How can Zionism be defeated? - Let's create OUR new world or

[Totalitarian]

The tyranny of Zionism, a 50-year shower of blitzkrieg upon palestine, looks like it may culminate in an eventual purging of arabs from those lands.

Does anyone really think that Bush would have declared war on iraq if not for his "special friendship" with israel?

These are by and large the same Zionists who control the system of finance capitalism, who run mass media companies & direct national governments.

The progenitors of the Human Race (that's us) cannot tolerate any more the scourge of war, the lesions it causes upon the body of our race, hampering our chances for survival & the glorious, unimaginable future of perfected evolution.

Zionism is an intrinsic part of capitalism. The powerful Jewish religion has some destructive adherents that are very smart and committed to their goal of global domination!

[MarxIsGod]

You are either anti-semitic, a conspiracy theorist, or both. Not all Jews are Zionists, nor do they want to take over the world. Given how much of a minority it is as far of # of followers, if the Zionists seriously wanted to take over the world, I'm sure somebody would step up and stop them.

[GWF]

80 % of all wars is based on religion.

But if you take away peoples religion, you take away a piece of there freedom, and that would make us fascists doesn't it.

[synthesis]

Zionism is an intrinsic part of capitalism.

Untrue.

[Reuben]

i get the impression that zionism is being used as a euphamism (another way of saying) for another word.
Personally i do not believe that when you say zionist you mean the political idea hat there should be a jewish state in Palestine.

'These are by and large the same Zionists who control the system of finance capitalism, who run mass media companies & direct national governments. '

You onl have to change one word and this would sound like exact extract from the protocols of the elders of zion

[Moskitto]

a large number of fundamentalist Jews are opposed to the existance of Israel because they believe that God took Israel from the Jews.

[Guest1]

Let me say, as a Palestinian, you're scaring me here, authoritarian. Zionism is a national political ideology, like any other. It is in no way an intrinsic part of capitalism, and there is no global conspiracy. While the Bush Cabal may enjoy a close relationship to the government of Israel, they also enjoy a close relationship with Britain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Australia and many other countries. Their actions may then be influenced by considerations for their many allies. However, make no mistake, this war was bigger than Israel.

I fear your hatred blinds you.

Furthermore, your talk of perfect evolution is very reminiscent of certain groups with no respect for human brotherhood. I would suggest that your ideas have been tainted by a hatred for equality. Millions died and continue to die as a result of such ideas, In Germany, Israel, America, South Africa, Iraq.

Hypocrasy is not a pretty thing.

(Edited by Che y Marijuana at 6:24 pm on May 4, 2003)

[T Blair]

Upheaval!

You farcical, drug addicted, despondent little gentile. To scapegoat Zionism as the catalyst for your knee-jerk, daft, unfounded, idle squawking, lily-livered left-wing/Aryan nation’s propaganda is sooooooooooooooo 1940’s! blitzkrieg? Ha, you daft prune…are all of these ingenious nazi insinuations and wonderfully rhetorical speculations divulged in your recent, best selling book “Himmler on the Roof?”

Fucking Goyim!
Nazi Rat Fuck!

[Umoja]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

Good site, and very imformative.

[Nick Yves]

I always thought Zionism was just a form of religion. Can someone explaint to me who it is a political ideology and what their political beliefs are? Thanks.

[Guest1]

read that link for more info.

Basically, it is a national movement with legitimate roots that sought to give Jews a homeland after the Holocaust. This ideology does not represent all Jews in any way, and is not necessarily wrong or bad in any way. It is a national movement like any other. Unfortunately, the manifestation of Zionism we see today in the form of the Israeli government is one that is racist and oppressive. As do most nationalist movements become.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Che y Marijuana on 11:19 pm on May 4, 2003
Let me say, as a Palestinian, you're scaring me here, authoritarian. Zionism is a national political ideology, like any other. It is in no way an intrinsic part of capitalism, and there is no global conspiracy.

Jews (not all of them, of course) have historically been involved in money-lending, which led to usury capitalism. Even today Jews are hugely over-represented in finance & industry particularly in america. Just look at the Fortune 100 magazine and you will see.


While the Bush Cabal may enjoy a close relationship to the government of Israel, they also enjoy a close relationship with Britain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Australia and many other countries. Their actions may then be influenced by considerations for their many allies. However, make no mistake, this war was bigger than Israel.

Israel gets by far more aid from US than any other country. The second-biggest recipient of foreign aid, Egypt, is paid off to stop it from attacking israel.

I think the war is primarily a stage in the emerging US Empire/New world order, but the choice of target is very much to do with the israelis.

I fear your hatred blinds you.

I don't deliberately try and hate. I just try to learn the truth. Have you ever noticed, it is taboo to criticise Jews in the west? Why do you think this is?

Furthermore, your talk of perfect evolution is very reminiscent of certain groups with no respect for human brotherhood. I would suggest that your ideas have been tainted by a hatred for equality. Millions died and continue to die as a result of such ideas, In Germany, Israel, America, South Africa, Iraq.

The evolution and advancement of the Human Race is an absolute necessity in my opinion, if we are not to regress into a backward primitive state. That doesn't mean i support ethnic cleansing as you suggested.

I'm not anti-zionism in the sense that i oppose a jewish national movement. On the contrary, i strongly support the right of any people to a soverign homeland.

I don't think i'm antisemitic, because i don't hate jews for being jews. However, i find certain aspects of judaism & jewish racialism to be extremely harmful to world harmony.




(Edited by Totalitarian at 10:25 am on May 5, 2003)

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from T Blair on 1:29 am on May 5, 2003
Upheaval!

You farcical, drug addicted, despondent little gentile. To scapegoat Zionism as the catalyst for your knee-jerk, daft, unfounded, idle squawking, lily-livered left-wing/Aryan nation’s propaganda is sooooooooooooooo 1940’s! blitzkrieg? Ha, you daft prune…are all of these ingenious nazi insinuations and wonderfully rhetorical speculations divulged in your recent, best selling book “Himmler on the Roof?”

Fucking Goyim!
Nazi Rat Fuck!



This guy is insulting all of us with his racial insults against goyim (who happen to make up about 99.99% of the human population).

[Reuben]

Jews (not all of them, of course) have historically been involved in money-lending, which led to usury capitalism.

This might be because for hunreds of years in central and eastern europe jews were legally and otherwise stopped from doing any jobs other than tax collection and money lending.

Today in the est Jews, like a number of immigrant groups tend (generally) to be succesful in the professional and academic field. This is reflected in part by their over-representation at the top of industry and economics, but it is also reflected by their over representation in the fields of science and medicine. There is no more reason to attack jews collectively for the prevelance of some jews at the top of capitalism then their is to collectively praise jews for their role in scientific advancement and the fact that they have been historically over-represented in the socialist movement. I of course would suggest neither of these. I, like the non-racists who make up %99 of che-lives, do not see ethnic groups as a homogeneous mass and thus would neither attack an ethnic group or praise an ethnic grop collectively.

I don't think i'm antisemitic, because i don't hate jews for being jews

This comment is a non-sequita. If you went to most racist organisations in Britain or America they would not tell you 'we hate blacks because they are black'. Instead they would justify their hatred by attaching a set of negative characteristics to the ethnic group in question. Either way they would be attacking an ethnic group as a whole.

Israel gets by far more aid from US than any other country. The second-biggest recipient of foreign aid, Egypt, is paid off to stop it from attacking israel.

Interestingly one country that get loads and loads of aid is Taiwan. Maybe it is because of that nasty evil taiwanese world government ;)

[革命者]

Totalitarian and Tony.. please look/google up what blitzkrieg means.. it's an tactic to overwhelm the opponent before it can fully resist, it's used in WW2 and i am glad it was done rather than the battlefields of WW1-- 'cause violant resistence, while often fighting for a justified cause and sometimes, as in WW2, by justified means, is the biggest killer on this louzy planet, except for hunger deaths in the Third World.

if we ever want to start a resistence from within, like in WW2, altough America and England have helped us there, which i still appreciate greatly.We should think twice before even giving a hint of organizing this, bexause the US government will, in it's present state, do anything to stop us and take away our right to start conferences, meetings and to have freedom of speech(getting off topic now.. what was this thread about anyways.. o yeah, Jews, great ppl, love them, often very social, but afraid of socialism often.. that's probably because the Koran is largely about socialism and they make a mess of it in the muslim Arab world, o so they think-- like Iraq, imo, largely due to the lack of any democracy possible in the "socialist" governments there, like in Iraq, with the Ba'ath party and his christian leaders Saddam Hussein and the foreign minister whom's name has slipped my mind.

[革命者]

btw altough the Tora is focused on democracy, i think there is a lot of socialism in it as well.

[革命者]

Quote: from Reuben on 12:31 pm on May 5, 2003
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Interestingly one country that get loads and loads of aid is Taiwan. Maybe it is because of that nasty evil taiwanese world government ;)

well, evil.. not, bad really-- they're propagating alot about capitalism and that's just stupid.

but then again there are worse ppl than libertarians,

..like Totalitarian.

[MarxIsGod]

Quote: from Scotty on 6:56 am on May 5, 2003
btw altough the Tora is focused on democracy, i think there is a lot of socialism in it as well.


In addition to the Torah, the Kibbutzes -- which are small, self-contained Jewish settlements -- are very much Communist/Socialist. I'll try to post a link with more info and if anyone else has info about kibbutzim (that's the plural in Hebrew), it would be great if they could post it.
:biggrin:

[MarxIsGod]

http://www.solbaram.org/articles/kibbut.html

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Society_&...re/kibbutz.html (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/kibbutz.html)

Both are certainly opinionated reports, but they contain a wealth of factual information about a typical kibbutz. All the "unbiased" sources were, unfortunately, not as in-depth.

[T Blair]

Quote: from Scotty on 12:51 pm on May 5, 2003
Totalitarian and Tony.. please look/google up what blitzkrieg means..

I am perfectly aware of what the term implies. Obviously it was a successful military tactic used by the scumbag Nazis which lead to the ultimate occupation of over 90 percent of continental Europe and helped tremendously in Hitler’s “final solution.” You see, by the time ww2 had started a very seldom amount of Jews still resided in Germany, therefore, with the help of the blitz, Germany decided to invade and occupy practically every other country in Europe where there were an ample amount of Jews to exterminate. Please don’t associate the blitz with minimal death tolls…the six million Jews; from places like Poland and Belgium…etc that were killed in the Holocaust, because there homelands were occupied and they were rounded up and sent to the extermination camps would strongly disagree. You Nazi schmuck.

[Show me the Money]

Quote: from MarxIsGod on 7:59 pm on May 5, 2003

Quote: from Scotty on 6:56 am on May 5, 2003
btw altough the Tora is focused on democracy, i think there is a lot of socialism in it as well.


In addition to the Torah, the Kibbutzes -- which are small, self-contained Jewish settlements -- are very much Communist/Socialist.(..)
my thought exactly!

:cool:

[Show me the Money]

posting for Scotty:

T Blair:

i don't deny the holocaust.. it's was the worst rascist act the world has ever seen and hopefully never will see again-- i just say you can better have a blitzkrieg then battlefields as in WW1.. what if 50m had died in such a war and the allies would have lost lost the battle.. thanks for war tactics used by both the Germans and allies in the war, but you can't compare anything about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with a blitzkrieg.. it's more distrust and segregation by the Sharon coalition-- "Apartheid" ... that it originates from South-Africa makes no difference.. it's still evil-- the blitzkrieg is used by the Germans and Americans in WW2, as i see it, and is a tool for good or for evil.. but many European countries wouldn't have a change if they resisted the German aggresion-- they would've been slaughtered.