I need convincing - about communism

[Hate Is Art]

I am an anti-imperialist and an anti-capitilist but i need some convincing on communism. I posted here because i want both sides of the debate. Please no cappie trash, commie bastard talk. Ja. Thank You in advance.

Luke

[ComradeJunichi]

You don't need convincing. You say you want both sides of the debate, but you "want convincing". That's a contradiction.

I think what you need is studying and motivation to search on your own.

[Hate Is Art]

ok i want convincing about communism but id be a fool to be a commie with studing any cappie stuff or hearing their side of the debate? understand?

[ComradeJunichi]

What? You wouldn't feel like a fool because you're not a communist. What's wrong with studying capitalist material?

[Ymir]

Communists have a cool logo.

Communist Countries have never invaded another country without provocation. (Unlike Capitalist nations)

Einstein was a communist.

Communism works for the good of everyone; if a recession hits the Communist leaders actually take responsibility and try to fix the situation.

A Communist country, Russia, was the first to send men into Space.

When the West collapses, who do you think is taking power?

Last but not least, You get to call everyone comrade.


(Edited by Ymir at 2:28 am on May 1, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Communists have a cool logo.

Ok. I'll give you that.

"Communist Countries have never invaded another country without provocation. (Unlike Capitalist nations)"

Afgahnistan, South Korea, South Vietnam, Combodia etc.

Einstein was a communist.

Einstein was a socialist.

Communism works for the good of everyone;

By sacrificing the individual half of the time.

A Communist country, Russia, was the first to send men into Space.

But not to the moon.

When the West collapses, who do you think is taking power?

Definately not you guys.

Last but not least, You get to call everyone comrade.

I hate that word. "Friend" or "buddy" will suffice.

[hazard]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 2:36 pm on May 1, 2003
Communists have a cool logo.

Ok. I'll give you that.

"Communist Countries have never invaded another country without provocation. (Unlike Capitalist nations)"

Afgahnistan, South Korea, South Vietnam, Combodia etc.

Einstein was a communist.

Einstein was a socialist.

Communism works for the good of everyone;

By sacrificing the individual half of the time.

A Communist country, Russia, was the first to send men into Space.

But not to the moon.

When the West collapses, who do you think is taking power?

Definately not you guys.

Last but not least, You get to call everyone comrade.

I hate that word. "Friend" or "buddy" will suffice.


in order:

you HAVE to give us that

key word is provocation. and oh yeah, all those countries were invaded by capitalists FIRST.

socialist means communist. like bud and bud light, to use language you'll understand

moon? what about mars? what about jupiter? nobody has been to the moon, and if anyone had been, what makes you think it was a pig? oh yeah, TV told you. stupid me.

u'd prefer you and your nazi buddies, I'm sure

speaking of buddy, what you meant was BUM BUDDY

[Harmless Games]

Vmir that was the most unintelligent post i have ever seen. If you are a Socialist because you liike he "Logo" and get to call everyone comrade you are not a true socialist. Communist countries have invaded other countries, but so have capitalist countries. The Communist system has just as many dirty secrets as their cappie counterparts, but what makes Socialism/Communism so great is that it has the ability to be a true Utopia on earth. A powerful and fair goverment combined with all the pride of the working class who for once arent cutting each others throats for a pay raise, for once the working class can rise with dignity and stop scrambling around trying to eat the crumbs the rich throw to keep us distracted from the true goal at hand. Sooner or later every capitalist will realize that Capitalism creates problems it cannot solve (the rich want to squeeze every dollar out of their buisness so they cut pay and take more and more for themselves, until the people producing the cars/cloaths/food can no longer even buy what they produce and so the country plummets into a depression with no money changing hands) The only way out of this cycle is Communism, the sharing of all goods in a communal living. So while yes there have been no successful Communist states, some have gotten closer and closer to the core concept of selfelessness ( The Cuban healthcare system for example). But this is where the great part of Communism comes in, we may be the generation to break this bind between the Capitalist 1% holding all the wealth, and their blind labour lap dogs. Join the Revolution! Change is Inevitable

[Ymir]

Dark Capitalist,

Afghanistan had some border conflicts with the USSR, as the USA hoped it would, and the USSR had to defend itself.

Korea & Vietnam...didn't they have alot of Communist supporters? In the name of internationalism, China had to aid the foreign Communists.

Cambodia had its own Communist movement (although it was a VERY odd version of "Communism") Also the Vietnamese had been sneaking through Cambodia into enemy territory and the USA proceeded to ATTACK them while they were in Cambodia.

http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein.htm
The FBI says Einstein was a Communist.

Harmless Games,
I gave Digital Nirvana some reasons why to be a Communist by appealing to individual perks. Because we march under the Hammer and Sickle, does it mean we can not enjoy its aesthetic appeal? Because I enjoy the unity of calling fellow Communists "Comrade" does not make it a genuine sign of affection?

[Harmless Games]

Ymir,

Now that you have explained yourself i feel much betgter about it, but for one you should not list subjective reasons for becoming a Communist.

For example, he could just as well think that the American flag looked cooler and therefore by your rational he would be inclined to become a capitalist for that very reason, or possibly he might enjoy calling people "Sir" in which case he would also be inclined to become a cappie, well I appreciate your points, and while brotherhood is certainly a large part of Communist pride i would like it all the same if you convinced newcomers with facts rather than subjective and oppinionated points. ~Comrade Nikolas

[Totalitarian]

In my opinion, the Human Race should work as a single organism. I guess that makes me a Communist.

I dislike the concept of class warfare. Humans are naturally gifted at different things, so some form of caste is a necessity. Not only are people different in the type of work they can do but the genders & sub-races are different.

Humanity needs a revolutionary movement that unites the species, instead of dividing us by useless movements like "class war" or "destruction of the white race".

THIS PLANET IS OURS!

[Sabocat]

Quote: from hazard on 7:41 am on May 1, 2003
[quote]Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 2:36 pm on May 1, 2003
Communists have a cool logo.

you HAVE to give us that

key word is provocation. and oh yeah, all those countries were invaded by capitalists FIRST.

socialist means communist. like bud and bud light, to use language you'll understand

moon? what about mars? what about jupiter? nobody has been to the moon, and if anyone had been, what makes you think it was a pig? oh yeah, TV told you. stupid me.

u'd prefer you and your nazi buddies, I'm sure

speaking of buddy, what you meant was BUM BUDDY



Hazard, are you saying you don't think anyone has been to the moon? What are your reasons for this thought? I'd like to hear. I'm curious.

[Hate Is Art]

O.K. I don't think everyone understood my last post - I am asking for pro's and con's of communism and capitilism. Also, just because everyone saw it on TV doesn't mean it actually happened.

[Comrade Gorley]

I agree, the moon landing was staged, because the States wanted to beat Russia to the moon, so they would have SOMETHING to boast over them (to make up for their inferior government system and inner loyalty). Of course Russia was first to the moon but it went unrecognized because of the moon landing. Notice how Neil Armstrong's step on the moon was very dramatic and memorable so that it would be imbedded in everyone's memory, so that everything that Russia did later would pale in comparison.

Anyone who thinks "comrade" is annoying can go to Hell. http://humferier.free.fr/sad/b_hot.gif It shows TRUE equality, because now everyone is equally cool (since they all use a cool phrase). And I'll take it over "wassup" anyday.

Whoever made up "wassup" can go to Hell too, along with whoever says it. http://humferier.free.fr/sad/b_hotgreen.gif


(Edited by Comrade Gorley at 8:29 pm on May 3, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Here's a good debunking of the moon hoax. (http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm)

Better yet, here's something straight from NASA. (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm)

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 6:53 pm on May 2, 2003)

[BorgHunter]

Here's another moon hoax debunking: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

(Edited by BorgHunter at 8:26 pm on May 2, 2003)

[MarxIsGod]

In regards to whether or not the Apollo Moon Landing actually occurred, the truth is that it does not matter. The only thing that matters is whether or not people believe it happened. Look at the U.S. judicial system. In a criminal case, you don't need to prove something happened, you simply need to convince 12 everyday people that it happened. With a civil case, all you need is "a preponderance of the evidence" which essentially means that in regards to a question of fact, whichever side has more reliable evidence is right. Although people use evidence to show that something really happened, all that matters is whether the evidence that we have is enough to convince people. Plato said all things are the shadows of ideas. For example, Plato would say that universe doesn't exist, all that exists are our ideas and beliefs about the universe.

:cool:

[Blibblob]

Um, Blib needs some help. Ymir, your FBI page on Einstein being a communist, a lot is shit. I saw enough proof for myself, but one person keeps pointing out discrepicancies(AH, big word, cannot spell). Any more websites on it? I'm about to loose all of my credibilty, and I've read through about 300 pages, and everything I state, theres a debunking for it, I don't have enough time for the rest of the 1,100. I need another good website...