White Nationalists - Do you allow them to join?

[smith196]

I know that you ban Nazis, but do you allow white Nationalists on your board. I am asking because a couple of my friends, who are White Nationalist, would like to join your board, but are not sure whether they are allowed under your forum rules? I can say they are both civil and intelligent people who would not resort to flaming or the like.

[CubanFox]

What exactly is white nationalist? Sounds KKK related/fascist. If it isn't, forgive my ignorance.

[pastradamus]

White Nationalist,eg republican are permitted.
But KKK punks are not tolerated here.

[redstar2000]

White nationalist? What the hell is that?

Of all the nutball definitions of "nation-hood", I don't think I've come across anything that weird.

How "black" are you allowed to "look" before you're deprived of "citizenship" in the "white nation"?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, where does this idiocy come from?

:cool:

[Anonymous]

How "black" are you allowed to "look" before you're deprived of "citizenship" in the "white nation"?


This isn't determined through skin color, but rather through genetic testing.


Either:

1/32 negroid

1/16 mongoloid

1/3 Amerindian


I belive white nationalists are similar to black nationalists in many ways. Both seek a certain degree of seperation between the races. Not because they feel they are superior, but because they wish to preserve their culture. At least that's what I'm told. In fact, I've seen many white nationalists give praise to the likes of Louis Farrahkan and Marcus Garvey.


All Nazis and klansmen are WNs (to some degree), but not all WN's are Nazis and klansmen.

[El Barbudo]

Fuck all exteme-rightists!

[Anonymous]

Fuck all extreme-leftists.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 7:33 pm on May 6, 2003)

[RedCeltic]

The last two posts are just stupid. As we've seen on this board over and over again, the right does not hold a monopoly on racism. And, yes any way you boil it, White Nationalism or Black Nationalism are both racism.

*************** is an example of White Nationalism. They are a bunch of holicaust denying half wits. You are not able to post on Stormfront's messageboard unless you can show that you are a true WHITE Natonalist. This means that every time you post on there the admin have to read your post and than approve it before it can be posted.

While we are more accepting of other viewpoints on Che-lives, we do not accept the racist ideologies that those people spread.

[Umoja]

There is a clear difference between white power and black power and white nationalism and black nationalism. White power/Nationalism usually focuses despite what they may say, on the white race being superior to everyone else. Black nationalism is rather a form of counter racism, but regardless the situation is totally different because to actually be racist one must be in a posistion of power.

[commie kg]

I agree with RedCeltic. The "White Nationalists" at *************** are rabid anti-semites, anti-slavs, and for the most part, pro-Nazi.
If these people are going to bring racist views here, then they might as well not come.

[Donut Master]

I suppose if someone with racist views actually wanted to come here to have a civil debate about the legitimacy of "racial science", etc. it would be alright. Besides, I would smash their pitiful arguments to pieces... however, I have seen very few racists who are willing to do this. Most would come in here just to spew racial slurs at us, and they might as well leave if that is their agenda.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Umoja on 2:19 am on May 7, 2003
There is a clear difference between white power and black power and white nationalism and black nationalism. White power/Nationalism usually focuses despite what they may say, on the white race being superior to everyone else. Black nationalism is rather a form of counter racism, but regardless the situation is totally different because to actually be racist one must be in a posistion of power.


In my opinion they are both forms of nationalism, and so are equivalent in that sense.

Those that believe the white races to be superior, are more what you might call white supremacists, that is they think whites have the right to either enslave or murder the others. I think this view is based primarily on ignorance, or on dwelling too much on a narrow aspect of life.

There are some white nationalists however, who are peaceful people that believe the only way to avert genocide & racial conflict is to have people living more or less within their traditional ancestral lands.

Some whites are more moderate, and would like to stop nonwhite immigration to the west and unite white people as a collective entity so that they have better chance of survival within a multi-racial environment.

All nationalist groups will tend to have a different approach, because they are based on different peoples. So WN, BN & zionism are all nationalist movements, but have different emphasises.

White supremacists pick out particular cultural or physical peculiarities (such as the high rate of blonde hair/blue eyes amongst whites) to claim superiority. I have also noticed black supremacists make claims that whites are an inferior mutant people that must be destroyed, and some jewish supremacists are equally contemptible against gentiles whom they perceive as acting against the interests of the jewish people.

By making the definition of racism a matter of relative power rather than the actual beliefs, i think the issue becomes confused. For example, in zimbabwe the state is black racist and encourages violence against whites. But comparatively speaking, whites are a "privileged" group in terms of their average socio-economic position vs. that of zim. blacks. Would you consider the zimbabwean government to be racist or not?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:31 am on May 7, 2003
Fuck all extreme-leftists.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 7:33 pm on May 6, 2003)


Only if your hot :biggrin:

White nationalist, it sounds racistic and nationalistic, kinda everything I stand against.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

White Nationalist/Black nationalist.....it's all racist.

So, essentially, the question is does this forum allow racists in.

A simpler name to understand what smith196's "friends" is, basically, racist xenophobes.

Just a question, how do you tolerate your "friends'" views, however "civil" they may be. I wasn't aware you could be racist and "civil" all at once.

(Edited by Socialsmo o Muerte at 9:55 pm on May 7, 2003)

[Umoja]

But regardless Black Nationalism is reactionary. Zimbabwe is a good example, the anti-colonialist policies have led to outright racism. Not for superiority, but because of actual anger built up.

[MiNdGaMe]

In their links directory there is, White Nationalism, Anti-Semitism, KKK, Neo-Nazi, Christian Fundamentalism the list goes on.

[Anonymous]

Interesting.

The marxists see racism as a "divisive tactic" complementary to the bourgeois oppression of the proletariat. While the racists see classism as a "divisive tactic" used by PC Liberals, communists, and of course Jews, to further divide the white race and culture.

[American Kid]

If Smith's friends weren't going to resort to name-calling and flaming then they wouldn't fit in too well here at all anyway.

-AK

(Edited by American Kid at 11:00 am on May 8, 2003)

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 3:13 am on May 8, 2003
Interesting.

The marxists see racism as a "divisive tactic" complementary to the bourgeois oppression of the proletariat. While the racists see classism as a "divisive tactic" used by PC Liberals, communists, and of course Jews, to further divide the white race and culture.



I have thought the same myself. Marxists appear to desire a war between those with lots of material wealth and the majority of the Human Race who have very little. While racists want to divide us all up based on race, so that communication and collaboration is prevented.

Both of these beliefs lead to division in the Human Race. We need to be unified in our diversity. A mosaic of races, castes, peoples, cultures, tribes and orders all working together for a common cause, serving all sentient beings and the living, breathing, nothingness sustaining reality.

A racist is someone who believes that their race is superior. But superior in what? The white races are certainly the most complexified in terms of cultural invention, however it is now afflicted by deep delusion.

The problems of racism would be solved if everyone realised the Human Race as a living cell composed of organelles. These organelles are races, sub-races, families etc.

Do different organs of a body pick on each other because they have different functions towards the same end?