military? - anyone?

[Dirty Jersey]

are any of you current military? or former military? or planning to join the military? i know many of you will frown on this but i was in the us army. i got out about a year ago. anyway i just wanted to know if anyone had anything to do with the military? are you guys against or for military service?

[革命者]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=13&topic=747 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=747)

[suffianr]

No thanks. My dad's a Vet. I grew up with the Goddamn army.

I've fired live ammunition (MP5-SD, M4 & Browning pistols), I can navigate with a compass and I've even been taught the essentials of E & E. And I can dig good long drops, too. That's good enough for me. :)

[YAY CAPITALISM]

I will be going to the RAAF as soon as I do my Engineering Degree.

You see, thats the difference between (most) Capitalists and Commies.

We have goals, objectives. We don't want to be sitting around all day smoking weed wearing a 'Die Yuppie Scum' shirt.

[truthaddict11]

i assure you "YAY CAPITALISM" that us communists dont sit around and smoke weed all day and wear "Die Yuppie Scum" shirts. So dont think of anyone here as lazy and have no goals.

[革命者]

in Holland Yuppies smoke as much or more weed than the next person.. little stressed drug-addicts really.

[lostsoul]

i won't want to help my nation or any other nations imperialis goals, i doubt i will ever join the army full time. But I would want to protect my country, so i will probally join the reservers. (what i heard is reverses are only for the purpose of protecting the army, while the fulltimers are used for missions outside the country).

[redstar2000]

Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:

[Anonymous]

Just think of the military as a career.

[hazard]

thinking of the military as a career is like thinking of suicide as a life decision

[Palmares]

Quote: from hazard on 12:39 pm on May 6, 2003
thinking of the military as a career is like thinking of suicide as a life decision

Can't disagree there.

Joining the military is patriotic bullshit (if it isn't, then it will be eventually).

[B] FUCK "PRO PATRIA"

[lostsoul]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


I wanted to join for 2 major reasons.
1) I was born and rised in my country, and if anything were to happen i would want to defend it against any other countries army.
2) i want to understand how militaries work, i read alot about it, but in depth research. Maybe one day i will have to go against one, i don't know.

i know it sounds fucked up, but i think i could join for a short period of time and leave. Since by then i will basically be in military shape(not fitness..i already work out alot..i mean have skills to survive and stuff), and i will also understand how they work.

i just hope that my views are strong enough not to be broken by simple military training.

(Edited by lostsoul at 3:29 am on May 6, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Join. It'll be good for you.

[Zelena Hracka]

Military service is compulsory in Greece and in Bulgaria.Therefore, given that I have both greek and bulgarian citizenship I have to serve the military twice. 16 months in Greece ans 12 in Bulgaria.

How SHIT is that?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


LOL RS2000 shows his usual complete ignorance of the Military.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

Back up this crazy comment find me one official government document which says this. As in the rules of engagment it specifically states that there are restrictions on what the military can or cannot do.

Please research you shit first.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Zelena Hracka on 2:45 pm on May 6, 2003
Military service is compulsory in Greece and in Bulgaria.Therefore, given that I have both greek and bulgarian citizenship I have to serve the military twice. 16 months in Greece ans 12 in Bulgaria.

How SHIT is that?


Is there any way to renounce citizenship?

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:56 pm on May 6, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


LOL RS2000 shows his usual complete ignorance of the Military.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

Back up this crazy comment find me one official government document which says this. As in the rules of engagment it specifically states that there are restrictions on what the military can or cannot do.

Please research you shit first.


actually AK the milatary has been used to put down strikers draft protesters, and break into people house for the grand crime of growing marijuana in the United States. And it has been used to put down rebellions in other countries.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from AK47 on 12:56 am on May 7, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


LOL RS2000 shows his usual complete ignorance of the Military.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

Back up this crazy comment find me one official government document which says this. As in the rules of engagment it specifically states that there are restrictions on what the military can or cannot do.

Please research you shit first.



So I guess shooting and killing unarmed student protesters at Kent State came under the heading "Rules of Engagement"?

Here in the US the foundation of induction is "to protect against all enemies...foreign and domestic"

That's pretty broad wouldn't you say?

[CubanFox]

Especially when the 'enemy' tends to change very frequently...

[lostsoul]

i personally think this only applies to americian or americian backed armies. Most military people i have seen do have strict rules on engagment.

I'm from Canada, its basically training and peacekeeping. i doubt that i will have to put down citezens for protesting, but if it comes to that case i am more then glad to say no and go to jail.

Only think fucked with the army, in my opinion, is they brainwash you. I hope i am strong enough to not get brain washed.

i am only doing it to understand and stay in "military fit" shape in case anything happens with the country then i can re-join and won't have to re-train and be able to help out immediently.

[RedCeltic]

I served four years in the US Navy. I am not, nor have ever been a Patriotic person, and was not motivated to joining by any way, shape or form to serve and protect my countery. I joined for all the wrong reasons, and was not happy with my choice while I was in. I'm lucky that for the most part I served during peace time and was not called upon to fight anywere.

I just joined because I was sort of depressed about my situation at the time and dreamed of seeing the world. There are better ways of doing that I realize now. :(

I have always been a hard worker, and I knew my job when I was in (pipe fitter/welder/plumber/fire-fighter). If I was in a civilian job I would have made rate fast, and stayed in for life. However, my anti-athoriterian nature caused me some problems and I was lucky to get out after four years as a second class petty officer. (E-4)

I noticed while I was in, that most people who were in, were in for only 2-4 years, and only using the service for education, or get away from things for awile. People also tended to be apolitical or to the left at lower grades, while "Life-ers" tended to become more "pro-militery" and conservitive.

Don't get me wrong, peacetime is not a bad period to serve and take advantage of some of the benifits you can get out of it. These days I wouldn't even consider going in at all. This administration has a good chance of getting back in for another four years, and even more of a chance of starting yet another conflict. :(

[Dirty Jersey]

hey redceltic when did you get out bro? does the navy have the 4 year dod contract too? that thing is a *****. i got in to be trained in a skill and get money for college. now i get around 4k a month and the government has dumped thousands of dollars into my education. i fucked the system and got paid in the process. i got to travel a bit too. hooray for me.

[YAY CAPITALISM]

Thats really something to be proud of. Well done.

I hope your not the kind of person that says "we need more money for Hospitals" because that money "poured into you" could have gone some other place.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 9:58 pm on May 6, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 12:56 am on May 7, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


LOL RS2000 shows his usual complete ignorance of the Military.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

Back up this crazy comment find me one official government document which says this. As in the rules of engagment it specifically states that there are restrictions on what the military can or cannot do.

Please research you shit first.



So I guess shooting and killing unarmed student protesters at Kent State came under the heading "Rules of Engagement"?

Here in the US the foundation of induction is "to protect against all enemies...foreign and domestic"

That's pretty broad wouldn't you say?


Well i dont know about the US, however in the UK the only major military masacre i can think of, those soldures are now being put on trail.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from AK47 on 5:45 pm on May 7, 2003

Quote: from Disgustapated on 9:58 pm on May 6, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 12:56 am on May 7, 2003

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:59 pm on May 5, 2003
Lostsoul, you will indeed earn your username if you join the reserves. Reserves can be "mobilized" by the government at any time for any reason.

You can be used to put down a strike or rebellion within your own country; you can be used to invade and occupy another country.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:


LOL RS2000 shows his usual complete ignorance of the Military.

Once you sign up with those bastards, they can use you any way they want.

Back up this crazy comment find me one official government document which says this. As in the rules of engagment it specifically states that there are restrictions on what the military can or cannot do.

Please research you shit first.



So I guess shooting and killing unarmed student protesters at Kent State came under the heading "Rules of Engagement"?

Here in the US the foundation of induction is "to protect against all enemies...foreign and domestic"

That's pretty broad wouldn't you say?


Well i dont know about the US, however in the UK the only major military masacre i can think of, those soldures are now being put on trail.

but what happens to them? i forgot the guys name, but in india, there was a british general who shot at a protest and killed many many people, and yet he never did one day in jail.

fuck the british military. but I guess, they did get punished in the end, but not by jail. By Germany.

[Dirty Jersey]

actually yay capitalism i work in a hospital. so technically that money was well spent.

[redstar2000]

"I wanted to join for 2 major reasons.
1) I was born and rised in my country, and if anything were to happen i would want to defend it against any other countries army.
2) i want to understand how militaries work, i read alot about it, but in depth research. Maybe one day i will have to go against one, i don't know.

i know it sounds fucked up..." -- lostsoul

Why do you want to defend Canada against the armies of other countries? The fact that you were born and grew up there is an accident of history.

As is Canada itself...and all nations. Not only is there nothing "sacred" or "inevitable" about any particular nation, it can be seen historically how it came into existence, who benefited from its construction and who got screwed, what mythologies were invented to "justify" it, etc.

Fighting for "your" country makes no more sense than fighting for "your" corporation.

As to learning combat skills, lostsoul, I can't help but wonder why you need that knowledge? A real communist revolution is actually an enormous upsurge by a majority, even a huge majority, of the working class (think February 1917 in Petrograd)...it's not a case, at least for more than a few hours or a few days, of military combat.

Of course, people have different interests and if you feel really compelled to learn this stuff, the books are out there and you can certainly train yourself in the basics. You can even purchase a rifle suitable for combat use...I think they cost around U.S.$1,200.

But I would discourage that interest on your part if I could. It's unlikely to be of much use in a real revolutionary situation...and, I think, encourages "nutball deviations"...let's go off into the hills and shoot at people like Che did.

You admit that "it sounds fucked up"...that's because it is fucked up.

DON'T DO IT!

:cool:

PS: about "peacekeepers": despite the innocuous name, are such forces not actually surrogate occupation troops for U.S. imperialism? Why should people from Canada, Denmark, etc. have to take the flack for U.S. domination of occupied countries?

PPS: for Zelena: is there a country fairly nearby that you can go and live in and that will not care if you ever did military service in Greece or Bulgaria? If so, you should move there as soon as you can.

Failing that, you need to convince the military authorities in both countries that you are "undesirable material". What I did back when the U.S. still had military conscription, was convince the army that I was a fire-breathing, rabid, communist trouble-maker...and, surprise, they decided to pass me up "for the good of the service." You'll need to do something like this unless you're willing to surrender a big chunk of your youth to those bloodsucking bastards.

[dopediana]

Quote: from YAY CAPITALISM on 12:26 pm on May 7, 2003
Thats really something to be proud of. Well done.

I hope your not the kind of person that says "we need more money for Hospitals" because that money "poured into you" could have gone some other place.


some people use the army for college money. and who knows, they could end up being doctors anyway. still, i don't advocate joining the army anyway.

it may be necessary, but it's definitely an oxymoron to serve in a military dictatorship to protect a democracy. but the usa isn't a true democracy.

and on another note, baby, just wait till you're at the bottom of the capitalist hierarchy and end up having butt sex with truckers just to make a living. but then you're just a perfect example of capitalism. you take advantage of natural resources to make a living.

the last remark was probably uncalled for but i don't give a flipping fuck.