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Black Sheep
19th October 2008, 16:04
1)I would like an anarchist's definition of the state,as detailed as possible.

Given the definition i will ask a question upon it,so please 'stay tuned'.

2)The definition of central planning and central economy.

3)A detailed explanation of the anarchists' alternative, decentralized planning of economy.

I will ask questions on your answers.
Please,no things such as 'people will do X', the end.

I want to make things crystal clear at last,so help me out.

thnx

graaaaaagh
19th October 2008, 16:23
1) According to Max Weber's influential observation, the state has a 'monopoly on the legitimate uses of force and violence in a given area'. 'Legitimate' meaning legally sanctioned; the state (police, courts, prisons, CIA, military, etc.) is the central authority deciding to use violence when someone disobeys the laws. In other words, 'do what we say or we'll shoot you'.

2) Central planning is a central state bureaucracy deciding where to allocate resources (planning the economy), hence the name 'central planning'.


3) There are several proposed anarchist economic systems. Here are a few:


Participatory economics - workers' and consumers' councils utilizing self-managerial methods for decision making, balanced job complexes, remuneration (pay) according to effort and sacrifice, and participatory planning.
Gift economy - Everyone gives and receives goods and resources they need/want without any formal expectation for payback/exchange.



Mutualism - A socialist market economy in which workers' co-operatives compete in a free market and each person might possess a means of production either individually or collectively, with trade representing equivalent amounts of labor.

By the way, I recently talked with you on YouTube about apatheism.

Black Sheep
20th October 2008, 14:38
Central planning according to Marxist-Leninists: The documentation of every area's needs, and organization of production to meet those needs.
How does that differ from the anarchists' perspective?!

Glad you joined graaaaagh :)

Annie K.
20th October 2008, 15:08
This definition of central planning leaves unexplained the 'central' half of the concept.

Black Sheep
20th October 2008, 17:48
It means that the economy is planned considering the needs of the whole country.
So one production plan is made that includes all the productive forces of the country, instead every productive unit deciding itself.
You may wish to call it 'statist' but it is the same one with anarchist communism!

Schrödinger's Cat
21st October 2008, 02:33
3)A detailed explanation of the anarchists' alternative, decentralized planning of economy.All these are accessible via Wikipedia:

Anarcho-communism: The workers utilize resources and plan the economy on a voluntary, bottom-up basis. There is neither a market nor wages. Distribution is according to "need." As a "replacement" for money, you would have energy accounting or something similar, which would assist in telling producers what is more sustainable/useful (generally).

Anarcho-collectivism: The workers utilize resources and plan the economy on a voluntary, bottom-up basis. There is not a market, but there are wages. Distribution is according to "labor contributions."

Mutualism: The workers utilize resources in a market economy through individual entrepreneurship and cooperatives.

Individualist Markets: If the land is being used and occupied, it can be "owned" and used in a market.

"Anarcho-"Capitalism: Not really anarchism, although it tries to lock into the individualist branch with absurd claims. You can own land just by protecting it. You can employ others even if you don't contribute labor. Property "rights" are exercised with such authority that I can kick you off my private island if you crash on the beach - even if you drown.

Primitivism: Living like it's 8000 BC. :D It's considered anarchism if you don't force others to live by this lifestyle.

And then there's some methods anarchists employ like...

Syndicalism, or action through trade unions and worker organizations via sit-ins, taking over the company, and protesting. Piracy, or utilizing the gift economy as a competitor against the state and market. Agorism, or participating in the black market and not paying taxes. Autonimism, or bringing about communism separate from the state by socializing, stealing equipment from your boss, protesting, and so on.