Philosophical Basis for the Neo-Cons

[The Muckraker]

Strong Must Rule The Weak (http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=18038)

Yes, that's right, Strauss is back with a vengence, it seems, finding new life in William Kristol, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and all the other neo-cons in the GOP.

Of course, religion is central to the philosphy. No surprise there. Oh, and the masses must be lied to by the leaders for the stability of society. It's like a blueprint for the Bush Junta.

[redstar2000]

This is not a figure that I am familiar with, but if the link's description is accurate, Strauss would appear to be a genuine clerical fascist...or something very close to that.

Wonder how our resident cappies feel about that?

:cool:

[synthesis]

There is something seriously fucked up with this guy.


''The Weimar Republic (in Germany) was his model of liberal democracy for which he had huge contempt,'' added Drury. Liberalism in Weimar, in Strauss's view, led ultimately to the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews. :confused: What the fuck?

[Liberty Lover]

This article looks like it was straight out of the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'. The old Jewish Lobby Conspiracy; no wonder The Muckraker is having a wet dream about it.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 12:10 pm on May 9, 2003)

[The Muckraker]

Liberty Lover,

Are you saying that the article is false or simply taking potshots at me? Have you already reached the stage where you no longer bother with the facts at all and instead simply make sarcastics remarks? I understand that your position is indefensible, but usually your ilk at least go through the motions.

[Moskitto]

that's just great, as soon as someone points out that an ideology is dictatorial in nature, someone moans anti-sematism simply because a Jew is involved...

this attidude is the anti-sematic view since it labels all Jews into this category...

[redstar2000]

I've been doing a little poking around the net on this Strauss bastard...

http://www.ephilosopher.com/article441.html

http://www.straussian.org/

http://home.earthlink.net/~karljahn/Strauss.htm

I have to withdraw my initial characterization of Strauss...a fascist he may have been, but not a clerical one. He evidently thought religion useful to the rule of "superior men", but not in fact true.

The sketchy biographical notes suggest that he did not leave the Third Reich until 1938; did he find it a congenial environment up to the point where that regime's anti-semitism turned deadly?

It occurs to me that the followers of Strauss in the Bush regime must find it awkward rubbing shoulders with all the "born-again" Christians; having to sit and nod agreement to some "Book of Revelations" idiocy must be galling, no matter how much you silently tell yourself "I'm superior; I understand philosophy; this is what you get when you let a bunch of ignorant shitkickers into politics just because they have money."

Late capitalism certainly produces a rich crop of very strange birds indeed.

:cool:

[antieverything]

Well, the Strausian ideology has some pretty scary connections in the American power structure. For example, Bush (and I think his father) was a member of the "Society of Death" at Yale...the main idea of this group (members of which are called "bonesmen") is that it is the obligation of the bonesmen to make sure that power remains in the hands of the wealthy few. They are reported to have been hardcore Hitlerfiles...just like grandaddy bush.

GNN, one of my favorite sites had a pretty good interview with an investigative reporter concerning this organization a while back...you can read it here: </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>HTML </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>


As soon as Bush got into the White House, one of the first social gatherings he had was a reunion of his Skull & Bones members. Then almost immediately he started appointing other members of Skull & Bones into positions into the Justice Department and later the Office of Homeland Security.

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George W. Bush was born in New Haven. He has turned to Skull & Bones throughout his life. He has relied on them for money, for power, for connections – even his baseball deal, which is said to be the one part of his life that he managed on his own, is not absent from Skull & Bones influence… George W. Bush has said to the press that he doesn’t even know if Skull & Bones exists. In his autobiography, George W. Bush mentions Skull & Bones once. He says something to the effect of, “My senior year at Yale, I joined a secret society – so secret, I can’t say anything more about it.” It’s almost as if he wants to stamp it on his resume and then gloat that the rest of us aren’t privileged enough to know anymore about it. To the media, George W. Bush pretends like he doesn’t really know what Skull & Bones is, he doesn’t really care, he really tries to distance himself as much as possible. But it’s all a façade. George W. Bush is a favorite son of Skull & Bones and I think that if he really were so distanced from Yale – if he really believed, as he is so vocal about his disparagement of Yale and the intellectual snobs that go there… if he really believed that, he wouldn’t have sent his daughter there.

[Xvall]

What the fuck?

That's right Dyer. It's people like Karl Marx, Martain Luther King Jr., Albert Einstein, and Pablo Picasso who started the Holocaust. Not right-wing pro-capitalism uber-christians like Adolph Hitler.

[Liberty Lover]

You know not what you speak of fool! ‘The Holocaust’ was a myth invented by Allied propaganda agencies during the war and sustained since then by Jews who wished to use it in order to gain political and financial support for the state of Israel or for their own personal gain. The supposed ‘evidence’ for the Nazis’ wartime ‘mass murder’ of ‘millions’ of Jews by ‘gassing’ and other means was fabricated after the war.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 9:10 am on May 12, 2003
You know not what you speak of fool! ‘The Holocaust’ was a myth invented by Allied propaganda agencies during the war and sustained since then by Jews who wished to use it in order to gain political and financial support for the state of Israel or for their own personal gain. The supposed ‘evidence’ for the Nazis’ wartime ‘mass murder’ of ‘millions’ of Jews by ‘gassing’ and other means was fabricated after the war.


There was still killings of Jews. They were locked up in concentration camps & many died of bombings, disease and shootings as well. The 6 million figure is definitely baloney however.

[Liberty Lover]

Err...I was just joking.

[Liberty Lover]

I think you have read a bit too much David Irving, Totalitarian.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 10:02 am on May 12, 2003)

[Moskitto]

I am sure that the vast majority of Jews do not follow Strauss' ideology, so an attack on the Strauss ideology is not anti-semitic and to claim so would in itself be anti-semitic as it implies that Jews in general hold Mr Strauss in high regard.