Social progressivism argument does not work?

[spice756]

I know people who are Social progressivism are secularists and believe that science and reason have rendered traditional beliefs to be obsolete but they don't understand the conservative don't care about science and reason .

In other words laws are made base on religion not science and reason .So the social progressivism argument does not work.

The social progressivism view marriage,family unit, gender roles and gender identity ,abolition of slavery ,women rights ,civil rights ,legal recognition of same-sex marriage, distribution of contraceptives must be legally challenged under science and reason not religious belief :cursing:

Social conservatism political views , philosophical views or moral views are base on religious dogma meaning beliefs that holds to be true not science and reason .


In other words social progressivism do not understand why people are barbaric and hold such crazy views and try to change the mind of people base on science and reason .But do not understand that the people do not what science and reason and are social conservatism.

And social conservatism is base on religious belief not science and reason they believe the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values base on religious belief not science and reason .

So how do social progressivism change people in the US than if it is a religious dogma not science and reason ? If it is a religious dogma you cannot disputed the views.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Well people's views are always going to be crafted by their environments. Here in Ireland, despite being viewed as a very Catholic country (indeed, we are in many respects) there is an increasing reliance on science and reason as opposed to religious dogma. Europe is even more secular (except maybe for some of the more backward economies like Poland, but that will change in time).

I've never been to the US and I haven't studied US law but interestingly enough there is a very secular line of jurisprudence which tends to pop its head up from time to time. One example I can remember is the Texas case Lawrence v Texas, where anti-sodomy laws were stricken down by the court and a general principle that you can't outlaw something for moral reasons was established. Such holdings surely inspire confidence in the US system to eventually claw free of the grasp of religion.

[Glenn Beck]

Accessible propaganda to popularize progressive points of view isn't dishonest or strange, it's absolutely necessary. I think you're right that the mainstream culture that prevails in the USA is one not likely to listen to reasoned arguments, and I don't think there's any virtue in pretending that isn't the case like some people seem to do with their over reliance on appeals to "reason" which, like you said, most people couldn't care less about. The only tonic for this is for progressive ideas to resonate emotionally with large segments of the population through increased visibility and well formulated explanations.

I think progressives in the United States (in this context including social liberal reformists) have really dropped the ball in terms of injecting their ideas into the culture and especially reaching out to disaffected members of society in the way that the Republicans did to rural whites ever since politics realigned in the 70s.