A few questions before I'm persuaded

[Student of truth]

1. In a socialist/communistic society, will their be freedom of religion

2. If socialism is working so well, why is it that certain people in cuba complain and feel their human rights are being violated? (especially racism) (under Castro?)

3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

4. Do the people on this site actually pursue this goal, or are they romanticizing the idea of socialist society?

5. Since captialism and communism have been exploited by the evil inherent in the sons of man, what type of boundaries would be set to prevent dictatorships? How would one choose who would do a particular type of labor?

(I say this because it is a FACT, that lighter skin people have a history of exploiting darker skinned people. I wouldn't make a covenant that the orginal natives of the land , that is falsely called america, made.)

[Tatarin]

1. In a socialist/communistic society, will their be freedom of religion

Why wouldn't there be? As long as people's personal beliefs do not intrude on society or the community, people are free to believe in whatever they want.


2. If socialism is working so well, why is it that certain people in cuba complain and feel their human rights are being violated? (especially racism) (under Castro?)

Is there any country in the world where people do not complain that their human rights are getting violated?

Cuba is spotlighted because it has not undermined itself to the global capitalist system. People don't hear very much about the human rights in Vietnam or Laos, even though those countries are still "communist" in any given encyclopedia. Why? Because Vietnam and Laos have "opened up" to the corporate world and invited Pepsi and Nike to have their factories there. Cuba has not.

That is a big example on how corporate media boasts up whatever criticism coming from Cuba. China also committs human rights violations, but it's all within acceptable terms - China is controversial, Cuba is tyrannical. As soon as Cuba becomes another China, Vietnam or Laos, you won't be hearing much about human rights violations.

In addition to that, Cuba isn't socialist to the fullest extent. That the government has full control of the economy doesn't mean it is socialist - the people themselves have to control the government. But first and foremost the people must own their own work.


3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

Unless the ruling class of the world surrenders, it won't happen. It has never happened in history anywhere in the world (as far as I know), so why would it now? In theory, I guess less violence could happen if the revolution was to be "aided" by some global meltdown - economic crisis, or things like peak oil/catastrophes, in fact, revolutions are more likely to happen during such periods when the global capitalist system is in shock.

If you're thinking election, I believe there are a number of problems. Social democracy was once a force with the goal of establishing socialism in the end, but have today become more "welfare-state" oriented. And even then, welfare is slowly being eradicated to give way for privatization.

Parties who get many votes also tend to leave their revolutionary goal and pursue "government position" goals. Where I live, the Left Party was a communist party, now it has removed communism and pursue the welfare state-goal. Take Cyprus. The party that is in government now lists its ideology as "Marxist-Leninism" and "Communism", but even here Cyprus isn't a worker's state.

This and the very basic fact that the ruling class simply won't just give up its wealth and power. If it means turning to fascism and accusing other people, religions and/or cultures for the problem/all problems of society, then that is what they will do.


4. Do the people on this site actually pursue this goal, or are they romanticizing the idea of socialist society?

Of course we are pursuing the goal. May it be on the internet or in real life. Then, revolutions are a fact of history. When the conditions are right, most of us will probably be out on the streets fighting for that better society.


5. Since captialism and communism have been exploited by the evil inherent in the sons of man, what type of boundaries would be set to prevent dictatorships? How would one choose who would do a particular type of labor?

Dictatorships must be prevented by having an open society in where people understand and are involved in politics. Socialism may require a state, true, but the ultimate goal is communism - communities who help each other like a network. Not the kind we have today - where you vote 12 times in your whole life - but a dynamic society where people control their work and make decisions together.

[#FF0000]

1. In a socialist/communistic society, will their be freedom of religion

Sure, why not? Marx himself was very much against religion, as are many communists. However, it isn't as if we can force people to give up their beliefs, and even if we could, what is gained?

We believe that people are religious as a result of the conditions created in a scarcity society. Under socialism, religious belief will naturally begin to wane, because people won't find the need for it, basically.



2. If socialism is working so well, why is it that certain people in cuba complain and feel their human rights are being violated? (especially racism) (under Castro?)

Every state violates human rights, and no one in their right mind is going to tell you that Cuba is a shining example of socialism. In any case, I would say the problems Cuba has are problems with Cuba's specific application of socialism, and not with socialist theory itself.


3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

It wouldn't. It simply is not possible. Transitions between societies like this are consistently violent. Please, point out a nation that when from an agrarian economy to an industrial one, or from feudalism to capitalism, without some degree of conflict and violence. I don't believe it's possible.


4. Do the people on this site actually pursue this goal, or are they romanticizing the idea of socialist society?

The people on the forum who can be active generally are. Others, like me, are in areas without much activity to speak of, so...


5. Since captialism and communism have been exploited by the evil inherent in the sons of man, what type of boundaries would be set to prevent dictatorships?

Well, first of all, evil is not inherent in man. Period. Everything I know from psychology, history, sociology, and anthropology makes it very clear to me that humans, at their most basic level, only want to survive and breed. How they will act to this end, on the other hand, is entirely learned behavior.

Now, as for the central part of your question, there is no definite answer. Different branches of Marxism and anarchism have different ideas and conceptions of what a socialist society will look like. Marxist-Leninists support having a highly centralized state, while anarchists don't believe in having a state at all, with other ideologies believing things somewhere in between those extremes.


How would one choose who would do a particular type of labor?

Karl Marx already answered that question. :)



"In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

[Student of truth]

I think you may have misunderstood my intentions in what may have seemed by critique of cuba. From the mouth of the "peasents" of cuba on the you tube, I heard them saying that they would prefer to move to america. I was taken back, being that my perception of Fidal Castro was of a revolutionary, and not a dictator. I don't at all believe in the "puppet" media.

If socialism was ever to progress into the true communist society, what would prevent a group from one community from forming an army and conquering the rest.

If we were actually able to have communities that depending on each other, that would be great. For a man who is a christian (not in religion, but in action based on the bible) I would look forward to having a true christian community. People who were not christian could have their own communities and practice whatever behavior suited them, correct. There would be no mutual influence between the two, correct. Are most Socialist aetheist?

What about racism? It has been embedded psychologically into the brains of people to look at others as inferior, and though one may be under the assumption that they are not racist, to some degree most are. How would equality be insured in a post revolution society?

How this site truly be valid, knowing that the "capitalist" government is watching this as we type. How do I know that this is not a CIA member, keeping a string attached to the rebellious elements of society?

[Junius]

I think it is natural for peasants, or what are probably just agricultural workers, from poorer countries to have a desire to move to countries which offer a better standard of living. This is not particularly surprising.

[ernie]

I think you may have misunderstood my intentions in what may have seemed by critique of cuba. From the mouth of the "peasents" of cuba on the you tube, I heard them saying that they would prefer to move to america. I was taken back, being that my perception of Fidal Castro was of a revolutionary, and not a dictator.
First of all, Cuba is not a communist nation -- by any definition of the word -- and is socialist only by some definitions (not mine). What Cuba has is what many people call state capitalism. Although Castro did have a huge influence in the decision making process, I wouldn't call him a "dictator" (unless you want to call all heads of state dictators). And perhaps some civil liberties have been trimmed over the years...I've never been there myself, so it's hard to tell.

Cuba turned out this way for many reasons; the whole thing is rather complex to discuss here. However, it had nothing to do with Castro (or any of the Cuban revolutionaries) being "inherently evil". They were true revolutionaries who tried to change the world for the better, and in a lot of ways they succeeded. Compare how Cuba was before the revolution to what it became after it -- in any area, including human rights -- and you'll see what I am talking about. Furthermore, compare Cuba to a place like Haiti now, and you can see what it would have been like had it stayed under the yolk of US imperialism.

I'm not surprised that a lot of Cubans want to come to the US. I think the main reason has little to do with Castro being a "dictator", and more to do with the fact that they expect to have a better standard of living in the US. This is not unique to Cuba in any way. Millions of Mexicans cross the border every year, and Mexico is a capitalist country.


I don't at all believe in the "puppet" media.
What do you mean here? You don't believe the media is a puppet? Or you don't believe what the media says because they are puppets?


If socialism was ever to progress into the true communist society, what would prevent a group from one community from forming an army and conquering the rest.
First of all, not everyone believes that communism must come from socialism. In fact, I believe people are starting to think that we can go straight to communism (or anarcho-communism, or whatever else people might call it), without this "socialist" phase.

Back to the question, what do you mean by "conquer" here? The general response is that, in a classless society, people would have no need to conquer others. Again, the specifics depend on your definition of "conquer".


If we were actually able to have communities that depending on each other, that would be great. For a man who is a christian (not in religion, but in action based on the bible) I would look forward to having a true christian community. People who were not christian could have their own communities and practice whatever behavior suited them, correct. There would be no mutual influence between the two, correct.
If I understand you correctly, I don't think this is how it would work at all. First, as others mentioned, we expect that religion will be almost nonexistent by the time such a society exists. Those who are religious will have to make sure to keep their beliefs to themselves. I highly doubt there would be christian communities or jewish communities.


Are most Socialist aetheist?
Yes.


What about racism? It has been embedded psychologically into the brains of people to look at others as inferior, and though one may be under the assumption that they are not racist, to some degree most are. How would equality be insured in a post revolution society?
I don't understand. Are you saying humans have some kind of a "racist gene"? I seriously doubt this is true. Racism is another superstition that will be gone if and when such a society exists.


How this site truly be valid, knowing that the "capitalist" government is watching this as we type. How do I know that this is not a CIA member, keeping a string attached to the rebellious elements of society?
You don't know. I actually expect that some of the members here are actually agents from various government agencies. When it comes to radical leftists, the ruling class doesn't like to take any chances. I don't think we run any significant risk at this point, though. Communism/anarchism is not a pressing concern for them...yet. When it does become one, I expect sites like this to be taken down ipso facto.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

There are two separate approaches to this question, although almost every socialist I've met would like to avoid violence:

1.) Since Marxists believe in a workers' state, we could see retaliation.

2.) For anarchists, or even libertarian socialists, it would be a matter of workers seizing businesses independent of the state, which could also create retaliation.

That is not interchangeable with going out and killing anyone who disagrees with us.

[Student of truth]

Yet again, I am being misunderstood.

1. I was NOT saying Fidal Castro was a dictator.
2. If I believed in the media, would I even be on this site
3. I am saying that people's perceptions of other races having been altered over time by media, erroneous pervading beliefs,(that by the way won't go away over night)

Here is a prime example:

1. A caucasion male, 5 feet tall, with glasses, walks by a lady in a car at night. He says "it's a chilly night."

She replies with a smile " I feel say for you because you have to walk." They laugh it off and go on with their lives. (she doesn't know he is a serial killer)

2. A black man, 6 feet tall, walks by a lady in a car at night. The doors are immeidately locked. (she doesn't know that he is a doctor)

That is what I mean by psychologically embedded racism.

4. And as for people who truly belive in their god, (such as myself) our belief will not wane because of going back to the old way of living.

I think it would be important to have specific communites so that people could reap the benefit of their actions.

For instance, If a particular community should decide to allow the use of alcohol, and controlled substances, then their inevitably would be problems for that society, however well meaning those intentions were.

In a christian community (by the bible, not like what you see on tv, or what is a form godliness, denying the power therein) We would want to follow the bible. Men would marry women. Women would willing of their own choice, choose rather or not they would marry and be under the authority of their husbands. Certain type of behavior that the rest of the communities choose to exhibit, would be mirrored in christian community. Their will always be the option of leaving the community.

[Student of truth]

have been altered over time by the media perpetuation of...... sad would not mirror (corrections)

[ernie]

For instance, If a particular community should decide to allow the use of alcohol, and controlled substances, then their inevitably would be problems for that society, however well meaning those intentions were.

In a christian community (by the bible, not like what you see on tv, or what is a form godliness, denying the power therein) We would want to follow the bible. Men would marry women. Women would willing of their own choice, choose rather or not they would marry and be under the authority of their husbands. Certain type of behavior that the rest of the communities choose to exhibit, would be mirrored in christian community. Their will always be the option of leaving the community.
Wow, did I misread you!

Let me save you some suspense: you won't like it here. Leftists don't want to follow the bible. We sure as hell don't want women living under the authority of their husbands, or any other authority, for that matter. Not even "god's". We are a bunch of godless radicals. Sorry...

[JimmyJazz]

I think you may have misunderstood my intentions in what may have seemed by critique of cuba. From the mouth of the "peasents" of cuba on the you tube, I heard them saying that they would prefer to move to america. I was taken back, being that my perception of Fidal Castro was of a revolutionary, and not a dictator. I don't at all believe in the "puppet" media.

Tonight I went to a talk by Gloria La Riva, the PSL candidate for president who has been to Cuba 16 times, and she begs to differ. She showed a film (that she made) called "workers' democracy in Cuba", which not only showed how the national meeting of union delegates makes the countries' major economic decisions, but also interviewed many individual workers, who basically all had good things to say about Cuban democracy. A few, who knew enough about international politics to do so, compared it favorably to American democracy. They were unanimous in either arguing against or outright dismissing the claim that Fidel is a "dictator". About a quarter of the people at this talk had also been to Cuba, and they pretty much all agreed that this was how average Cuban workers talk about their government, and that the movie had not falsely portrayed things. By the way, this film was made in 1996, right in the midst of a HUGE depression for Cuba after it lost its biggest trading partners in Russia and Eastern Europe. The "Great Depression" in the U.S. was a 25% loss in productivity; the "Special Period" in Cuba was a 34.5% loss in productivity, and 1996 was several years into the Special Period. So if Cuban workers were basically satisfied with their government in 1996, it's quite safe to say they were happy from 1960 to 1990 when they had some large socialist countries to do trade with.

[Student of truth]

I'm not sure of that, I think you speak for yourself. Also, you must have missed the part where I said that they could CHOOSE if they wanted to get married, and CHOOSE if they wanted to follow what that marraige constituted. No man would have authority over any woman other then that specific relationship. I don't mean a "ultimate authority" to where she would be convicted by a "law". I ask this, because I wonder if christians would have the liberty to live like this without being persecuted by aetheists in a communist society. See, it goes both ways. (don't equate authority with what you think slavery. You seem quick to misconstrue my words and take them to the extreme. Cornell West is leftist, marxist, and he is christian also. I have no desire to "rule" over anyone, but for having a family, (a christian family) a wife usually agrees to let him be the head authority of that house hold. "wives submit your selves to your husbands," and vice versa "husbands submit yourselves to your wives" so it says in the bible.

[Student of truth]

I dont' believe anything they say totally. I know that it is distorted, and influenced by corporations, and affluent people. you ever heard Nas' song "Sly Fox"

1. "Sly Fox, Cyclops, locked in the idiot box/ broadcasting waco davidian plots/ They own youtube, myspace/ tell me when this ignorant sh*t gon' stop/ They monopolize and news your views/ and the channel you choose/ propaganda, visual cancer."

[#FF0000]

I think you may have misunderstood my intentions in what may have seemed by critique of cuba. From the mouth of the "peasents" of cuba on the you tube, I heard them saying that they would prefer to move to america. I was taken back, being that my perception of Fidal Castro was of a revolutionary, and not a dictator. I don't at all believe in the "puppet" media.

Well, yeah. Even if Castro wasn't a dictator, conditions in Cuba are pretty bad. There isn't any significant industry in Cuba, I believe, so the means for a really great standard of living outside the cities don't really exist.[/quote]



If socialism was ever to progress into the true communist society, what would prevent a group from one community from forming an army and conquering the rest.

Probably the fact that they would stand to gain nothing, as everybody's needs are addressed, and the workers would no longer be forced to sell their labor, allowing them to use it for something meaningful and fufilling to them.


If we were actually able to have communities that depending on each other, that would be great. For a man who is a christian (not in religion, but in action based on the bible) I would look forward to having a true christian community. People who were not christian could have their own communities and practice whatever behavior suited them, correct. There would be no mutual influence between the two, correct.

Er, that wouldn't be how society at large would be organized at all. Communism is internationalist, and we are against all borders. Also, religion at this point would have died out, as people wouldn't need to turn to religion for fufillment.


Are most Socialist aetheist?

Yes.


What about racism? It has been embedded psychologically into the brains of people to look at others as inferior, and though one may be under the assumption that they are not racist, to some degree most are. How would equality be insured in a post revolution society?

What? That isn't true. Racism is learned. Humans may have a tendency to group people in their heads as "outsiders" or "friends" or whatever, (thats debatable, I think), but humans can do this based on a lot of things, not just skin color. Racism is learned.

Also, the abolition of private property and the common ownership of all the means of production (land, farms, factories, workshops...etc) would ensure equality, basically.


How this site truly be valid, knowing that the "capitalist" government is watching this as we type. How do I know that this is not a CIA member, keeping a string attached to the rebellious elements of society?

I don't see how the government would gain from keeping up this ruse.

[#FF0000]

I'm not sure of that, I think you speak for yourself. Also, you must have missed the part where I said that they could CHOOSE if they wanted to get married, and CHOOSE if they wanted to follow what that marraige constituted. No man would have authority over any woman other then that specific relationship. I don't mean a "ultimate authority" to where she would be convicted by a "law".

You know, someone can CHOOSE to sell themselves into slavery, but it doesn't make it any less reactionary and backwards.

[Student of truth]

so then also under that belief, I guess children shouldn't be under the "authority" of their parents?

If I am being taught by a teacher, I would submit myself under the authority of his/her tutelage. Aside from that they would have no other authority over me.

Also, since you wanted to take my statement about a wife CHOOSING to submit to her husbang, I'll truly test your comment about no authority.

For example: suppose that all the adults in the community produced offspring. The offspring would eventually grow up and outnumber the adults, even though they maybe only 13 or 14 at the time. Would

[Student of truth]

would you agree that at 13 and 14, we all don't have the best of rational or critical thinking compared to an adult. So what if all of the teenagers decided to make a decision based on a temporary pleasurable outcome, not seeing the negative consequences it may have had on the communit? Thinking about the implications of this and then get back to me, if it suits you.

[#FF0000]

would you agree that at 13 and 14, we all don't have the best of rational or critical thinking compared to an adult. So what if all of the teenagers decided to make a decision based on a temporary pleasurable outcome, not seeing the negative consequences it may have had on the communit? Thinking about the implications of this and then get back to me, if it suits you.

This isn't comparable to a wife submitting to the authority of her husband, because a wife has the ability to be rational and think critically. The authority of teachers and parents over students and children is based in experience and knowledge. The authority of the husband over the wife is as baseless as the authority of the state over the people.

[Kukulofori]

The authority of the husband over the wife is as baseless as the authority of the state over the people.

Or that of master over slave. It seems rather hypocritical to speak of the evils of racism and then start spouting nonsense about men owning women, but on topic.

1. Absolutely, why wouldn't there be?

2. There are people in every country who complain about everything. It's just the media focuses on complaints about Cuba specifically, because they don't want their example to spread to other countries. In reality, Fidel Castro is almost universally loved.

You really have to take the media with a grain of salt. It is all owned by major capitalist powers, especially in America.

It's also worth noting that Cuba isn't true socialism. It's a step forward compared to the rest of the world, but the state has more power than anyone else so it's not socialist.

3. Barring another Black Death, it probably wouldn't. There's a one in a million chance that an actual revolutionary will become head of government and get some stuff done, but that has never happened in all of history.

4. The only thing we can really do at the moment is try to gain public support, the same way any other movement does. I and the rest of the site try our hardest, but more help is always needed.

5. Depends on your flavour. Leninism doesn't, and this is why it has historically always failed. Anarcho-socialism does by preventing anyone from having enough power to dictate their way out of a paper bag.

And there is no evil inherent in the sons of man. People are simply acting in their own best interest, evil is extremely scarce.

As for who does what work, well, can't people decide that for themselves?


From the mouth of the "peasents" of cuba on the you tube, I heard them saying that they would prefer to move to america.

Comparing Cuba to America is a little silly. America is buttfuck rich, Cubans make like $20 a month. A more accurate question for these purposes would be to ask a Cuban if they want to move to another Central American country, where people live less happy, less healthy, shorter lives.


If socialism was ever to progress into the true communist society, what would prevent a group from one community from forming an army and conquering the rest.

The army.

Nobody will join an army to help someone when they know they will be oppressed if they win. And if everything's public property, what's to conquer?


What about racism? It has been embedded psychologically into the brains of people to look at others as inferior, and though one may be under the assumption that they are not racist, to some degree most are. How would equality be insured in a post revolution society?

A hell of a lot better than it is now, that's how. Without an authority enforcing divisions they tend to disappear, like segregation or women voting.


How this site truly be valid, knowing that the "capitalist" government is watching this as we type. How do I know that this is not a CIA member, keeping a string attached to the rebellious elements of society?

The message is the same no matter who's giving it, right?

If it was the CIA, they'd do everything they could to discredit us. They wouldn't legitimize us by allowing smart people to post here.

It is true that a lot of cops like to keep an eye on our activities, though. It's best to just not start a witch hunt that would divide the left even more than it already is.


For instance, If a particular community should decide to allow the use of alcohol, and controlled substances, then their inevitably would be problems for that society, however well meaning those intentions were.

The Netherlands has no drug laws. This has caused a LOT less problems than the US's war on drugs.


I'm not sure of that, I think you speak for yourself. Also, you must have missed the part where I said that they could CHOOSE if they wanted to get married, and CHOOSE if they wanted to follow what that marraige constituted. No man would have authority over any woman other then that specific relationship. I don't mean a "ultimate authority" to where she would be convicted by a "law". I ask this, because I wonder if christians would have the liberty to live like this without being persecuted by aetheists in a communist society. See, it goes both ways. (don't equate authority with what you think slavery. You seem quick to misconstrue my words and take them to the extreme. Cornell West is leftist, marxist, and he is christian also. I have no desire to "rule" over anyone, but for having a family, (a christian family) a wife usually agrees to let him be the head authority of that house hold. "wives submit your selves to your husbands," and vice versa "husbands submit yourselves to your wives" so it says in the bible.


There's nothing stopping a community from being as backwards as it wants to and shitting on the civil rights advances of the past few hundred years, no. Thankfully, there's nothing forcing them to join those communities either, so no women would join a community where they knew they would be oppressed and it'd die out fairly quickly.

[Led Zeppelin]

1. In a socialist/communistic society, will their be freedom of religion

Yes.


2. If socialism is working so well, why is it that certain people in cuba complain and feel their human rights are being violated? (especially racism) (under Castro?)

Cuba is not socialist, some on the revolutionary left claim that it is in the process of building socialism, while others disagree.


3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

It can't.


4. Do the people on this site actually pursue this goal, or are they romanticizing the idea of socialist society?

Some do, others don't.

This site isn't a monolothic whole.


5. Since captialism and communism have been exploited by the evil inherent in the sons of man, what type of boundaries would be set to prevent dictatorships? How would one choose who would do a particular type of labor?

Socialism/communism didn't degenerate into dictatorship because of "an inherent evil within the sons of man", whatever that is supposed to mean.

It degenerated because the material conditions required for socialist/communist societies did not exist, and that did not exist because the revolution failed to spread to the more advanced capitalist nations.

How can you make sure that it won't happen in the future? Make sure that no measures are taken to curbe proletarian democracy until the revolution spreads. Of course this can only be done within certain limits. If it fails to spread to the more advanced capitalist nations for long it will inevitably degenerate once more, even if it can hold out for a long time (see Cuba).

[Student of truth]

For the last time, I am NOT suggesting imposing any tyrannical rule over women. Christian women who follow the bible choose to WILLINGLY submit themselves to the authority of their husband. It does not mean they have no say, it just means the MAN in the family makes the final decision. It does not mean that they must follow anything he says, especially if it goes against the bible. That's why I suggested there being different communities. I am not trying to impose christianity on anyone, neither does god. Man may have tried, and failed.

Also as far as drug usage goes, I understand the double standard and facade of the war on drugs. I am not saying I agree with anything the present government of the US says, however; I know that those who choose to use these in there society will have a problem. That's why again, I suggested different communities. The individual has the oppurtunity to join with a community that would fit their interests.

[Led Zeppelin]

For the last time, I am NOT suggesting imposing any tyrannical rule over women. Christian women who follow the bible choose to WILLINGLY submit themselves to the authority of their husband.

Some slaves "WILLINGLY" submitted themselves to the authority of slaveowners.

Also, read up on stockholm-syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome).

[Student of truth]

Okay, fine. I guess in communist community, the mandate of particular person's god would not be allowed to be followed. For instant: "thou shalt not still", but I guess you would say there is no such thing as stilling since no one would technically own anything. If a pastor was to inform his community about what the bible considers to be homosexuality, he would be considered a hate monger, right?

Even in a communist society, I would still TRY to live by the bible, and respect the spiritual authority in the church. If other people didn't agree with it, they would not have to follow it, but you can't condone freedom of speech. Those of you who claim to want no authority, hypocritically critize my belief in god because you don't agree with it. But christianity would not impose any rule other than those who would choose to be under it. The ultimate authority they would choose to answer to would be god.

[Led Zeppelin]

Erm, no offence but there are a lot of religious women who do not submit themselves to the authority of men.

And there are also a lot of pastors who have no problem with homosexuality. Hell there are even homosexual pastors!

I don't really care that much though because in a communist society religion would already have died out largely, and the people who still are religious would be of the type described above.

I'm not sure why this is such an issue for you.

[Student of truth]

Because I am not religious, I really believe in god. Religion is man made, but a relationship with god is spiritual, eventually permeating through to the soul and flesh. It's hard for an aethiest to get this, because he or she does not believe in a true good or evil, but my experiences in life testify that both are genuine. (God, Devil)

[Led Zeppelin]

Well that should make it even less of an issue for you.

You don't hate homosexuals right? And you don't want your wife to submit to your authority, I presume?

Ok, good, I don't see the problem? :confused:

[Student of truth]

I don't hate homosexuals, but neither will I hesitate to tell them of the enmity between god they have because of there sexual orientation, if they want to be christians. Before I get married, I will discuss with my wife, that verse in the bible with her pertaining to submisson to her husband, and like the husband submitting to his wife. In the new testament, it says that as the church is under the authority of christ, so should a wife be under the authority of her husband. If she had a problem with this, we would not get married. If she has a problem with this once were married, then we can get a divorce. I would never force someone to do something they didn't want to do, (unless it would be stopping a child from eating something that would choke, a situation to that effect) There seems to be a lot of "right-wing" paranoia on this site. It is impossible for me to be apart of the right wing. 1. I am a member of a "minority" that is hated world wide 2. I am nowhere close to being middle class 3. I am not a uncle tom

[Led Zeppelin]

So basically all of this is your personal problem (or issue, if you will) and has no impact at all on society at large...again, I don't see why this is an issue.

I do however believe that your personal standards are backward and absurd, and in a communist society you would have a lot of people telling you this, and also have a hard time finding someone to be with/marry.

[Student of truth]

Backward and absurd to someone who doesn't believe in the bible.

1 Corithians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved the power of god"

Even though we disagree on this, true christianity would not impose itself on anything. The final judgement, as spoken of in revelation, is when jesus said "every knee will bow" because he will come back and all will see who is the true god. In between now and then, I don't see why christians can't be communist/socialist/leftist. There is no absolute authority now on this earth. If I should choose to move from the US into a certain part of africa, I would be under a new authority, or no authority all depending on where I moved to. So if we, who are socialist/communist/leftist should choose to establish our own society, those who are under christ would be in no violation of God. If I don't submit to the authority of the US, then I suffer the consequence of the state. "render unto ceaser what is ceaser's" it says in the bible.

[#FF0000]

1. I am a member of a "minority" that is hated world wide 2. I am nowhere close to being middle class 3. I am not a uncle tom

And none of this means that you can't have reactionary ideas and beliefs.

[Kukulofori]

The bible is backwards and absurd to someone who doesn't believe in the bible.

If you take a history of religion class you learn that pretty much everything in it is just a result of the politics of the time, it's been heavily censored. If you believe in Christ that's fine but take the bible with a grain of salt; you're literally reading political propoganda from a few thousand years ago.

[Charles Xavier]

1. In a socialist/communistic society, will their be freedom of religion
Yes
2. If socialism is working so well, why is it that certain people in cuba complain and feel their human rights are being violated? (especially racism) (under Castro?)

Go to Cuba, the people aren't complaining, the ones who are are the millionaires and their families who left many years ago in Miami. I've been to the "third" world, Cuba doesn't have the excess poverty many other Latin American countries do.

3. How would socialism overcome capitialism without violence?

We are willing for peaceful change to socialism, the ruling class though...

4. Do the people on this site actually pursue this goal, or are they romanticizing the idea of socialist society?

I'm a member of the communist Party of Canada.

5. Since captialism and communism have been exploited by the evil inherent in the sons of man, what type of boundaries would be set to prevent dictatorships? How would one choose who would do a particular type of labor?
(a) Democracy.

(b) According to their own abilities.

(I say this because it is a FACT, that lighter skin people have a history of exploiting darker skinned people. I wouldn't make a covenant that the orginal natives of the land , that is falsely called america, made.)