Russians want Soviet Union back?

[Drace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-vYM5Yrrlk

I think somewhere in there it mentions "The majority"

[Herman]

Nostalgia is a strong emotion, one that communist parties in Russia could use.

[Cohacq]

they said that, but the Communist Party is just about the nostalgia, and not for the future. [all thats from the clip, so dont misunderstand me]

[Q]

Nostalgia is not a strong emotion at all. I doubt workers were nostalgic to the tsar after the revolution... The fact is that the fall of Stalinism was an enormous and dramatic setback for working class people. Despite its totalitarian character, the USSR still had an extensive welfare state and social services, anything far beyond the capabilities of western capitalism. The "shock therapy" back into capitalism was an utter catastrophe. So is it strange people long back to a time when there were still certainties in life?

But as said the CP is completely incapable of putting a way forward, it is a mere shadow of its past and that already was a charicature. A new mass workers party, based on the best traditions of Marxism - struggling for daily improvements and putting forward an alternative, is needed.

[Robespierre2.0]

It's been over 50 years since socialism died in the USSR. Odds are that a lot of the people who are nostalgic for it and want it back feel that way for the wrong reason- national chauvinism, admiring the USSR for the power it wielded rather than the politics behind it.

[Glenn Beck]

It's been over 50 years since socialism died in the USSR. Odds are that a lot of the people who are nostalgic for it and want it back feel that way for the wrong reason- national chauvinism, admiring the USSR for the power it wielded rather than the politics behind it.

I would imagine that that is so, but surely its tied into all sorts of better reasons, like the higher standard of living for the majority and a disillusionment with the incredibly corrupt and shallow "democracy" that has replaced the old system. It seems that Russia has every reason to be disillusioned with capitalism and "democracy", seeing as both have failed to deliver anything remotely like what they promised. What remains to be seen is whether the alternative they choose is socialism or an equally dead end right-wing populism.

[Bear MacMillan]

Nostalgia is not a strong emotion at all. I doubt workers were nostalgic to the tsar after the revolution... The fact is that the fall of Stalinism was an enormous and dramatic setback for working class people. Despite its totalitarian character, the USSR still had an extensive welfare state and social services, anything far beyond the capabilities of western capitalism. The "shock therapy" back into capitalism was an utter catastrophe. So is it strange people long back to a time when there were still certainties in life?

But as said the CP is completely incapable of putting a way forward, it is a mere shadow of its past and that already was a charicature. A new mass workers party, based on the best traditions of Marxism - struggling for daily improvements and putting forward an alternative, is needed.

This. The USSR's socialist economy did a fuck of a lot more than Russia's new capitalist system ever will. Even under Stalin, everybody had the right to employment, and because of that the USSR wasn't devastated by things like the Great Depression. It's quite obvious the people in Russia have witnessed the benefits of a planned economy first hand and want it back, and we should strive for a socialist economy based on the teachings of Marx.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Capitalism has utterly destroyed Russia, so it's not wonder Communism is popular again. I like that Victor dude:cool:.

[miranda75]

might be you are right is just nostalgia,
but try to explain for this fact for those people who has no money even for food, which is common in eastern europe.

[Drace]

Well it said that there were those that even voted against it but changed their mind. Hard to believe its just emotions...

[Trystan]

The Communist Party has a pretty big following. But it's mostly among the old and I don't think that they're really interested in actual communism, or actual workers' control. More like a return to the cold war days.

Plus they wanted Stalin to become a recognised saint, lol.

[Sendo]

it's probably for every reason people have mentioned. I'm sure people have different reasons. The polls don't distinguish between Russian nationalists, old fogies, Leninists, Stalinists, or other anti-capitalists.

[Black Sheep]

The guy in the video is exactly what i would expect of a cappie propaganda puppet.
Using words like "i consider myself a soldier in the revolutionary struggle and i must do what has to be done" is exactly what i would anticipate from a religious fundie or something.

fucking cappies.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

If unemployment sky rocketed, real wages fell 80%, life expectancy plummeted, etc., in the few years since the system that previously existed in your country crumbled, you'd want it back too.

[bretty]

The guy in the video is exactly what i would expect of a cappie propaganda puppet.
Using words like "i consider myself a soldier in the revolutionary struggle and i must do what has to be done" is exactly what i would anticipate from a religious fundie or something.

fucking cappies.

What do you mean? How is he a capitalist?

[KurtFF8]

If unemployment sky rocketed, real wages fell 80%, life expectancy plummeted, etc., in the few years since the system that previously existed in your country crumbled, you'd want it back too.

Exactly. Perhaps not all who are calling on the reestablishment of the USSR want true socialism. But the fact that there is a sizable section of the country that does want it restored shows how Russia was better off even during what most socialist would call a very deformed socialist state.

A new USSR would unlikely look like the USSR from the late 60s on anyway, as that was the period of stagnation that eventually lead to Gorbachev. Now obviously there are various different Marxian theories of when the USSR "gave up socialism" but we can all agree I think that not many see the end of the USSR as the best time for that country and the people probably want something better than that.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

All power to them, if they can create a system that is not inbred with corruption by interjecting more democracy into their system and promoting liberties.

[Black Sheep]

What do you mean? How is he a capitalist?

All i meant was that a person with a poor knowledge of communism, if he hears that guy talking, he will be like 'communism is a religious cult' or something.

gah,anyway

[Sankofa]

If unemployment sky rocketed, real wages fell 80%, life expectancy plummeted, etc., in the few years since the system that previously existed in your country crumbled, you'd want it back too.

Indeed! It's a shame what Russia's become these days. Blind nazism, xenophobia, and racism have become huge due to the current situation.

And we all know it's easier to scapegoat your problems a certain group of people (in this case, foreigners or non-whites in general) than to look at your problems objectively.

[spice756]

I have seen post like this over and over !! Some want the USSR back and some do not.

Who really knows how many want the USSR back?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Well in Hungary a poll was done. Turns out a majority there think life was better under "communism": http://powr-prm.org/hungarypresocialism.html

[spice756]

I have seen post like this over and over !! Some want the USSR back and some do not.

Who really knows how many want the USSR back?


Well in Hungary a poll was done. Turns out a majority there think life was better under "communism": http://powr-prm.org/hungarypresocialism.html


Hungary is not part of Russia any more.I will like to see a poll done in Russia .

[Comrade_Red]

i'm sure he wasn't implying that Hungary was a part of Russia.
That is interesting and relevant to the discussion, seeing as Hungary was once an SSR.

[Drace]

http://powr-prm.org/hungarypresocialism.html:




In the survey, 62 percent of the 1,000 people questioned said they were happiest before "communism" was replaced by capitalism. The number of respondents who thought that period was the worst in the country's history was only 13 percent. A measly 11 percent said they thought the period before World War II was best.

Only a 1000?

[ev]

Who cares what statistics say, we all know life was better under that pseudo-communism, that is fact.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Of course. But don't expect liberals who bemoan "human rights abuses" in places like the USSR to mention that life expectancy has plummeted since the fall of the USSR, or that women who were once scientists and doctors are now forced to be prostitutes en masse.


Only a 1000?

It's a pretty common number for opinion polls of all varieties.