Capitalists against Bush

[The Muckraker]

You know it's a bad plan when even the capitalists are coming out against it:

Buffett and Munger Against Bush Tax Plan (http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/editorial/48302.php)

From the story:

Buffett objected to the inherent unfairness of President Bush's plan, which he said "will result in us (himself and Munger) giving a smaller percentage of our income to Washington than the people who work in our shoe factory."

Buffett also said, "This is not going to stimulate the economy. It will stimulate us."

At least a couple of them got it right.

[Dirty Commie]

Hehehe, some of the richest people in the country against bush's plan to pay the rich for their deceitfull lies.

[redstar2000]

The old Communist Party U.S.A. used to talk about the "progressive" and "reactionary" sections of the capitalist class.

It would have been more appropriate then, and now, to speak of the "intelligent" and "stupid" sections of the capitalist class.

Buffett and Munger are "smart capitalists"...they look into the future and see that if the capitalist class becomes too openly greedy, the working class might be inclined to draw Marxist conclusions about class warfare.

Most capitalists, especially in the oil & energy sector, support Bush with genuine enthusiasm; their short term lust for the riches of Iraq, Iran, and central Asia and their ever-present desire not to pay taxes on any of the plunder make them utterly indifferent to future unintended consequences.

The capitalist class has always produced Buffett-types and Bush-types. Sometimes one type is in charge, sometimes the other.

Neither are any friends of ours.

:cool:

[The Muckraker]

Hmmmm. Did I say that they were friends? Or is that just you reading what you want to read without taking into account what was actually written again? Oh yeah, it's the latter.

Are you sure you're not Ari Fleischer?

[The Muckraker]

"Buffett and Munger are "smart capitalists"...they look into the future and see that if the capitalist class becomes too openly greedy, the working class might be inclined to draw Marxist conclusions about class warfare."

Wow, you can tell all of that from this one piece? You a mind reader, too?

What's really rich is that you seem to suggest that things will have to get worse before the proletariat sees the wisdom of Marxism. Yet, somehow, we've both done so, as have many others on this board. What makes us so special? Are you suggesting that others are just too stupid to get it?

[Sensitive]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 7:17 pm on May 7, 2003

It would have been more appropriate then, and now, to speak of the "intelligent" and "stupid" sections of the capitalist class.

Buffett and Munger are "smart capitalists"...they look into the future and see that if the capitalist class becomes too openly greedy, the working class might be inclined to draw Marxist conclusions about class warfare.

Most capitalists, especially in the oil & energy sector, support Bush with genuine enthusiasm; their short term lust for the riches of Iraq, Iran, and central Asia and their ever-present desire not to pay taxes on any of the plunder make them utterly indifferent to future unintended consequences.

The capitalist class has always produced Buffett-types and Bush-types. Sometimes one type is in charge, sometimes the other.

Neither are any friends of ours.

:cool:
Yes, that is what I think of this as well.

[Tkinter1]

"Buffett and Munger are "smart capitalists"...they look into the future and see that if the capitalist class becomes too openly greedy, the working class might be inclined to draw Marxist conclusions about class warfare."

Are you presenting this as an opinion or a fact red?

[redstar2000]

You seem to be an extraordinarily "touchy" fellow, Muckraker. Why are you so upset?

Notice that you didn't actually disagree with any thing I said; you just chose to attack me for what? For saying anything?

Normally, I don't bother with this kind of crap, but just this once...

"You a mind reader"? No, Muckraker, I am a Marxist with many years of experience and study of how capitalists think and act. Do you think that somebody like Buffett is the first such character to come along? Where do you think utopian socialism got its start?

"Things will have to get worse before the proletariat sees the wisdom of Marxism". Close, but not quite. Things will get worse inevitably and therefore the proletariat will see the wisdom of Marxism, not as mere theory, but as a practical imperative.

"Are others too stupid to get it?" Some are.

"Did I say that they were friends?" Did I say that you said they were friends???

"Are you sure that you're not Ari Fleischer?" Are you sure that you're not AK47?

Now, you like that kind of crap? You think any useful purpose is served by it?

If you do, then you'll have to play with yourself. If you don't, then knock it off.

:cool:

[Nic8]

Redstar2000 put nothing in your mouth. He/she simply ellaborated on what you said. He obviously did not get all that from one article; is it not possible she/he has already thought about this before he/she read your article?

Stop pretending everyone is out to get you and don't be so defensive, save your anger for the people who really are out to get you, the capitalists.

[The Muckraker]

Redstar2000 has previously shown a propensity for lying about what I write, so I may be a bit defensive.

However, if people are impressed by his brilliant insight that Buffett and Munger are not socialists, so be it.

[redstar2000]

Tinkter1, of course I am expressing an opinion...but I prefer to consider it informed speculation. :cheesy:

:cool:

[Totalitarian]

RedStar2000

Things will get worse inevitably and therefore the proletariat will see the wisdom of Marxism, not as mere theory, but as a practical imperative.


Could you please explain a little about this practical imperative? I'm not a fan of materialistic capitalism ( the rape of the planet) but i don't like the violent nature of Marxist theology. How exactly will a race with so many different aptitudes and an obvious lack of physical or behavioural equality maintain their "equal" share of work and payment under the "people's" state?

Perhaps i don't know enough about Marxism, but the impression i get with it is that it's not planning ahead, i don't see much of this practical application you're talking about.