudes like "no threath from WP/WN/Nazi's"
But there are very tight contacts between the european and the amarican nazi movements, your "free speech laws" fascilitate our nazi terrorists in organising and propaganda so please go out and do stuff against the nazi infrastructure. And not only for us because an new Oklahoma can happen every day.

[The Douche]

Maybe not in the US but in Europe C18 and B&H is still a big thing among nazis in Europe.

It is here, but they don't organize under that name.


And when have they? The last big show of the WP movement I can think of was Oklahoma City. A lot of them have pretty lengthy criminal records but having followed the criminal records of most of the WP dipshits in Wisconsin for the last few years, I can tell you that their hard actions basically amount to beating their wives, driving drunk, illegally having weapons and getting into bar fights.

I should add that the real violent WP groups are the prison gangs and outside affiliates, but they're more interested in cooking meth and shooting at rival Nazi gangs and allies than any political aims.

How about the C18 bombing campaigns in Europe? The dangerous guys in the WP movement aren't trying to be seen or heard from right now in the states. But those guys, on an individual basis, are way more prepared for violence than 99% or people on the radical left, every single one of them own a number of military grade weapons and they know how to use them, they are in good shape, they know how to fight, and I've seen them in action.

It is totally wrong to view the WP movement as a bunch of bumbling morons swilling cheap beer in the backwoods. I'm not saying they're about to kick off the race war, I'm just saying that its wrong to view them as no big deal.

[Sasha]

why racists should vote for Obama

Attention racists! I know this newspaper reaches you where you live, from the dairy farms of Wisconsin, hotbed of the Posse Comitatus, to the basements of Cicero, where the kleinen fuhrers patiently pass the time until the coming of the Fourth Reich, sieg heiling each other and field stripping their weapons, to the White Aryan Brotherhood pumping iron in the exercise yards of our fine penal system Downstate.
And I know you read, because I've heard from each and every one of you, it seems. Thanks for your letters, by the way -- I can't write back, alas, because, you know, no return addresses.
So, as your shared point of commonality -- well, in addition to a deep hatred of blacks, Jews, Catholics, homosexuals, Masons and a dozen other groups -- I have a message for you:
Don't hurt Barack Obama.
Believe it or not, I was writing this BEFORE news came of the feds busting a pair of southern skinheads for plotting to kill the Democratic presidential candidate.
That unsurprising development only makes this message more urgent.
Don't do it -- and I say this, not in a begging, on-my-knees fashion -- you like that image, don't you? -- but as a cold assessment of what is not only in my best interest, and the nation's best interest, but what is also in your best interest, as lone warriors worried about the future of the white race.
Not only should you not harm Obama, but you must vote for him.
Think this though with me.
What happens if Obama is not elected? He becomes the Eternal Might-Have-Been, the lost savior. Four more years of George Bush befuddlement, performed badly by his understudy, John McCain, or more likely, 18 months of it before McCain keels over from the strain, and the naughty librarian Republican pin-up takes the reins of power.
How do you think that will affect your cause? It won't help at all. The present adoration of Obama will seem tepid then, fueled by four years of head-slapping regret.
You don't want that.
What you want is Obama to become president. That would make all your dire predictions seem prescient (that means "knowing the future"). The fear that makes a person embrace Nazi ideology in the first place will be ramped up exponentially (that means "fast").
And what would Obama do as president? He would make decisions, some good, but others bad, and think how those bad decisions will reverberate among people such as yourselves. They would be evidence, not of the missteps of one politician, but a blanket indictment of the entire Black Race. Think of it. The Thing You Fear Most, sitting in the Oval Office, greeting visitors, greeting Girl Scouts, for the love of God! Think about it. Posing for photographs with young, tender Girl Scouts, shaking their small white hands, asking them about cookie sales . . .
Think of what that would do for recruitment. It wouldn't just be you and your buddy Hrolf taking videos of each other brandishing your dad's hunting rifle in menacing poses. You could have real meetings, attract actual followers. The plan for world domination that you so laboriously wrote out in 11th grade detention would come to fruition at last!
Obviously, you want Obama elected -- the nation will soon realize what it has done, the pendulum will swing the other way -- your way. At long last! Ausgerechnet jetzt!
Persuasive stuff. But if I know you -- and I do -- about now you're asking yourself: "Hey, wait a second. This guy's a Jew. Why would a Jew be looking out for the best interest of the Iron Fist of Righteous White Anger, Mount Greenwood Corps?"
Clever. Of course I wouldn't. Of course I would give my advice, in my insidious, deceptive Semitic fashion, assuming that you would see through my ploy and do the opposite of what I suggest.
But you're too smart to fall for that. So instead of doing the opposite, you'll thwart me by doing what I deviously suggested at first, and vote for Obama, then sit back in your basement Fortress of Solitude and wait for the inevitable breakdown of society. Won't Patsy McFarland be sorry then that she told you to buzz off, sorry, when your foresight and your weapons and your stockpiled food make you king, King of Gunderson Avenue!
Do your duty.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/1247379,CST-NWS-stein29.article

:laugh:

[jake williams]

That's a classist term that demeans the millions of "white" lower-paid workers, unemployed, etc.

You never hear this sort of term used to describe rich white CEOs and politicians.. It's used against those such as poor white workers living in trailer parks.
Internally oppressed people do atrocious things. I have no bad feelings about feeling contempt for the Boers. Yes, they're socially and economically oppressed by the "cape", but they're also viciously racist and really generally unpleasant people. Just because you're oppressed doesn't make you immune from criticism, in fact it doesn't mean you're not individually morally repugnant. Actually, oppression often generates negative feelings, which is part of the whole concern.

[freakazoid]

I love how they think they can get away with killing 88 people and wounding 14 more.

Actually it was behead 14, :blink: But yeah, it would be interesting to know how they planned on doing an exact number like that. That is a lot of people. Where they planning on actually counting them all out or something lol.


And not only for us because an new Oklahoma can happen every day.

I'm assuming you are talking about the bombing of the Murah building in Oklahoma City? If so then it should be known that McVeigh was not a racist.


It is here, but they don't organize under that name.

What is this C18 and B&H? Are they nazi/white power groups over there?


why racists should vote for Obama...

:lol:

[Sasha]

I'm assuming you are talking about the bombing of the Murah building in Oklahoma City? If so then it should be known that McVeigh was not a racist.


not? he was inspired by and sold the turner diaries wich is vile racist propaganda. And even if he wasn't he is an hero by the WN/WP movement now and many people feel inspired by him.

[freakazoid]

he was inspired by and sold the turner diaries wich is vile racist propaganda.

He was like Randy Weaver, he was in it for the anti-government stuff. If you were to take out all the racist bullshit from the Turner Diaries, it is a really good book. You can find free downloads online if you ever want to read it. I know that there are links to a free version over at shitfro... excuse me stormfront, :lol:


And even if he wasn't he is an hero by the WN/WP movement now and many people feel inspired by him.


And even if he wasn't he is an hero by the WN/WP movement now and many people feel inspired by him.

I am inspired from him, and I'm an anarchist, blowing up buildings gives me a woody, :lol: He was a believer in the constitution and what it stood for and he believed that the government was turning into a police state and so he felt that as an American citizen it was his patriotic duty to stop the government. If interested about it a book I highly recomend is American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh & The Oklahoma City Bombing by Lou Mchel and Dan Herbeck, http://www.amazon.com/American-Terrorist-Timothy-McVeigh-Oklahoma/dp/0060394072 :)

[bcbm]

http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/htm/04630.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/htm/04630.html) Here is a sentence taken out of it,


Yeah... 1979. That was my point.


And ofcourse a lot of amaricans (aparantly even US leftists) think there is no world outside the borders of the US so they trow around plattitudes like "no threath from WP/WN/Nazi's"Forgive me for talking about the state of the racialist movements within the US in a thread specifically about racialist actions within the US. :rolleyes: Obviously I'm familiar with the movements elsewhere, but that doesn't really apply here. If there was a thread about squats in the US, would you bring up the squatting scene in Berlin? Of course not. Quit trying to play up the "Americans are US-centric morons" stereotype.



It is totally wrong to view the WP movement as a bunch of bumbling morons swilling cheap beer in the backwoods. I'm not saying they're about to kick off the race war, I'm just saying that its wrong to view them as no big deal.They're only really a threat when they're allowed to organize and that has been difficult for them for the past 20 years or so. As it stands, they look a lot like the radical left in terms of all the infighting, splitting, new groups forming and dissolving, etc, etc except that the groups don't ever really do anything. Are there dangerous guys out there? Of course. But on their own its difficult to get much done and most of the ones who are really dangerous are smart enough to get that.


I am inspired from him, and I'm an anarchist, blowing up buildings gives me a woody,

You're inspired by the murder and injury of all sorts of low level state employees and their children? Fuck you.

[DesertShark]

There have been more threats to Obama's life then this one, that's just the only one that made it to the news (I think because of the threat on the high school). If these young men aren't neo-Nazi's or white supremacists, I bet they must feel pretty weird with the Nazi symbol tattooed on their bodies (the news showed a myspace photo of one of the men in a tank top holding a gun and you could clearly see the large tattoo on his right shoulder). They had already shot into a church in Tennessee attended by all or almost all black people, thankfully no one was in the church when it happened and it was the first and only attack on that church in it's history.

While there hasn't been a mass attack of white supremacists or other racist groups on black people, there have been smaller incidents:
Black man dragged to death 200 miles from site of Byrd murder 10 years ago. (http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/24/black-man-dragged-to.html)

You can click on the title above to read the details (or another article about the same incident can be found here (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2os3Oec67F6v92oIIy-6LagVqewD9415H3O3)), but this happened September 16, 2008. **I need to note that it is still be determined whether or not the crime was racially motivated because they haven't determined how his body was dragged**

Then there's the whole Jena 6 and all the bullshit that was going on at that high school in Jena, LA.

And white supremacists aren't just attacking black people:
2 to be charged in hate crime beating (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/swanson-honeycutt-gibbs-2146006-prosecutors-beach)

This was done to a man from El Salvador, happened early September 2008.
Possible Hate Crime Assault by Arizona White Supremacists (http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/Merk+10-08.htm?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_the_News)
This was on September 28, 2008; the two people attacked were Native American.
Oklahoma White Supremacist Convicted of Anti-Gay Hate Crime Sentenced to Five Life Terms (http://www.glaad.org/media/stw_detail.php?id=4760)
This one happened in October 2007 to an old (over 60) gay man.

There are a lot more but I think you get the idea, I just googled "white supremists hate crimes" and found all of those on the first page.

I'm sure there's a lot more crimes that we don't hear about. From the FBI's website (http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel08/hatecrimestats_102708.htm):

Hate Crime Statistics, 2007, includes the following information:


Of the 7,621 single-bias incidents, 50.8 percent were motivated by a racial bias, 18.4 percent were motivated by a religious bias, 16.6 percent were motivated by a sexual orientation bias, and 13.2 percent were motivated by an ethnicity/national origin bias. One percent involved a bias against a disability.
There were 5,408 hate crime offenses classified as crimes against persons in 2007. Intimidation accounted for 47.4 percent of crimes against persons, simple assaults for 31.1 percent, and aggravated assaults for 20.6 percent. Nine murders were reported as hate crimes.
There were 3,579 hate crime offenses classified as crimes against property; most of these (81.4 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism. The remaining 18.6 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other offenses.
Of the 6,965 known offenders, 62.9 percent were white and 20.8 percent were black. The race was unknown for 9.8 percent, and other races accounted for the remaining known offenders.
The largest percentage (30.5 percent) of hate crime incidents occurred in or near homes. Also, 18.9 percent took place on highways, roads, alleys, or streets; 11.3 percent happened at schools or colleges; 6.0 percent in parking lots or garages; and 4.1 percent in churches, synagogues, or temples. The remaining 29.3 percent of hate crime incidents took place at other specified locations, multiple locations, or other/unknown locations.

These people aren't a joke and threats on peoples lives aren't either. Who knows what they will do if Obama is elected.

-DesertShark

[#FF0000]

I love how they think they can get away with killing 88 people and wounding 14 more.


I think decapitating someone is doing a little more than wounding them. :mellow:

[The Douche]

What is this C18 and B&H? Are they nazi/white power groups over there?

Blood & Honor was a crew/magazine/movement started by Ian Stuart. Combat 18 is a violent subgroup that grew out of that crew when they felt it was moving to much to be centered on music and not enough on violent white revolution. Both factions still exist, and both of them exist here in the states. C18 organizes under the name "Council 28" and mainly consists of the "state skins crews" and the Vinlander's Social Club. (And VSC is no fucking joke, I have seen them in person and seen what they can/are willing to do)


He was like Randy Weaver, he was in it for the anti-government stuff. If you were to take out all the racist bullshit from the Turner Diaries, it is a really good book. You can find free downloads online if you ever want to read it. I know that there are links to a free version over at shitfro... excuse me stormfront, :lol:

If Randy Weaver and Tim McVeigh weren't racists why the fuck were they hanging around the Aryan Nations compound? Its pretty hard to take the race stuff out of Turner Diaries, I've read them, I don't care to hear about stringing pregnant "race-traiting" women up from lamp posts.


I am inspired from him, and I'm an anarchist, blowing up buildings gives me a woody, :lol: He was a believer in the constitution and what it stood for and he believed that the government was turning into a police state and so he felt that as an American citizen it was his patriotic duty to stop the government. If interested about it a book I highly recomend is American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh & The Oklahoma City Bombing by Lou Mchel and Dan Herbeck, http://www.amazon.com/American-Terro.../dp/0060394072 (http://www.amazon.com/American-Terrorist-Timothy-McVeigh-Oklahoma/dp/0060394072) :)

You are sick. Blowing up buildings is nothing to get excited about. The fucking US Army blows up buildings too, hooray. He believe in the constitution? So fucking what, I've got news for you, I don't believe in the constitution, because it doesn't provide rights for anybody but white men, get the fuck out of here with that shit. Maybe you ought to be over at www.awrm.org (http://www.awrm.org) where the right wing militia movement hangs out, seems like your ideas would sit pretty well with them.


They're only really a threat when they're allowed to organize and that has been difficult for them for the past 20 years or so. As it stands, they look a lot like the radical left in terms of all the infighting, splitting, new groups forming and dissolving, etc, etc except that the groups don't ever really do anything. Are there dangerous guys out there? Of course. But on their own its difficult to get much done and most of the ones who are really dangerous are smart enough to get that.

I saw 20 or 25 nazis shut down the biggest skinhead event on the east coast this past year. I also saw them bust heads of some of the hardest anti-racist crews in the country, and I didn't see anybody really doing anything to stop them. I know I damn sure didn't try, because it would have resulted in me going to the hospital or possibly dead, and for nothing. Here on the east coast, while the cities are largely devoid of nazis, the suburbs are full of them. Especially in PA and NJ.

[chegitz guevara]

And when have they? The last big show of the WP movement I can think of was Oklahoma City.

They've been getting caught since then.

[freakazoid]

You're inspired by the murder and injury of all sorts of low level state employees and their children? Fuck you.

Yeah, thats what I meant, :rolleyes:


I think decapitating someone is doing a little more than wounding them. http://www.revleft.com/vb/obama-assasination-plot-t93035/revleft/smilies2/mellow.gif

It's just a flesh wound, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4. :laugh:


If Randy Weaver and Tim McVeigh weren't racists why the fuck were they hanging around the Aryan Nations compound?

I don't believe McVeigh was ever at the compund. But Weaver did because he liked the anti-governmentness about it, it had nothing to do with the racism.


Its pretty hard to take the race stuff out of Turner Diaries, I've read them, I don't care to hear about stringing pregnant "race-traiting" women up from lamp posts.

Yeah, the racist stuff is pretty crazy, but it was a pretty good book.


You are sick. Blowing up buildings is nothing to get excited about.

You don't think I actually get a woody from a building blowing up do you? :confused: Notice the laughing smily. I figured I'd play into the steryotipical bomb throwing anarchist. You do know why he chose that specific building right?


He believe in the constitution? So fucking what, I've got news for you, I don't believe in the constitution, because it doesn't provide rights for anybody but white men,

Incorrect. "Men" is a generic term for everybody. Like if you were to use a phrase like "Hey guys." you can also be talking to women, not just men. So when it says All men are created equel it means everybody. If it was only talking about white men then how come women voted in New Hampshire in 1776!?


Maybe you ought to be over at www.awrm.org (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.awrm.org) where the right wing militia movement hangs out, seems like your ideas would sit pretty well with them.

Lots of useful info over there. And I don't think my communist/anarchist beliefs would sit very well with them.

[The Douche]

I don't believe McVeigh was ever at the compund. But Weaver did because he liked the anti-governmentness about it, it had nothing to do with the racism.

I talked to a guy who met McVeigh at the AN compound in Idaho months before he attacked the Murrah building. I met this dude and spoke to him and drank a beer with him. Weaver attended the church regularly (where they promote the idea that jews and non-whites are children of fucking satan) and brought his family to the AN campouts.


Yeah, the racist stuff is pretty crazy, but it was a pretty good book.

Actually it was a mediocre book, I'm not impressed by half assed tactical scenarios. Mortar attacks on the capitol building from wooded parks?? Yeah, that's believeable. Whatever, nothing good about that book.


You do know why he chose that specific building right?


Yeah, it was related to the Waco investigation.


Incorrect. "Men" is a generic term for everybody. Like if you were to use a phrase like "Hey guys." you can also be talking to women, not just men. So when it says All men are created equel it means everybody. If it was only talking about white men then how come women voted in New Hampshire in 1776!?

Constitutionalism is a reactionary and racist movement. You support states rights? So you side with the confederacy over the union? If the federal government did not mandate desegregation then non-whites would still be living in the same conditions they had in the 50s in the south. The federal goverment currently ensures our rights to abortion, the women's vote, the non-white's vote, a minimum wage, labor laws, the 40 hour work-week etc. Do you oppose these things? Constitutionalist thought does! They think that the federal government only has the powers granted to them in the constitution in its original form, all other rights reserved for the states. FUCK THAT.


Lots of useful info over there. And I don't think my communist/anarchist beliefs would sit very well with them.

Seems to me like you're more interested in blowing things up than you are in revolution.

[freakazoid]

I talked to a guy who met McVeigh at the AN compound in Idaho months before he attacked the Murrah building.I stand corrected.


Weaver attended the church regularly (where they promote the idea that jews and non-whites are children of fucking satan) and brought his family to the AN campouts.Doesn't make him a racist.


Actually it was a mediocre book, I'm not impressed by half assed tactical scenarios.I disagree, but taste is relative.


Mortar attacks on the capitol building from wooded parks?? Yeah, that's believeable. Whatever, nothing good about that book.The "terrorists" do mortar attacks some times.


Yeah, it was related to the Waco investigation.Sort of, but there was way more to it than that, I would go into it but my brother is *****ing at me to get on the computer lol.


Constitutionalism is a reactionary...Again not enough time. Plus I think I will make a separate thread to talk about this stuff so as to not further thread jack .


Seems to me like you're more interested in blowing things up than you are in revolution.Nope. Don't know where you would get that. What I have said doesn't even hint at that. I thought that you were an insurrectionary anarchist. I figured that off all people you would understand where I am coming from when I talk about bombings and other such things as a political tool.

[The Douche]

Freakzoid, I also feel this discussion will be better continued in another thread, start it whenever you have the time. I'll see you there.

[crimespotter]

Those skinheads looked like oversized babies.

[fabiansocialist]

That's a classist term that demeans the millions of "white" lower-paid workers, unemployed, etc.

You never hear this sort of term used to describe rich white CEOs and politicians.. It's used against those such as poor white workers living in trailer parks.

'White trash" refers to certain members of the white underclass: living on beer and meth; shotgun and pickup; blaming their woes on Jews, Negroes, and Mexicans; believing in every crazy conspiracy ever concocted (e.g. The Protocols of Zion); beating their wives, and so on. This constitutes American white trash and is the nucleus of American white "nationalism" and "supremacism." It is based on resentment of other ethnicities as responsible for their woes and plight.

[fabiansocialist]

How about the C18 bombing campaigns in Europe? The dangerous guys in the WP movement aren't trying to be seen or heard from right now in the states. But those guys, on an individual basis, are way more prepared for violence than 99% or people on the radical left, every single one of them own a number of military grade weapons and they know how to use them, they are in good shape, they know how to fight, and I've seen them in action.

It is totally wrong to view the WP movement as a bunch of bumbling morons swilling cheap beer in the backwoods. I'm not saying they're about to kick off the race war, I'm just saying that its wrong to view them as no big deal.

On an individual basis they are dangerous, yes. But they don't constitute a coherent political movement and as such they have no strategy for taking over the reins of state power. Furthermore they are always squabbling among themselves. To this extent they are a bunch of bumbling morons -- despite their skills with firearms and explosives. And without a coherent worldview, ideology, and organisation, they shall remain so.

[fabiansocialist]

They've been getting caught since then.

The US ruling class has no problem keeping them under control, monitoring them, jailing them if necessary. Worst come to worst, they can co-opt them: an offer most of them would leap at. And it has been done in the past: a classic ploy by the US ruling class. I imagine the same is true in Europe

[The Douche]

On an individual basis they are dangerous, yes. But they don't constitute a coherent political movement and as such they have no strategy for taking over the reins of state power. Furthermore they are always squabbling among themselves. To this extent they are a bunch of bumbling morons -- despite their skills with firearms and explosives. And without a coherent worldview, ideology, and organisation, they shall remain so.

They may be small and disjointed, but their crews can still do a lot of damage, like I said, I saw a crew of like 25 or 30 nazis shut down the biggest skinhead event on the east coast, the event probably had 400 people at it.

They may not be able to sieze state power but they can hurt us.

[freakazoid]

Freakzoid, I also feel this discussion will be better continued in another thread, start it whenever you have the time. I'll see you there.

I'll get started on it when I get off work, only about 4 more hours, bleh.


But they don't constitute a coherent political movement and as such they have no strategy for taking over the reins of state power.

While there is no massive one party that they all fall under, could you imagine what could happen if they did. And given the right conditions, like for instance a black president coming to power, it wouldn't be to hard to get them organized.


Furthermore they are always squabbling among themselves.

Are they?


And without a coherent worldview, ideology, and organisation, they shall remai

They do pretty much have a coherent worldview and ideology, they mainly lack in organization I believe. Shoot, they are a heck of a lot more unified than we are. You wanna talk about squabbling amongst ourselves.

[bcbm]

Yeah, thats what I meant, http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif

Well that's what fucking happened, so maybe you should do some real good explaining or step back from admiration for piece of shit racists who murdered scores of people.


I saw 20 or 25 nazis shut down the biggest skinhead event on the east coast this past year. I also saw them bust heads of some of the hardest anti-racist crews in the country, and I didn't see anybody really doing anything to stop them. I know I damn sure didn't try, because it would have resulted in me going to the hospital or possibly dead, and for nothing. Here on the east coast, while the cities are largely devoid of nazis, the suburbs are full of them. Especially in PA and NJ.

Sounds like things are worse on the coasts then. Here they can barely manage to have a meeting with 20 people, let alone get them out to do anything. There are some gangs in the bigger cities but they seem less interested in politics than fighting and criminal shit, like I said.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Even if there piss poor conceived plan worked out obama would become a martyr because with all the hype people wont be able to watch him fuck up like they will within the next four years. Nazis would be seens as blocking "progress and change" and may even become a scapegoat (not one which i would be helping stop in a hurry).

WAY TO GO GUYS!

[fabiansocialist]

They do pretty much have a coherent worldview and ideology, they mainly lack in organization I believe. Shoot, they are a heck of a lot more unified than we are. You wanna talk about squabbling amongst ourselves.

Their "world view" (I use the term rashly) is that they are against negroes, Jews, and so on; that there is an intricate centuries-old Zionist plot to control the world; and that if somehow they could throw off the shackles of Jewish control, and have a society only of their type, it would be nirvana. Nowhere do I see any political or economic analysis, or what the contours of their paradise would look like. Private property? Who would do what work? Who would exercise power? I see nothing. This is what I equate with ideology. And lacking this, there cannot be any purposeful organisation. In my opinion.

[Sasha]

Their "world view" (I use the term rashly) is that they are against negroes, Jews, and so on; that there is an intricate centuries-old Zionist plot to control the world; and that if somehow they could throw off the shackles of Jewish control, and have a society only of their type, it would be nirvana. Nowhere do I see any political or economic analysis, or what the contours of their paradise would look like. Private property? Who would do what work? Who would exercise power? I see nothing. This is what I equate with ideology. And lacking this, there cannot be any purposeful organisation. In my opinion.


well, thats because:
a. most nazi's/fascists are idiots
b. everybody wants to be fuhrer, no one wants to be footsoldier
c. of those that have an ideology and more than one functioning brain cell each haves an total diffrent world vision.
The extreme right nirvana can differ from libertarian militia to hardline blackshirt fascist to national bolchevic. The only thing that binds them is there hate.
Here in the netherlands we now have an very vocal group of autonomus nazi's called the NSA/ANS, as long as they were just against stuff they were rapetly growing, now the newness has worn off they get in to problems. The leaders are (almost) national-bolchevic Strasser/Kuhnen fans while the rank and file are facists. And if you express sympathy for hezbollah and Hamas why shouldn't you support the RAF? and so they argeu alot and its only an matter of time before they splinter again.
its chimpansee politics, everybody wants to be alfa male but once they are they find out that its lonely at the top and thay you are under constant atack from the lower ranking guys who are eying your position.

but than again, a lot of leftist (organisations) are not strange to these kind of things either.

the Popular peoples peoples front? splitters!

[fabiansocialist]

The only thing that binds them is there hate.

That's about the only thing that provides these monkeys with any cohesion. In fact, if an enemy didn't exist, he would have to be invented because 1) a common enemy (real or imagined) is their only raison d'etre, and 2) conspiracy theories are the ideologies of the stupid.

They are dangerous only to the extent that their collective numbers might be channeled to the purposes of some dangerous and charismatic demagogue.

[Dean]

I want to point out the same thing I did in OI. Yes, fuck the nazis of course. But in this scenario, it is a shame that they didn't accomplish their mission, and communists most certainly have more in common with the fascists who want to oppress us than with the corporate military system which actively oppresses us. I am always troubled when communists fail to see that.

[fabiansocialist]

and communists most certainly have more in common with the fascists who want to oppress us than with the corporate military system which actively oppresses us. I am always troubled when communists fail to see that.

Maybe I'm being a trifle dense but what could people of the left conceivably have in common with these gorillas, whose emotional currency is rabid hate, who have nothing positive to propose, and whose average IQ is around 80?

[DesertShark]

But in this scenario, it is a shame that they didn't accomplish their mission.
Can you explain this? Are you referring to the young men not going through with their attempt to kill a large group of people? Or are you referring to something else?

-DesertShark

[The Douche]

Maybe I'm being a trifle dense but what could people of the left conceivably have in common with these gorillas, whose emotional currency is rabid hate, who have nothing positive to propose, and whose average IQ is around 80?

Keep pretending they're not a threat, if you really think they're as stupid as you're saying then send your adress to Redwatch, or post it on the B&H/C18 message board.

I mean those morons wouldn't even know what to do with it right?

Nazis and fascists are stupid, its not like they ever took over any countries right? And they definitely aren't gaining massive ammounts of support in eastern europe or Russia...

[fabiansocialist]

Keep pretending they're not a threat, if you really think they're as stupid as you're saying then send your adress to Redwatch, or post it on the B&H/C18 message board.

I mean those morons wouldn't even know what to do with it right?

Nazis and fascists are stupid, its not like they ever took over any countries right? And they definitely aren't gaining massive ammounts of support in eastern europe or Russia...

You are confusing different things. Let's try to sort it out:

1) They might be dangerous to me personally (though don't bet on it). They're not dangerous politically. Two different things. I'm stressing the latter; you're comparing them to the Medellin Cartel.

2) Skinhead morons are one thing; a determined political group with a gifted demagogue (Hitler) at its head is something else. Such morons might have served in the rank-and-file of the freikorps or SA, but without the political organisation provided by peope like Strasser, Rohm, and Hitler, they are nothing. Again, two different things. Are there such organisers and demagogues to give form to such a rabble? Then you might have a case, and you will have persuaded me.

[bcbm]

Keep pretending they're not a threat, if you really think they're as stupid as you're saying then send your adress to Redwatch, or post it on the B&H/C18 message board.

I mean those morons wouldn't even know what to do with it right?

Like I said earlier, it really depends on the area. Nazis had my address and my friends' addresses for well over two years. Guess how many stopped by?

[freakazoid]

Skinhead morons are one thing;

I think it would be best to call them boneheads, as skinhead often means something else amongst the people who use that term for themselves. :)


a determined political group with a gifted demagogue (Hitler) at its head is something else. Such morons might have served in the rank-and-file of the freikorps or SA, but without the political organisation provided by peope like Strasser, Rohm, and Hitler, they are nothing. Again, two different things. Are there such organisers and demagogues to give form to such a rabble? Then you might have a case, and you will have persuaded me.

Well that could be said about pretty much any group, even us. And like has been said, there are groups out there. Wouldn't take much to get them all organized.

[The Douche]

Like I said earlier, it really depends on the area. Nazis had my address and my friends' addresses for well over two years. Guess how many stopped by?

The midwest has always had a stronger anti-fascist position though. It is wrong to underestimate these people thats all I'm saying. If you go about thinking they're morons then they're gonna get the best of you.

[gorillafuck]

Step 1: kill a lot of non-white people in a series of spree killings
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ARYAN NATIONSTATE ESTABLISHED!
'Tis brilliant!

[bcbm]

The midwest has always had a stronger anti-fascist position though. It is wrong to underestimate these people thats all I'm saying. If you go about thinking they're morons then they're gonna get the best of you.

Sure. We shouldn't overestimate their capabilities either though.

[The Douche]

Sure. We shouldn't overestimate their capabilities either though.

No and I don't think I've take such a stance. But I do feel like they represent a threat to me as a left-wing skinhead, and as a left winger in general, when they have the numbers they're not afraid to act, and when backed in a corner they aren't afraid to go to drastic measures from what I've seen.

[Merlin591]

Greetings - this is my first tentative excursion into (what is, for me) a newly discovered website. I wonder about the condemnation of neo-nazi fascists as, somehow, stupid/dense, etc. It is, rather, a matter of weak political consciousness (isn't it?) that, somehow, persuades them of the virtues of crude individuality. In one sense, neo-nazi extremists have a clear academic intelligence: the leader of the South African conservatives was professor of economics at Witwatersrand University. It is not just their arrogant brutality that represents a cause for concern.

[freakazoid]

Welcome. Woh, lots of big words lol. :D